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- ZimbuTheMonkey, on 05/15/2009, -9/+131Way to go. Let's ***** up another couple's life for no good reason.
- inactive, on 05/14/2009, -6/+97"Tennessee does not permit same-sex marriage and does not recognize gender change even after sex reassignment surgery." That explains the problem right there.
- seattlegirluw, on 05/14/2009, -8/+91I wonder what, exactly, states can decide constitutes a woman. A vagina? Arguably one of the more important things to the partner who is marrying the person. The transgender woman has that, as well as breasts.
Is it a uterus? If so, there are women out there who wouldn't qualify-- since hysterectomies do happen, and some women are simply born without them. Ovaries? Sometimes women are born without those, as well, or have to have them removed.
I suppose some would say it's being born a woman. But what about hermaphrodites? There are rare occasions when both sets of genitals are formed equally, and it's impossible to tell which sex's attributes the child will inevitably take on at puberty. So what if the parents set the wrong gender on the birth certificate, and the child, at puberty, looks like a woman? Is that person not a woman just because her birth certificate says she was born a boy?
And some studies have shown that the brain activity/chemistry in a (pre-op, pre-hormone) transgender person is far more like that of the sex the person identifies with, rather than the sex listed on his/her birth certificate.
I wonder if there is a legitimate way to draw the line to delineate between men and women in legal terms. - AmyVernon, on 05/14/2009, -13/+69If this person actually had the surgery and has all the lady parts, I'm not sure how that makes her a man. Especially if even her birth certificate was legally changed.
- mksmothers, on 05/15/2009, -1/+49Let any adult marry one to many other adults. What's the big deal? How does it effect those against transgender or gay people if they are happy enough with someone to get married to them.
I'm a straight male who thinks male-gay sex is repulsive, but if it floats YOUR boat, have fun. - michelebot, on 05/15/2009, -4/+51What about people who are XXY? How about XYY? It happens.
There are also 16 different conditions that can make an XY person be born resembling female and vice versa. That's why the Olympic committee no longer does genetic tests.
You need to check your medical manuals. - Chakat, on 05/15/2009, -3/+45Taxes, ease of inheritance, insurance, adoption, etc, all of which are substantially easier with a legal marriage.
- Feener, on 05/15/2009, -4/+45What about people with Klinefelter's syndrome? They have XXY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndr ... - inactive, on 05/15/2009, -23/+61"I'm not gay"
I'm pretty sure if the penises touch they're gay.
FTA: "Rittenberry has breasts and male genitalia." - Tarkaan, on 05/15/2009, -3/+37Remember, many of these people still think Pi is 3.
- inactive, on 05/15/2009, -1/+34who cares, it's shouldn't be a government issue, anyway, just like Jesse Ventura said.
- QuirionDryad, on 05/15/2009, -3/+36*them or him/her would be fine. "it" is a person you know.
- kawaiirobo, on 05/15/2009, -4/+34Please not my state, please not my state,.... Goddammit it's my state.
- nepidae, on 05/15/2009, -6/+32sorry but anything not exactly male or exactly female doesn't fit in the world-view of the religious who want to control how everyone lives.
- inactive, on 05/15/2009, -3/+28 "Rittenberry has breasts and male genitalia."
lol like 99% of diggs userbase - CannedMango, on 05/15/2009, -2/+27"b...b...b..but somehow their marriage makes my life worse. Don't think! Just lynch!"
- hamface, on 05/15/2009, -9/+33Let's ***** up another couple's life for no good reason. Way to go.
- Origin415, on 05/15/2009, -1/+24Theres some syndrome where a person can have X and Y chromosomes but not produce enough testosterone at the right time so becomes physically a woman who probably wouldn't even know they had it unless they were tested for some reason, or tried to have children.
What is their legal status?
Or a chimera, where different organs can be composed of different people all working as a whole, normally occuring when the zygotes of twins combine together extremely early in development (siamese twins occur when they combine a bit later). Again, you wouldn't be able to tell unless you were tested for some reason. A chimera can be, in a very real sense, both genders, with fully developed organs of both kinds.
What is their legal status?
Seems much simpler to me to just let any person marry any person and call it a day :/ - darkstar949, on 05/15/2009, -1/+22@p106peppy - Actually, it's not as simple as that as there are some situations where a physiological female (e.g. able to reproduce as a woman) has an extra y chromosome present in her genetics.
- ShaneGentry, on 05/15/2009, -4/+25Republicans care about your right to be free from government control unless it comes to every social issue we currently have. Then they have a problem with freedom. That's why the Republican Party will continue to lose seats in Washington like it's a game of musical chairs for at least the next 2-4 years.
- askantik, on 05/15/2009, -3/+24Dude, you're pretty ***** to say you don't give a ***** about people "confused about whether they want to be male or female." Imagine if you spent the first 15 years of your life being a woman because your parents treated you like a woman because you were born with a vagina (spare me the sex jokes, just this once, for the sake of my example). Seriously, then imagine if no matter how hard you tried, you felt like a man. Or vice versa.
I'd imagine it'd be pretty ***** upsetting to have to go through something like that, what with how retarded most people in the world, especially in America, act towards "weird *****." Then you finally find someone who can love you despite your "weirdness," but the law tells you that you are not what you feel like inside-- they tell you what you really are, and so you can't get married. To me, it's even worse than not allowing gay people to get married because the government is trying to tell you that they know more about you than you do.
Edit: I just realized they'd already been married for a year and a half. It shouldn't matter to begin with-- but why the ***** does it matter now!?! - darkstar949, on 05/15/2009, -1/+22So what do you consider someone that has Tuner syndrome (single X chromosome) or Klinefelter's syndrome (XXY) then? Even though it is rare, there are more XX and XY when it comes to those chromosomes. Also, there are other situations where someone might be a woman from the stand point of reproduction, but have an extra Y chromosome.
- nickcommie, on 05/15/2009, -6/+26Okay. Then why do you, or anyone else, need or deserve a piece of paper more than anyone else does? Bigot.
- inactive, on 05/15/2009, -0/+20FTA: Rittenberry is being housed with men and was patted down by both male and female officers because Rittenberry has breasts and male genitalia.
- bsonline, on 05/15/2009, -2/+22I'm embarrassed to be from Tennessee. In any case, government should stay the ***** out of marriage, private gardening and sex lives. The first is religious, and couldn't be rescinded by someone else in any case. The second is spiritual, and keeps Frito Lay in business. The last... well, the last time it involved red tape we had a safe word.
- inactive, on 05/15/2009, -0/+20What about Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? They look, act, and feel completely feminine, despite being XX, due to inactive (insensitive) testosterone receptors.
- inactive, on 05/15/2009, -3/+23@rosebowl
Spoken like someone who truly doesn't understand immense variability and ambiguity in the mammalian genome. Buried. - spriggig, on 05/15/2009, -4/+23We have a black man for President. Can you imagine that happening in 1950? Slowly but surely bigotry is losing and rational minds are winning.
1. Sexuality is a continuum, gays on one end, bisexuals in the middle and straights on the other end, with all degrees in between.
2. Male minds can be in female bodies and visa-versa.
3. All that matters is that two people love each other and want to be married.
4. What's it matter to you, huh?
If nothing else, these sorts of stories help me update my block list. - allatti2d, on 05/15/2009, -1/+20commenter01:
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain **inalienable Rights**, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The phrase "pursuit of happiness" appeared in the 1967 U.S. Supreme Court case, Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)[3], which focused on an anti-miscegenation statute. Chief Justice Warren wrote: "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
If you want to argue about gender, then "all men" includes the lady in the story who was born a "male", so would this not apply in this case? - nickcommie, on 05/15/2009, -8/+26Gender identity and sexual orientation identity are different... "I'm pretty sure" that it's not gay when one of the partners has mixed genitalia and identifies as female.
- eanbowman, on 05/15/2009, -0/+17He can call himself the green tangerine from planet Mexico for all I care.
- Exedous, on 05/15/2009, -1/+17Wouldn't it be funny if a transgender man and a transgender women got married? I wonder if they would validate that marriage lmfao.
- CaptainPanda, on 05/15/2009, -2/+18Why is it politicians who decide who is a man or woman rather than scientists?
- nesagwa, on 05/15/2009, -8/+24You dont really understand how gender works, do you?
- spriggig, on 05/15/2009, -2/+17Let's keep it simple. Although it may be hard for you to accept, a female mind can be in a male body and visa-versa, this is called transgender.
In this case, Terri is a straight, female mind in a male body (she is transgender) and Jeff is a straight male mind in a male body.
While that's all true, all that really matters here is that they love each other and want to be married. - Chakat, on 05/15/2009, -3/+18Insurance is a hell of a lot easier when you can get on your spouse's plan. When I got onto my partner's insurance, it was as simple as putting my name and social security number down, regardless of my pre-existing conditions. Your actions are making it harder for two people to show and express their love for each other; how does society benefit from these two not being legally married?
- sugarazor, on 05/15/2009, -4/+19"Liberals always cry about how science should be invoked? Well there it is. Genetics. Doesn't get any more clear cut than that."
See, this is the problem with the far-right, you don't understand "science" but you like to throw it around when you think you have a point. You're ignoring all the science that backs up the idea that people can be born in the "wrong" body... that's me putting it layman's terms, but you get the point. These aren't people who just want to put on a different kind of underwear, they are people, some as early as they begin talking, who identify as the other gender. - UTKEngineer, on 05/15/2009, -2/+16"Montgomery Sheriff's Department spokesman Ted Denny told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Rittenberry is being housed with men and was patted down by both male and female officers because Rittenberry has breasts and male genitalia."
Ta DA!!! "She" doesn't have "all the lady parts."
I know the headline is shorter, but sometimes reading the article answers questions like these. - ShoujoKakumei, on 05/15/2009, -1/+15I wanted to post "In before people who don't understand the concept of being transgender" but I'm too late. :(
- Chakat, on 05/15/2009, -2/+16So couples who are infertile shouldn't be able to get married either, right? The options for transpeople who want to have kids are the same as for any other couple -- adoption, surrogacy, etc.
Furthermore, most cultures, even cultures like Islam, hell some mormon sects, etc, recognize that some people aren't born the same sex as their bodies. Are their cultures mocking marriage? - eir574, on 05/15/2009, -2/+15"And there are ways to consolidate your life without a marriage license, granted insurance may be an issue, but insurance is difficult and expensive for everyone- people that have had cancer or other diseases can't get insurance."
Show me which tax form they should fill out next year in order to file jointly. I know you've said you support equal rights for same sex unions by (and hopefully you feel no differently here), which is why I'm surprised to see you say that it's no big deal, and people can just consolidate their lives through other means. (And that they can put up with the things they can't do easily, like insurance, because other people have problems for totally unrelated reasons.)
To clarify what Chakat said, I think he probably was referring to getting on a plan that your spouse gets through his employer. There are far fewer barriers there than there are when you're getting private insurance. When a couple is married, they always have the option of insuring spouses and children through one partner's plan. Hence, only one partner needs to be employed by a company that provides health insurance in order to provide a plan for everyone that typically doesn't have (never has?) the drawbacks you mention about pre-existing conditions.
Saying that because some people have trouble getting insurance, then it's okay to throw obstacles in front of other people is ridiculous. - ZeroCubed, on 05/15/2009, -5/+18Gender is different than Sex. Gender is identity. Sex is genetic.
- ZoeBrain, on 05/15/2009, -1/+14So Miss Teen USA 1991 was a man by your definition.
Because like many women, those with Swyer syndrome or CAI syndrome, she has 46xy chromosomes.
Some have given birth.
In the name of all that is holy, please Google the word "Intersex". - fury420, on 05/15/2009, -0/+12how about hermaphrodites? those born with both sets, often one less developed... who often require surgery to become "women" ?
there is a grey area between the genders, it just does not get discussed much outside the medical community - allatti2d, on 05/15/2009, -5/+18Would you call a baby born with only one kidney "it"? If your child had a bigger-than-average nose, would you call your child "it"? Transgenders are not gay, are not deciding one day that they don't like the sex they are and decide it's time for a change. Transgender people (ahem, *people*) are born with a brain and hormonal system with a sex that is different from their bodies. This is not a choice, it is a physiological fact.
There are many babies born hermaphrodites, with both male and female physical traits (with both testicles and a vagina, for example); at birth, most of these babies' parents make a decision as to what sex their child should be, and there are corrective surgeries and/or the child is raised as the preferred sex. Sometimes these children grow up not feeling right about the sex they have been made into, because their brains already knew what the doctors/parents could not see. We all start out as females in the womb... sometimes things just don't develop the way they're expected to, and sometimes that development is only different in the brain and glands and hormones, where we cannot see the difference.
I hope people will get educated about gender identity. This is a really important issue in the positive evolution of humanity. I'm really tired of ignorance displayed by people like anticom above; I prefer to think they just need some education instead of being intentionally cruel and incredibly stupid. - canada42, on 05/15/2009, -0/+12Congratulations on completely ignoring the multitude of genetic conditions that cause people to in fact NOT be born as a man or a woman. Where do they fit in? Where do chimeras fit in? You are making such an ignorant and gross oversimplification its disgusting.
- canada42, on 05/15/2009, -0/+12There are a number of issues that are made infinitely easier with a legal marriage. What if one of them has an accident and is hospitalized? Without being legally related it is very possible under certain circumstances that the partner could be denied the right to see the injured person.
- pikelet, on 05/15/2009, -0/+12Funny that you mention brain structure. Studies have found that the brains of transgendered people have differences in structure that are more like the gender they believe they are, rather than the gender they were born.
- Coreyc150, on 05/15/2009, -1/+13marriage is retarded whether it is between two men, two women, or a man and a women
- CaptainPanda, on 05/15/2009, -1/+13Because scientists rely on facts and research to make their decisions rather than what lobby groups or the Bible tells them to. I'm not a scientist so I don't know whether a transgendered woman is male or female, but I do know that scientists will make a more educated decision than a politician will.
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