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- Jill186, on 10/12/2007, -34/+145Olbermann once again hits the nail on the head and articulates how Bush is accomplishing what the terrorists only hope to do; make us live in constant fear and limit our freedoms
- arsenal72, on 10/12/2007, -38/+123I think it's unfair of Olberman to go after that poor retarded man we elected President. It's not as if he understands the words he's repeating.
- gorobei, on 10/12/2007, -25/+82I'm grateful that Keith Olbermann is saying these things on television. They need to be said, they need to be heard.
I only wish they'd been said 3 years ago or 5 years ago when this nonsense started. Still, better late than never. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -25/+77"I think it's unfair of Olberman to go after that poor retarded man we elected President. It's not as if he understands the words he's repeating."
That's a pretty broad use of the word "elected" - manicleek, on 10/12/2007, -14/+57Great datastorage guy, play down Olberman as ***** and then quote CNN as fact.
Besides, no matter if your left, right, liberal or whatever you can't deny what it says in the article in that Bush is doing to the American public exactly what bin laden wants to do. - sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -20/+59Finally someone is calling Bush on the load of crap he keeps shoveling the American public. This is just the start of Rove trying to spread it thick from 9/11 through the November elections. Hopefully Olbermann continues to remind us what true patriotism is.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -16/+49Way to pick out one disputable piece of information from the post.
Don't you think it's strange that we've killed 200,000 civilians in retaliation for the fluke acts of 20 nutcase murderers impacting with some poor quality architecture which failed the very thing it was designed to withstand?
Don't you think its strange that 2000 people were killed in NYC in 2001.. of influenza, but theres no "war on the flu"?
I think it's strange, and I'm not the only one. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -23/+55I live in Australia, so I don't see much of Olbermann, but it seems very fashionable to hate him.
What I have seen of him, he has truly taken the words out of my mouth. Defining entire nations as "Axis of Evil", and namelessly alluding to some shadowy evil which was, lets not forget, 20 or so guys funded by one oil rich CIA trained nutjob, as being the brainchild of an entire religion, and the will of a phenomenal percentage of the worlds peaceful, normal, balanced population -
It really is a disgrace. Sometimes Bush really offends me on behalf of extremely nice kind generous people I know who are targetted by his hateful volatile language. - SimonKay, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36 datastorageguy -
You need to chill out dude!
The US government gave BILLIONS to the Mujaheddin. Recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (MAK). Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK! The CIA also trained many of Bin Laden's recruits. - Colbert, on 10/12/2007, -17/+39good for him. we sure as hell need one right now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+33I appreciate your skepticism but we didn't all vote for the dummy. Speaking with people on the subject, I often wonder who did.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28I offer the highest praise for Olbermann. He is speaking out against the fascism that is overrunning our country. Bush sells fear to get the public to go along with his assaults on the Constitution.
I just fear Keith will suffer an accident soon. - dpower, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24@ Tuba
Partisan this and partisan that. The fact of the matter is that Bush has created a terrible mess and he has done a bad job.
Iraq is a mess.
If the objective was to bring peace and meaningful democracy to Iraq it has failed.
If the objective was to make US citizens safer- it has failed.
If the objective was to punish Al Queda for 911 it has failed.
If the objective was to secure stockpiles of WMD's it has failed.
If the objective was to bring a measure of stability to the region it has failed.
It's time to call a spade a spade. The military strategies and political thinking behind the invasion of Iraq were just plain wrong. Tony Blair said that history would judge him. Well it didn't take that long.. - dpower, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@ Tuba-
That wasn't a rant. He chose his words carefully and deliberately. In fact he was eloquent. - tofagerl, on 10/12/2007, -27/+42Jesus, you yanks are weird... People, especially here in Europe, have been saying this for years, and every time it comes up in discussion, you shout us down with "oh, but think of the children"-style arguments. Suddenly one of your own "talking heads" says it, and you pretend like it's the second coming of Jesus and the Oracle of Delphi all at once.
- Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -18/+33No trust me, we too have been saying it for years, unfortantly the big man up top (and I don't mean god, as much as he would like to be called that) hasn't been listening.
Hopefully the [Quote] Media [Unquote] will knock some sense into the couple of sheep that think "anti-terrorist restrictions" are a good thing. - jayfarer, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24He's really going for the whole Edward R. Murrow thing, is he?
- CanPanther, on 10/12/2007, -23/+36And Bill O'Rielly's rants are any better???
Actually, GWB's administration actually has more in common with Hitler than OBL. Hitler used the same tactics to scare his country. Wait 'til the war in Iran starts.
Can you say '3rd term' or 'martial law'? - kalte, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20"His simple point was that we should not underestimate or ignore their goals like we did with Hitler or Lennon"
Funny, I would say the same thing about Bush and his policies. - seandaly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13No, up until recently, O'Reilly's "rants" were not only tolerated, they were welcomed by a public that was fine with the fascist ***** spewed forth by our government, as long as they felt safe while driving their fat-assed ***** kids to soccer practice in their economically challenged Cadillac Escalades!
Olbermann's ratings sucked because his slant was unpopular. The fact is, the people of this country ARE in fact getting sick of this *****! You can only stomp on so many liberties before people will get fed up. Olbermann's ratings WILL go up, I promise you that! Will they beat O'Reilly? Who gives a *****!
I'll probably get dugg down for this, but the majority of people in this country are ***** spineless! Everyone wants to be a good person and do the right thing, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them! The voter turnout in 2004 was the highest since 1968, yet only 60% of you voted, that's ***** DISMAL! We're the poster child for democracy (we try to spread it like herpes) yet just over 1/2 of the voting age population shows up to vote? We live in the "strongest" nation in the world and we're turned into a bunch of pussies that allow our government to do basically whatever it wants due to FEAR!
Anyone who feels that we should continue to allow our government to do whatever it feels necessary to keep them "safe" can eat the corn out of my *****! You don't deserve the ideals and safety that hundreds of thousands of your fellow countrymen fought and died for!
I love my country and would still die for it, I'm not willing to give up my liberties to keep it,
So ***** you!!! - Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"But that..uhh..that... snippit DOEZNT protect the US from..uh, alikida, and I, I don't think it will help us agaisnt, uh, nuculur weapons and planes!!!!"
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Thank you for posting that, apparently some people need reminded. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21This, if anything, is the new Mein Kampf. http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
- Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23"Where is your proof that American's have killed 200,000 civilians? Some blog? We have spent billions of dollars making weapon systems that are precise to avoid civilian deaths and don't target civilians. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about"
While you are correct, the "reported" civilian deaths are more in the range of 40,000-50,000 rather than the cited 200,000 figure, personally I'm not sure that "bringing democracy" to a foreign nation is worth that many deaths and (nearly) causing a civil war (the jury is still out on the civil war thing IMO)
While it may be true that, in general, we are not targeting civilians (there have been some reports that we targeted entire villages/towns early in the campaign), we still have OUR service men (yes I know, a few "bad eggs") killing and raping them. Regardless of if this is "official policy" or not, we should still be ashamed, as a nation, of what these "bad eggs" are doing while in our nations uniforms. I mean really now, these are men who have been trained by, and I'd HOPE psychologically evaluated by, our military.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
"...the world’s only independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq that have resulted from the 2003 military intervention by the USA and its allies. The count includes civilian deaths caused by coalition military action and by military or paramilitary responses to the coalition presence (e.g. insurgent and terrorist attacks). It also includes excess civilian deaths caused by criminal action resulting from the breakdown in law and order which followed the coalition invasion."
...And yes "we" are directly or indirectly responsible for all those deaths, I think anyway. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17When you are fighting an internal civil war, you can't be lablled as a terrorist. Sorry, doesn't work.
The American Revolution was an insurgency. - valona, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Ah yes, calling someone a pinko, a leftist, a commie. No easier or less subtle way to insult someone who's political viewpoint differs even ever so slightly from that of our glorious leader. We don't have a left in the US. Its a dirty word. We accept old grey right wing men in suits, or old grey right wen men in suits who are in the other party. No choice. No one is doubting that OBL is a grade A *****. Fundamentalist Islam is a world issue. But don't for one minute tell me, that you accept that Bushs 'War on Terror' is anything more than a rush for declining stocks of valuable natural resources. Bush has been a total ***** disaster, a disgrace to America and our place in the world. We are less 'safe' now than at any time in our history, we as innocent Americans are ***** despised pretty much all over the world. Are they are commie's, or is it our fault in voting in such pricks? To hate this idiot and everything he has done in our name, is to be a patriot.
- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Finally..." I mean that no matter how much the right wingers spout out about a liberal media, that doesn't mean we have one. We have a neutered media for the most part. Olbermann, on the other hand, has balls. "Finally..."
Kieth is calling Bush on his appeasers are like Nazis crap.
No matter how many times you spout it out, things are not going swimmingly in Iraq, decent GDP does not translate to a good economy for the average Joe, and the media does not have a liberal bias. From recent polls I guess I should add Iraq didn't have WMDs and had nothing to do with 9/11. - optikschmoptik, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16@bitcloud
You've got it the wrong way around. The _trust_ US citizens have for this government is phenomenal, and wrong. Way too many people take way too much administration information at face value. WMD, no global warming, executive signing statements, commander-in-chief powers, "nobody predicted that the levies would break"...lies. A little distrust would have gone a long way here.
Democracy is built on a foundation of mistrust. That's the whole point. Democracy means you don't trust the people who run government, and you never should. As citizens, we reserve the right to throw our representatives out as we see fit.
Once we do trust the government, we might as well install a monarchy. Too many 'patriots' seem way too willing to do that. - JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Bush, I know you're going to be in tears after reading this letter to you about how sorry a president you are, so here, have a tissue, well..what you're used to using as tissue anyways:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. - gincarnated, on 10/12/2007, -18/+26Bush + the American media is a deadly combination.
- mfshadow, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16The people simply just don't care. As long as they have cheap beer and neverending sports on TV (& every other mindless leisure activity), the American public doesn't have to pay attention or give a damn about anything. Think I'm wrong? Look at where people spend their money, examine for yourself what people really care about. The only way to shake people up is to hit them in the wallet or take away their idiot box.
- detonate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10According to Iraq Body Count, the current number of reported civilian deaths caused by the US military intervention in Iraq is between 41639 and 46307 - http://iraqbodycount.net/
The actual number may be substantially higher as not all deaths are reported. - hplasm, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18John Lennon?!?!
eek! - dmh11686, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Sorry Lenin, stupid digg timer.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11"Have you no sense of decency, Sir?" - Priceless.
I really admire Olberman as much as I despise O'Riely. - skaface69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8If the people with olberman are right, in their opinion and the people that don't agree with olberman are right, in their opinion, who the hell is wrong. I can't believe that we are still having this conversation. The government is going to do what it wants when it wants, and the American people just take it because we have been so disenfranchised with the whole process and over the last 6 years our county has been so split that nothing is getting done, our rights are being taken away for so called security, and for what, so that the people in Washington Dem or rep can further their own agenda, rep. Stevens anyone! Our government is supposed to be for the people by the people and i firmly believe in this ideal, but the reality is that our government is run lobbyists for big business and special interest groups. I feel that the American people are going to revolt and try to take back our government, and we need to work together for a common goal, not partisan politics. Let the American people back into government and our great nation will turn around. Don't and terrorist will be the least of our and our governments worries.
- dmorel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8this is nothing, go check out a Mac/PC thread!
- dingdingding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Please deldigger. I love America - I still think Bush deserves a good bitch slapping though.
- ricosalomar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I know. Imagine the irony of not employing reason and compassion when dealing with American conservatives.
Have you ever considered that a liberal may be pissed off because he has to explain to his ten-year-old daughter why her president is dropping bombs on ten-year-old girls in Iraq? - dpower, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Extreme left wing fanatics? What nonsense. Why dont you address the topic instead of hurling insults. Exactly what part Olbermanns speech would you call a rant? He chose his words carefully. He was eloquent and his delivery had conviction. I didnt detect any hateful tone.
The 'conservatives' here don't actually rebuff his argument. They've just whined about lefties or insulted him:
"Olbermann reminds me of the dumb and blind Europeans who toke Hitler's treat like it was a joke and got bite in the ass."
"The man is a nut job. Go back and cover Golf and Tennis Keith."
"Olbermann's only way to get ratings is to be as obnoxiously anti-Bush as possible,"
"so political opinion rants (whether you like the person or not) are OK as long as they're against Bush?"
"Olberman's 100% partisan rants are hardly news."
And on and on. Give the guy a break- he spoke from his heart and did so in a polite thoughtful manner. Don't just disagree with the guy on principle. - bndo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@saigumi in response to:
"Since no one could figure out what Kerry was for because he flip-flopped more than a marlin on the deck of a fishing boat. Voting for something and then later saying you were completely against it means that you aren't much of a leader, you are a member of a herd of erratic cows."
Are you telling me leaders don't change their mind when circumstances warrant change? A leader to me has the confidence to make adjustments as things go... not one that continues down the wrong path (or in this case War) that at one point he thought was correct.
Also, @ mfshadow re: "The people simply just don't care. As long as they have cheap beer and never ending sports on TV (& every other mindless leisure activity), the American public doesn't have to pay attention or give a damn about anything...The only way to shake people up is to hit them in the wallet or take away their idiot box."
Unfortunately you are absolutely correct. And those people are exactly the ones that voted for this administration.
Lastly, the fear mongering is the single biggest theme of this generation (well other than the Internet, although the two go hand-in-hand). The fear-machine works to sedate the masses and as a whole we accept the "solutions" offered to fix issues effecting nations and the planet. The media does wonders to push and pull this, as indicated by the varying liberal/conservative jabs on this post. - digg0digg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8essential videos (pts 1-3) to explain, in part, how we've arrived at this point
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=power+of+nightmares
it will be interesting to see how Blair's announced departure today will play out in the long run. - cab1030, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13I agree that it is great that he is saying these things on National TV, but I wish that many of you that are just now opening your eyes about what is going on in this country with this Administration that is misleading and lying to us on a daily basis would have seen the light a little sooner, done your own thinking and homework so he would not have been re-elected in 2004. We would be better off now.
- skaface69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6now those people are extremists!
- kristov, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@saigumi - you aren't as free a thinker as you think you are if you fell for the rightwing flip-flop propaganda. what kerry did was look at issues after we have additional information and the capability to realize we might need to change direction - something bush completely lacks. the bush administration seems to think they are right as long as they keep saying they are right regardless of the facts. this is the worst kind of stupidity.
- Liberal411, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Look I was raised the old-fashioned way, with a stern set of moral principles: Never lie, cheat, steal or knowingly spread a venereal disease. Never speed up to hit a pedestrian or, or course, stop to kick a pedestrian who has already been hit. From which it followed, of course, that one would never ever -- on pain of deletion from dozens of Christmas card lists across the country -- vote Republican.
- grunherz5x5, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@valona
"We are less 'safe' now than at any time in our history..."
I'm not disagreeing with the principle of your argument but I respectfully disagree that we are less safe now, than say in 1980 when the Soviet Union had tens of thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at us and old cold warriors were playing a game of tit for tat that could've wiped us all off the planet.
In fact, the whole argument that this thread is based upon is that we are actually very safe compared to other times in our history. This administration needs us to ignore that in order to get us to support all the escalation in the "war on terror" (insert creepy dramatic Fox News background music). So they scare us with "Terror Alert Levels", "Axis of Evil" and other scary stuff to get us to forget that we're living in one of the cushiest times since Pax Romana.
Fear is the best way to get people to support you if they think you can protect them. It works for TV ads (1 in 5 Americans will get 'insert nasty disease here', but you can help prevent it by buying our product!).
Hey, the world is a weird and unpredictable place, but we need to step back and realize that we're more in danger of being killed on the Interstate today, by a magnitude of 10,000, than of some crazy fundamentalist nutjob setting off a bomb. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It takes a bigger man to stand up and say I made a mistake.
- shagz7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@chriskzoo... the speech was given by rumsfeld, not bush
- Foosinho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9What are you talking about, "the elected right didn't follow"? They impeached the guy over getting a hummer and trying to keep it on the DL!!!
On the other hand, Bush is clearly breaking the law - over and over and over again - and we can't even get a congressional inquiry. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Don't you think its strange that 2000 people were killed in NYC in 2001.. of influenza, but theres no "war on the flu"?"
If you don't think there's an ongoing war on the flu by medical researchers, you're somewhat ignorant. -
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