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- phyx726, on 07/13/2009, -2/+69Nancy Botwin?
- KimmyGibbler, on 07/13/2009, -5/+54In Philly (where I live) it doesn't seem like anyone I've talked to is surprised by this. She was a night club manager, so selling blow is an obvious cross-sale opportunity. If everyone is coming up to you at your club and asking where they can score some coke, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you could make a ***** by being the one selling it. Also, Downtown Philly (where the murder happened) is pretty racially harmonious, and whites and the "hip-hop scene" mix well. Just don't try going to a swimming pool in the white-trash northern suburbs if you are black
- isendre, on 07/13/2009, -1/+46From the headline "Rich Suburban Girl", I thought she was some teenager or 20-something. Why do they keep calling her a girl when she's 34? A white WOMAN who is club promoter was a drug dealer and got shot for it . . . big *****' deal.
- ganymede2010, on 07/13/2009, -0/+35Where I live(with the exception of the Mexican Mafia). The most successful drug dealers are rich suburban kids who stay in upper class neighbor hoods. The places where cops never kick down the doors to serve a search warrant. The only people who get caught around here are the poor kids who sell drugs on the corner down town. So this story doesn't surprise me one bit.
- OfNumbers, on 07/13/2009, -3/+34These have to be the dumbest killers in a while. They did everything so wrong it is almost comical.
e.g. 3:43 - Corpulent guy has to take the stairs AGAIN because his accomplice didn't wait for him. Just how they didn't read the building was under surveillance, he didn't realize there was another elevator right next to it. - monkeyrun, on 07/13/2009, -0/+28Why is this so surprising? I thought you have to be a drug dealer to be the night club manager...
- Azdak, on 07/13/2009, -3/+31And in the blink of an eye, every commenter on Digg becomes a master criminal and drug-lifestyle expert.
- flibblesan, on 07/13/2009, -0/+26I'm waiting for her to confirm me as a friend.
- Feenix566, on 07/13/2009, -1/+25Is there any doubt that if drugs were legal, she and millions of others like her would still be alive?
When was the last time a Budweiser employee got capped by a bunch of Miller thugs? - UnpossibIe, on 07/13/2009, -1/+19From this article it sounds like she was more of a mule/financier than a kingpin. When I hear kingpin, I think of someone that controls a large territory.
- badlandz, on 07/13/2009, -2/+19Little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky-tacky
- merreborn, on 07/13/2009, -2/+18Paging Nancy Botwin...
- jserio, on 07/13/2009, -0/+15Is anyone confused by the video? It's a bunch of gangbangers walking around aimlessly, talking on their phones and text messaging. The video caption says that the girl was shot in the stairwell, yet we never even see her enter.
- Temo1, on 07/13/2009, -0/+13I grew up hard, yo.
- StutterMilk, on 07/13/2009, -2/+14Dugg for having a man named "Poo" and the phrase "masterminded the plot" in the same sentence.
- a1lostnomad, on 07/13/2009, -2/+13Is 100K, a few kilos, and a promotion gig really all it takes to be a "Kingpin" in Philly? By those standards my neighbor must be Pablo Escobar... I mean come on, she didn't even have bodyguards.
- lisaawesome, on 07/13/2009, -1/+10Exactly. And being an upper class white girl is some of the best protection around. Not that I know about that.
- scotchyscotch, on 07/13/2009, -0/+7This sounds like a lifetime movie. Philidelphia Express.
- raynar, on 07/13/2009, -0/+7i'm from the skreets...
- BigBalledOX, on 07/13/2009, -3/+10Am I supposed to feel bad or something? And here's a question - why is it that a pretty white girl from a rich suburb gets some special column written about her while plenty of people other than Miss Lilly have gotten themselves killed by rival dealers? What makes her special?
- dse78759, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6The cops keep the good stuff to themselves....
- diggitydoc, on 07/13/2009, -0/+61. it is all on surveillance
2. it happened in a new luxury apartment complex
3. she was occasionally connected to celebrities
4. she was a cute white girl who had some serious weight in her apartment - markf3388, on 07/13/2009, -1/+7There are already millions of drug addicts. Whats your point.
If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict or an alcoholic who cares, its just one less person that is competing with you for that good job. - damnshoes, on 07/13/2009, -0/+6sexy crazy? I think so.
- pcsperson, on 07/13/2009, -1/+7This story seems so crazy, I mean the it seems so possible to do.
- ohhoe, on 07/13/2009, -2/+7The killing didn't happen in "downtown" (center city) Philadelphia. It happened in Northern Liberties, in a ritzy as ***** European style apartment complex. http://www.planphilly.com/node/8930 http://www.atthepiazza.com/ There's photos and information about the place that show you about the place. It's ridiculous. Hell, I wish I lived there.
The complex itself isn't racially harmonious either, it's predominantly upper middle class yuppies, and suburbia transplants that are gentrifying the NoLibs to the extreme.
There was an article in the city paper about how a bunch of the people who live in the complex are so surprised that a crime of that nature could happen in their expensive little bubble, meanwhile there's plenty of drug related and gang related crime in the area. - leif777, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5heheh... "rock" opera
- swizzcheez, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5I've always wondered how people can talk so casually about having previously used. Did the author get busted before? How is he not worried about the cops?
Not judging -- just curious... - Shagmire, on 07/13/2009, -2/+7FYI The crime occurred in the Northern Liberties section of the City, not "Downtown." This area of the city is "Up and Coming" - been categorized that way for a couple of years. If you walk 2 blocks away from this area, its a ghetto-tastic. It's certainly not Center City/Old City, which I would call "Downtown"
- Mankind121, on 07/13/2009, -1/+6Here's her facebook for the curious,
http://www.facebook.com/people/Rian-Thal/620623979 - freshyill, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5She was no Stringer Bell, that's for sure.
- tech42er, on 07/14/2009, -0/+5*clicks on profile*
- Necronomicana, on 07/13/2009, -0/+5Huh, when I hear "kingpin" I think Woody Harrelson and a rubber hand.
- feignNU, on 07/13/2009, -1/+5Well, that is an interesting hypothesis, but in the countries that have experimented with decriminalization (no one has tried actual legalization yet), a massive increase in drug addicts is *not* observed. And of course, even if legalization did cause some increase in usage, it would also likely cause a simultaneous decrease in the harms associated with usage, which would tend to have a balancing effect on the impact on society of more drug users. More users, but less harm associated with use is not quite the same as if we suddenly found ourselves with more illicit drug users.
I think anyone should be able to see that the goal of our drug policy should be to minimize the negative impact of drug use on society -- a goal that would be best served by legalization and sensible regulation. It's only the drug warriors who chase the pipe dream of somehow eliminating all use of unapproved drugs that think prohibition is worthwhile, despite the fact that it unquestionably adds to the problem. - Qumahlin, on 07/14/2009, -1/+5Sad part is this article didn't even mention that they killed Thal's friend that was with her at the time as well.
- feignNU, on 07/13/2009, -1/+5@andyb747
"It would only take about a decade before 9 in 10 people would be addicted. That's my point."
Your point is just empty speculation that is not borne out by evidence. Portugal decriminalized all drugs nearly a decade ago and this nightmare scenario you're trying to imagine has just not happened.
Prohibition is directly responsible for the creation of black markets in which children and teenagers are recruited to sell and smuggle drugs, and there is no real way to combat this problem because the entire industry operates outside of the purview of the law. So it's odd to me that someone who is apparently so concerned for the safety of children could support a policy that causes so many of them so much harm. - FXNGLAS, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4So they charged this Katoya Jones with murder because she let them in the building? Is she just another building resident?
Assuming she really is innocent, I'm sorry, I had no idea I could be convicted of murder for politely holding the door open for another person looking to enter the same door. - MrShreddington, on 07/13/2009, -2/+6Interesting story... the article, not so much, why should we care about the author's friend? That's all he knows enough to write about.
- s73v3r, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4I don't think such a thing would even crack the surface of the story.
- raynar, on 07/13/2009, -0/+4page 2
- uknowwhoibe, on 07/14/2009, -0/+3Weren't they black? Oh, so jserio called it right on.
Don't be so defensive. - insertAliasHere, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3God dammit, you couldn't even read the description?
"Ever since the murder of Rian Thal"
She was killed, not caught. - weweresaved, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4This has hollywood movie written all over it.
- kingmanic, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4economist steven levitt argued that drug dealers in slums make a pittance. It makes sense because you can't make more money than your customers have to spend. So the real money would be selling drugs to the middle class who are both numerous and have the cash. So it would also make sense that the ones who do well in that industry would occasionally be middle class.
- tech42er, on 07/14/2009, -0/+3She's the girlfriend of the drug kingpin who ordered the hit. RTFA.
- minoss, on 07/13/2009, -1/+4It's a big deal because she was a pretty white girl. At least to the media.
- diemunkiesdie, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3I don't need no stinkin article to tell me what to do! I've seen The Wire!
- JWin, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3the piazza is not that expensive. it houses some middle class people, but nothing out of the norm for a new condo building. the complex has a huge center square where they have live music and events every weekend along w/ a giant tv screen to play sports games and major events. pretty much just became a hangout for hipsters and locals.
and no one was surprised by this happening. it was a blatant hit. she pissed someone off and paid for that. - cheddaro, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3Yeah, a few kilos isn't as common as most people think.
From watching TV, you'd just assume every "drug dealer" had a few kilos of coke and some AK-47s in his trunk. - JWin, on 07/13/2009, -0/+3you must be describing your own bad experience. philly has good and bad, and you can find both anywhere you go.
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