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- malignatius, on 09/01/2008, -13/+63The Nazis set fire to their own Parliament and blamed it on communist "Terrorists". They then passed the Enabling Act which permitted the suspension of civil liberties during national emergencies.
They then staged an attack on a radio tower, blaming the Polish in order to justify a "Defensive" invasion, and by that initiating World War II.
Wake up people, history is already repeating itself. - Amazetbm, on 09/02/2008, -4/+35In more ways in one. The grandfather of our current president was closely related to the financing of the Nazi party.
- QuestVR, on 09/02/2008, -5/+27I prefer the porno version Mein Kockf
- smashingmonkey, on 09/02/2008, -1/+20It's ironic that Germany has essentially "burned" this book because it considers its contents to be too dangerous. Sometimes the things we do out of fear make us resemble the things we feared in the first place. I've spent enough time in Germany to know that the people there can handle this book in an academic context without starting world war 3.
- sgtbutterscotch, on 09/01/2008, -2/+19That's pretty scary that something like that could become embraced among the people so easily. Makes me feel like this could happen again, or maybe it's even happening right now and we don't even know it...
- Kyrgizion, on 09/02/2008, -4/+20Ahh, Prescott Bush. Probably the most heavy-handed of the family (which means something, considering their service record). He also had a hand in the central banking system which is now draining honest, hardworking Americans of their funds.
- Rotzooi, on 09/02/2008, -1/+16I wish emmet were right, but why were the schoolteachers calling the Jewish kids "Dreckige Jude" in class? Why were the Jews kicked and spat on in the streets? Why were their shops demolished by German Joe Public?
It was not every one, but it most certainly wasn't just the hardcore nazis. Hitler riled up the German people and all their hatred came out, aimed at the Jewish population. Even more recent history shows how easy this is to accomplish. Just keep yelling that all "towelhead *****" are terr'sts. People get scared, get angry and before you know it, everyone is on board. Human nature is ***** up. - bjornski, on 09/02/2008, -2/+16History.
Learn it or repeat it.
Looks like you'd prefer people repeat it.
I didn't see anything "promoting" Hitler's message in the article. ""Mein Kampf" was a clear-cut warning to the world of Hitler's intentions for war and genocide" Doesn't sound like promoting his views to me.
That kind of stuff is best left to the "libertarians" on Stormfront. - kazamx, on 09/02/2008, -1/+14The Germans were told that they were winning WW1 right up until the moment they surrendered. From the view of the people back home they were beating everyone, then suddenly they lost. On top of that they then had to suffer harsh retribution and punishment from the allies for starting the war. They needed someone to blame, the Nazis gave them someone.
The Jews were blamed for selling out the German Nation. The German population were told that it was the Jews fault they lost the war and the Jews fault they suffered so much now. They were told the 'real' german people were better than everyone else (a master race) and that it was their destiny to stop the Jewish terror from controlling the world. They were liberators. they would free the rest of the world and bring peace and prosperity to all. Anyone who didn't agree with them didn't see the bigger picture. The ends justified the means.
Its scary when you look at how easily normal people can be goaded into doing horrific things. Now look at what the American people have become under Bush. You now have people locked up in Gitmo without charge, you admit to torturing, you have killed hundreds of thousands. Why? For a better world. To bring peace. Those who don't agree don't see the big picture. The ends justify the means. - inactive, on 09/02/2008, -1/+14Mein Kempf = My struggle
It's basically 8 mile feat. eminem but for hitler and without rap. - inactive, on 09/02/2008, -1/+14Emmet, you got that backwards.
Only 10% did not support Nazi Germany.
By 1939, most of the intellectuals had left the country.
Nazi Germany was the most efficient, popular and citizen involving form of government this planet has ever known.
Germans of the time saw it has the savior of Germany. They went from 50-60% unemployment rate (post WW1) to 0% unemployment rate and unsurpassed economic growth in less than 20 years.
The Nazis blamed the situation of the past to jewish bankers. Saying they controlled the money and were the ones that empovrished Germany. The whole thing snowballed into general hatred of all jews and claims of superiority.
They controlled the information (radio, newspapers and books). So they controlled opinion. - inactive, on 09/02/2008, -0/+12maybe i should read the article first before commenting on it huh?
- peestandingup, on 09/02/2008, -2/+14Germans are still really ashamed of what they let happen all those years ago & wanna bury a lot of this stuff. No denying that. But its wrong to censor information, it happened. Deal with it, learn from your mistakes, move on.
- Myonosken, on 09/02/2008, -4/+13No you wake up. 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, not. a. *****. inside. job.
I also like the fact you think that what is happening in the US is on ANY LEVEL that can be compared to krystalnacht and the final solution. - Phosphan, on 09/02/2008, -0/+8The article is incorrect. The possession of "Mein Kampf" is not banned at all in Germany. You can even sell existing copies, and it is part of many university libraries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Current_av ...
- spezi, on 09/02/2008, -0/+6There is in general no lack of information on Nazi crimes. This information is not censored. What is "censored" in Germany is statements which are considered to be revisionist, meaning, either claiming that eg the Holocaust was good or did not happen. There are restrictions concerning eg the selling of Nazi memorabilia, or the use of the Nazi swastika which is deemed a symbol of an "anti-constitutional organization". But use of the swastika is for example permitted in (history) books, films, theater plays, ... actually you see it quite often in Germany. It just has to be in the "proper" context, so the use should not be deemed as being for propagandistic purpose.
- Kyrgizion, on 09/02/2008, -5/+11Three words:
2008 US Elections - Bovorik, on 09/02/2008, -1/+6Wanna be a bit more specific?
- inactive, on 09/02/2008, -0/+5Ah but that's the thing, without the military industry, the economy wouldn't have been reconstructed and a lot of people wouldn't have a job.
Nazi Germany proved that an economy is completely virtual and independent of any import/export relationship.
They generated their own work and their own wealth at the same time. The secret to this is isolationism.
But, that said, you could achieve the same with another type of venture, like humanitarian work. Same exact principle, completely different outcome. Instead of making bullets, you make medical supplies, instead of bombers you make hospital aircrafts, instead of invading countries, you supply aid.
But try to explain that to an economist and/or politician... You'll get laughed at. People can't wrap their head around money not having a real value. Wealth is generated by ressources, not some piece of paper a bank attributed a random value to. - foopirata, on 09/02/2008, -0/+5"Quick! _Everyone_! _Together_! Fight against collectivism!"
Can you see the problem there? - lewzer, on 09/02/2008, -4/+9all it takes are one or two well placed and well timed false flag operations and you can have yourself the grounds for an invasion
- aaabatteries, on 09/02/2008, -2/+7Stay classy digg.
- poidh, on 09/02/2008, -0/+5It actually means "my struggle".
- Myonosken, on 09/02/2008, -0/+4Yes. Repeatedly.
- bjornski, on 09/02/2008, -0/+4That helps. Hehe.
/you look smarter already..... - vbullinger, on 09/02/2008, -0/+4Citation, please, malignatius!
He meant to end that quote with this:
- Hermann Goering - neko6, on 09/02/2008, -1/+5"and the communist movement inside the country was Jewish as well." - wait, I thought the Jews were the evil bankers who advocate extreme capitalism and caused Germany to lose the war...
There are Jews everywhere, just like there are tall people everywhere. There are communist Jews and capitalist Jews and anarchist Jews and monarchist Jews. But for some strange reason, all Jews are always blamed for anything bad that happens... - DerangedPenguin, on 09/02/2008, -0/+4As a member of the Borg Collective, no.
Resistance is futile you will be collectivized. - emmet, on 09/02/2008, -5/+9except not really. it's not like all of the german people actually believed all that stuff, or supported it. the nazi regime was as powerful as it was because nobody stopped them, not because everybody supported them. in fact, "only" about 10% of the population supported them. so in that sense, you can't really say it was "embraced". sure, some of the things they did appealed to the people, like how they effectively erased unemployment by creating jobs rebuilding the country etc, and that obviously helped the nazis seize power, but the large majority of the country did not believe in all the racist ideologies the nazis propagated.
all of this doesn't really make it any better, but if anything, we should learn from it that the people don't have to support whatever horrible things their leaders may have planned in order for them to happen. all it needs is inaction of the majority and a brutal enough oppression of those who do oppose it, by the few who do support the regime (for whatever reasons). - goes211, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3foopirata - There is nothing unusual about about asking individuals to join to fight collectivism. In a free society individuals have rights of free association. The difference is that the individuals are VOLUNTARILY joining a group (or what you may call a collective) and can leave when they feel that the group no longer serves their individual needs. The collectivism that govsucks is referring to is a FORCED collectivism of the state that must be resisted if its people wish to remain free.
- inactive, on 09/02/2008, -4/+7www.greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf
english version
judge it for yourself - inactive, on 09/02/2008, -0/+3"My struggle"
- Bovorik, on 09/02/2008, -0/+3In the thirties they were calling FDR a yellow-bellow commie - what's your point?
Back in the day, you had the Crusades propaganda machine, run by the Vatican. It's not as if Hitler came along and invented it. - foopirata, on 09/02/2008, -0/+3@govsucks: I am in this discussion purely for the academic and amusing factor. That said, don't you see something funny about asking people to collectively act against collectivism ?
Or is the collectivism against collectivism "good" collectivism ?
'Fight against collectivism and fight for freedom. Take this day and accept that you have no right to tell another how to live their life'
Person A is a happy drone. Person A works 9-to-5, feeds his family and has fun when possible. Person A is a member of the collective.
Person B is a freedom fighter, a mouse-yielding warrior out to lead the world out of its slumber. Person B enjoins Person A to fight against the collective, a situation that, independent of its merits or lack thereof, effectively changes the way that Person A has (happily) been living his life.
Person B has right now told Person A how to live.
Anyone fighting against a collective based on the platform you seem to spouse is, by definition, merely changing the collective model, and in doing so, deciding for others what is best for them. How does that sound? - spezi, on 09/02/2008, -0/+3I don't mean what you mean with "essentially burned". Just to be sure let me point out that the book is not banned in Germany (contrary to what is claimed in the article). It is legal to own it, and to sell it, but only editions printed before 1945. This is a copyright issue: the copyright is with the state of Bavaria, and Bavaria does not allow new books to be printed. So new (German) editions are as illegal as unauthorized prints of Harry Potter. Though in the case of "Mein Kampf", the decision to not print new books is surely politically motivated.
- Lynxpro, on 09/02/2008, -0/+3What about "Triumph of the Ill" rap from "The Whitest Kids You Know" on IFC?
- inactive, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2Before launching into well-worn warnings about history repeating itself, the book 'Analogies at War' by Yuen Foong Khong is great for learning how and when historical analogies apply. It contains a fascinating analysis of how Vietnam was justified by American policymakers by reference to the Munich analogy.
- foopirata, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2goes211: unusual, no. contradictory, yes.
"The difference is that the individuals are VOLUNTARILY joining a group (or what you may call a collective) and can leave when they feel that the group no longer serves their individual needs." - and how's that different from what you have today? If you don't like where you are, leave. If you don't like the life you lead, change it. What I question is the need to "call the masses to the barricades" to fight another "the masses". That's all.
"The collectivism that govsucks is referring to is a FORCED collectivism of the state" - I'm sorry, but that's puerile BS. If you don't like being in the "collectivism of the state" there are N ways to remove yourself from it, none of them necessitating any kind of struggle. Still, even if that's the case, his crusade seems to be just another kind of imposition to me, which is, as I said, a bit hypocrite to call a spade a spade. - vbullinger, on 09/02/2008, -1/+3You're right.
Funny thing?
Hitler was related to these same bankers, and was funded by them.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=hitler%20rot ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=hitler+rothschild - vbullinger, on 09/02/2008, -2/+4We are. And most people DON'T know it. I said most.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pUogbYkoHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847 ...
Iran is not Nazi Germany. It's Poland.
Remember this line: "Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map!"
How's this for context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnA75S6M4Nk
You know we have been building prison camps for the last few years, right? FEMA and Haliburton? http://www.google.com/search?q=halliburton+prison+ ... - malignatius, on 09/02/2008, -2/+4"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
- tomsentest, on 09/02/2008, -4/+6if you ever read it you'd know how many aspects of it the US and UK governments use today... it's almost a manual to them.
- inactive, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2 Here's just more article written on a subject the author knows nothing about. This woman never even read it, she relied on others to tell her it was poorly written. ( It wasn't) I've found out of all the Hitler experts on the web almost none of them have read it. Most of it is a guide on how to get a political party started against long odds and it's not too interesting.
- tablatronix, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2hahahahhaha hilarious
- Lynxpro, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2Had Hitler been truly smart, he would've held back on military adventures and just let the German economy steamroll the competition in the markets. Of course, then he would not have seen "glorious" military conquests before he was to die of Parkinson's Disease.
I wonder what he'd think of modern Germany's economic domination of the European single market today. Of course, he'd be scornful of the democratic German government and its strategy of letting the French think they control Europe. - OpenRevolt, on 09/02/2008, -1/+3Lenin was in exile and the Germans sent him back to Russia during the first World War in hopes of destroying the country and having them pull out as allies.
Not long after Lenin assassinated the royal family in a coup, Russia backed out of World War I and gave millions of acres to the Germans. - the6thReplicant, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2No he didn't say that.
If you can't see the similarities then maybe fascism can only happen by people with funny mustaches. Just as long as no one has one, we're safe! Hey, GWB doesn't have one so therefore it's impossible to use any analogy from 1939 Germany on him. He is immune.
Anyway, what he tried to point out is that governments have been known to use propaganda and hatred of he unknown as a way of stirring the masses to support their own power-grab agenda. It's pretty much a known fact that the tragedy of 9-11 was used by Cheney to pass legislation (PATRIOT act) that he had written up during the Cold War.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/342/the-usa-pa ...
He didn't say that the present administration was going to burn people alive. He didn't say that they were going to wear some well pressed uniforms either. Analogies are just that.
- Myonosken, on 09/02/2008, -0/+2MY HEAD IS STRUGGLING MEIN DEAR. MEIN KOPF MEIN KOPF MEIN KAMPF!!!
- SolipsismX, on 09/02/2008, -4/+6Gotta love the immediate comparison with the bible,
It seems that only the most idiotic works of literature (and art in general) speak to the masses....
::listens to Thriller while watching Titanic and viewing the Mona Lisa:: - thecoolestguy, on 09/02/2008, -1/+3Contrary to what this article says, Main Kampf was not poorly written. Hitler was a good writer. It's interesting how the book shows Hitler absolutely detested individual liberty and saw it as the number 1 enemy of the fascist state.
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