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East Texas Teenager Attacked Over History Project

kltv.com — It was an assignment for history class--to make a protest sign for or against an issue, and Melanie said she chose illegal immigration. Her sign read, "If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration." Somehow, Melanie said the sign got passed around lunch and angered a group of Latino students.

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  • ISmokesDaPot420, on 04/09/2008, -486/+68Kids get in fights. That's the public school system. Just because this was over her view on immigration and not another girl thinking that she was hitting on her boyfriend or a guy calling another guy a homosexual does not make it news.
    • meuse, on 04/09/2008, -58/+326It sounds like a hate crime to me. The Latino students beat her and threatened to rape and murder her because she's white.
      • socialismEVIL, on 04/09/2008, -35/+139It's not only ok to hate white people, it's expected. After all they're responsible for all social ills, poverty, inflation, depression, recession, sickness, STDs, discontent, joblessness, homelessness, especially slavery -- despite the fact that people with black skin, themselves actually african, are responsible for gathering-, selling-, and shipping other black skinned people, also actually african, into slavery in many many counties of which one was America. It doesn't matter that no white people now have had no hand in slavery for the sins of the father are visited upon the son, and daughters in a politically "correct" world
        • ManOfVirtues, on 04/09/2008, -71/+13"After all they're (white people) responsible for all social ills". See what you have done? You went ahead and made an uneducated generalized statement. So what you are suggesting is we should exclude facts from our statements in order to make a point? I'm sure there is a job in politics for you.
          But once reality sets in we can go down the list of "social ills" perpetrated by non-white skinned people.
          Lets see where to start, Egyptian slavery of Jews (white people). Egypt is in Africa, so by your logic it should be ok for Jewish individuals to attack African Americans, sins of the father. No we cant have that, hate crime.
          How about something a little bit closer to home. Tribal warfare in central Africa. Raping, Pillaging, Genocide. I assume from your comments your an African American male, well do you know who your tribe is? Well you should because somewhere down the line another tribe infringed on your father's, so why don't your attack your neighbor? After all his great great grandfather's tribe invaded your tribe, sold the prisoners to the Spanish or the Dutch, who in turn brought them to various countries around the world as slaves. By most accounts your tribe were slaves long before they got to American soil.
          Every race, gender, creed, and background have blood on their hands. But by carrying around the logic that someone else is responsible for your life, you have given up claim to it.
          • Fafnir43, on 04/09/2008, -1/+65I will give you a hint: anyone who uses the term "politically correct" in their post and espouses views like that is being very very sarcastic.
          • theeldest, on 04/09/2008, -26/+16He was being Ironic.
          • Harabeck, on 04/09/2008, -7/+28No that wasnt ironic at all, do you understand what the word means?
          • NoCt1, on 04/09/2008, -1/+25Technically.. Generalizing isnt uneducated.. To generalize is to be in thought.. If you dont generalize then you dont think.. Look it up.. Go ahead and digg me down but its true.. You generalize EVERYDAY..
          • ManOfVirtues, on 04/09/2008, -1/+24Wow it sounds to me like I completely missed the point, I think i am going to turn off my digg for the rest of the morning, for safety sake.
          • PokerGigolo, on 04/09/2008, -7/+11For the record, Harabeck, it was actually ironic. Irony, in the verbal sense, is a disparity between what one says and what one means, where a speaker says one thing but means another, so the first half of socialismEVIL's remarks were a textbook example of irony. I think perhaps you are the one who doesn't understand what the word means.
          • Pixelante, on 04/09/2008, -1/+7WHOOOSH!
            Is it a plane? Is it a rocket-propelled grenade? No, it's IRONY, flying over your head like Commando Cody.
          • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -10/+6Unfortunately, as you did miss the irony, it seems pointless to address your comment on a content basis, but I feel compelled to. Let's use, for example, black people in the USA. The enslavement of the African people by the rich, white elites of the United States was conducted with unparalleled brutality, cruelty, and mercilessness. The tribal slavery that existed before and after the slavery in the USA doesn't even compare. The kind of racism we know today was designed by rich white men to keep the poor white people from joining with the slaves and overthrowing those men. Whites intentionally dehumanized the American slave, and even went so far as to revoke their humanity in a court of law! Never before had racism, hatred, and subjugation been so calculated, so perfectly and ruthlessly executed as in the case of American slavery. The goal was to break the spirit of the slave. In many tribes and countries, slaves were more like an ultra-low class, but certainly at least were regarded as human beings. In the United States, the opposite was true. After Emancipation, racism thrived, arguably, even more greatly. The black codes, the birth of the KKK, etc. Then years of legalized segregation, refusal of the government to protect the blacks, and a legacy of poverty and hatred in the black community. Now we have the ghetto, where the CIA itself sold crack cocaine in the 80s in order to gain support for its racist drug war. In the ghettos, children grow up with their fathers in jail or dead, and in order to support their family at the age of 14 or 15, they too sell drugs, and the cycle repeats. Education in these places is a joke. This resentment in the black community has manifested itself in violent hip-hop culture, which propagates this cycle. (Not all hip-hop is like this.) Whose fault is all this? Rich, white men's. I'm a white man. But if I were a minority, I would hate me too.
          • gameforge, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2When you end a sentence with a period, if you're feeling a bit wild, go ahead and tap the enter key a couple times. It's a lot of fun. Don't just hit it once... hit it twice - make a whole, new blank line out of it.
          • theeldest, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3I like when the masses digg down facts (ie "He was being Ironic"). It just goes to show that the masses really are retarded.
        • ThePerkins, on 04/09/2008, -2/+23ManOfVirtues... you missed his point entirely. The fact you think he's black and you go off about him not knowing his tribe is laughably stupid. Fail.
        • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -27/+6Wow, this shows so clearly the entitlement and privilege of the white American population. They attacked her because of her views on a racial topic, but not because she was white. They also hate that she's white, probably, but it's her stance that they were attacking. Look, if I was a minority, I'd hate white people - well, at least their legacy.
          • hypertension, on 04/09/2008, -2/+8Yes, white 13 year-old girls are wrong for feeling entitled to safety in school from attacks and threats of RAPE by GROUPS of males. >_>

            You're a disgrace.
        • festizian, on 04/09/2008, -8/+2You cannot say that whites are responsible for STDs. Syphilis was originally from America and we have AIDS because some black man from Africa mated with a chimp.
          • bagboyrebel, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2I think AIDS originally came from eating the apes, not from having sex.
        • mtekk, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1@festizian:
          No, right now the prevailing theory is it was some jackass doctor that was trying to develop a polio vaccine, who was a cheap ass and didn't screen the animals he used for developing his vaccines.
        • Himself, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2Wow, that was delightfully reminiscent of 'The Evilness of Whiteness'
      • atdigg, on 04/09/2008, -13/+35"hate crime" sounds to me like thought crime.
      • drachemorder, on 04/09/2008, -9/+99I don't believe in the concept of "hate crime". The mere fact that they beat her and threatened to rape her is quite sufficient. Those things are already criminal.
        • KJeffV, on 04/09/2008, -15/+3You're 100% correct, Buddy, but just as no one except You-Know-Who can read minds, not every person can see whether the sarcasm lamp's lit. OtoH, "What's good f/the goose is good f/the gander," as the old saw goes.
        • BruceBogtrotter, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2Plus, They didn't necessarily do it because she was white like the first poster said. The did it because they didn't agree with her sign. I'm willing to bet that they don't even understand the subject and just see it as an attack on Hispanics because they are "programmed" to think so.
        • yeahso, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1hate crimes not only make some things illegaller, but make some people more equaller than others
          • socialismEVIL, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1hating evil will soon be a crime
      • flip2trip, on 04/09/2008, -10/+48The concept of "hate crime" is merely an attempt by the government to decide what thoughts people have that are "right" and "wrong". We've entered into a very slippery slope with this legislation, next merely expressing the wrong thought will be considered hate crime. The thought police are coming.
        • BrainInAJar, on 04/09/2008, -17/+5that's ***** and you know it.

          A hate crime is a crime comitted purely because someone is different. Assaulting someone unprovoked because of something they are is something we as a society have deemed to be worse than simply assaulting someone because of something else ( looking at your girl, insulting your mother, etc ) because the victim can't take steps to protect themselves from assault ( you can't magically become white, curves cereal aside )
          • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -4/+10I am a white man, and I believe very strongly in affirmative action, the reality of institutionalized racism in the USA, and the plight of the minorities. (See above.) But, I too will say that hate crime legislation is wrong. The first and most important reason is that it's unconstitutional. The first amendment, as well as the due process clause and the right to equal protection and punishment under the law are all violated by hate crime legislation. I also believe sex offenders shouldn't be indexed or publicly identified - this is also unconstitutional. Lots of people think that if you dont believe in the legitimacy of hate crime legislation, you're a racist. I am a VERY racially conscious individual, I constantly strive for equality for my fellow man, but I think hate crime legislation is wrong.
          • Monk22, on 04/09/2008, -1/+9all violent crimes are hate crimes fyi. im so sick of things being labed a "hate crime" of course it was, thanks for stating the obvious. pc *****.
          • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -6/+4Monk, FYI, many crimes are committed out of passion, for monetary gain, or many other reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with hate. I've already said that hate crime legislation is unconstitutional, but it's not "pc *****." The idea of "political correctness" - that it is contrived, and insincere, and ridiculous - is a piece of propaganda created by the elites in our society to propagate the divisive mentality that keeps them in power. You've gobbled it up nicely. What you call "PC" is really just respect for diversity of culture, race, and belief. One shouldn't offend someone else because that's the right way to behave, not because of "political correctness." I think it's also funny that you don't even understand the propaganda that you've gobbled up. It has nothing to do with the legal system, rather, the media and social relationships that some believe are stifled by the inconvenience of being constantly conscious of different people and making an effort to respect them.
          • Conwaysb0718, on 04/09/2008, -1/+3Andburn1: you talk about unconstitutionality and rights of the individual, but then firmly believe its the role of the government to dicatate who a person can and cant employ?
      • nominalgeek, on 04/09/2008, -9/+74Remember everyone, it's ok to be racist to white people! All white people are devils out to enslave everyone around them! < end sarcasm >
        These dumb ***** that attacked her should get whats coming to them... notice how she was protesting illegal immigration not immigration. Whats wrong with education today?
        • Jimbob200, on 04/09/2008, -21/+13And if it was a black U.S citizen who made the sign? Don't be such a moron, a U.S citizen was the victim here, not a white female.
          • nominalgeek, on 04/09/2008, -9/+27I wish I could take your position. Simply being white, bring a lot of hate on you. Living in the Bronx or Working in the Bronx (Bronx, NYC). Beside the fact you're in the same economic boat as them, they still pump out a lot of hate for you. Try being friendly in the South Bronx and see how much of that is turned back onto you as hate.
            If it was another Latino, Black, or Any race other then white, the reaction would have been totally different.
          • staticneuron, on 04/09/2008, -10/+10Really? Simply being black and driving through these rural areas of florida nets some pretty unsavory looks and attitudes. Maybe.... just maybe... It could be just certain areas that have intolerant people and shouldn't be automatically assumed for the entire nation.
          • nominalgeek, on 04/09/2008, -7/+13The fact is, white people are automatically assumed to be racist, closet slave owner, and rich.
            I had nothing to do with slavery, nor father, grandfather, great-granfather, great-great-granfather, great-great-great-grandfather, etc etc. Any interactions I've had with any black person in my entire life, and those interactions of close friends... We're always treated as such. There won't be any real discourse in this country until those who hate the whitey can stop blaming the normal white person, and just ***** blame the actual rich assholes that ***** not just them over, but everyone...
          • staticneuron, on 04/09/2008, -1/+2YOU are part of the problem. Just like those whiney people who automatically assume whitey is a problem are not representative of all blacks in america. Just like I have heard those blame whitey with blanket statements and judgements i see the same type of "woe is me I am the victim" mentality going on here. It doesn't matter what race you are but you 've got to get to a point where you have to stop pointing fingers.

            Yeah the media likes to inflate headlines but that is nothing new. Get over it.
          • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -4/+4Look, nominal geek, first of all, that's a gross generalization. No one is assuming you own slaves, and no one is assuming you're rich. There's resentment, yes, but it's not about YOU, it's about them. If I were a minority, I often ask myself, would I harbor animosity towards whites? Of course I would. Beyond that, the "any interactions I've had" comment is clearly indicative of how ignorant you must be of the reality of the situation. It may not be entirely your fault, but if you have no black friends, there's no way you could understand. Integration is the key to equality. You're right that rich white men are to blame for racism, not just whites, but the grassroots hate that arose after Emancipation has nothing to do with the rich. Sure, racism was designed by the rich to control the masses, but the masses adopted it in order to feel superiority and worth, as well as community. "Reverse-racism" is real, to an extent, but who was it that taught the black community the method of thinking that led to the generalizations that exist in the minds of many black people? It was the whites - the whites who taught them the divisive way of thinking about the world that led to "reverse-racism." Look, it may not really be your fault, but you don't seem to understand two things: one, that their anger is justified and understandable, and, two, that, as a white man, you're hardly a victim. This kind of "reverse-racism" will merely be an annoyance for you - it won't ever prevent you from getting a job, cause you to get arrested on ***** charges, or stereotyped as a criminal, an idiot, or a brute. As a white man, you'll be ok. Your focus should be on striving for equality so that this animosity fades naturally, rather than whining about how hard it is being white.
        • PopcornDave, on 04/09/2008, -6/+7As a "white devil" I'm wondering why my other "white devils" have fallen so far behind in enslaving the non-white races. I see so many of them out on the streets every day when they should be under our control. What the hell are we thinking?
          /extreme sarcasm ( for those too stupid to see it )
      • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -10/+75It wasn't because she was white, it's because she said something about illegal immigration. Because the vast majority of noticed illegal immigration comes from Central America, these statements can come off as against people from these regions - "You're unwanted & unwelcome in this country." It's hard for many people to separate these issues: policy from xenophobia, rule of law from misguided compassion.

        The beating and threats were criminal, and deserve criminal prosecution. But they weren't because she was white.
        P.S. Hate crimes are bogus, the law does not govern my beliefs
        • Fafnir43, on 04/09/2008, -8/+23Hooray, someone talking sense.
        • staticneuron, on 04/09/2008, -5/+10Thank you for putting some sanity back in here.
        • popfrogs, on 04/09/2008, -9/+11I've been to East Texas many times (I live in Dallas), and I'll tell you right now, if she was hispanic/latina/not white and made a sign like this, it would have been a joke. This was indeed racism.
        • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -12/+10Except they're not going around beating up and threatening every white student. So it wasn't because she was white. Like I said.
          • thePuck77, on 04/09/2008, -5/+7It was because she was white and dared to speak up about the bizarre guilt trip the "Latinos" (calling Mexicans Latin is like calling me Hyperborean...most likely a fable and who cares except racist assholes?) have pulled on America where it has become "racism" to point out the ILLEGALITY of their presence. This is concerted intimidation to keep people silent about this issue.
        • HubrisDeadPan, on 04/09/2008, -3/+12I also felt that the Latino/Hispanic group that may be fighting for legal immigration for many of their people already in the country illegally would probably view this as a setback for them. At least, they should. Attacking someone that expresses a viewpoint that you may not like is very counter the basic principle of freedom of expression in this country, if they don't know that then perhaps they immigrated to the wrong country. :/
          • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -2/+4Maybe they don't see it as immigrating to the U.S. but more of a Reconquista...?
          • andburn1, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1You're assuming they themselves are illegal immigrants... perhaps they were born here.
          • hypertension, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1@andburn1 --

            Stop apologizing for their behavior! They got together as a GROUP and beat this girl and threatened her with RAPE!

            Just because they were born here, or maybe even their parents, does not necessarily mean that they would go one way or another on the topic of illegal immigration.
        • jblen, on 04/09/2008, -6/+6"Because the vast majority of noticed illegal immigration comes from Central America" - really??? Must just be a handfull then that are coming from Mexico which is in North America.
        • Blandyman, on 04/09/2008, -6/+4jblen:

          Geographically, if you go by just the continents, Mexico (along with Nicaragua, Honduras, Puerto Rico/Costa Rica (can't remember which), Ecuador, Panama, and any others I missed) are part of North America.

          HOWEVER, this region is referred to by geographers as CENTRAL AMERICA. Because it's between North and South.

          I'm surprised you made it out of the sixth grade.
          • jblen, on 04/09/2008, -3/+6You must be one of those occassional fools Wikipedia refers to. Note that it says occassionally and not usually or always.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America In English, Central America is considered a region of the North American continent.[7] Geopolitically, it usually comprises seven countries – Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.[8] Mexico, in whole or in part, is occasionally included.
          • jblen, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4Blandyman, Ecuador is not part of North America. Equador = Equator which is in South America - Jesus Christ....

            And Puerto Rico (OMG!!!)... You should probably rethink teaching geography.
          • jblen, on 04/09/2008, -2/+2I suspect you need further convincing due to your sixth grade remark.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico - Mexico comprises much of Middle America.[62][63] Physiographically, the lands east of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec including the Yucatán Peninsula (which together comprise around 12% of the country's area) lie within Central America; geologically, the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt delimits the region on the north.[64] Geopolitically, however, Mexico is commonly considered a North American country.
          • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2I stand occasionally corrected.
        • mediatedthought, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Well said.
      • Spudster, on 04/09/2008, -0/+14First of all, if the story WAS true, they would have been beating her up because of her views on immigration, NOT because she was white. Second, the story is fake. She faked the whole thing and she was never attacked. Who is the victim now?

        http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8142322
        • TonyLocNE, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3wow that has to be embarrassing to the parents..
        • staticneuron, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1No no no.... This is an effort by the school officials, who must be ethnic, to continue this injustice to whites who are oppressed in america.

          Hmmm.... I wonder where all the victim speech has gone now?
      • buhbyebot, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4Ahem, she LIED.
    • bladzalot, on 04/09/2008, -9/+51This is the exact kinda stupid comment I would expect from someone named "ISmokesDaPot420", keep up the good work...
      • skaldicpoet9, on 04/09/2008, -5/+7Oh, come on now. Don't lump me in the same group with that guy....The issue isn't the girl's stance on illegal immigration, it is the fact that they attacked her in the first place. Nobody deserves to get attacked and ridiculed just because they have an opinion that you don't believe in.
        • griz, on 04/09/2008, -0/+3Exactly. If you have a problem with people freely expressing their views, you don't belong in America to begin with. Legally or Illegally.
    • JCougar, on 04/09/2008, -90/+4I dugg you up. She deserved to get smacked around for that idiotic poster. If I was in her class, I sure as hell be making fun of her. Then I'd kick her ass for crying to her daddy.
      • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -2/+46I'm sure you would, Internet Tough Guy™. I'm sure you would.
      • justjoehere, on 04/09/2008, -3/+28She deserves to be beaten and threatened because she did her homework?
      • consoneo, on 04/09/2008, -4/+31Why? Illegal immigration is a bane on society... We have social welfare programs to help citizens and these illegal immigrants, not paying taxes and not needing social welfare, are able to take advantage of those programs anyway, effectively just taking money out of our economy and putting none back.
      • JCougar, on 04/09/2008, -30/+5That's right! I am an Internet Tough Guy. See, you used to be able to kick someones ass for being stupid. Some of you may even feel like you want to kick mine. In her case, she lives in East Texas and created a poster that could easily be seen as an insult to some of her fellow classmates. Someone insults me or my mama... I want to punch them in the face.
        • RonBurgundy76, on 04/09/2008, -1/+20***** yo' mama.
        • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -1/+11Nah, I don't want to beat you up. I just want to digg you down, which I have done.

          I do like, however, your implied admission of stupidity - "You used to be able to kick someones ass for being stupid. Some of you may even feel like you want to kick mine." But I don't want to beat up people for being stupid - reality usually handles those cases harsher than I would. Anyhow, happy tidings, Internet Tough Guy™ Who Loves His Mother™.
        • dagnome1984, on 04/09/2008, -2/+8"Someone insults me or my mama... I want to punch them in the face."
          All that will get you is a prison sentence and rightfully so.
          • Pixelante, on 04/09/2008, -4/+2Don't be stupid and leave any witnesses.
        • Section1, on 04/09/2008, -1/+9How are you missing the threat to "rape and kill her" ***** you cougar, and stop ***** your whore of a mother.
          P.S. I am iTougher than you.
        • kawaiirobo, on 04/09/2008, -0/+3It's easy to hide behind your keyboard, I can make threats against you all day, and even threaten to your worthless excuse for a mother given the way you were apparently raised, but the fact is you never have to man up to those threats, it's pathetic.
        • griz, on 04/09/2008, -0/+4"and created a poster that could easily be seen as an insult to some of her fellow classmates."
          How is it an insult unless they ARE illegals? In which case, to bad!
        • thirteenthcor, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1YoU bez Stepz Of f cuz mah Nigasz GunaA comE and Hit Yu UpZ!!

          -mySpaCe MorOnz
      • logandurand, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1There are very, very few people in this world who truly deserve to be attacked like this.
    • staticneuron, on 04/09/2008, -33/+8What is this? Why is there some sort victimized sob fest going on here? All I read is that they attacked her. I didn't read anything about race being introduced. They most likely attacked her because of the sign she created. If she was black or asian would we still hear this bleating over a supposed race issue? Somehow I doubt it.
      • unclefire, on 04/09/2008, -2/+6"If she was black or asian would we still hear this bleating over a supposed race issue?"

        Yes
      • staticneuron, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1I wonder, now that it turns out that she lied... can her behavior be considered racist or is that a perversion of the system here?
    • jemka, on 04/09/2008, -39/+3"If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration." ***** you, punks.
    • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -3/+51I am a south American immigrant, and I am ashamed of what these people did. Those who assaulted this girl are idiots, and they cause more damage to "their cause" than one thousand signs against illegal immigration. Hope the attacked girl will add to his sign "proved fact"
      • robeph, on 04/09/2008, -11/+19You are not a South American immigrant, you are an American. end of story, but see, yuo came through I suppose legally. Once you're here, once you're legal, once you're a citizen, that's that, you are no longer "mexican" or "bolivian" or "columbian" or "brasilian" you're american. If you're illegal, you're illegal, I don't care WHERE from be it mexico, germany, switzerland, or thailand; it's all the same.... follow the law, no one complains.
        • josethegeek, on 04/09/2008, -9/+3Right, and you aren't Irish-American, Scottish-American, Italian-American, etc. LOL. Looser
        • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4Maybe he's an immigrant who isn't a citizen yet.
        • beccatalker, on 04/09/2008, -4/+5Fascist.
          Get over your patriotism. He can call himself whatever the ***** he wants.
          I like how you use quotation marks around the other nationalities, as though to mock them. No, wait. I don't.
          *****.
        • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -0/+5Actually, I am not a US citizen...
        • davidrools, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1spoken like a true diluted white american with no cultural heritage to speak of. not that there's anything wrong with that.
      • andbruno, on 04/09/2008, -1/+14We need to hear more comments like dizam's. All LEGAL immigrants I talk to are just as, if not more anti-illegal-immigrant than I am. Illegal immigrants hurt LEGAL immigrants' VALID chances to become VALID citizens.

        Illegals should be immediately rounded up and deported.

        Legal immigration should continue, however.
        • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -1/+6My legal immigrant wife (citizen since 1999) is very vocal against illegal immigrants.
        • datarefuge, on 04/09/2008, -0/+4I've got over a dozen family members who have legally emigrated to the USA. I'm all for immigration, just keep it legal.
      • Rikkochet, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4Sadly, he's absolutely right. "They" see this as protecting their honour and standing in the face of racism. "We" will start seeing it as an example that illegals and their supporters (and then probably anyone who speaks with a hint of an accent) are prone to violence and need to be removed from the country).
        Just great.
    • tracywood, on 04/09/2008, -12/+1I would reply to your comment, but I doubt you'd understand.
    • paintpro, on 04/09/2008, -0/+8***** you. Hide from the bad news if you want, but the world isn't unicorns and rainbows. Wake up, if no one hears about it then no one can do anything.
    • danarama, on 04/09/2008, -3/+3i honestly thought it'd be the other way around. east texas...protest...attack....you know the drill.
    • kmb1794, on 04/09/2008, -4/+1I thought it was because she said people who like immigrants don't love their state. Was it because she was white or because of what she said?
      • DavidS9, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1The way I read the story it was because she made a sign saying that if you loved America you would stop Illegal immigration" and it was a bunch of Latinos that beat her up and threatened to rape and kill her. And most of the comments are about if it had been reversed every minority champion and their brother would be down there trying to get them expelled but since shes a white girl it is getting ignored and buried
    • scorpionking, on 04/09/2008, -5/+0your an idiot.
      • friarcrazy, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4Wrong usage of "you're." Unless your comment is much deeper than I'm capable of understanding.
    • N1NTENDOnerd, on 04/09/2008, -3/+2I refuse to reason with a person who "smokes da pot"
      • irvie, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1This isn't about drugs, it's about someone failing to be intelligent.
    • Spudster, on 04/09/2008, -0/+30BREAKING She made the whole thing up!!!! Bury this story as inaccurate guys.

      http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8142322
      • Cowboy1015, on 04/09/2008, -1/+3Good catch. They should send that girl to Mexico.
      • shakbhaji, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2She did seem really calm during the interview. Not what I would expect after being assaulted and threatened with rape.
    • mysedai, on 04/09/2008, -2/+4This just in: she made the whole thing up.
      http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8142322
    • suzywang3000, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1you have the worst username in the hisory of mankind.
  • Toproq, on 04/09/2008, -732/+64I applaud the kids who assaulted that neocon racist. maybe next time she will think before she spews her racist drivel.
    • meuse, on 04/09/2008, -18/+162neocon? Maybe if her sign had read, "Defend Israel, Bomb Iran".
    • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -27/+512Being opposed to people entering our country illegally makes you a "neocon racist"? Get a ***** clue.
      • pintomp3, on 04/09/2008, -42/+6there was no such thing as legal immigration until recently. those entering through ellis island got documented right then and there. perhaps we should set up something like that on the southern border.
        • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -5/+32That is the most naive, absurd crap I've read on Digg in a while. America has always had legal immigration. We accept more legal immigrants as residents than any other country in the world. You want Ellis Island on the Souther Border? Is that a ***** joke? This is 21st century America, not 19th century America. There are very real security, health, and socioeconomic concerns that are involved with letting people immigrate into our country. It's our obligation to make sure that no one enters our country who poses a security or health concern or who is incapable of successful assimilation into our socioeconomic structure. We have a process for doing that, it takes time but it is entirely necessary.

          I don't even know why justifying such an idiotic idea with a logical response. I'm sure if you had it your way you'd just open up the borders and let anyone in who wants in without stopping for a second to thing about the very obvious repercussions of that.
          • Muyoso, on 04/09/2008, -3/+17Not to mention we didnt have welfare, food stamps, social security and all other sorts of social welfare available back in the 19th century, which modern day illegal immigrants rape to the point that legal citizens are denied service.
          • kawaiirobo, on 04/09/2008, -1/+8I concur, as well as posing serious health and security issues, there is also the issue of population, in the 19th century we were still a budding country, and as nice as the open arms policy sounded, it 1) was born out of necessity, and 2) when went uncontrolled, lead to many problems. For example the Irish got beaten and had stones thrown at them getting off the boats. While providing a land of opportunity is all well and good, this country just cannot afford such a policy anymore.
      • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -5/+18The US should only allow as many immigrants as the US needs, and pick and choose those who can contribute the most to this society.
        Allowing everybody in is not practical.
        • dolinski, on 04/09/2008, -2/+4but then who is to pick and choose, no mater how or what gets set up there is going to be some bias that will then be questioned and another media storm will ensue.
        • AbsurdParadox, on 04/09/2008, -5/+4Wow, thats ridiculous.

          If we completely end the welfare state, ALL people are valuable.
        • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -4/+1H1B1 kinda does it already...
          • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -1/+5No because those sorts of Visas are not for people intent on becoming citizens.
          • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -0/+3You got different types on immigration, permanent and temporary. if the US suddenly needs a bunch of mathematicians, and mathematicians from around the world want to come to work there for a few years, the H1B1 visa allows them to do that (and allows the company who needs those mathematicians to quickly fulfill that need) If the mathematicians want to stay in the US, they can apply for a permanent residency, and after the permanent residency is granted, apply for citizenship.
      • Hokuman, on 04/09/2008, -13/+2We should also kill the ones in America that are not good for anything and import some dudes from other countries... that sounds good doesn't it ?
        • kawaiirobo, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1 yes, we should, your logic is impeccable Hokuman
      • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -3/+4It shouldn't be based on what our country needs. Anyone who has the proper credentials should be allowed the opportunity--as they are now. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't evaluate individuals to make sure they don't pose a health or security risk and that they can assimilate into our socioeconomic structure successfully (i.e. they can speak the language, they know our history, they can find work, etc.)
        • thePuck77, on 04/09/2008, -1/+3Why, exactly, should they be allowed the opportunity? Why does the US have to allow anyone who wants in, in? Why can't we say enough already, the whole plaque on the statue was a bad idea, we need some time to deal with internal issues for awhile, maybe in a decade or two we will reopen the borders, but until then, so sorry? Why is the entire world entitled to America?
          • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -3/+3America was founded on principles of freedom. Denying people the opportunity to live here goes against the principles the country was founded on. By shutting the door you're essentially doing away with a defining feature of our country. America is and always has been the "land of opportunity"....it's been that way since the first days of America and it's part of what makes America great. Turning our back on that historical characteristic of our nation is foolish. There's no legitimate reason why we can't have regulated but unrestricted legal immigration.
      • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -15/+2Illegal immigration is a strawman. They in fact mean immigration in general.
        • danarama, on 04/09/2008, -8/+2also creates a whole new subclass to exploit and persecute ie "the illegals"...could be anyone and in fact windes up being everyone when discussed like this.
        • insertAliasHere, on 04/09/2008, -2/+6You couldn't be more wrong. *Most* of the people against illegal immigration have *no* problem with legal immigrants. Hell, I've talked to a few former Mexican citizens about this, and they told me that they wish some of the illegals would get deported. They said that they waited and went through the proper channels; the illegals should have to as well, and that the illegals are just helping to give the legal immigrants a bad name. This is from former Mexican citizens, not whites.

          I'm personally for blocking as much illegal immigration as possible, but speeding the process of legally immigrating up. That way, people won't try to come illegally because it is more convenient and quicker.
          • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -4/+1Well, In the country where I'm born there's a party who's against Marrocan people, against black people, against Jew, not about immigrants, not just about these people because of race, still, there are Marrocan people, Jews, black people voting for them. It's not hard to find someone whose not wel-informed, not here, not over there in the US.

            "I'm personally for blocking as much illegal immigration as possible, but speeding the process of legally immigrating up. That way, people won't try to come illegally because it is more convenient and quicker."
            I agree, if you do it the other way around. Speed up the process of legal migration, and THEN you can assume there's something wrong with illegal migration. Do you have any idea what 10 years of waiting is?
          • insertAliasHere, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1I'm curious to know what country you're referring to. But realize that the problem that your country may be suffering from doesn't automatically mean that mine is suffering from the same disease. And yes, you will still find some people who are racists. The problem is that even though these people are a small minority, they are a very loud minority. And, just like any stereotype, it can be easy to believe that they are representative of the whole group.

            But that's simply not the case here. There are far more people concerned with the legitimate issues of security, health, and the socioeconomic problems that illegal immigration poses than are concerned with the influx of brown people into our pure white society (this is extreme sarcasm for the terminally stupid.)

            As for the speeding up, I think that it should be done concurrently. And no, I can't personally know the feeling of waiting for citizenship; I'm not an immigrant. However I know some people. They came on a work visa and spent about five years going through the process. That's unacceptable. They are valuable members of society, not leeches. They deserve to be fasttracked. But we can't just open up and let everyone gain citizenship immediately, because of all the societal leeches that will bring in. We have enough of those who were born and raised here already.
          • zeabu, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1The country I'm referring to is Belgium. The party I'm referring to is Vlaams Belang, they're the biggest party in Flanders, 1/3 is voting for them. They're neo-nazi's, still they have a big share of Jewish votes. They organized "Europe against Islam", still there are muslims voting for them. They are of the opinion that "gastarbeiders" still are guests, and that they should return to their country, even when we're talking about 2nd, 3rd and 4th generations, still they have Moroccan, Turkish, Italian,... votes. They say that crime is race-related.

            You are saying that your country isn't suffering from the same disease, yet, making a neutral stance, not even an anti-racism stance, is enough for the crackers here to get buried big time. Maybe you're not a racist, but please, please open your eyes. It's not there from one day to another, it grows. And as you said, they're a very loud minority, but that's exactly the problem, they're so loud, and because we the left, the centrum, and the non-racist right are silent, they grow in strenght, because they think they're normal.

            Racism in Europe, and I think in the US too, can give you big problems, because being illegal, that's why they use a strawman. Only a very small minority will say "stupid *****", "filthy jew", etc. No they pick something that they know is not illegal, but still hurts people. Saying they're against illegal immigration is because it's impossible to accuse someone being a racist when they do. But since almost every latino family has someone who's here, or there illegally, it hurts the whole family. Some people are legal here (or there), do work, integrate, speak the language, even at home, but they don't have a tag on them, confirming they are. For crackers, they're Latino, so they are definitely illegal. That's why it's a stupid discussion, because non-racists can make the difference, but they actually don't care, and racists are convinced they're all illegal.

            "But we can't just open up and let everyone gain citizenship immediately, because of all the societal leeches that will bring in. We have enough of those who were born and raised here already." So, denying people, because there's a possibility they don't find a job, while there are people born in your country who for sure never haven't worked, and never will, doesn't make sense. Deport them too? I mean, they are leeches, no? Then the other fact is, you don't get services as soon as you enter the EU, or the US. People come here to find a job, mostly whatever. As stated by some that problems arise with 2nd generation, well plain simple, that's discrimination, and because of that having no future.

            Having legal and illegal immigration is wrong. If they work, let them. If not, if they're involved in crime, punish them, punish them hard. Make it so that legal immigration is far more attractive than illegal immigration is. Not as it is right now.
            If 2 out of 3 that try to reach Europe drowns, I cannot believe they do that just for leeching us. That's DRAMA.

            I'm ready to get down big time, but in a thread where the biggest cracker has 200+ end a normal comment minus the same, it's a compliment.
        • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -3/+5I have yet to meet a person (and I imagine there are very few) who opposes legal immigration. So you're wrong. The problem is with ILLEGAL immigration, not immigration in general.
          • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -5/+1"I have yet to meet a person (and I imagine there are very few) who opposes legal immigration." Com'on at least be honnest. You could say not everyone who is against illegal immigration is against legal immigration, but what you said is a blatant lie.
          • dan222555, on 04/09/2008, -3/+3That's a blatant lie? And how, pray tell, do you know how many people I've met and what each of them believes?

            Ridiculous...
          • metothemax, on 04/09/2008, -1/+2wheres the lie?
          • zeabu, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1You act as if there's noone against legal immigration, and that's a lie.
    • Picaroon, on 04/09/2008, -17/+227Free speech is only good when it's you calling people racists on the internet, right?
      • freedomkeeper, on 04/09/2008, -7/+15'Racist' is the playbook response to anyone that questions the rampant, illegal invasion from the south.
      • danarama, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1i think the conversation is about the issue at hand not whether she's allowed to speak or not
    • PolishLogic, on 04/09/2008, -21/+353Note to self: Apparently a having a desire to see people follow the laws of our country (especially entry to it) is now classified as racist.
    • exgop, on 04/09/2008, -24/+52The more people apologize for illegals the closer this country lurches towards civil war. Illegals need to leave and go back to their own country. Because according to the left in this country America sucks. Why would anyone want to come here
      • jonolan, on 04/09/2008, -25/+8Toproq probably IS an illegal immigrant, some wet-backed criminal who came into the US for no purpose other than to destroy it. If he isn't here illgally, he should be classed the same as those who are.
      • skidude72, on 04/09/2008, -19/+8Your an idiot... as a person on the left... i first off dont think this country sucks, it is one of the best if not the best country on the planet... that being said i do think our current administration sucks... and just fyi if all the illegals left or got kicked out our entire economy would collapse. everyone likes to bitch about illegal immigration, but they dont realize our country runs on it... because they are willing to do jobs and work harder for way less money than americans.
        • NoCt1, on 04/09/2008, -14/+5best country on the planet? Comcast charges 150 for decent internet.. Countries can get 100mb full for about 50 a month.. HA yeah we are the best.. LETS PAY MORE FOR THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!! GO AMERICA
          • thugok, on 04/09/2008, -2/+3To be fair to Comcast, probably $125 of that $150 goes to pay off politicians so they can continue to gouge their customers.
          • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -1/+7If your gauge of "Best Country" is solely based on internet speed cost... well, you're obviously a leech on society. Move to where your internet is faster bitch.
        • kamikaze87, on 04/09/2008, -2/+11@NoCt1
          Boo hoo! At least we're not getting executed in masses in the streets. Life sucks, deal with it.
        • akamurph, on 04/09/2008, -4/+6"Your an idiot" LOL, I stopped reading after that... Use proper grammar next time you'RE calling someone an idiot.
        • jch0075, on 04/09/2008, -1/+5Our country certainly does not 'run' on illegal immigration. It was FOUNDED on immigration, i.e. the melting pot of the world. That is very very different than millions of immigrants whose first act in America is to enter it illegally and violate its laws.
        • skidude72, on 04/09/2008, -3/+0A large portion of this countries agriculture industry does indeed run on illegal immigrants, and if the agriculture industry collapsed whats left of our economy would as well....
    • Armakillo, on 04/09/2008, -9/+159The racist one is the one who equates "illegal immigration" with another race. Stopping illegal immigration has nothing to do with the fact that most of them are Latino.
      • casek, on 04/09/2008, -1/+12BRAVO!
      • Fafnir43, on 04/09/2008, -16/+6In theory, correct. In practice, a significant proportion of those who care about illegal immigration would care a lot less if the immigrants were white. I would be very, very surprised if you could find me a single anti-Latino racist who supported amnesty. It doesn't mean everyone who wants to crack down on illegal immigration is a racist, by a long shot, but it is nevertheless a subject with intimate connections to race.
        • Azimuth1, on 04/09/2008, -0/+16Here in the UK, we get a lot of illegal immigration from eastern Europe. They're white, and yet it's an important issue to a lot of people here, who are angry about it.
          • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -9/+1The thing is: Anti-illegal migration people have more problems with African and Indian people, than with white people.
          • FairDinkumMate, on 04/09/2008, -0/+6And here in Australia the VAST majority of illegal immigrants are Brits that overstay tourist visas after deciding they love Australia & want to stay. The problem is that the public 'face' of illegal immigration is still a rickety old wooden boat full of Asian people sailing from Indonesia. Separating race from the discussion on illegal immigration is remarkably difficult & even more so when you have(as I'm sure most countries do) politicians willing to sacrifice a commonsense debate for votes.
          • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1@FairDinkumMate: Thanks for handing in a perfect example.
        • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2Nah, they hated it when the Italians came over, they hated it when the Irish came over. It's not a white/nonwhite thing.
          • zeabu, on 04/09/2008, -3/+1Never said it was a "white/notwhite" thing. It's racism. And that's something not static, in Europe you have Marrocan and Turkish people of 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation who are extremely racist against Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Ests, Lets, ... They hate as much as French, Spaniards, Belgians, Germans, ... do. Racism is not a oneway-road. You can be a black white-hating racist too.
            Racism is making an assumption of a whole race/nationality because of the misbehavior of a few. It's as some Europeans are racist toward Americans, thanks to bush, which is stupid.
      • case455, on 04/09/2008, -2/+17I don't want illegal Canadians down here either... does that make me a racist too?
        • ProfessorLX, on 04/09/2008, -0/+3im canadian and i dont want illegal americans in canada. the 19 year old legal chicks that come here to drink & club cuz its 21 to drink in washington i ***** love though.
      • captric, on 04/09/2008, -9/+3Absolutely correct, the real harm to this country comes from illegal Canadian Immigrants who want to do harm to the interests of the United States because of their radical jealousy of out wealth, power, and influence. Latinos just want to work here and raise families!
        • case455, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4My point being - if you want to be a part of any society, you need to follow their rules no matter where you are going or where you're coming from.
        • jch0075, on 04/09/2008, -1/+7...and use tax money set aside for my family in the future to pay for theirs even though I have been working here my whole life and they are here illegally.
      • j3utton, on 04/09/2008, -2/+9Wow.... I can't believe I just witnessed such insight and intelligence on Digg!
      • RomeyRome, on 04/09/2008, -3/+2I say everybody should start calling everybody else a racist. The more we use that word, the less meaning it will have.
    • bladzalot, on 04/09/2008, -5/+20Damn, that is the best group of arguements I have seen on digg in a long time, we are progressing :-)
    • Digger1218, on 04/09/2008, -6/+19Successful Troll....Is Successful
    • dizam, on 04/09/2008, -4/+33I am a south American immigrant, and I am ashamed of what these people did. Those who assaulted this girl are idiots, and they cause more damage to "their cause" than one thousand signs against illegal immigration. Hope the attacked girl will add to his sign "proved fact"
    • captric, on 04/09/2008, -8/+27Well it figures that you are from Portland Oregon - I bet your parents were hippies too. It is not illegal to be a racist until you act out your RACISM violently like the so called "Latino" kids did. You are an embarrassment to yourself, your community and your country. Get an education moron and while your at it - travel to some foreign countries and see who the REAL racists are.
      • bloodomen13, on 04/09/2008, -8/+3Being from Portland, OR as well, I take offense to that. Disrespecting someone on the basis of where they hail from is no better than racism.
      • RomeyRome, on 04/09/2008, -2/+6Portland is crap. Glad to be out.
    • Abestar, on 04/09/2008, -4/+18I'm so glad you getting dugg down because your a ***** idiot.
    • max420, on 04/09/2008, -3/+11Both the kids that attacked her, and the original poster of this comment, should be deported back to what ever country they came from. Because apparently, they can integrate into a normal western society, that values free speech.
    • govsucks, on 04/09/2008, -4/+8you need the crap beat out if you....and that will take a bunch of beating
    • moomza, on 04/09/2008, -4/+9Meet me at the bike racks at lunch, so I can smash your face.
    • acroyear2, on 04/09/2008, -2/+29Hi,

      I'll be the latino here and say that there's no reason to assume this girl is some neocon racist. You'll find mexican americans in texas (often fourth+ generation) who feel similarly about immigration.
      • insertAliasHere, on 04/09/2008, -1/+6You can find plenty of first generation people who have only recently become citizens who have the same feeling about illegal immigration. I've met and talked to a few. They (not a generalization, they is reffering to the people I talked to) feel like the illegals are giving them a bad name, and they feel upset that they spent so much time and effort to do everything legally, while some people pay $50 to ride in the back of a semi across the border and don't get sent back. They hate the fact that they are working daily to improve their English, and that many illegals refuse to even try.

        It ISN'T a race issue, people. There are a few jackasses who make this whole side of the debate look bad, but remember that they don't speak for the majority.
    • anoneng, on 04/09/2008, -14/+8I can only hope the rest of the school beats the living ***** out of those wetbacks every chance they get. In my school you never DARED to hit a girl, but then again beating on a girl is the only fight a mexican can hope to win, the ones in my school where pussies who fought dirty and lost fast, they're worthless, i can only hope this helps bring about more INS raids

      someone check these kids and their families legal statuses, quick!
      • Verbinator, on 04/09/2008, -0/+6Using this as a reason to investigate the legal status of the perps is a good thing. Calling them ethnic slur names doesn't help make your point.
    • gcnaddict, on 04/09/2008, -1/+16How about a diplomatic solution to the problem?

      They assaulted her for her stance on illegal immigration. The logical maneuver would be to analyze those who conducted the assault and their families. If any of them are illegals, deport them.

      Maybe then they'll learn to make a rational argument refuting a point they disagree with rather than threatening surprise buttsecks.
      • bieber, on 04/09/2008, -1/+2...and any of them who are legal immigrants shouldn't be punished? Let the lot of them stand trial for assault: I'm pretty sure immigration status tends to come out in court anyways...
    • Ricemanstm, on 04/09/2008, -4/+5Toproq, you're the classic reverse racist liberal dem moron. Congratulations on confirming the stereotype. May you get violated by rabid monkeys you small brained mentally impaired classically stupid *****-tard.
      • Toproq, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Um, liberals arent racists. Thats neocon territory.

        You= phail
    • Zlorp, on 04/09/2008, -0/+9I didnt realize that being an illegal immigrant automatically meant you were a mexican
      • brettmurf, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1This is in Texas. You would be 99.9% guaranteed to be right if you made that assumption.

        However, being Mexican does not make you an illegal immigrant.
    • cli006, on 04/09/2008, -3/+5Why do you west coast people insist that EVERYONE is a neocon?
      • hypertension, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Sounds like a typical Neocon retort to me!

        // joking :-)
    • Teh1337Pirate, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Did you even read the article?
    • doost, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1I didn't think 13 year olds could be neo-cons. Don't you have to be old and grumpy?
    • scorpionking, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4racist? please tell me where it says that she is racist. Look up the definition of racism, you ***** moron.
    • Indierocka, on 04/09/2008, -0/+0Wow you are a colossal monument not just to bellegerent assholes both liberal and conservative, but bellegerent assholes globally. Congratulations on having the most digg downs i've ever seen. I hope you get sodomized with a broken pool cue until you bleed to death
    • ZombieFrog, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1I doubt the moronic attackers have ever heard the word neocon much less understand it. I also doubt the attackers were illegal immigrants, again making them stupid. Mostly though, I want to see the other protest signs. Willing to bet there are others more offensive.
    • jenrzzz1, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1There's no way you can make a comment that stupid without being sarcastic. Or is there?
    • FlakeCannon, on 04/09/2008, -0/+0The beatings will continue until morale improves...
    • iamh2, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1we don't need your kind around here
    • carlieq25, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2This was for a history ASSIGNMENT! She had a project for which she was required to pick an issue, and protest one side of that issue. She chose immigration. It's a pretty hot topic in the US right now, which makes it somewhat logical that she would choose a current event to protest. So, that does not make her a racist neocon. That makes her a good student! If your assuming she is a racist by stating that "if you love our nation, stop illegal immigration" as she did on her sign, you are the one classifying those immigrants, they can be any race and from any country - she didn't specify. Does that not make you a racist for assuming she was talking about a certain ethnicity?
    • mewoot10, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2Oh my god are you evil. AND SHE'S 13 expressing herself. Freedom of Speech BITCH!
    • captric, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Congratulations Toproq - this has to be a new Digg REDFORD! -528 diggs in a mere one day and 5 hours!! You have some serious self examination to do if you want to be taken seriously at any time in your future.
    • Mybellegirls, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1It's thinking like yours, Toproq, that hammers in the fact that there is an arrogance to the ignorance of the law amongst a certain breed of illegals in this country. Act like you don't know the law and it won't apply to you? Yes, isn't that why the American flag was hung upside down BELOW the Mexican flag in California not too long ago...hmmm.
    • trickynumber7, on 04/09/2008, -3/+1last time i checked "latinos" and "whites" are part of the same "race"........
      • captric, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1NO - Caucasians and SPANISH are members of the same race. Latinos are Spanish speaking Indians of mixed breed mostly.
        • suzywang3000, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3oh, you terrible racist!
        • travis1982, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1I haunt you captric...I hauuunt your evil soooul
      • Zybergod, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Exactly. We are the human race in various ETHNIC GROUPS.
        • captric, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1That might meet with your "we are all citizens of the world" mentality but I can assure you that if you were to travel to Sudan, Darfur, rural Iraq, Mindanao Phillipines or even Korea thy will know that you are form a different race! And they will cut you to pieces for having white skin and blue eyes it doesn't matter if you have a Canadian Tattoo on your arm because or a flag on your back-back because MOST people in the world don't know that Canada is even a country.
    • suzywang3000, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2the neocons control the pentagon. that means your life is going to be full of pain. hey are ruthless dude... don't care about women and childern.
      • captric, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1The necons i the Pentagon actually HAVE children and many are women. They are in the process of SAVING women and children all over the world on a daily basis providing food, medication, and clean water all over the world and naturally doing just the opposite of what you claim, destroying the kinds of people who TARGET women and children.
  • JimmyTheClam, on 04/09/2008, -251/+325Uh oh!
    The lefties are going into "minimization" and name calling mode when they don't like the news.
    This most certainly have made news if a bunch of whites attacked that girl because she was a Mexican.
    • jonolan, on 04/09/2008, -25/+133Didn't you know that ONLY Whites can be racist?
      • ElbertF, on 04/09/2008, -12/+5That's racist.
        • Pixelante, on 04/09/2008, -1/+4Everybody has a right to be racist. Stupidity is not anyone's exclusive property.
        • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -3/+15There are some *cough*SpikeLeeAlSharptonJesseJacksonETC*cough* who have said outright that ONLY whites can be racist.
      • malex, on 04/09/2008, -13/+7Well, that depends on which definition of racism you mean. If you mean holding negative prejudices against people for nothing more than their ethnicity, then no, pretty much anyone can be bigoted. But the other definition of Racism refers to the laws and cultural norms governing a whole society, in which one group is established as dominant and "pure" while all others are treated as inherently inferior. It's foolish to say, in the United States at least, that any non-white group has held this position of superiority because... well, you know... history.

        Oh, wait. You were being a facetious jerk, right? Never mind then.
        • wiggles, on 04/09/2008, -2/+5According to your definition, no group has held such a position since the civil rights legislation of the 1960's-1970's. Some groups have been legally favored, though, through affirmative action rulings and legislation...

          Personally, I think we need to stop saying "us" and "them" and start saying "we".
        • hexydes, on 04/09/2008, -0/+5@Wiggles

          Completely agree. I don't care what color your skin is; if you are a legal citizen of the United States, then you're American. White, black, or any color in-between, that doesn't make any difference. And until WE can all figure that out, the problem is just going to get worse.
      • eyepatch100, on 04/09/2008, -1/+3Dugg for accuracy
    • theberlindoctor, on 04/09/2008, -8/+154Yes, lets debase this into a left/right issue instead of a non-partisan free speech issue, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

      I'm not your buddy, guy.
      • iwannagosurfing, on 04/09/2008, -6/+34I'm not your guy, friend!
      • bladzalot, on 04/09/2008, -6/+30I'm not your friend, buddy!
      • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -14/+6I'm not your friend, guy!
        • michelspc, on 04/09/2008, -6/+4I'm not your friend Buddy Guy.
        • bgrah449, on 04/09/2008, -3/+4This is pretty interesting to me. I feel like there's some hidden code going on above that I didn't understand - both those guys responded to +diggs, while I responded, as far as I could tell, identically, and got -diggs. I feel like a researcher surrounded by a band of natives, or a native surrounded by a band of researchers, playing monkey-see-monkey-do and not getting it. Anyone care to enlighten me?
          • MixMastaKooz, on 04/09/2008, -0/+2Recent south park episode. See comment below yours.
          • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1The correct response would have been: "I'm not your buddy, guy", bringing it full circle and giving symmetry. The pattern is pretty obvious.. Lemme try to describe visually:


            buddy, guy
            guy, friend
            friend, buddy
            friend, guy ...?
          • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Bah, digg comment parsing made that a bit harder and less visually descriptive than intended. My b
          • TheConman, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1you ***** up the quote, case closed.
        • mrgreenjeans, on 04/09/2008, -1/+3You messed up the rotation. Watch "Canada On Strike." http://www.southparkstudios.com/
      • UTKEngineer, on 04/09/2008, -4/+38This is not a free speech issue. Her freedom of speech wasn't curtailed by the school.

        This is a case of assault and sexual harassment (assuming all she says is true) and the school being unwilling to adequately provide for her safety as well as seemingly trying to sweep it under the rug by not allowing her to contact her parents.

        You are however, right that it's not right/left.
      • katienne, on 04/09/2008, -4/+9Actually, it seems to be more a "bad judgement of the teacher" issue. This is a monumentally stupid assignment -- what were the students supposed to learn?
        • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/09/2008, -2/+9That there are idiots in the world who don't take kindly to people expressing themselves through words or pictures. For a double bonus she should have put a cartoon picture of mohammed on her sign.
          • AtiimKiambu, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1I agree that this is the teacher's fault. While it's a good idea in theory to teach about the first amendment or whatever they were trying to do, it could certainly have been executed better. You can't have students make protest signs and then be surprised when they start fighting!! I'm actually surprised that nobody else was attacked for making some other really offensive sign.
            And to not let the girl call her parents after having her face smashed into the wall? The school officials really dropped the ball on this whole issue.
    • dmark77, on 04/09/2008, -32/+3I want to be the minority
      I don't need your authority
      Down with the moral majority
      'Cause I want to be the minority

      I pledge allegiance to the underworld
      One nation under dog
      There of which I stand alone
      A face in the crowd
      Unsung, against the mold
      Without a doubt
      Singled out
      The only way I know
      • skaldicpoet9, on 04/09/2008, -2/+6"One nation under dog?"

        I can only hope that you don't mean the bounty hunter...
        • dmark77, on 04/09/2008, -4/+1hehe. Total copy & paste job from some site on my part :)
        • blackfox026, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1 haha, good one! i totally thought you came up with that !!
      • pyronik, on 04/09/2008, -2/+4I want to think for myself and not quote ***** music
    • romistrub, on 04/09/2008, -9/+116***** your *****. I'm a "lefty" and this ***** disgusts me. She was entirely in the right, even if the sign *wasn't* for a project. ***** those reactionary kids.
      • chillypacman, on 04/09/2008, -8/+25He was also reactionary for turning this into left vs. right, as was everyone who dugg him up.
      • dracostimpy, on 04/09/2008, -24/+6Tell me more about this "***** your *****" leftist theory. I'm a conservative myself, but I find that quite interesting and I MAY wish subscribe to your newsletter. Can you clarify if the ***** that you would be ***** is pre- or post- defecation? That would help me greatly. Thank you!

        P.S. Are you by any chance related to John McCain?
      • mahdaeng, on 04/09/2008, -6/+1What marvelous mastery you have of the English language!
        • romistrub, on 04/09/2008, -0/+7I think my vocabulary is quartered when I'm in "Hulk Smash" mode. :)
          • mahdaeng, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1Touche!

            I think that happens to us all.

            :^)
      • Micetro, on 04/09/2008, -1/+0The sign was for a project *****!
      • bwdd, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1"lefty"!? "righty"!? Where the hell did this come from!
        • xptoast, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1I am right handed. :)

          /I know that wasn't the joke. Maybe this helps befuddle those to stop talking about right and left comments. Yay for not being an extremist for either side.
    • Fafnir43, on 04/09/2008, -8/+110I'm a "leftie". I think the students should be expelled and possibly charges pressed, depending on their ages. This isn't a left/right issue, it's a pro-free speech/***** issue and if you try to cast it as anything else then I think you need to learn a little more about politics.
      • cuco, on 04/09/2008, -13/+4I'm a lefty, and it sounds like you're one of those lefties that don't think before you speak. Her story is not immediately credible, the article says that there was "a disturbance in the hallway, Friday between two to three students" and if she was "attacked" by a group of students, sounds like she may be exaggerating just a bit. No signs of any witnesses to confirm that there was anything said of rape or killing her. Right now its just her word, and I say we let this story pan out before we jump to conclusions. I'd like to see a follow up.
        • Crabsinmypants, on 04/09/2008, -2/+8Wait you believe the school over the girl's account?
          The school had cameras and still do not know how many students were involved, pretty sad. The school failed to call the parents of the children who were involved in a confortation. Sounds to me as if the school was just going to sweep this under the rug, until the media got involved.
          Of course the girl will not know the exact number but 4 to 6 fist going into someones' face will seem like a group. So it does not sound as if she were exaggerating.
      • donbrodie16, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1if you think something this stupid wont be taken political then you dont know politics
    • imitationflavor, on 04/09/2008, -6/+51Latino hoodlums aren't liberals.
    • empraptor, on 04/09/2008, -7/+15Sexual intercourse your divisive ways, Jimmy. Way to divert the conversation away from the topic and turn it into pointless finger-pointing session.

      And as heavydada pointed out, this did make the news. It's how you found out, isn't it?
    • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -23/+8Yeah... this is an obvious case of racism. Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact she directly insulted a large number of people by saying they and their families hurt America and don't deserve to be there...


      Not saying they were right, just saying how she spoke her message was insensitive and offensive to many - including myself and I'm not Hispanic or an immigrant. Denying the suffering and impoverished is NOT patriotic or what US is supposed to stand for
      • showat, on 04/09/2008, -2/+11It is the right to "Freedom of Speech" not the "Freedom to not be offended". This girl is protected by the right to say what she wants, whether it offends people or not.
        • Chipboy, on 04/09/2008, -7/+4Of course, she does. And those boys were absolutely in the wrong to attack her. But the reason she was attacked was the wildly offensive message on her sign. I'm not saying she didn't have a legal right to do it, I'm not saying that she deserved to get attacked. But that is certainly the REASON it happened. It isn't racism or a partisan issue. It was a direct affront to someone's heritage.
          • fatlip, on 04/09/2008, -2/+5offensive? i'll tell you what's offensive: paying a ***** ton of taxes after working hard for my money, while other people come in here, dodge the rules and live for free
          • ChromaticDragon, on 04/09/2008, -1/+5This idea seems foolish. Is it really an affront to Latino heritage to suggest we should stop illegal immigration? Is it really inherent in Latino heritage that they all came here illegally?

            This was a class assignment to pick a topic of debate and create a protest sign for one side or the other. No matter what you chose to do, you'd be guaranteed to offend someone. Not only that, but one shouldn't necessarily assume the student actually believed the position they were representing.

            Heaven help us that we as a society seem rapidly to be losing the composure required to debate issues without devolving into lynch mobs.
          • Testiculese, on 04/09/2008, -2/+2What? Illegal immigrants are just that. There's no inherent 'heritage' there. I don't see any German kids attacking her. I don't see anyone from Africa attacking her. Just Latinos.
          • mahdaeng, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1[[It was a direct affront to someone's heritage]]

            What heritage? Do you even know the definition of the word? In case you don't, Dictionary.com defines it as:

            1. something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; an inherited lot or portion: a heritage of poverty and suffering; a national heritage of honor, pride, and courage.
            2. something reserved for one: the heritage of the righteous.
            3. Law.
            a. something that has been or may be inherited by legal descent or succession.
            b. any property, esp. land, that devolves by right of inheritance.

            (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heritage)

            Please tell me that you are not claiming that illegal immigrants (from whatever country of origin) have an inherited right to enter into a country in a manner contrary to its laws. If that is what you are claiming, you are being far more offensive to them than anything that appeared on that girl's protest sign because you are not only calling the present generation criminals, but their ancestors as well.
          • MixMastaKooz, on 04/09/2008, -0/+4Fatlip: actually, having talked to legal immigrants, this is what usually happens with illegal immigrants:
            They come up here to work and are given or told to make up a fake SS number. The employer, who doesn't care if they're legit or not, hires them, and here's the kicker: the taxes that are taken out STILL GO TO THE GOVERNMENT! He told me that about this happens half the time if not more. So there's a HUGE population of illegals that are paying taxes and getting no or little benefit from this.
          • fatlip, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1i'm not saying that doesn't happen, i'm just saying that what i originally said occurs quite a bit. and allow me to stereotype for a minute: is it not a known thing that illegals all house together illegally? i cant even tell you how many one-family houses we have around me that actually hold about 4-6 families. where are the taxes for that? and i'd like to point out that i dont think its the immigrants fault, they're looking for a better life which they're more than allowed to do. i'm blaming the corporations for hiring them illegally and the government for not doing anything to rectify the situation, in either direction.
          • mahdaeng, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1I see my heritage post was dugg down. Some people simply can't tolerate the truth. Keep on living in a dream world, diggers.
        • xenuxenuts, on 04/09/2008, -1/+10"If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration." That says nothing about hating Latinos, just that we should do a better job at requiring people to go though the proper channels to move to the US. Personally, I don't think any rational person can blame illegal immigrants for coming here. In fact, they're quite brave.

          However, that's not to say it doesn't harm the US. Personally, I say send the people that hire them to jail. AND if they're hiring them to get around labor laws because the workers are afraid and wont report things, send them (the people hiring) to jail for 10+ years.
        • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -6/+1I never said otherwise. I am, however, contesting the possibility it had something to do with anti-white racism (as the guy I was replying to was trying to imply with his "This most certainly have made news if a bunch of whites attacked that girl because she was a Mexican" statement).

          This girl was attacked because she was offensive, not because she was white. Apparently most of you people are unable to remember contextual qualifiers very well before replying/burying.

          Of course they were wrong for beating her, but implying it was due to prejudice on their part, rather than the inaccurate, insensitive and possibly racism-fueled opinion, doesn't seem warranted, IMO
          • hypertension, on 04/09/2008, -2/+0Ask me if I'm surprised that your avatar is an upside-down American flag.

            You may continue defending illegal immigration and these thugs.
        • mahdaeng, on 04/09/2008, -2/+1@smotpoker:

          [[This girl was attacked because she was offensive, not because she was white. Apparently most of you people are unable to remember contextual qualifiers very well before replying/burying.]]

          Uh, no. You were buried because the only person who would take offense at that sign is in the wrong to begin with.
          • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1Ahh, so then free speech/opinions *should* be punished without regard for fact or context?


            The sign is offensive because it tries to use something positive/good (love and patriotism) to support something bad (apathy and neglect). People don't come into this country illegally because it's fun, they do so because it's [near] impossible to do so otherwise in their situations.


            If *anyone* is faced with the choice of letting their family starve or doing something illegal that is relatively harmless, they should pick the latter and not be punished too harshly for it.
          • mahdaeng, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1@smotpoker:

            [[Ahh, so then free speech/opinions *should* be punished without regard for fact or context?]]

            What? Where did I state that? I must have missed that one.

            [[The sign is offensive because it tries to use something positive/good (love and patriotism) to support something bad (apathy and neglect).]]

            Explain yourself. Are you saying that upholding the law is apathetic and negligent? If so, you are dead wrong. If not, please elaborate.

            [[If *anyone* is faced with the choice of letting their family starve or doing something illegal that is relatively harmless, they should pick the latter and not be punished too harshly for it.]]

            I agree in part. If I were faced with those two choices, I would choose the illegal approach too. I would accept the reality, though, that choosing the illegal path places me in danger of punishment and throws me at the mercy of those in authority. Like it or not, that's the reality.

            Regarding punishment - what is the harsh punishment to which you refer in this case? Was the girl in the story advocating harsh punishment? Is she promoting the torture and beheading of illegal aliens? As far as I gather from the story, she is simply expressing her political views (a constitutional right, by the way), in a non-violent fashion, that our country's laws should be obeyed. Where is the harsh punishment in that?
          • smotpoker, on 04/11/2008, -1/+1@mahdaeng

            "What? Where did I state that? I must have missed that one."
            Right here:

            "You were buried because the only person who would take offense at that sign is in the wrong to begin with"
            When you excessively bury a valid comment with relative information/insight because at one point the poster interjects their opinion, it is not completely unreasonable to consider it a form of punishment.

            Your comment implies the rest of my comment is somehow invalid and deserves burying because it contained a subjective statement that you guys disagree with. You didn't say *should* but seemed to imply it was somehow very justified from your reaction

            "Explain yourself. Are you saying that upholding the law is apathetic and negligent? If so, you are dead wrong. If not, please elaborate."

            That is exactly what I am saying. Upholding unjust laws, refusing to change unjust laws and directly trying to prevent unjust laws from being changed is unpatriotic. We should be trying to improve the country and the world, this cannot be happen if everyone refuses to change anything. Furthermore, with the most unjust and immoral laws, our moral/civil obligation to change and/or break them becomes imperative.

            "Regarding punishment - what is the harsh punishment to which you refer in this case? Was the girl in the story advocating harsh punishment? Is she promoting the torture and beheading of illegal aliens? As far as I gather from the story, she is simply expressing her political views (a constitutional right, by the way), in a non-violent fashion, that our country's laws should be obeyed. Where is the harsh punishment in that?"

            Currently, the legal punishments are not that harsh, however there is a fair amount of illegal punishment such as sexual exploitation/rape, beating and sometimes attempted murder. Because the legal ramifications of illegal immigration are considered too low by a lot of people, they go out of their way to treat illegal immigrants (and sometimes legal one's by mistake or apathy) more harshly.

            While there is some room to strengthen anti-immigration laws and punishments, there is way more room to reform the immigration system as a whole so that decent people who are just trying to get by are not forced to do so illegally and everyone, not just American citizens, has a right to fair treatment. For some reason, many conservatives seem to act as if non-American's are subhuman and "get what they deserve" if hurt/killed by an american, despite having no way of knowing whether ti is deserved or not. This is the sort of punishment I was referring to, not actual mandated legal punishments but generally accepted/disregarded brutality and slow/unfair immigration system
          • mahdaeng, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1@smotpoker:

            Your statement in question is the following:

            [[This girl was attacked because she was offensive, not because she was white. Apparently most of you people are unable to remember contextual qualifiers very well before replying/burying.]]

            My response to that was:

            [[You were buried because the only person who would take offense at that sign is in the wrong to begin with.]]

            You are correct to say that the girl was attacked because her attackers were offended. I am correct to say that her attackers were wrong to be offended.

            You responded to that with:

            [[Ahh, so then free speech/opinions *should* be punished without regard for fact or context?]]

            Unless I misunderstand what you are trying to say with that, you are either attempting to protect the girl's right to free speech without punishment (in which case I would agree with you) or you are defending the actions of her attackers (in which case I would disagree with you). If you meant something else by that comment, please clarify, because otherwise, the comment is not congruent with the stance outlined by your other comments.

            [[When you excessively bury a valid comment with relative information/insight because at one point the poster interjects their opinion, it is not completely unreasonable to consider it a form of punishment.]]

            Ah, so are we to understand, then, that your aforementioned comment referred to endangering your rights to free speech? If so, I suppose you've never dugg anyone down before. That's how this system works, my friend. If someone doesn't agree with your statement (for whatever reason) they bury it. If they like it, they digg it up. That doesn't amount to punishment. You are in no way harmed or deprived of anything as a result. In fact, your buried statement remains for any interested party to read. You have lost nothing.

            [[...refusing to change unjust laws and directly trying to prevent unjust laws from being changed is unpatriotic. We should be trying to improve the country and the world, this cannot be happen if everyone refuses to change anything.]]

            Now that is something that you and I can agree on. Until the law is changed, however, it is our obligation as citizens to uphold it. I am all for change and for throwing down unjust laws. In the meantime, though, we must adhere to standing laws until we can effect those changes. Without adherence to law, chaos results.

            [[Currently, the legal punishments are not that harsh, however there is a fair amount of illegal punishment such as sexual exploitation/rape, beating and sometimes attempted murder.]]

            Assuming that we are referring to the plight of illegal Hispanic immigrants, you are correct. However, most of that punishment (i.e., rape, beating, murder, etc.) is inflicted on them by their own people. Read up on the wonderful people known as "coyotes", if you haven't already - and that's just one source of trouble.

            Does this fact absolve U.S. citizens from all culpability? No. There is plenty of exploitation on this side of the border too, which is why I strongly support all efforts to punish corporations, and other organizations or individuals, that employ illegal immigrants. Although many people may tend to have compassion on the illegal immigrant and at least silently applaud when he is able to secure work and send money home to his starving family, and therefore forgive the companies that hire such, they apparently don't understand that that kind of environment is easily exploitative. Many illegal immigrants live in constant fear of deportation or worse and their employers often use that fear to exploit them. Which is more humane then: allowing these illegal immigrants to be employed and potentially exploited, or making it as difficult as possible for these companies to hire them?

            [[While there is some room to strengthen anti-immigration laws and punishments, there is way more room to reform the immigration system as a whole so that decent people who are just trying to get by are not forced to do so illegally and everyone, not just American citizens, has a right to fair treatment.]]

            Again, I agree wholeheartedly. A human being is a human being and deserves to be treated accordingly.

            [[For some reason, many conservatives seem to act as if non-American's are subhuman and "get what they deserve" if hurt/killed by an american, despite having no way of knowing whether ti is deserved or not. This is the sort of punishment I was referring to, not actual mandated legal punishments but generally accepted/disregarded brutality and slow/unfair immigration system]]

            And where was that point brought up? Was it in the article? Was it in any of my comments? Furthermore, if you believe that "many conservatives" consider non-Americans subhuman, you have a profound misunderstanding of conservatism.

            Just remember that for every illegal immigrant that enjoys employment in the U.S., there is a hopeful immigrant waiting in line because he has the integrity to do it the honorable way. Illegal immigration is an affront to the laws of our country, indeed to our status as citizens, as well as to the honesty and morality of those who are paying their dues to go through the proper channels.

            And please don't try to lecture me on the morality (or lack thereof) of current immigration laws. I am fully aware of their shortcomings. I don't have any idea what your situation is - I won't even pretend to assume that I do - but I can tell you that I have family members and loved ones who have come to the U.S. both legally and illegally. I am intimately acquainted with the horror stories of both routes of entry.
      • Testiculese, on 04/09/2008, -2/+3How was she being offensive? She didn't say keep Mexicans from coming into the US, she said illegal immigrants. Swedes, Germans, Canadians, Mexicans, French...there are illegal immigrants from all over.
        • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -3/+2Personally, I find the thought of denying people who are suffering the right to take care of themselves or their families offensive, regardless of race/nationality.

          In the case of anti-immigration rhetoric in this country, 99% is directly aimed at Hispanics and much of it borders on and/or fuels racism. Anyone who has endured such rhetoric, or related ridicule, heavily or on a regular basis is more likely to perceive it is a racism or get offended, especially when it has direct relevance on family/friends.
          • fatlip, on 04/09/2008, -1/+2important addition: 92% of statistics are made up on the spot
          • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1Even more important: not all numbers/statistics are meant to be taken literally and large majority of those that are "made up on the spot" are based on imprecise observations or imprecise memory of real stats. They are still usually in the ballpark
          • hypertension, on 04/09/2008, -1/+2It's not the US's responsibility to take in EVERYONE in the world who is suffering, especially if they want to come in illegally and without respect for the laws of the land.

            You only say it's racism because it has the worst connotation, and it's easier to make a personal attack than to explain why it's good to have millions of people flooding illegally over the border.


          • smotpoker, on 04/09/2008, -1/+1"especially if they want to come in illegally" - You assume they *want* to do something that is pretty much a requirement to feed their kids? Not everyone does stuff because they *want* to, sometimes (usually, in t