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Eamon's stand for America - By Melanie Morgan
worldnetdaily.com — I don't know how she does it, but once again, I had those huge tears rolling down my cheeks as I read this. I am submitting this article for Eamon, for whom I have the utmost respect, and want to thank him for his service for his country, for keeping us free. As for the Bezerkely City Council and their minions? You rotten, cowardly bastards!!!!
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- alanhlake, on 02/15/2008, -2/+21To Johnny2k's remarks, I say "Amen, brother!"
- Darel99, on 02/15/2008, -9/+9I have great respect for our troops... I have family members who currently range from "private to one general" I was part of a unique plan myself..... We should all support our troops but we should also support them not only in compat but also when they return home. One of my relatives served in the frst gulf war and his reward to his nation came in a from of a letter he recieved less then three years ago notifiying him that he was part of an expermint with biological weapons since his return home he has had 8 children six of them still born the two children born alive are both deformed. His back looks like small open wounds and has been since the gulf war.. They told him it would heal and years later is has only began to heal by 50%. Between his open wounds, still born children and deformed son and daughter the gov offered no answers as to his issues. He claimed he was suffering from major medical issues they then moved him to a ward that delt with mental issues.... but the letter his wife received was all the confirmation she needed and our family needed to confirm one should never trust our gov at all.
My other family member lost his leg in nam and part of his right arm and last year they reduced his payout I now send him funds which make up for the loss he was use to in order for him to remain independant there was no other option.
So while I support the troops I do not and I repeat do not support our gov on many issues... A few years ago a pro-war leader was later exposed as a paid member of the CIA... Six months ago in South carolina another pro-troop leader was exposed as a disinfo agent to support Bush admin and later stepped down... So, I'm very concerned when I read articles such as Mealine Morgan where she storms out of her radio show to support the tropps.... By the way the South Carolina pro-troop leader has his own radio show as well.... It's come out the anderson cooper is also a CIA backed news men.
Maybe it's time to request a FOI request on Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mealani Morgan, and hundreds others just to see if they are on the FBI or CIA payrole..... If we have examples other others then how many more are part of the media that we just don't know are on the payrole of these groups?
think about it for a moment and tell me what you think?- PatNolan, on 02/16/2008, -5/+5I think you need fresh tin foil in your hat.
- johnny2k, on 02/16/2008, -3/+6I'm pretty sure that Darel99 listens a lot to Alex Jones and pays close attention to www.prisonplanet.com. And no offense, Darel99!! Please understand that I'm not necessarily agreeing with many of those things, but there a few subjects that they talk about that makes you go, "hmmmm". Yet, I am still far from buying into the majority of what Alex Jones says.
I voted for George W. Bush twice. I am not ashamed of that, nor do I regret it. And so, maybe he DID plan an attack on Iraq for a long time before 9/11. So what? I think Bill Clinton would have attacked Iraq if he wasn't such an ankle-pants wimp.
And for every conspiracy theory that Alex Jones can come up with, I can do one better. Like, maybe, there actually was a WMD program going on, and Iraq managed to ship it all to Syria before we invaded. It's plausible. In fact, I have always wondered why the Bush Adm. hasn't floated that possibility a little more. Maybe they just decided to let the various surrogates do it for them, since most people won't believe the Bush Adm. anyway.
And, no I don't think Bush/Cheney planned 9/11 or had any part in it. They didn't plan it or know it would happen. IF there is anyone else to blame besides Al-Qaida/Bin Laden, how about the Saudis? Gee, start a war, and get oil prices UP. Hmmmm..... Yeah, oil prices up - not at the pump, and not profits for Exxon, and the Bush family - but for the oil producers, as in Iraq, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, etc.
And could not all the Bush-bashing and war-bashing - all led by the very liberal left, by the way, who are not only Socialists and pretty much following the CPUSA game-plan - just maybe it is so that the Conservatives, the patriots, the God loving and fearing MAJORITY of us are going to look like greedy war mongers....
Yes, my friends, there is a conspiracy, and it's the elephant in the room. The main street America people seem to understand that we're getting screwed (pardon the potty-mouth, especially on the Sabbath and what should be a family-friendly day). Yet, they are just totally confused, mostly by the constant bombardment of the government/media social engineering indoctrination project. Yes, that one, the one that started back in the 1960's with the advent of TV. No, it started before then. Even before radio. I believe that university academia was the first Western Civilization institution that was "infected" with the leftist anti-God philosophies.
Okay, before I ramble any more today, I better go get my tin foil hat. I'm being bombarded by those various mind-warping electromagnetic rays from the UFOs. I refuse to be assimilated.- victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -1/+5Who is Alex Jones, and what is Prison planet?
- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -3/+4Well Johnny2k,
You suggest and imply I'm a consiparcy nut and offer a semi-reply to the issues I presented. Your approach is same approach presented by CIA trained newsmen/women so I'm not very impressed. I present issues which should inspire others to consider and I don't post issues as a game to play.
Based on the information and facts I have it's worse then I have presented.
For those of use who love our nation we must unite to end major issues if not most of you who laughed, giggled at my post will get whats' coming to ya.
Folks I have an actual internal memo from fox which proves they malupulate the media. It will be in my book.
Johnny, I respect your posts most of the time but this ws one where I must disagree with 50% of what you present. It's my sincere thoughts that I should never be named anywere within an article that talks about UFO, TinFoil, etc.
You folks need to realize the game is being played with the american people and you are in the matrix where you realize it or not..... Do you know why? Becuase the dept of Homeland sec can track every cell phone user or on start user and watch the blips on the screan and know it's you. Even the local state police in my area has the same equiptment. There not playing games- johnny2k, on 02/17/2008, -1/+8I really want to apologize. Some of my post was sort of in jest, or satire on what the others say about us. I really do not mean to demean what you say. To say I disagree with some of the things you believe would be honest. I am a backer of such groups as Move America Forward, Melanie Morgan's group. I believe that the surge worked very well in Iraq, and wish they would have done it much sooner. I am not for pulling out our troops immediately. I do not feel the war was wrong. I think keeping a strong military presence in the Middle East IS vital to our national security. I am praying that we keep a peace through strength policy in the Gulf area, and I believe that Iran is probably secretly still working on a nuclear weapons program. I have no doubt. There may be a time where we will have to take action against Iran, and I admit, I wish that wasn't necessary because of the cost of many innocent lives. But when there is a government that believes that they are doing something to bring back the 13th Imam, well, that is a great danger that we can not afford to ignore. Because then it may not only be the cost of many American lives, but also those of us left could be subjected to tyranny.
Those are some of my thoughts, Darel99, and it is where we would disagree, I am sure. But, maybe it is time we all agree to disagree, in a civil manner. And again, these are my thoughts, I am not an agent of the government. If I am, I sure wish somebody would send me a paycheck for my service.
Oh, and speaking of military service, the four years and eight months that I served in the USAF, I was in at the time that Jimmy Carter attempted to rescue the hostages in Tehran. Well, I knew a lot of the people that were killed in that rescue attempt. I was stationed at Eglin AFB, right by Hurlburt field where they trained for the mission, and then were sent over in a poorly planned rescue attempt. A couple of the guys killed were my neighbors when I lived off base. Anyway, Democrat Presidents really suck when it comes to the military. Carter messed up, as did Bill Clinton, in big ways. Under Clinton, our military was cut way back, as were the intelligence agencies. We wasted time and resources going over to fight in the Balkans (Kosovo, Bosnia). I think the European components of NATO could have solved the problem on their own.
And on the other hand, I am sure there are many things that many of us would agree with you on. We do need to all find a common bond, something that we can agree on. I am convinced that many of things are already agreed on, but we may take different tactics to get to those goals. Our Agenda: to preserve the American way, and to prevent tyranny. If this country goes completely left with the election of Obama or Clinton along with the continued control of Congress by the Democrats, we'll be in major trouble, both domestically and militarily. We MUST defeat the liberal left, but I do not know how we can accomplish it while we have our own disunity on OUR side.
Darel99, I would love to hear your suggestions, without being to one-sided, of how we can prevent what could face us with a Democrat win next November. Maybe we all need to all unite on that one goal. I want you, and Michael4lsu, to come up with your ideas on what we can do; but then, I will assume you will promote Ron Paul. That's okay, except that we can't put our hope in one man. It's time for a grass roots surge, and yes, we do need a leader, but let's do it from ground up rather than top down. Ron's run for the nomination was a great thing, as there were a lot of issues that have become much more important in this election, thanks to Ron, and Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter - like illegal immigration. But maybe we the People need to dictate what the agenda needs to be, we need to decide the platform to defeat the leftists from completing their take-over of this country.
And I will do my best to do a better job to stay more serious; sometimes satire is not the way to do it. Problem is that many people just don't get the "humor", and maybe that can be inappropriate considering the dire threats facing us.
Remember this, there is the common bond: God, Country, Family, Liberty. I am proud of most of the people I have chosen as friends, as I believe we DO have that common bond. Let's continue to share ideas of how to keep our priorities - God, Country, Family, Liberty - in tact. It isn't going to be easy. The MSM does their best to try to divide us. So far, that tactic seems to be working. Let us be proactive activists, but without any type of vitriol toward others who do not share our EXACT point of view.
Can we do that? Do we need a leader? Well, read Greg Laurie's column from yesterday, "Good news for ordinary folks". Greg Laurie stresses the fact God chooses common people to do great things. They're just people who come to God in their weakness, and say, "God, I need you. I can't pull this off alone. And if there is any way You can use me, here I am. I'm available." They allow God to work with them and through them in a spectacular, supernatural way.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie ...
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(Please excuse any typos. I just wrote what was on my heart and did a spell check, and that's all I felt like doing at the moment.) - johnny2k, on 02/17/2008, -0/+6And by the way, Ron Paul supporters, for the most part, I respect you, and I do feel you are patriots in your way.
I want to clarify a point that I was trying to make above. About leadership: yes, we need a leader. But I feel the more important aspect of the equation has to be our common beliefs, a unified platform. Please let me know if you have any questions about what I wrote a few minutes ago. - aerostar, on 02/17/2008, -0/+4Wow... I am a "Johnny come Lately" to this topic... I just now discovered this thread. I pray that I am not only seeing "part" of the issue. However, as a Christian & Conservative, I hope that rancor & pejoratives can be laid aside as we each champion our own perspectives.
That is one of the great assets of being an American...!
First I want to speak in support of Darel99, as it appears that (like in my old football days) there is the possibility that some may eventually just be "Piling on." As a school boy, I was always big for my age, and some of my classmates got bullied by older kids, so I wound up with a sympathy for the underdog, and became "The Defender."
So 2 things I want to state: #1, I do NOT think that Darell99 is inadequate for his own defense. I've followed his writings for some time, and believe him to be a sincere Christian conservative. I know that he is knowledgeable, articulate and capable of "defending" himself, so I don't want to characterize my "intrusion" as a "rescue operation." It is not. He is well capable, on his own.
Then, item #2, I do NOT think that either victorypup, rjwusa or Johnny2k are bullies. Again, I've followed their posts for some time, too, and believe them all to be sincere Christian conservatives. So I am not here to attack them, and/or "bell the cat." Not at all.
I just want to inject a sense of caution for ALL of us (yes, "us" includes ME too), as we disagree on issues. Personally, I think that I am in disagreement with Darel99 on the issue of WMD's in Iraq. Intelligence satellite photos exist (and have been available for public viewing) which show, mass movements of heavy transports, coming from several of the sensitive Iraqi areas... these shipments gathered into several (6, 8 or even more) convoys, which were documented as they traveled to Syria. It is widely believed that Saddam DID have WMD's & spirited them off to Syria. I think Darel99 challenges that concept, which is fine. However I BELIEVE the information I have cited is true.
Just because I disagree with him on this one issue, doesn't disqualify him from my friendship or respect. In actuality, he & I agree on a great many MORE issues, than what we disagree. I appreciate his considerable scholarship & study that he has invested, and his generosity in sharing the same with us all.
So, let's be "agreeable" even if we may have issues upon which we "disagree."
- johnny2k, on 02/17/2008, -1/+8I really want to apologize. Some of my post was sort of in jest, or satire on what the others say about us. I really do not mean to demean what you say. To say I disagree with some of the things you believe would be honest. I am a backer of such groups as Move America Forward, Melanie Morgan's group. I believe that the surge worked very well in Iraq, and wish they would have done it much sooner. I am not for pulling out our troops immediately. I do not feel the war was wrong. I think keeping a strong military presence in the Middle East IS vital to our national security. I am praying that we keep a peace through strength policy in the Gulf area, and I believe that Iran is probably secretly still working on a nuclear weapons program. I have no doubt. There may be a time where we will have to take action against Iran, and I admit, I wish that wasn't necessary because of the cost of many innocent lives. But when there is a government that believes that they are doing something to bring back the 13th Imam, well, that is a great danger that we can not afford to ignore. Because then it may not only be the cost of many American lives, but also those of us left could be subjected to tyranny.
- johnny2k, on 02/16/2008, -3/+6I'm pretty sure that Darel99 listens a lot to Alex Jones and pays close attention to www.prisonplanet.com. And no offense, Darel99!! Please understand that I'm not necessarily agreeing with many of those things, but there a few subjects that they talk about that makes you go, "hmmmm". Yet, I am still far from buying into the majority of what Alex Jones says.
- Kent4jmj, on 02/16/2008, -2/+6I think that the more subtle a distinction becomes the harder it is to grasp. Supporting our troops and having a sense of Patriotism are good, very good. Showing how these values can be misused by the powerful for their own benefit is a difficult task at times. For as Bush has shown us over and over again he believes that anyone who disagrees with him and his militaristic plans is supposed to be unpatriotic or even a "traitor." What a bunch of manure. There are very strong and valid arguments that show his foreign policy is seriously flawed. To hold with these arguments does not make one an anti ameerican pinko commie.
- victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3I have similar concerns about the Neo Con media empire. I worked very hard to have Rush Limbaugh put on the air in my area. This done before Rush was well known. He opened the door for what seemed to be a flood of "Conservative" support Media personnel. Their agenda did seem to be conservative until they rallied to support the Luciferian George Bush, who according to his own words "worships the same god as do the Muslims". My advice is to investigate the common thread that runs through the most of these lip jockeys supporting this Luciferian. Is there a religious connection that is not offended by a so called Christian claiming to worship the same god as the Islamic moon god. A religious institution standing by that belief, and supporting an individual making that assertion could be the common thread that binds them together. Just a suggestion.
- Navigator7, on 02/17/2008, -1/+3There is no link. If there was, it would be called liberal talk radio, but it doesn't pay the bills.
- PatNolan, on 02/16/2008, -5/+5I think you need fresh tin foil in your hat.
- moveamericafrwd, on 02/15/2008, -2/+21Thank you for your service to this nation - in so many different ways - Eamon Kelly. America salutes you!
- johnny2k, on 02/15/2008, -1/+15My ultimate respects for Ms Melanie Morgan, I salute you!!!!
She is a hero in my eyes! If and when she ever wants to go over to Iraq to visit the troops again, I want to accompany her.... whether it is security, my blogging, or video work, I want to go!- Darel99, on 02/15/2008, -7/+4Johnny,
I respect your thoughts but would like to see both of you put your efforts to stop the war and bring our loved ones home. There is no reason too be in iraq... Bush lied to us about WMD and the link to 9-11. As Christians once we are aware of lie then it's our duty to oppose the lie in this case the only way we can oppose the lie is to face the facts and demand the troops to come home.
I know eveyrone is yelling fould with extreme Islamist but when I presented Hannity with over 100 pages of actual gov documents which proves we have trained and educated terrorist during his recent tour he walked away as a matter of fact I walked beside him for a comment...
When will our Christian brothers and sisters awken to the fact the war on terror is a fraud... Just go visit the FBI website and find out what Bin Ladin is charged for to understand it's all a fraud and I'm not buying it and neither is my family who are in the war...- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -5/+6I see who ever is digging me down doesn't have the guts to defend there position... How sad.
- johnny2k, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3Darel99,
I've never had a problem with you whatsoever, and I want the rest of my firends to know that. I don't mean to ever be demeaning or down on your views. We all have opinions. Some will endure to be shown as correct, and some won't. We'll all find out in the end who is right or wrong. Most of us know that the Atheists will be wrong, and Christians will be right. No, sorry, not all Christians, though. It's really unfortunate for those that are "Christian in name only."
But I still consider you as a brother in the Lord. Even though you have never made me as a Mutual Friend here on digg.... :D
In the mean time, though we're still in the thick of a heated political season, while at the same time enduring a brutal winter in many places like where I live, maybe it's just time to think more about each other, rather than the political views (well, as long as we are Conservatives). And you SHOULD like me, as many of my philosophies lean more toward the Liberterian view. It is many social issues and the war on terror that I would lean way more to the right on. Fiscally, I'm close to saying the Libertarians are right on.
But I do want liberty. Not liberty to hurt other individuals with no consequences, but liberty to live my life in a way I can serve my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Finally, Darel99, there is one reading that is vital for all Americans to pay close attention to. Please read Theordore Roosevelt's Inauguration speech. You can read it here:
http://www.johnny2k.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=501# ... (includes my own testimony... er, I mean, commentary....)
- Darel99, on 02/15/2008, -7/+4Johnny,
- johnny2k, on 02/15/2008, -1/+15My ultimate respects for Ms Melanie Morgan, I salute you!!!!
- rjwusa, on 02/16/2008, -4/+21DareI99 said; "...Bush lied to us about WMD and the link to 9-11. As Christians once we are aware of lie then it's our duty to oppose the lie..."
DareI99 also said; "....I see who ever is digging me down doesn't have the guts to defend there position... How sad. ..."
I dugg you down, and I'll do it again and again until you get a grip and repent from violating the Ninth Commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness." I'm not a big fan of President Bush, and I admit I voted for the man twice. However, you accuse the President of intentionally telling lies, which is blatantly false. If you persist in bearing false witness against President Bush, then it is my job as Christian to admonish you. Since you persist in sinning for all to see, I am forced to admonish you publicly as well. Paul teaches the following;
Corinthians 5:1-13. The apostle Paul seriously rebukes the Corinthians for failing to discipline one of their number who was involved in incest. Paul writes sternly to them, commanding that the guilty person "be taken away from among you" (I Corinthians 5:2). Paul does not encourage believers to leave the world by walling themselves up in a monastery (5:10). But he does warn that believers must not keep company with one whose doctrine or practice fails to reflect scriptural standards (5:11). He concludes the chapter by commanding, "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" (5:13). The disobedient brother is not to be allowed to continue his downward course but rather is to be admonished and corrected that he may be turned from his ruinous pathway. Until he repents, believers are not to have fellowship with him.
II Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15. The apostle commands believers to withdraw from every brother who behaves disorderly and not after the apostolic traditions. Paul does not leave the reader to wonder what those traditions are. The apostle clearly declares the traditions to be his own teaching whether by word or by epistle (II Thessalonians 2:15). If any brother's practice or teaching does not agree with the teaching of Scripture, believers are to withdraw from him. Lest any believer fail to realize the importance of this discipline, the apostle repeats the command in the same chapter. If any man will not obey the teaching in Paul's epistles, Christians should "note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed" (II Thessalonians 3:14). To allow him to continue in his error without trying to get him to repent would be wrong and unkind to the man himself. Other Christian brethren are not to treat him as an enemy but to admonish him as a brother (II Thessalonians 3:15).
http://www.itib.org/articles/biblical_separation/b ...
In defense of Melanie Morgan, it is up to you Dare199 to provide evidence that she is on the CIA or FBI payroll. I have the opportunity to listen to Melanie Morgan on a daily basis. She broadcasts from KSFO in San Francisco, which is my local radio station. Either put up evidence she is a CIA or FBI plant, or shut up. You're bearing false witness towards her as well.
Your words in what you write and what you say about people from behind your guise of being a Christian and a veteran and troop supporter only makes it appear that what you say is suspect as being deceptive.
Furthermore, in doing a cursory look at what you've recently posted, it's rare if even at all that you post any Scripture to back up your positions. Meanwhile, anyone who knows me will tell you that I do use Scripture to back up what I say, when it is necessary. Tonight, my use of Scripture is necessary in admonishing you and calling you out.
If you are a believer, You are being exposed as a disobedient brother and I am rebuking you. Repent of your sins.
I'll pray for you.
In Christ,
Consider a similar decision made by President Roosevelt. In the period leading up to World War II, a group of refugee German scientists warned Albert Einstein that the Germans were building an atomic bomb. The project was headed by that country's greatest scientist, Werner Heisenberg. Acutely aware of the dangers of Hitler getting such a weapon, Einstein took this information in the fall of 1939 to President Roosevelt, who commissioned the Manhattan Project. America built the bomb, and later dropped two of them on Japan.
Many years later, Americans discovered that the Germans were nowhere close to building an atomic bomb. Their project was on the wrong track, and it seems to have stalled in its infancy. Some historians believe Heisenberg was trying to thwart the project from the inside. Be that as it may, in retrospect we now know that the intelligence that led to the Manhattan Project was wrong. But no one goes around saying, "Einstein lied" or "FDR lied." They didn't lie. They used the information they had to make a tough decision in a very dangerous situation.
The same is true of Bush. As a statesman, he had to act in the moving current of events. He didn't have the luxury of hindsight. To those leftist pundits who say, "Knowing what we know now, Mr Bush, why did you do what you did then?" Bush's answer is, "Obviously I didn't know what we know now." Acting against the somber backdrop of 9/11, Bush made a hard call based on an assessment of the intelligence provided to him. He may have acted in haste, and he may have acted in error, but he did not act in bad faith. Therefore the claim that Bush lied is itself a lie.
http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/01/23/actual ...- rjwusa, on 02/16/2008, -2/+17Whoops! I got my paragraphs in the wrong order. I wasn't able to correct because the edit clock timed out. Here is how my response should have appeared.
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DareI99 said; "...Bush lied to us about WMD and the link to 9-11. As Christians once we are aware of lie then it's our duty to oppose the lie..."
Consider a similar decision made by President Roosevelt. In the period leading up to World War II, a group of refugee German scientists warned Albert Einstein that the Germans were building an atomic bomb. The project was headed by that country's greatest scientist, Werner Heisenberg. Acutely aware of the dangers of Hitler getting such a weapon, Einstein took this information in the fall of 1939 to President Roosevelt, who commissioned the Manhattan Project. America built the bomb, and later dropped two of them on Japan.
Many years later, Americans discovered that the Germans were nowhere close to building an atomic bomb. Their project was on the wrong track, and it seems to have stalled in its infancy. Some historians believe Heisenberg was trying to thwart the project from the inside. Be that as it may, in retrospect we now know that the intelligence that led to the Manhattan Project was wrong. But no one goes around saying, "Einstein lied" or "FDR lied." They didn't lie. They used the information they had to make a tough decision in a very dangerous situation.
The same is true of Bush. As a statesman, he had to act in the moving current of events. He didn't have the luxury of hindsight. To those leftist pundits who say, "Knowing what we know now, Mr Bush, why did you do what you did then?" Bush's answer is, "Obviously I didn't know what we know now." Acting against the somber backdrop of 9/11, Bush made a hard call based on an assessment of the intelligence provided to him. He may have acted in haste, and he may have acted in error, but he did not act in bad faith. Therefore the claim that Bush lied is itself a lie.
DareI99 also said; "....I see who ever is digging me down doesn't have the guts to defend there position... How sad. ..."
I dugg you down, and I'll do it again and again until you get a grip and repent from violating the Ninth Commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness." I'm not a big fan of President Bush, and I admit I voted for the man twice. However, you accuse the President of intentionally telling lies, which is blatantly false. If you persist in bearing false witness against President Bush, then it is my job as Christian to admonish you. Since you persist in sinning for all to see, I am forced to admonish you publicly as well. Paul teaches the following;
Corinthians 5:1-13. The apostle Paul seriously rebukes the Corinthians for failing to discipline one of their number who was involved in incest. Paul writes sternly to them, commanding that the guilty person "be taken away from among you" (I Corinthians 5:2). Paul does not encourage believers to leave the world by walling themselves up in a monastery (5:10). But he does warn that believers must not keep company with one whose doctrine or practice fails to reflect scriptural standards (5:11). He concludes the chapter by commanding, "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" (5:13). The disobedient brother is not to be allowed to continue his downward course but rather is to be admonished and corrected that he may be turned from his ruinous pathway. Until he repents, believers are not to have fellowship with him.
II Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15. The apostle commands believers to withdraw from every brother who behaves disorderly and not after the apostolic traditions. Paul does not leave the reader to wonder what those traditions are. The apostle clearly declares the traditions to be his own teaching whether by word or by epistle (II Thessalonians 2:15). If any brother's practice or teaching does not agree with the teaching of Scripture, believers are to withdraw from him. Lest any believer fail to realize the importance of this discipline, the apostle repeats the command in the same chapter. If any man will not obey the teaching in Paul's epistles, Christians should "note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed" (II Thessalonians 3:14). To allow him to continue in his error without trying to get him to repent would be wrong and unkind to the man himself. Other Christian brethren are not to treat him as an enemy but to admonish him as a brother (II Thessalonians 3:15).
http://www.itib.org/articles/biblical_separation/b ...
In defense of Melanie Morgan, it is up to you Dare199 to provide evidence that she is on the CIA or FBI payroll. I have the opportunity to listen to Melanie Morgan on a daily basis. She broadcasts from KSFO in San Francisco, which is my local radio station. Either put up evidence she is a CIA or FBI plant, or shut up. You're bearing false witness towards her as well.
Your words in what you write and what you say about people from behind your guise of being a Christian and a veteran and troop supporter only makes it appear that what you say is suspect as being deceptive.
Furthermore, in doing a cursory look at what you've recently posted, it's rare if even at all that you post any Scripture to back up your positions. Meanwhile, anyone who knows me will tell you that I do use Scripture to back up what I say, when it is necessary. Tonight, my use of Scripture is necessary in admonishing you and calling you out.
If you are a believer, You are being exposed as a disobedient brother and I am rebuking you. Repent of your sins.
I'll pray for you.
In Christ, - Indyanna, on 02/16/2008, -1/+19rjwusa - great response, both in content and also in attitude. Wish I could give you more than one digg!
Also, the Einstein/Roosevelt example - thumbs up again. *talking to myself* "Now why didn't I think of that?" :-) - jsnethen, on 02/16/2008, -4/+4And if, before Bush's WMD misadventure, Hussein had forced Austria to unify with Iraq, had annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, had ordered the Republican Guard into Prague, had signed a non-aggression pact with Russia, had agreed to partition Poland with Russia, had invaded Poland, and had been in a declared war with France and Britain, then not only would have Bush's decision been similar to Roosevelt's decision in 1939, it would have been darn near identical.
- victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -0/+7Extremely astute observation. Mixing oil with water, or apples with oranges doesn't make the point nearly as well.
- victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -0/+2rjwusa, I support you in many of your posts but I must respectivly disagree with some of your argument. 1 Corinthians 5:11 'But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.' This scripture you sighted above points out different reasons to NOT associate with somebody calling themselves a believer. In reference to George Bush, a man claiming that all religions pray to the same god, the word Idolatry launches itself onto the canvas of my thinking. Much scripture exorts us that, "there is only one God. The New Covenant, given by the Testement of Christ's own Blood, declares that there is only "one" door, "one" name given whereby we must be saved. If one claims that many, and or all religions pray to the same god, and by those prayers are brought through the door, the one door, that opens by the one name. I'm sorry, that individual doesn't have the slightest clue about which he speaks. Is one making that claim a Brother? No.
- rjwusa, on 02/16/2008, -1/+11I understand where you come from and I question Bush's sincerity in his walk with the Lord, if there is a walk at all. However, relating to this thread, my beef isn't with Bush. My beef is with DareI99 and what he posts not only about Bush allegedly lying, but about true patriots such as Melanie Morgan being on the payroll of the FBI or CIA. I've addressed Bush and his actions on other threads and it is well known how I feel about him. What I cannot allow to stand rare the actions of the trolls on digg who attempt to masquerade as Christians, or who try to hide behind labeling themselves as Christian or as a conservative while making a complete ass of them self while posing as such.
Victorypup, I know you as a decent bloke on digg, and I respect you regardless if you disagree with me or not. I do think your disagreement with me is within a context that does not apply to this immediate thread though. Perhaps we're both reading too much into this. Regardless, we're both still on the same side, and I still love ya anyway! /big sloppy kiss!
Cheers.- victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -0/+10I respect you as well my brother. I grabbed a towel, but thank you rjwusa, I don't see any FBI or CIA connection either. I do however see much of what has been done with Bush as an over all package, the packaging could itself be called a lie. As to Bush's claim of WMD's, well, I do believe there could have been WMD's in Iraq. The Russians could have moved them before we got there. We may never know. There was a lot of news chatter as to Russian military advisors being in Iraq prior to our invasion.
- rjwusa, on 02/16/2008, -1/+11I understand where you come from and I question Bush's sincerity in his walk with the Lord, if there is a walk at all. However, relating to this thread, my beef isn't with Bush. My beef is with DareI99 and what he posts not only about Bush allegedly lying, but about true patriots such as Melanie Morgan being on the payroll of the FBI or CIA. I've addressed Bush and his actions on other threads and it is well known how I feel about him. What I cannot allow to stand rare the actions of the trolls on digg who attempt to masquerade as Christians, or who try to hide behind labeling themselves as Christian or as a conservative while making a complete ass of them self while posing as such.
- rjwusa, on 02/16/2008, -2/+17Whoops! I got my paragraphs in the wrong order. I wasn't able to correct because the edit clock timed out. Here is how my response should have appeared.
- XNihil0Zer0, on 02/16/2008, -14/+4RJWUSA I know your jingo brain must have filtered this one out, but Bush/Cheney/Administration officials did lie to us about Iraq. http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ His administration made 935 lies and misstatements to get enough support from the congress and the American public to go to war. It was not faulty intelligence that everyone just went along with, there was an effort on the part of the Bush administration to ramp up the push for war far beyond any evidence against Saddam. former CIA director George Tenet said that on several occasions he tried to correct the vice presidents public misstatements. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980 ... Cheney was citing a memorandum by Douglas Feith, which laid a clear connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. The only problem is that this memorandum, In the view of Tenet was "Complete Crap". Treasury secretary Paul O'Neill said “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11. “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minute ... You can't claim Bush did not have hindsight when he never looked forward in the first place. Oh, and Bush violated the 9th commandment by lying about Saddam to get this nation into a war.
- InRussetShadows, on 02/16/2008, -3/+12There are no 935 lies, and you demonstrate bad faith in arguing.
- XNihil0Zer0, on 02/16/2008, -11/+3You demonstrate nothing by arguing nothing.
- XNihil0Zer0, on 02/16/2008, -11/+2You're right there aren't 935 lies, your reading comprehension will be at a 2nd grade level in no time. There are 935 LIES and MISSTATEMENTS.
- InRussetShadows, on 02/16/2008, -3/+12There are no 935 lies, and you demonstrate bad faith in arguing.
- InRussetShadows, on 02/16/2008, -5/+13Well Darel99? I'm waiting to hear your defense of lying. And for the record, I dig down and don't bother to respond to flamebait, which your post is a hallmark example of.
- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -6/+4Hi Russet,
Your name calling only callls into question your abiltity to communicate. Read my post.
- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -6/+4Hi Russet,
- kemojr, on 02/16/2008, -2/+17Look at the rest of the world, or a large portion of it, willing to cave in to the demands of radical fundamentalists. This is not about Saddam Hussein anymore, its about survival of our republic. The only way to defeat these fanatics is by force of arms and we should respect the people doing the work. The mothers of slain soldiers should not have to put up with abuse and threats. Any person with civil manners should treat them decently and not act like a bunch of ravenous dogs.
- johnny2k, on 02/16/2008, -0/+8Sorry, I inadvertently hit the digg-down button. My bad. I actually love what you sad. You are absolutely correct. Sorry, man, for my uncoordinated muscles.... Hey everyone, please digg up kemojr's comment. Thanks.
- johnny2k, on 02/16/2008, -0/+6Kenny, as my sincere request for you to forgive me for my boo-boo I added you as a friend, and I hope you reciprocate.
Also, when I said, "I actually love what you sad." that s/b "I actually love what you said." - victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -1/+5I dugg you up Kemoir, I certainly agree that our fighting men and women should be honored. The misuse of their purpose by those in command should not be charged against them. In fact, those who have prosecuted our men and women for following orders should be in review. It really has never been about Saddam Hussein. He was just an early prop, somebody to focus on as the bad guy. The real bad guy has been miss labeled by the label mouth as the "great religion of peace". As you indicate a large portion of the world is ready to cave in to the demands of that miss labeled enemy. Representatives of the enemy are sending millions of dollars around the world to establish terrorist training facilities and logistic support systems for the battle they have planned, and instead of drawing a line our leaders throw open the gate and aid them with our tax dollars. Idiocy reigns in the affairs of this rebellious people. The Wahhabi's that are setting up these facilities through out the USA are dancing buddies with this administration. The war on terror is a pathetic joke, the punch line is coming, and the jokes on us.
- MamaBearFR, on 02/16/2008, -1/+16I thank God for our Marines for the job they do, and God bless Melanie Morgan and the patriots who make up Move America Forward! I had the pleasure of meeting Melanie several years ago at a FreeRepublic function in Central California.
I know the Marines will keep doing what they do so well, regardless of the viciousness shown towards them by these hateful anti-American malcontents, and I have no doubt that Melanie and Move American Forward will also keeping doing what they've been doing so well. God bless them all in their efforts to support our fine military, and I ask God to forgive those who show such hatred towards our men and women in uniform, for they know not what they do. I, however, cannot and will not. Not while brave Americans are risking their lives fighting this war on terrorism.
Sign me the proud wife, daughter, and mother of American military veterans. My heroes wear camouflage! - victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -1/+14I listen to Melanie Morgan and Lee Rogers if I'm in the Bay Area. Always enjoy their show. If I remember right they left KGO some time ago. KGO is a liberal hi powered radio station that had until recently carried a Pedophile Jesuit Priest, Burnie Ward. Burnie Ward had a show on Sunday morning called God Talk. The only god he knows anything about is "the god of this world", They busted him recently for exchanging child pornography. I never did hear the story of how Lee came to leave KGO.
- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -9/+6Hi rjwuse,
I have been informed you have sent a shout to many and call me into question... I wasn't aware you even posted your thoughts until I received an actual e-mail from another digg friend. I two voted for President Bush during both election cycles and regret having done so.
The proper way to rebuke a believer in Christ is to bring two or more believers and to present your concerns and it's undermining when you present the same issues to the number of people you have in order to settle a dispute. You could have sent me a shout and asked me to respond. So you have offended the methods that Christ has laid our for believers with your dispute. If you don't realize it when you bring the issues before a crowd of people it only undermines me for a while until somehow i have proven my worth and attention to detail. So be it!
Let me make it perfectly clear to you and others. George W. Bush deserves to be impeached and I have singed my name for such action to occur.
I confirm I have not and I repeat not Bear false witness to anyone on digg, in my private life or personal life. In fact I have been in court to defend a fellow Christian in 6/2006 to prove they were on a side wake protesting an abortion clinic and not on the property of the clinic. I had to spend my own money and fly to CA to do so when I live on the East Coast. So I will defend my brothers and sisters in Christ and maybe after I prove my points on this dig that you sir will apologize to me and send a shout to everyone you did yesterday to announce you were in error. After all that is the way it's supposed to work.
Let me work from the bottom of your post to the top. Have you ever studied or worked in mind related warfare of any type? Are you aware of social engineering? The BBC reported on a few years ago that they uncovered a plot and actions from the CIA to infiltrate our MSM with current CIA agents and revealed some 60 newsmen and women were in fact CIA. Not long after the report it was determined that one of the popular daily newsmen was non other then Anderson Cooper, the same man who monitored one of the recent GOP debates.
Just after the war began Bush had his hands slapped by congress and the US State Dept. and was told not to spend any more mony on "Fake News" How much money was spent on fake news? 1.9 Billon dollars. The money was dispersed among major news sources such as writers from the NY times, WP, Fox, etc. In addition if you remember the resent fires in CA don't you? Do you remember that FEMA held there own fake news conference and used there own people posing as media.... Manipulation of the news has occurred over and over by our gov and it's a shame more people dont' realize the facts.
When JFK was shot the media reported overseas that JFK was shot but what's interesting is that they received the news 7 hours before he was shot.
Rush, has also been tied to the fake news blitz but no one can prove it 100% but what we do know is the earnings presented from his radio show in concert with his ad review does not match his reported annual income. So where does the other income come from? He claims limited income from speaking engagements which does not make up for his total income. When I went to a dinner he was present at I asked him point blank about his potential fake news involment he would not dismiss or deny it. HIs additioanl income either comes from the CIA or from the GOP. I'll have more on this issue in the weeks to come.... Connecting the dots is a process. Remember it is rush who now talks about supporting Hillary... How amazing is that to see?
In 2004 a pro war group figure head had to step down when they found out he worked for the CIA. The people of the group were completely betrayed by his involvement.
Some of the recent KKK uprisings in the last few years were in fact fueled by the support of an operative who later was CIA.
It been proven that the CIA has paid several talk show hosts and a similar theme does emerge:
1) Pro War
2) Christian based
3) Supports the propaganda of the white house for a strike on Iran.
Who's on the payroll well my book will cover the facts including gov doc obtain from FOI requests and by other sources. I name many names and my publisher is pushing for the third week of June. I will be happy to send you a free copy as long along with the others you sent a shout out too. the book provides details of over $200,000,000 spent to fund, educate and support extreme forms of Islam, war on terror, fake news and the lies of bush. So early June send me a shout out and I will send you a like to the site I will also have a e-mail link so you can e-mail if desired.
I can tell you I have not beared false witness with Ann or Morgan or anyone else. Why? Because each person fits the mold that the CIA uses. I don't know if she is or not but as I stated in my post "Maybe it's time to request a FOI request on Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Melanie Morgan, and hundreds others just to see if they are on the FBI or CIA payroll..... If we have examples other others then how many more are part of the media that we just don't know are on the payroll of these groups?
By the way I list of ten examples of popular radio and TV talk show hosts who I can prove are linked to the Gov. I know even though I live on the East coast I have listened to Morgan many times.... So we will see what the facts are soon. If I find that Morgan is I will confront her with the facts... Rest assured I feel certain Hannity and Beck are and I'm sure Ann is as well... Have you read her book's... She supports torture, supports detention camps, etc. She supports the neoconservative view points and has sold them for years now and our nation is worse for having listened to a message that opposes liberty and freedom and Morgan is not far behind. Remember a mixture of "safety" can never be mixed with freedom and liberty.
Remember I based my post on examples of prior facts and so Tuesday I'll go ahead and request the FOI request on 10 more and we will see what is listed. I think we as Christians should always question the media and those presenting the media especially when we have examples of manipulation.
While your pondering my points do you know what a Clergy Response Team is? Since you are concerned with the your fellow Christian brothers and sisters it's important for you to know about this issue.
In responce to your misguided scripture verses I'm a bit amazed you would use the ones you choose... May I remind you what you are accusing me of? You sir hav accused me of false witness but you imply a whole host of other issues which is sick that you would join such verses with my character of which is a waste of time to even address... But use of a verse which deals with Incest is just plan sick and I demand that you say you are sorry for use of such verses which once again don't even address the issue you present.
Nearing the end of my reply... Let's get right to the heart of the matter. Did Bush lie? He sure did and continues to do so and I must warn others and will do so every opportunity I have to do so...
So lets start with a few lies and if you need more then let me now:
A horrible story spread widely by the first Bush administration prior to the Gulf War about Kuwaiti babies pulled from incubators by invading Iraqis turned out not to be true. The current Bush administration may be also misinforming the public in its efforts to justify a possible second war with Saddam Hussein.
One example of misinformation, according to physicist and former weapons inspector David Albright, was the Bush administrations leak to the media in September about Iraq’s attempt to import aluminum tubes which administration officials claimed were headed for Iraq’s nuclear program.
“I think it was very misleading,” says Albright, who directs the Institute for Science and International Security. Albright says the tubes could be possibly used for a nuclear program, but were more suited to conventional weapons production. Government experts thought that too, Albright tells Simon, but administration officials “were selectively picking information to bolster a case that the Iraqi nuclear threat was more imminent than it is, and, in essence, scare people." (Source 60 Minutes 12-06-02)
Here's a good one which combines "3"
President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."
Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from developing a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a labor union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."
All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought. And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors was resolved long ago. (Source: Washington Post 10-22002
Do you remember the Harken Stock sale?
Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea and would not have sold it had I known."
In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity problems that would "drastically affect" operations. (Source: SF Cronical 07-05-02)
What about Poland's affirmation but Bush stated on May 29, 2003
On May 29, 2003, during a visit to Poland, President Bush declared that the U.S. had “found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. . . . They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two.”
On June 1, 2003, Bush proclaimed that “we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited.”
The Bush administration religiously chanted the contention that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction as its basis for a war.
For example, in his address to the nation Bush said the intelligence “leaves no doubt that . . . Iraq . . . continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”
What did the US and British experts conclude based above and what did the president of Poland Conclude?
A review by US and UK experts has found this claim to be false. The mobile trailers at issue were facilities to fill weather balloons.
Poland’s President, a strong U.S. ally with 2,400 troops in Iraq, stated that Poland “was misled with the information on weapons of mass destruction.”
Former Treasury Secretary O’Neil, who was a member of the National Security Council, indicated that “[i]n the 23 months I was there, I never saw anything that I would characterize as evidence of weapons of mass destruction.”
After ten-months of searching for WMDs, investigators have found no support for the claim that Iraq possessed nuclear, biological or chemical weapons. In January, the Bush administration quietly pulled its 400 man weapons inspection team out of Iraq “because its works was essentially done”.
David Kay, the chief weapons inspector, concluded “I don’t think they existed.” “What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the [1991] Gulf War and I don’t think there was a large-scale production program in the Nineties.”
This is consistent with David Kay’s interim report that concluded that Iraq’ capacity to produce new chemical munitions “was reduced - - if not entirely destroyed” during the 1990 Gulf War, 1998 bombings and 13 years of sanctions and inspections.
Even Donald Rumsfeld Defense Secretary Rumsfeld confirmed “I don’t think we’ll discover anything.”
In January 2004, The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace report on WMDS in Iraq concluded that the evidence prior to the war indicated that Iraq’s nuclear program had been dismantled and its chemical weapons had lost most of their lethality. In addition, the report concluded that the administration “systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq’s WMD and ballistic missile programs”.
This is consistent with other pre-war reports. For example, in September 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency concluded “there is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons, or whether Iraq has – or will – establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities.”
A Canadian military analyst also disputes that chemical weapons are WMDs, explaining that “biological and chemical weapons are akin to weapons of mass terror. They are military ineffective.” The Carnegie report shared this view, explaining that the “conflation of three distinct threats, very different in the danger they pose, distorted the cost/benefit analysis of the war.”
University of Michigan disarmament expert noted that “[t]his could be the first war in history that was justified l - Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -9/+5continued
One of my favorite lies from "W" was a claim he maid and it was on TV for days and days I heard it on the radio over and over was when In September 2002, Bush claimed an International Atomic Energy Agency report stated that Iraq was “six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon.” (SOU)
But what was the truth? No such report exists. A 1998 report concluded that there “are no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of weapon-usable nuclear material of any practical significance."
In 2003, IAEA inspectors have found no evidence of a nuclear program.
The CIA concurred with this analysis. In fact, its January 2002 review of WMD proliferation warned of a threat from North Korea, but not Iraq.
In addition, the vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council explained that the CIA concluded that Iraq would not have nuclear weapons until the end of the decade – not within six months.
Here is one more if you think Bush didn't lie.... Bush told the world that Iraq was tied to 9-11... He claimed that Sadam and Bin Ladin helped plan 9-11 he stated in a formal address to the people that he had 100% proof. At that time that was all that was needed for even myself to say go get them.... But in Oct 2003 on ABC TV he stated clearly that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. That was the exact moment that I changed my view of this fake war and demended from my pastor that our church lead our city in a call to end the war and that is why I noted his issue in my post that you had issues with. I will never be an apologist for the GOP
Now please tell me sir with all the information I have provided how you conclude that Bush didn't lie? I look forward to your reply and others who have doubted y intentions and sincere convictions. Please note I do travel all over the US as well as other nations due to my business so if you or anyone else would prefer to meet for dinner to discuss this then I welcome the invitation. I will be happy to bring copies of data I have to prove the points as well.
- Kent4jmj, on 02/16/2008, -0/+7As one who can only judge when the arguments and facts posted here are very specific and objective I salute all of you who are trying to do so. (Even then I sometimes have a hared time unraveling what is being said due to my own limitations. Please forgive if I err in judgement.)
May God Bless us. - victorypup, on 02/16/2008, -1/+6These are serious issue's that need to be examined. I don't hide the fact that I believe most every thing about George Bush is a lie. I don't believe that 911 was orchestrated by the Bush handlers, but they may have known something was coming. My suspicion was that the Russians were involved with the Nercerler activity in Iraq. I have had to repent of voting for Bush only once, I am aware that this brings with it a source for pride, I have acknowledged my need to be humble and repent, for not being guilty of twice voting to be Bush whacked. I think the Intelligence report on Iran's Nercerler development / non development is another quandary that we little people can only speculate on. Ahmedinijab declares to the world that he wants to wipe out Israel, do we believe him, or.....he was only kidding? The Palestinians are our partners for Peace? Saudi Arabia is an open and free society? The Sudanese Christians are safe from murder and mayhem? etc. etc. etc. It's now safe to leave our borders wide open to the world?
- BECoole, on 02/17/2008, -2/+4Considering all of the CIA's leaks meant to undermine the President, I find your hypothesis very hard to entertain.
- Darel99, on 02/17/2008, -1/+2Hi Becoole,
By your post you then suggest you can't trust the results of posted data and even the statements of president Bush? Why don't you just ignore all the other data and just use what the president has stated before the people then look at the actual results...... he lied and still lies.
I didn't ask you to entertain my thoughts I asked everyone to get involved and look into it for yourself. I mean when you have "W" who goes before the people of our nation and says that Iraq was linked to 9-11 then a few years later is on record by stating Iraq never had anything to do with 9-11 how can you conclude he didn't lie? Amazing....
- Darel99, on 02/17/2008, -1/+2Hi Becoole,
- Kent4jmj, on 02/16/2008, -0/+7As one who can only judge when the arguments and facts posted here are very specific and objective I salute all of you who are trying to do so. (Even then I sometimes have a hared time unraveling what is being said due to my own limitations. Please forgive if I err in judgement.)
- Kent4jmj, on 02/16/2008, -3/+7RJW and company I completely support you efforts to secure honor for our military. It is only right that we show respect to those who serve our country. What is happening in Berkely is disgusting but what do we expect from such narcissistic clueless idiots.
Darel I also salute your effort to say that we should not follow Bush's leadership blindly . Your atempt to show his lack of honesty has not been as successful as you might have hoped. But I don't think you are unpatriotic for trying to expose it.
Whether he actually lied in each particular case seems to bequestionable. However I think any reasonable reflection reveals that he had an agenda and shoved it down our throats. He wanted to invade Iraq and was desperate to rationalize it in such a way that congress and the American people would go for it. (There seems to be a similar move towards Iran) Part of that was riding on using the same justification, which was correct, that he had for going into Afghanistan. To fight a terrorist who had attacked us. But the same rational can not be used in the case of invading Iraq. For although Hussein is obviously a tyrant and dispecable he had not attacked us as Osama had.- InRussetShadows, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3And you want to deny Iraqi support of terror outfits, including Al Qaeda as well as the PLO. You see? Circular logic. You're going to have to do better than that.
- Darel99, on 02/16/2008, -7/+3My final remarks regarding this post.... As a nation we must define the root causes of our demise in the world market and take the steps to correct them. The strength of true leaderhip must never be sidetracked by blinked support of our GOP.
Another issue we face gleams from FEMA distrupting the good nature of our Christian faith to co-opt our pastors all across the USA. When the Clergy responce team began a few years ago there goal was to involve 15,000 pastors and now a friend who is a pastor who attented a recent meeting includes 50,0000. At the moment I'm working on a citizen's guide which explaines this issue and yes you will see actual FEMA documents as well...
While I'm at it I stand firm on my posts above and if anyone has qustions then please send me a shout or leave your comment and I will return to this post over the next few days but will not likly return after monday night.
To Rjwusa I tried to send you a shout but it appears you have to be the one who sends the first one. As far as Morgan well, she fits the classic concerns which a i have proven thus far with 10 other major media pundits. She also supports this war which should be opposed based on so many facts that it shoudl have never began. I find it very hard to think so many Christians have bought the lie but it appears they have.
If anyone ever has doubts or concerns with any thing I have posted then just know I welcome your concerns and in the end I have changed many views towards the truth.
We all must join to defend our nation and it's the duty of the Christian to oppose all evil.- aerostar, on 02/17/2008, -0/+3I have just finished reading through this long thread, and have seen that my friend, Darel99 has been, unfortunately, misunderstood by some of my other Digg Friends. I would like to help put in perspective some of my own thoughts regarding this ongoing “misunderstanding” as I prefer to identify it.
I believe every participant is sincere in their beliefs, and in their desires to help America. We have come (part way) through a rough, bruising and disappointing phase of the GOP selection process… and although pundits are making predictions, I want to join Newt Gingrich in saying that McAmnesty is NOT a lock on the nomination. So may God help us with our patience & faithfulness to our principles, and it may yet become a Brokered Convention… Then, Ron Paul can exercise considerable influence… so let’s not drop our guard, nor our hopes.
I have only recently discovered this thread, and see that feelings & biases are becoming quite edgy. I pray that I can defuse some of the angst & potential discord that can result.
First, I’d like to express my thanks to Michael4lsu, and his very informative contributions (below) to this issue. He is always extremely well informed & gracious & thorough in his treatment of sensitive issues.
Next, I want to state my confidence in & admiration for Darel99. Having followed his posts for quite a lengthy time now, I am totally convinced of his sincerity as a Christian brother in the Lord. Certain issues, have raised questions in some other good conservative Christian brothers’ minds, and I want to encourage ALL OF US, to stick together. (As Benjamin Franklin said during our nation’s infancy, “If we don’t all ‘hang together’ we’ll all “hang separately’.” There is a safety in numbers, and there is a strength in numbers, as well.
I certainly don’t want any of us to engage in the old “football practice” of “Piling on.” It is tempting for our “fleshly nature” to do so, but as Christians, let us reject that temptation & respect one another. As Paul admonished in Hebrews, “Let us live peaceably with one another, as much as lieth in you.”
I have perfect confidence in Darel99’s ability to defend himself, so I am not attempting to occupy a role of “rescuer.” Not at all. I just simply want to mention my confidence in him as: #1. a sincere Christian; #2 a genuine America-loving Patriot, and; #3. And extremely well informed student of current events, with special connections with intelligence agencies… which gives him a unique perspective on issues, that none of us (or at best, few of us) possess.
Since I've followed his writings for a lengthy time, and have even corresponded with him on our private email addresses, I am convinced that he is all that he presents himself to be, a sincere Christian conservative.
I know that he is knowledgeable, articulate and well capable of "defending" himself, so I don't want to imply that my "intrusion" into this discussion is a “necessary ingredient.” It is not. He is well able, on his own.
Furthermore, I do NOT think that the intentions of the several questioning writers was malignant, or intentionally damaging. I think they all were merely asking questions, & seeking information on sincerely held issues.
In each of their cases, I've followed their individual posts for some time, too. I believe each of them to be sincere Christian conservatives, as well. So I am not here to attack them, and/or "bell the cat." I only seek to be a Peace-Maker.
(Jesus proclaimed a specific blessing on them, and I need all the blessings from Him I can get!)
I would like to inject a sense of caution for ALL of us (yes, "us" includes ME too), as we disagree on issues. Personally, I think that I am in disagreement with Darel99 on the issue of WMD's in Iraq. Early Intelligence Satellite photos showed, mass movements of heavy transports, coming from several of the sensitive Iraqi areas prior to the breakout of the war. These shipments gathered into several (6, 8 or even more) convoys, which were deliberately separated, so that if one or more were interdicted, that some of them would get through to safety. Some were transported by heavy trucks. Others were shipped by rail. These were all carefully documented these “proofs” still exist today. Now that they are all safe & snug in Syria, we will probably never know EXACTLY WHAT it was, that was being shipped. But based on the type of sources of origin these convoys came from: bunkers, known scientific research areas, etc., the wisest speculation is that it was probably WMD's of Nuclear, Chemical & Biological Ordnance.
I think Darel99 challenges that concept, which is fine with me. I have no problem with my friends disagreeing with me. However I BELIEVE the information I have cited is true.
Just because I disagree with him on this one issue, doesn't disqualify him from my friendship or respect. In actuality, he & I agree on a great many MORE issues, than what we disagree on. I appreciate his remarkable scholarship & study that he has achieved. Further, I respect his generosity in sharing the same with us all.
Let’s let this be just a little “bump in the road” or a “hiccup” among friends.
Certain of that happy outcome, I’ll thank all of you for bearing with me here, and considering my thoughts on this important issue.
God bless you all… Semper Fi…! And, Cheers!
- aerostar, on 02/17/2008, -0/+3I have just finished reading through this long thread, and have seen that my friend, Darel99 has been, unfortunately, misunderstood by some of my other Digg Friends. I would like to help put in perspective some of my own thoughts regarding this ongoing “misunderstanding” as I prefer to identify it.
- michael4lsu, on 02/16/2008, -3/+6To all folks in the debate with Darel:
It is important to realize that your disagreements with Darel are based on minor details of a immensely larger picture. We're all presumably on the same side here in our opposition of evil, so it makes no sense to attack a Christian brother because you disagree about which mask evil is wearing. Evil wears many masks. If Jesus warned us about trusting false prophets who may appear to be devout Christians, is it inconceivable that someone in the media might be a deceiver or false prophet as well, even POSSIBLY someone like Melanie Morgan?
No doubt we all oppose evil. Evil works in the dark, in secrecy, corrupting, conspiring, controlling, dividing, deceiving, and destroying. Remember, Satan has dominion over this world, and Jesus' Christ's kingdom is not of this world. By the nature that evil works, it should be no surprise that the vast majority of people are unaware of the intricacies and details of the workings of the greatest evil agenda of our day by the Prince of Darkness, the Master of Deceit and Lies.
So just what is this massive evil agenda? The New World Order, the Master Plan, the push for a One World Government, the order that is described in the Book of Revelation where the world is united and ruled under the AntiChrist.
Is this just a crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theory? Absolutely not, because conspirators in this Master Plan have been documented as actually coming out and stating their agenda. The evidence is overwhelming for the goals they set and the progress they make. Furthermore, if you're a believer in the Bible, you may interpret the Book of Revelation as pointing toward a period in the End Times where the world will be united under one government and headed by the AntiChrist who will require all people to worship him. Whether the AntiChrist is one man, or is a certain system, who knows.
This agenda has been going on for many decades. There is also plenty of evidence that proves those involved in this agenda toward the top of the pyramid are Luciferian occultists. Once you realize that there are many people in power who support this agenda in many countries, the unexplainable or suspicious actions taken by these governments become more explanatory in the light of knowledge of their true agenda.
The NWO elite know that most people would oppose this evil agenda. This is why they work to deceive and indoctrinate people into accepting it through Social Engineering, which uses propaganda and manipulation of our emotions. They take advantage of our fear and our group-think mentality to make us except and even demand the "solutions" that they offer to the various crises. This is an old Marxist strategy of using the Hegelian dialectic to guide our thoughts, emotions, and actions into conflicts/crises that lead us to a predetermined solution.
The question is, would these evil tyrants go so far as to create their own crises for the sake of furthering their agenda? YES!!!
Is it likely that a Skull and Bonesman, Luciferian occultist, New World Order proponent like George W. Bush would LIE to bring our nation to war if it would support the agenda of the Master Plan? YES!!!
Is it possible that other European and Israeli governments and intelligence agencies, in their concerted efforts to create this One World Government, would also conspire together to lay down a case to invade Iraq if it supported their Master Plan? YES!!!
The claim that Bush did not lie about Iraq because other national intelligence agencies were all in agreement just does not hold water when you consider they are all part of the same diabolical agenda.
Folks, especially those of you who believe we need to stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to "fix it" and make us secure, I strongly encourage you to read this very thought-provoking article about the war in Iraq and what it would take to obtain victory: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Victory_in_Iraq_ ...
Darel is very wise to point out how we shouldn't blindly trust anyone in our government and media, including those who APPEAR to be on our side. You have to discern whether or not they are promoting a good thing, such as our national security? Or are they promoting a specific action that is questionable to our national security and more likely for the purpose of an evil agenda instead that is disguised as something good?
The problem with most people is that we are so easily manipulated because we first of all do not even ask enough questions. Some who are not completely apathetic do ask some questions, but do not ask the RIGHT questions. When we fail to ask the right questions, we will not find the necessary truth, and we allow the evildoers to indoctrinate us with THEIR answers to the questions that are laid down on THEIR terms. And we buy it hook, line, and sinker. Case in point, the war on terrorism: the elite have taken a centuries old threat, manipulated it, inflated it, strengthened it, and unleashed it on all of us. In our fear, our shock, our chaos, our demands to know WHO and WHY and WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, the NWO elite gave us their Hegelian answers that support their agenda. We can't take their word for it. Adam and Eve fell for Satan's deception. Haven't we learned anything from history?
Support wars that follow the Just War doctrine only, so as to not be deceived into supporting a war for an evil agenda (Iraq war does not comply with the Just War doctrine). Support wars only declared Constitutionally so as to ensure the support of the American people. Question the motive of everyone in the media, including people like Melanie Morgan and the others Darel mentioned. Ask more questions than the ones that answered by the NWO elite. Don't settle for the explanations that are fed to us by the Government and the Big Media.- michael4lsu, on 02/16/2008, -2/+7Oh, and if there is still any doubt that the Media might be involved in this diabolical NWO agenda, let's not forget this quote by David Rockefeller to the Trilateral Commision:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
And from his book "Memoirs", page 405:
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."- Kent4jmj, on 02/17/2008, -1/+5Nice. I copied and pasted to email to myself so I can use in future.
- johnny2k, on 02/17/2008, -1/+5Dr. Stanley Monteith's book, "Brotherhood of Darkness", really does tell it all about the march toward the NWO and who is behind it. I highly recommend it if you haven't read it yet.
I can not disagree with what you quoted above as it the Rockefeller family is just the tip of the iceberg, michael4lsu. Good job and I appreciate your comment. - aerostar, on 02/17/2008, -1/+3Megathanx for your many contributions michael4lsu... AND for your kindnesses shown to our friend Darel99, as well.
- USNavyBlue, on 02/17/2008, -1/+4Amen, Michael - you took the words rate out of my mouth.
- these3remain, on 02/17/2008, -1/+6I agree with your entire post regarding the NWO as well as the fact that the Bible instructs us that this will take place. Since as believers we know that it will take place, whether or not Bush, the "conservative" talk-show people, Israel , et.al. are lying may seem important but from the perspective of eternity, it is a moot point - at least for those who understand what is taking place. It is probably helpful to point it out to the millions of Americans who continue to be clueless but I am somewhat cynical that they will get it - they'd rather have a "change" and a "new direction" and suck up political rhetoric that is spewing forth like Hitler's Third Reich.It is inevitable that the One World Government and One World Religion is coming and will happen - because God said so. The various machiavellian machinations that will bring it to past are in place and being implemented by the CFR, trilateral commission, the illuminati, etc. As Christians, we are to be watchman and sound the trumpet, redeem the time that remains and share the gospel faithfully. Judgment begins in the house of God and since God frequently uses the ungodly nations to chastise His people, there is little or no reason to think that our country and the Body of Christ here is somehow exempt just because we live in a "democracy". The diabolical forces that are at work here and around the world are still all under the control of God's sovereignty and for that we should all be thankful. The US does not figure prominently in prophecy; why we can only surmise. We either are no longer a world power because we are no longer a sovereign nation or perhaps we no longer exist at all because of islamofascists. How swiftly this world continues to barrel down the path to the NWO and the return of Christ will be determined by Almighty God. But Christians in this country had better get on their knees and repent because regardless of what takes place in November, we are not headed for an easy time of it and need to encourage one another as the day draws near.
- michael4lsu, on 02/16/2008, -2/+7Oh, and if there is still any doubt that the Media might be involved in this diabolical NWO agenda, let's not forget this quote by David Rockefeller to the Trilateral Commision:
- Wolfpack46, on 02/17/2008, -2/+5STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT [IRAQ WMD]
CIA ^ | 10/02/03 | CIA
Posted on 10/02/2003 10:02:50 PM PDT by Pikamax
STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG) BEFORE THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE, AND THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
October 2, 2003 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I welcome this opportunity to discuss with the Committee the progress that the Iraq Survey Group has made in its initial three months of its investigation into Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) programs.
Well dare99 a little something to read about, by the way in the environment in which we communicate I do have to side with rj/he did well in using the Word, you have done nothing but refer to it and then back on the your line. I'm an old man been around for a while and seen a lot and all you have done is fill the page with allegations and no data, that is why I have added part of the Kay report, I like to keep little things like that around, they come in hand. Most of your allegations come from accusations found in the MSM, some a bit far fetch, but MSM none the less. I ran into a fellow once that talk for 30 minutes straight without breathing/amazing/but I kept thinking I have read or seen this same tech somewhere and finally I remembered; Mao's little red book. the same continues repetition and the use of allegations that some time sound and are over the top. The idea, to overwhelm your opponent with smack and get him to shut up/so his betters can do the thinking and deciding. Sorry, I don't buy your stuff specially when you start with the conspiracy thing. So lets get the official sites and pages and documents out, I have some/a few/
But this one is the winner: But in Oct 2003 on ABC TV he stated clearly that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. That was the exact moment that I changed my view of this fake war and demanded from my pastor that our church lead our city in a call to end the war and that is why I noted his issue in my post that you had issues with. I will never be an apologist for the GOP
ABC news, you got to be kidding, and all the rest are CIA agents. But only you have the truth, allow me to instruct, is the NWO coming, count on it, will you stop it or delay it, forget it. Is Bush one of them, who cares?, when it comes it will come and the only one that has a Hand on the outcome is Hashem.
Since you believe ABC I must assume that you agree with their stance on the Israeli Arab problem:
the edomites where there from the beginning and Israel invaded them in 1948, and the edomites have the right to the land given to Israel by G-d.
You need to read Epicenter by Rosenberg.- Darel99, on 02/17/2008, -1/+2I see you seem to know some facts... For example the MSM is filled with CIA agents... But you overlook an important point.. I didn't say that ABC was the ones who reported the actual facts it was Bush on ABC news who stated it... A big differance. So let's don't stretch what I think... I provided a fact and it's not up to debate. if you want when I return home in a few weeks I can find the clip and put it on youtube but I will have to search via lots of video so it may take me some time to find it. Others need to see it so it would be a good think to provide a link too don't you think?
No where did I say that I'm the only one who has the turth so don't discredit my stand. Got it?
Documents well I'm have a lot and a book which refers to so many documents...
let me get this straight I'm the good guy who by my own actions am trying to make postive changes for our naiton.. We should be freinds so don't undermine the future.- Wolfpack46, on 02/17/2008, -0/+21-As more data surfaces, the same thing becomes more evident/MSM has a very special agenda, misinformation and the ascribing of statements to individuals for ???????
2-Not discredit but I challenge your stance and approach, you come as "this is the truth and no one should question" Got it?
3-If you are the good guy with a right heart then your approach should be to Truth, the Person, and the lost, the hurt, the orphan, the widow, and the destitute.
4-Searching and sharing data and points of view are for the purpose of teaching/discipleship and to an extent, fun.
5-What do you want a safe America for our children or the fulfillment of prophecy????
MSNBC Distorts Bush, Cheney Words on Iraq-9/11 Link
By Brad Wilmouth | November 12, 2005 - 03:52 ET
On MSNBC's Hardball on Friday night, host Chris Matthews sought to convince viewers that the Bush administration intentionally tried to make the American public believe Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks before the Iraq War "to win support for the war."
In his opening introduction, Matthews plugged the upcoming segment as "a look at the rhetoric the Bush administration used to perpetuate the idea of a connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks," as if this motive were fact. In a setup piece for the segment, MSNBC correspondent David Shuster contended that before the war, President Bush "started claiming that Iraq and the group responsible for 9/11 were one and the same," and backed up this assertion using a soundbite from Bush that was selectively edited to distort an answer Bush made to a reporter’s question.
Shuster showed a clip of Bush saying "you can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam," which omitted Bush's subsequent clarification that "I can't distinguish between the two because they're both equally as bad, and equally as evil, and equally as destructive," thus throwing water on Shuster’s characterization of Bush’s words. A full transcript of this exchange appears farther down before the transcript from Friday night’s Hardball.
Just over a year ago, after the October 2004 vice presidential debate, Matthews made similar charges against Cheney and took Cheney's words out of context to support his accusation. Just as he did on Friday night’s show, Matthews ignored numerous occasions before the Iraq invasion when Cheney either explicitly denied he was accusing Iraq of involvement in the 9/11 attacks, or expressed uncertainty about whether information about lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta was accurate. In fact, at about the same time in October 2004, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, on his Countdown show, showcased several selectively edited soundbites of Cheney appearing on Meet the Press in which Cheney appeared to claim that Atta had met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in the Czech Republic’s capital, Prague. However, when Cheney’s unedited quotes are examined, he actually expressed uncertainty over whether this meeting had taken place in all but the earliest clip, and even explicitly stated that he was not making an accusation that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks. (For a complete analysis of these statements from Cheney, please see the October 7, 2004 CyberAlert that disproves the claims by Matthews and Olbermann made at that time, and helps debunk Matthews’ current accusations.)
- Wolfpack46, on 02/17/2008, -0/+21-As more data surfaces, the same thing becomes more evident/MSM has a very special agenda, misinformation and the ascribing of statements to individuals for ???????
- allisonrose870, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3I think a lot of people, especially dare, would benefit tremendously from reading Epicenter by Joel Rosenberg, as well as his other books.
In regards to the whirlwind of information being disseminated here, like a dear friend of mine always used to say ... "Always consider the source." As for me, my source is God Almighty who is in control of everything.
- Darel99, on 02/17/2008, -1/+2I see you seem to know some facts... For example the MSM is filled with CIA agents... But you overlook an important point.. I didn't say that ABC was the ones who reported the actual facts it was Bush on ABC news who stated it... A big differance. So let's don't stretch what I think... I provided a fact and it's not up to debate. if you want when I return home in a few weeks I can find the clip and put it on youtube but I will have to search via lots of video so it may take me some time to find it. Others need to see it so it would be a good think to provide a link too don't you think?
- rjwusa, on 02/17/2008, -2/+10I have received several shouts from friends here at digg on my admonishment of Darel99. I believe I was too hard on him, in that i allowed my annoyance of his calling into question Bush's loyalties and the loyalties of Melanie Morgan. We will never know if Bush lies, or if his intelligence was faulty. The fact is, we're in a war now and we need to see that war through so as to not project any show of weakness on the part of the U.S. to the islamic world. To pull out of Iraq now would give Islam a victory that would embolden them to bring their attacks to American soil. Like many here, George Bush has been a disappointment as a president in the area of immigration. I do believe that he has prevented other attacks against U.S. targets on American soil through his policies. I believe much of Bush's policies to be better than any policies that anyone on the left has proposed, when dealing with the middle east.
My critique of Darel99's calling everyone a liar and a CIA or FBI paid operative led me to believe that like others here at digg, Darel99 is a shill. A poser, or someone masquerading as a Christian. I have been contacted by others via shout who I do respect and trust, who have vouched for Darel99 and his motives. I have also been contacted by those in shout supporting my calling Darel99 out and admonishing him. The reality is, digg is not the church, and I approached what Darel99 said, which I nevertheless found offensive, in the wrong way.
While I approached what Darel99 had said in what I believed to be a Scriptural fashion, by admonishing him, it was pointed out to me by Darel99 that i had failed to admonish him a a scriptural fashion. Darel99 is right, and I take my lumps like a man.
Sometimes, we as Christians fall into the trap of merging our politics with our faith. We all do it. I did so, and I offended some of my Christian brothers by doing so.
While I still disagree with Darel99, I handled my disagreement with hm in a wrongfull fashion, and for that I apologize and ask Darel99's forgiveness and the forgiveness to my Christian brothers and sisters here on digg. When I sent out a mass shout asking for support in my admonishment against Darrel99 on this thread, I promised those I shouted to that If I was in error on how I handled Darrel99's comments through admonishing him the way i did, that I would publicly apologize for what I did. The pros and Cons for my admonishment came out pretty even. However, it is not my intention in fracturing the Christian community here. I respect those who believed i was too harsh and wrong. Therefore, this apology.
I still disagree with Darel99's calling everyone a liar. I did handle it incorrectly and non-scriptural manner. My bad.
Regards,
rjwusa- Wolfpack46, on 02/17/2008, -0/+6His intelligence was not at fault or short, but Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions that called for intervention.
I accept your apology and I am glad to know you as a friend and brother in Christ.
an old military dictum:
a measured response is based on the perceived potential and never on the actual capabilities which are not known until after the fact.- michael4lsu, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3If Bush hadn't spearheaded the whole war on Iraq, the UN wouldn't have ever lifted a finger to take out Saddam. Keep in mind how much resistance there was from several other countries to go after Saddam. We shouldn't be using the UN to justify our wars. We shouldn't even be in the UN.
- InRussetShadows, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3I do agree that Digg may not have been the proper forum, but I disagree that you were too hard on him. I think he demonstrates a very tenuous grip on reality.
- Wolfpack46, on 02/17/2008, -0/+6His intelligence was not at fault or short, but Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions that called for intervention.
- Darel99, on 02/17/2008, -3/+3Hi Rjwusa,
With all due respect you need to address me since your disagreement was with me. Sure, I'm glade you have pointed out the issues which created a small conflict but you really need to address me as a person.
Many of my Christian brothers and sisters lack the ability to be firm.. It was Christ who said "Let your yes's by yes and your no be no's". I think a person has either lied or they have spoke the truth. Many Christians still prefer to be luke warm about Bush and we also know that Christ states to be Luke Warm I will spew you out of my month.
I provided actual statements from Bush and or issues he has raised in the past regarding WMD and the data to prove he lied and you sir still lack the ability to call it like it is.... Are you Luke warm? In times likes this we need everyone to offer a yes or a no but to take action to change our nation for the good.
I have lived overseas and know many Muslims. It is Christ who tells us to live in peace with not only our brethren but also our neighbors....
The points i raised proved Bush lied. If you need more facts please let me know. As a Christian we must always call leadership into question when they have lied to the people. How many men have died because the signed up thinking that Iraq was liked to 9-11? Doesn't Bush's lie then transpose into breaking Gods 6th commandment "Thou shall not kill."
Why are you calling into question Bush's folly by lying to the people in order to go to war to begin with? As Christians we must oppose evil and the war in Iraq began as a lie and therefore it must be stopped immediately? Do you think God above supports the war in Iraq? Perhaps a better question would be do you think the lord above supports the war in Iraq since it started as lies?
Have you lived in the middle east? Have you ever meet a terrorist? Do you speak there language? Can you communicate with them in order to understand there issues?
Years ago it was the communist and now it's the Islamic world of fear. The players change but the game is always the same.
Rjwusa, with respect will you please take the time to review the British pull out of Iraq? I would like for you to take the time to note the region they were in and pull the info to find out how much violence they documented then I would like for you to take the time to review the results after they left Iraq. The fact is violence dropped 90% based on one report and another report stated violence dropped by 80%. The kids of the region have returned to school and beginning a normal life.
I know from a family member that the US would enter homes between 2-6 am in the morning forcing family members in the street to look for weapons... Tell me sir, if you were in your home and the cops came to your home at 3:00 in the morning and knocked your front door down just to search your home... What actions would you take? If it occurred in your home town how many citizens would be shot by accident? How many children do you think would cry for hours and how many do you think would never forget the way they were treated? My family member refused to carry out such orders and spend time in the hole... When he was removed they asked him to follow orders and he again refused. So back in the hole... The third time they removed him they didn't ask him, intend they put him on point for get this four months... He survived and when he returns home has no plans to return... Why this is his fourth third tour.
By the way pulling out of Iraq does not give them a win. Why? Because not only did bush offer a symbolic win as posed on the carrier several years ago but he technically ended the war but then Congress maintained funding of the war. The Iraq military never had the ability to attack us on our own soil so the idea that we need to fight them over there has been sold to you by the military and industrial complex.
You do bring an interesting point regarding Bush's immigration push.. But lets just hold that thought and consider a fact check.
Fact. Bush tried his best to keep it quite that he was selling our Port Security to a company who are 98% supporters of Islam.. In other words we sold our Port Security to the so called enemy.... This was done on purpose and Bush even lied about the contract terms and number of ports when it was over it was three times the deal then he first mentioned... Did he lie? He sure did.
So if the treat of Islamic Terrorist is an issue then why would he sell our Port Security to a foreign company who supports Islam?
Then there is the issue of Border security. Since 9-11 our borders are just as wide open as they have ever been... They proposed they would build a fence now for over 2 years yet little action has been taken in fact they killed the funding for the fence.
What about Bin Ladin? If the War on Terror is true then tell me why didn't Bush follow through with his promise to find Bin Ladin? And since Bush stated the Usama is the number one planner then please tell me why isn't Bin Ladin Charged with crimes of 9-11?
Just visit this link: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.h ...
So we are to conclude that Open Borders some how fights terror, we are supposed to believe that Bin Ladin is the planner behind 9-11 when he isn't even charged with crimes of 9-11 and we are supposed to believe that we are under terrorist threat when we contact for Port Security with the very people who caused harm to our nation? I don't buy it at all... In fact the War on Terror is a fraud. My book will pull the covers off of the entire lie and all the money earned from the book will go right back into education so the people can hear and see the truth.
I understand and say so with respect that you do believe that Bush's polices regarding the middle east are good but I disagree... Here is why? We fund more of Israelis enemies with large sums of cash every year. Egypt takes the money we give them to buy arms from other nations. We also send Syria some cash and what do they do with the cash? Go find out. In fact it's been proven that cash we send to the middle east winds up buying arms for Hammas. how is that for results?
By the way I didn't call everyone a liar we go on to further question my intentions by stating the following
"My critique of Darel99's calling everyone a liar and a CIA or FBI paid operative led me to believe that like others here at digg, Darel99 is a shill. A poser, or someone masquerading as a Christian. I have been contacted by others via shout who I do respect and trust, who have vouched for Darel99 and his motives. I have also been contacted by those in shout supporting my calling Darel99 out and admonishing him. The reality is, digg is not the church, and I approached what Darel99 said, which I nevertheless found offensive, in the wrong way."
I think it's rather questionable that you would suggest that I'm a shill for that has never been the case. If others consider me a shill that I ask that you send me a shout and I will be happy to discuss it. For for those of you who have doubts don't allow your doubts to question my intentions so get on shout and contact me... To be honest with you folks I really don't care what any one of you thinks of me... I have major goals to accomplish this year I have helped save over 17 babies from Abortion by protesting and talking to young mothers to consider other options. I'm also in the planning stages to help defeat the NAU by legal means and more on this later.
Also, if rJwusa suggests he knows a CIA or FBI operative here on digg then don't trust the info. Do you really think they will tell anyone they work for the CIA or FBI? Come on give me a break? So jWusa you are still affecting my chacter and I shall not support your undermining theme. So why don't you prove that I'm either a shill or not a Christian? Just prove it and in the end I expect an apology.
But let's look at this another way... Some of you think that I'm a shill or I work for the gov? If that is the case then lets look at all of my commits... Just go to the friends section and go back and real my comments... I have never once supported George W Bush, I have never supported the war on terror, I have never supported anyone for the office of the president other then Ron Paul. Does that give you any indication and glimpse of history that if I was a paid shill, an agent of disinformation, etc., don't you think I would be supporting the talking points of the white house? And that is my point I have and can prove that 10 MSM members are on the payroll of the gov and some of you doubt me.... Unbelievable
rJwusa, do you really think I'm a shill now? Just go back and look at my comments... If anything I tell it like it is and some people don't like to hear the truth. Some people would prefer to hear that the GOP are the good guys and the left are the bad guys. Well, in my book they are both corrupt. Would a shill tell you that? Would a paid shill on digg oppose the War on Terror when they are paid to support the war on terror?
I think we need to get past your new accustions and anyone else who has a concern I seek your action to communicate your thoughts with me directly.. Also, I'm all over the US due to my business so if you wish let me know the city you live in and I will be glade to meet for dinner. Please note if you want to see the documents I refer to just let me know I'll bring them.
Also, rjwus, once we get past the issues you present we need to be friends to end many of the issues our nation faces... I will be gone for a few weeks due to Ocular issues and hopefully when I return I will not make so many errors.
My grandpa use to always tell me that he would rather trust somones actions more so then what the person said... I would agree.
The next time you reply I would pefer you address me and not ignore me as the person you claim to doubt but don't address from a first person perspective but rather as a group.
By the way I was Baptistd in Christ by pastor Allen Cox from Harvest Baptist Chuch located in Blacksburg, VA. I was 13 years old and we did so in a large moutain stream that feeds into the Roanoke River on Mr Richard Martins farm.- rjwusa, on 02/17/2008, -1/+6"My critique of Darel99's calling everyone a liar and a CIA or FBI paid operative led me to believe that like others here at digg, Darel99 is a shill. A poser, or someone masquerading as a Christian. I have been contacted by others via shout who I do respect and trust, who have vouched for Darel99 and his motives..."
My statement was taken out of context by you. I am not calling you a shill. I had believed you were a shill. Others have vouched for your character. I have apologized although I still disagree with you. Today is Sunday, which is God's day and my day to be with family. I am also coming down with a cold. So you'll forgive me if I do not answer you immediately, please understand that I am not ducking you, nor should you believe you have the moral upper hand due to my silence. When my 3-year-old toddler boys and my wife stop asking for daddy and husband time, I'll try to answer your points. That may not happen today though. Until then, enjoy the remainder of your day and I'll get back to your points when I am able. Now, excuse me while I throw back a hot toddy and go to be with my family.
Regards- Darel99, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4Hi rJwusa,
Have fun with your family and reply when you can. I do hope your cold doesn't get worse...
I expect you and I can get past our issues and perhaps inspire each other in our walk with Christ and our support of our nation for the sake of our children....
Please note I do not trust Morgan at all. She has used the classic talking points of the whitehouse and this fact and other issues really concern me.
Rjwusa, I don't mind at all to meet you for dinner I do travel often in the US as well as the Ukraine, Russia, England and a few other places.
rjwusa, I can say this when I saw "W" tell the entire world on MSN news that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 I assure you I have never been so angry in my life. I took action that day to gather local pastors to call an end to the war the very next day and I have not supported "W" at all since that day. Since then he has ran our budget beyond the stars and it's our direct family and maybe our children who will suffer most.
Also, I'm not in anyway conected by payment to any gov agency but I have connections and since my book has pulled at lot of facts and a popular publishing company killed my book I found another firm to publish it... But just before me book was killed I had two spooks come right up to me tell me not to market the book.... They asked me and told me the next time they would tell me..... But I dont' back down.. What did I do? I pulled my cell phone from my pocket and took there photo I have never seen two people run so fast... Well, that was this past summer and no one else has tried to bully me.
We need to end the Real Id Act and I heard Newt say the other day that he supported the real id act... I thought Oh my goodness another so called Christian who supports the Real ID Act. Some are even starting to push Newt to get iin the race but few people realize that in Nov 2006 he gave speach in Arlington, VA and stated he supported "limited free speach" and he went on to say he supported Marshall Law... When I heard him say it others in the room claped there hands,,, I thought I was in the twilight zone. I can't undersand why a man who was having sex with another women while at the same time using the name of morality to charge clinton with impeachment. now we have W who has lied far worse the Clinton and the people have done nothing.
Anyway, I'll check one last time on monday. I'm taking my daugther to DC for the day and will check late Monday night.
If I'm wrong about Morgan I will say so but I'll have to wait until I receive some data.
If I even offend you and it's my fault I will own it. But I stand firm with my points.
As mentioned go find out the details of the "Clergy Responce Team" don't settle for what a pastor will tell you ask hard questions soon you will not be able to trust 50,000 pastors in America.
Also, GOOGLE "Ring Worm Radation"
Then GOOGLE "USS LIBERTY"
GOOLGE "Operation paper clip"
Google "Operation Open Eyes" the look at similar issues during the VT shooting and the recent shooting.
I didn't see anything on google just yet but maybe it will be on google in 3-6 weeks so just check once a week during the range of time I have shared. The info is specefic to 2006 and not any other time but it should be up to see soon but google "Project Sphere"
Anyway, have a nice night... I will be away from Digg and the computer for 1-3 weeks starting the end of this week but will try to check when I can. Hopefully we can put the recent issues behind us before I leave...- michael4lsu, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4I found a few more interesting things in the last few days I've been looking at.
Check out the "Georgia Guidestones", which have the 10 commandments of the New World Order and require that the earth's population never exceed half a billion (I guess they'll have to unleash some radiation and avian flu to wipe out the 80% or 90% of the population to get down to that level?).
Also, google "The Lucifer Project" or just go here:
http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.htm ...
And check out this book (I just started reading it) which exposes the "Operation Paper Clip" NAZI scientists and Freemasons/Luciferian occultists who run NASA:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-Secret-History- ...
The first "customer review" gives a great summary of the book.
- michael4lsu, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4I found a few more interesting things in the last few days I've been looking at.
- Darel99, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4Hi rJwusa,
- rjwusa, on 02/17/2008, -1/+6"My critique of Darel99's calling everyone a liar and a CIA or FBI paid operative led me to believe that like others here at digg, Darel99 is a shill. A poser, or someone masquerading as a Christian. I have been contacted by others via shout who I do respect and trust, who have vouched for Darel99 and his motives..."
- InRussetShadows, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Darel99, you have proved nothing but your inability to be concise. You have vomited up a mountain of half-truths, guesstimates, possibilities, and such linked together by imagination. You have utterly lost any respect I have for you and because I get tired of scrolling through literally pages of your fever-swamp antics, I am blocking you.