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Anti-Gay Boy Scout Leader Arrested ... For Molesting Boys

nytimes.com — A scout leader who once sued the City of Berkeley for challenging a national Boy Scout ban on members who are gay or atheist has been arrested on felony charges that for at least five years he sexually abused young males in the troops he led.

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  • rebotfc, on 12/10/2007, -6/+229Oh the irony..

    ( This is ironic, right?)
    • hdar3415, on 12/10/2007, -4/+16From where I'm standing it is ironic. But then again what do you mean by "ironic"?
      • Drahkar, on 12/10/2007, -3/+10This will describe it better. 'Hello Pot. This here is Kettle'. As in if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
        • DarkSamus, on 12/10/2007, -7/+10why do these ***** always work for a comp/org that has a lot of kids?
        • stevevsworld, on 12/10/2007, -3/+1_Oh I dunno._
        • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -8/+5Why do fat people work at bakeries?
        • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -2/+1No that doesn't describe it better, dumbass. Being gay or atheist isn't illegal or immoral, while molesting children is extremely both.
      • NessTheHero, on 12/10/2007, -9/+1Well,
        IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN...
      • PorcupineTree, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Socratic irony. He's way off.
    • CaptMonkey, on 12/10/2007, -11/+178Is it still considered ironic when a strongly anti-gay man turns out to be totally gay? I was thinking "predictable" would be more appropriate.
      • Tallon29, on 12/10/2007, -3/+15Cliché
      • Bleue, on 12/10/2007, -12/+132Let's please not confuse homosexuality and pedophilia.
        • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -44/+15What else do you call it when a male molests a male?
          • inkyblue2, on 12/10/2007, -14/+7yes, and while we're at it, let's dicuss what color shirt he was wearing.
          • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -13/+46Why the hell would that be important. If you are molesting young boys and are male you are both gay and a pedophile. I fail to see how there is any confusion at all over this point.
          • zdislaw, on 12/10/2007, -4/+46And yet there is. Pedophelia is considered by many Psychologists to be a separate (deviant) sexual orientation that is not tied to whether the person is gay or not. Sexual attraction between men is different than between a man and a child (boy or girl), and the Psychological makeup of a person attracted to children (boy or girl) is unique from homosexuality. This may not be commonly known, but it is certainly based on good science.
            That's why it makes sense to say that Gay men should not be prevented from being scoutmasters, but that pedophiles certainly should. One is going to molest kids and the other has absolutely no reason (based on their being gay) to be any more feared than a straight man (unless that straight man is, of course, a pedophile).
          • Ouchimoo, on 12/10/2007, -3/+20uh because gay people feel attraction to the same sex, end of story. To declare them as pedo's would be saying that you like 11 year old girls because you're straight.
            Pedophiles and rapists attack because they have dominance issues. Its their sick way of "look I have power over you!" regardless of the victims sex
          • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -1/+7So that's why NAMBLA isn't gay!
          • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -3/+14Next you're going to tell me that sex with underage girls is heterosexual.
        • aspec, on 12/10/2007, -2/+79It's not a question of action, but of motivation.

          If a man is gay, he looks for other men.

          If a man is seriously ***** up, he touches boys.
        • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -23/+13Male children don't count as guys? Is there a cut-off age for going from pedophile into being homosexual?
          • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -16/+3Apparently if the penis is small enough, wanting to suck it doesn't make you gay. That's why there are no gays in Asia. There are no penises large enough to qualify.
          • richard2, on 12/10/2007, -5/+8Your mind has been poisoned by religious propaganda.

            By your logic, all heterosexuals are pedophiles.
          • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -3/+6You assumed two stupid things.

            1. I am religious, just not the way you assume, I'm Buddhist. One religion doesn't equal every. Neither has my mind been poisoned by it.

            2. I'm not saying all heterosexuals are pedos, nor am I saying all homosexuals are pedos. I'm only saying that doing this to children of the same sex as you probably means you're a bit confused about your sexuality.
          • richard2, on 12/10/2007, -2/+11In that case, sorry, but you're very bad at articulating your opinions. ;P
          • Phrag, on 12/10/2007, -0/+5"I'm only saying that doing this to children of the same sex as you probably means you're a bit confused about your sexuality." So what makes them 'confused'? The fact that they are molesting kids or the fact that the kid happens to be the same sex? How about the fact that someone who molests kids of any sex is messed up. That is why both heterosexual and homosexual people do not want to be affiliated with pedophiles. Gay and straight are sexualities. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Molesting children shows that you are messed up, not gay or straight.
          • Wartz, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1@ MWeather: I feel evil for having laughed out loud. :(
        • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -4/+23Please explain the bury count to me. No one is saying all gays are pedophiles rather, they are pointing out that the anti-gay man in this article is both gay and a pedophile.
          • Phrag, on 12/10/2007, -2/+12Saying that a pedophile is gay because he molests boys is like saying that a red car is really an apple because its red and apples are red too. You are using a mental disorder to try to define someone's sexuality. Molesting children of any sex makes you a pervert, period. It does not define your sexuality.
          • grapesofbaath, on 12/10/2007, -3/+7it absolutely defines your sexuality. he's attracted to young (pedophilia) males (homosexual). Being sexually attracted to young boys is pretty clearly a defining part of this guy's sexuality.
          • kevincannon, on 12/10/2007, -0/+8He had access to young males? It's entirely possible that he would have abused young females if he had access to them too. Also, do you know he's attracted to adult males? The fact that he abused children that were boys doesn't necessarily mean that.

            It's a subtle distinction, but it's important to make.
          • apzdsx, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2HE IS GAY. Wow, reminds me of the South Park episode where Mr. Garrison tried to get fired to sue the school for discrimination, and they wouldn't let him go despite all the inappropriate things he did. I'm gay and so is this man, the difference is he goes after younger boys. There is a possibility that he is bisexual, but he still has a sexuality. Just as men who molest little girls are straight. Only ignorant people link homosexuality and pedophilia, the others can make the distinction that this man is both gay (or bi) and a pedophile.
        • CaptMonkey, on 12/10/2007, -5/+24It said the "children" were ages 13-17. So since they were under 18, he's not gay, right? Had that oldest kid been 18, he'd be totally gay, though, correct? I'm not saying that pedophilia and homosexuality are the same thing, but this guy is pretty clearly gay. You might have a point had the victims been younger and of both sexes. It seems that his repressed homosexuality didn't allow him to go out and look for other men, so he used his position to have sex with males who he thought he could keep quiet.
          • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -0/+14If that was their ages, then this man is an Ephebophile, not a true pedo.
        • bjs3171, on 12/10/2007, -4/+5no one's confusing homosexuality with pedophelia. just homoPHOBIA with pedophelia.
        • rhinopig, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, but 'Anti-gay boy scout leader is a pedophile' isn't ironic. 'anti-gay boy scout leader is gay' is ironic (kinda). That was the context of this thread and that is why the second phrase was used instead of the first. (they are both true even though they are 2 different things).
      • Armitage2k, on 12/10/2007, -16/+2RTFA, he wasn't ANTI-Gay, he was against Scout ANTI-Gay policies.
        • MorbenDK, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9wrong, he was against the city withdrawing the Sea Scouts' free berthing. The city was against the Scouts' anti-gay policy.
          • MalenfantX, on 12/10/2007, -3/+0right, but he wasn't anti-gay; He was anti-losing the free berthing. No Irony, just a sick-sad bastard molesting kids.
      • jonnyboy88, on 12/10/2007, -2/+3IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!
        • allisonaxe, on 12/10/2007, -2/+1no, thats just plain unfortunate.
    • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -2/+42He was trying to keep out the competition.
      • geoboy, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4Exactly what I was thinking. He just wants the boys all to himself.
    • oOLiquidNightOo, on 12/10/2007, -2/+52"billy, come on over here for a second son."

      "as a boy-scout, let's say you were in the thick of the jungle. completely isolated from society .. and naked, your young firm body glistening in the sun with sweat .. and .. an alligator attacked you. your body and his intertwined in a kind of perverse darwinian knot, completely unnatural but .. exciting just the same. would you know what to do, no? ok not to worry son, i'm gonna show .. in this instance, i'll be the alligator."
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+12That sounds like it came from Mr. Garrison's book.
      • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -1/+6SNL - Classic Alec Baldwin, I believe. The boy was sandler wasn't it? Or was it farley?
    • bjs3171, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2it should be, but really, it's not at all.
    • danielman94, on 12/10/2007, -13/+31IT'S LIKE RAAAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!
      • knyghtfyre, on 12/10/2007, -13/+3I see what you did there.
      • KiLLB0T, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2don't you mean ... IT'S LIKE RAAAPE ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!

        EDIT: I have that stupid song stuck in my head now (the one about "rain on your...")
    • Shakermaker, on 12/10/2007, -0/+5Don'tcha think?
    • gak001, on 12/10/2007, -3/+11Well, as irony is contradiction between what is expected and what happens, I'd say this kind of behavior hasn't been ironic since last year.
    • Nougat, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7This is morony, meaning oxymoronic irony.
    • Zippo, on 12/10/2007, -9/+2It's a free ride when you've already paid
      It's the good advice that you just didn't take
      Who would've thought... it figures
    • mGARANDEUR1, on 12/10/2007, -2/+9irony obviously means that it is made out of iron
      • rhinopig, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4What would be ironic is if the anti-gay boy scout leader who was secretly gay was also made out of iron.
    • Seidoger, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7This proves once again that the more anti-gay and homophobic you pretend to be, the more you're trying to repress your homosexuality. It's a way to try to avoid it. A bad way..
      • bulkhater, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6I can only imagine what this means for Fred Phleps.
        • Vic333, on 12/10/2007, -0/+7This would mean that Phelps is so gay that only a well oiled up Jesus could satisfy his desires.
    • kaelyiesta, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9I'd say yes, normally. But this kind of thing has become so absurdly common that in this case, no it's not very ironic. It seems every other day a conservative/religious figure is caught doing things like this. Personally, I am dumbfounded by just how badly these people are shooting the 'moral majority' viewpoint in the foot. I almost think that social liberals are posing as these anti gay ***** just to hurt the credibility of such people by getting caught. I know thats not actually happening, but I almost cannot believe how frequent these guys get caught with their pants down. This is something I'd expect from the onion not real life.
    • bluezinc, on 12/10/2007, -0/+17Can we just officially make outward homophobia one of the tell-tale signs that you are gay?

      "Gays go to hell! God hates fags!" - Guy on Street Corner
      "So when are you planning on telling your parents?" - Me, Also on Street Corner
    • TomTruelle, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2What a ***** piece of *****...
    • kaplanfx, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5Thou dost protest too much!
    • cnot3, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Someone must have been watching south park and thought it would be a good idea.
    • 99thPercentile, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2I love the irony too, but PLEASE remember that homosexuality and pedophilia are two COMPLETELY different things. There isn't even a statistical correlation between the two, since pedophiles are almost overwhelmingly heterosexual. Thus, this guy is an anti-gay scumbag AND a pedophile scumbag. Twice the irony...
  • siszam, on 12/10/2007, -156/+21He's gay and immoral. Wow. Shocker!
    • cobrawu, on 12/10/2007, -12/+89Oh wait like Catholic Priests and Republicans?
    • oneniner, on 12/10/2007, -6/+28You could use 'the shocker' to get your head outta your @ss!
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -11/+47So being gay is immoral? You r'tard.
      • deadmann, on 12/10/2007, -31/+3Way to understand a sentence.
        • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -3/+14So what does he actually mean?
        • internetcoward, on 12/10/2007, -11/+1That it is immoral to molest kids, you ***** tard, way to understand anything...
        • bluezinc, on 12/10/2007, -3/+4Massive failure = deadmann.
      • coyote1284, on 12/10/2007, -11/+5Haven't you been paying attention? Homosexuality is a sin in the Christian faith. No matter how backwards or retarded you may think that is, it'd still be immoral to a Christian. But "immoral" is probably refering to the pedophilia in that sentance.
        • mllawso, on 12/10/2007, -3/+9I wholeheartedly agree; it is immoral to be a christian.
        • petewiz, on 12/10/2007, -4/+3See here's what I don't understand:
          Jesus was always talking about "love your enemy" and "turn the other cheek", etc. How can you love someone that wants to see you suffer and at the same time hate someone who you don't even know just because they like people of the same gender?
          Then again, logic was never the Christians' strongest area...
          • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3On the first one, he never said it was gonna be easy. But if you have a love for people in general, you can love your neighbor in a larger sense, even though you may not like them that much.

            On the second one, he doesn't say to hate gay people. A lot of ignorant Christians just do.
            You might wanna work on the logic thing a bit your self there, sparky.
    • donsnyc, on 12/10/2007, -6/+13People like you who persecute gay people are the ones who turn around and molest young children. You are a hypocrite just like Eugene Evans.
    • awesometothemax, on 12/10/2007, -3/+25Umm.... FYI, being gay is A LOT different than being a damn pedophile. Not really the same thing.
      • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -5/+4Except for the uhhh.. The Homosexual Sex, that is.

        No, really. Pedophilia is more about them being kids than it is about their gender. However, it can be said that there is a link in some cases where a molester only molests boys, or only molests girls, in spite of the fact they have access to both.

        Similarly rape is more about control than about sexual orientation. But rapists usually rape within their orientation.
        • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2It can be said that your opinions on psychology should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.
      • MarkOfTheDead, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2I already knew that, I never met a Pedophile that was well dressed and most gay men I've met aren't interested in touching kids..
    • internetcoward, on 12/10/2007, -10/+4SO wait, if you're gay you can not be immoral ever, EVEN when molesting kids??? Or is everyone here just stupid and didn't understand a simple sentence?
    • petewiz, on 12/10/2007, -3/+6Homophobia is so retarded.
      Why would anyone have such a strong opinion on something if they have nothing to do with it?
      Oh yeah, because they're self-loathing closet cases. Don't fight it siszam, let your inner-rainbow shine!
      • adventflux, on 12/10/2007, -2/+0Using the word retarded like that completely takes away any weight your comment had.
        • petewiz, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2Thank you, random internet crybaby. Your opinion means so much to me.
          Definition of retarded:
          slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development

          Did I say mentally retarded? No, I didn't. Get over it.
      • Treason, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1A bunch of internet tough guys...
  • dienaked, on 12/10/2007, -50/+280pedophile != gay
    • UberNick, on 12/10/2007, -7/+101gay pedophile ?= gay
      • crimson117, on 12/10/2007, -1/+28Yet the scouts ban all gays, instead of just gay pedophiles.
        • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -4/+6How would they go about banning the pedophiles only? Would they require them to fill out a form honestly or something?
          • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2You can usually spot them as the ones who are rabidly anti-gay, because they are probably compensating for something.
        • Rayonic, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Of course they'd fill out the form honestly. They wouldn't want to get into trouble!
          Much like bank robbers are deterred by anti-gun laws.
    • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -46/+25Male pedophile molesting male children = gay

      Did you miss that part?
      • tdogg241, on 12/10/2007, -13/+37Child molestation is a form of rape, meaning it's less about sex than it is about power.
        • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -13/+6Your point being? There are little girls too you know.
          • pintomp3, on 12/10/2007, -2/+15not in the boy scouts.
          • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -3/+4So this guy was sexually attracted to boy scouts, not young boys?
        • missingnoh4x, on 12/10/2007, -13/+11Guy raping another guy = gay
          So yeah, he's a hypocrite.
          • MindStalker, on 12/10/2007, -4/+13Gay means you positive sexual feelings about other guys.
            For all this guy cares he could have been beating them senseless with a belt. This isn't about love its about abuse.
          • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -4/+7Gay means you have sex with people the same sex as you
          • coyote1284, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3@MindStalker
            So Bubba in Cell Block C isn't gay!? Whew, I'll have to remember that if I ever find myself in prison. Bubba doesn't actually care about me, it's just about power. That makes it whole different hill of beans while he's forcibly plowing my asshole.
        • objectcode, on 12/10/2007, -2/+5that makes it not gay?
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -11/+12Who the hell dugg him down?
        Does touching male boys not count?
        • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -4/+27Not according to DSM IV. Many pedophile molesters of boys strenuously deny that they are gay, and do not live a gay lifestyle. Pedophilia is a completely different state, it's a mental illness, and has nothing to do with the sexual polarity of the person.
          • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -12/+7I look at like this:
            If you think about children in a sexual way, you're a pedophile.
            If you think about guys in a sexual way, you're a homosexual.
            If you think about male children in a sexual way, you're both.

          • lydecker, on 12/10/2007, -4/+12If you think about males AND children in a sexual way, you're both.
            If you think about children in a sexual way (no gender specified), you're a pedophile.
            Pedophilia's gender orientation doesn't necessarily match up with a person's sexual orientation. Many male offenders who victimize boys are not gay, do not have a sexual attraction to men. There is a difference.
          • Cayfox, on 12/10/2007, -2/+3darkenlot:

            You really are a loss to the psychiatric profession. In fact, I've submitted your proposed modifications to the DSM IV criteria for classifying child sex offenders to the American Psychiatric Association, and let's just say that there's a lot of excitement. It's all so simple! How could they all have been so blind?
          • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2what the hell is wrong with you people
            we all agree that gay != pedophile
            but if he is molesting exclusively BOYS then he is gay, why is there argument here? And ALL pedophiles need to be locked up... FOREVER
          • lydecker, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2@llamaguy: Because someone is attracted to little boys, doesn't mean they are attracted to grown boys. I've made this distinction many times, what is wrong with you?
            There are many molesters who exclusively molest gays, but have adult heterosexual relationships and ARE NOT GAY.
          • coyote1284, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1Just because someone is attracted to children doesn't mean they're attracted to adults? Wow, thank you Captain Obvious! So if an adult male is attracted to an adult male, that's homosexual, yes? And if a child male is attracted to a child male, that's still homosexual, right? Now, if an adult is attracted to children that's pedophilia, am I still on track?
            So where is my thought process going off track to think that these ideas are not exclusive from one another?
          • lydecker, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2@coyote: The next step is to realize that pedophilia is not a part of sexual orientation, it's a deviation from normal behaviors. While being attracted to a female's breasts, blondes, intellect, or experience enhance the normal sexual attraction, pedophilia, necrophilia, and some other fetishes occurs in place of the normal sexual attraction. That is, it's the fetish that turns you on, and the person you are with does not.
            The act of pedophilia- dominance and abuse- is the sexual stimuli. Not the child.
        • deadmann, on 12/10/2007, -13/+4Homosexuality was a mental illness until 1973. But hey, it's not hurting anyone so let 'em go for it.
        • cheesehead, on 12/10/2007, -3/+3The American Psychiatric Association and the DSM are *****. There is no scientific basis for most of their so-called illnesses. The DSM up until a while ago listed homosexuality as a derangement. Then a bunch of homos lobbied to have the condition removed from the book, because it wasn't politically correct. How scientific is that?
      • inkyblue2, on 12/10/2007, -1/+15pedophiles with moustaches have moustaches.
      • zdislaw, on 12/10/2007, -3/+19Actually it doesn't neccessarily. Pedophelia is considered by many Psychologists to be a separate (deviant) sexual orientation that is not tied to whether the person is gay or not. Sexual attraction between men is different than between a man and a child (boy or girl), and the Psychological makeup of a person attracted to children (boy or girl) is unique from homosexuality. This may not be common knowledge, but is certainly based on good science.
        • mlostracco, on 12/10/2007, -2/+9Most pedophiles abuse children of both sexes, and most pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual. Your chances of your child being abused in the boy scouts by a married, straight person are drastically, disproportionately higher. Also, newsflash: children's organization tend to attract pedophiles.

          The Boy Scouts should worry more about that last point than whether a gay guy can be a scout leader. Gay people have no more attraction to children than straight people do.
        • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -6/+2"Pedophelia is considered by many Psychologists to be a separate (deviant) sexual orientation that is not tied to whether the person is gay or not."

          Ok, how many little girls did he molest?
          • zdislaw, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3That's not the point. Someone who is gay is psychologically so-defined due to their attraction to adults of the same sex. Pedophiliacs generally have only surface relationships (usually heterosexual, probably to attract less attention), with adults. Their real attraction being to children. Also, the attraction is usually a function of the age and not gender of the child. And this attraction is as unchangeable as any sexual orientation is. So calling someone who is a pedophile "gay" or "straight" is useless and draws the attention away from where it should be. This is why banning gays from Scouting does nothing at all to protect children.

            And to answer your question: how many little girls were there in the scout troop?
          • tacohead, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Dude, you totally missed zdislaw's point.
    • Lolerdong, on 12/10/2007, -36/+8You and everyone who dug you up are COMPLETE ***** MORONS. "A scout leader who once sued the City of Berkeley for challenging a national Boy Scout ban on members who are gay or atheist has been arrested on felony charges that for at least five years he sexually abused young males in the troops he led"

      He was actively anti gay. Digg is even worse than the MSM, this is what happens when your news is delivered by a teenage paris hilton wanna be.
      • RunnyBabbit, on 12/10/2007, -1/+17Do you know what != means?
        • Lolerdong, on 12/10/2007, -23/+1HOLY *****

          HE WAS ***** MALES AND HE WAS ANTI GAY. WHAT ***** PLANET ARE YOU FROM?

          Also, iphone
        • mablco, on 12/10/2007, -0/+5how many times you gonna use that iphone line? until it becomes funny or what?
    • bluscale, on 12/10/2007, -21/+5how about pedophilia breeds confused bi/gay ppl?
    • joshuagor44, on 12/10/2007, -15/+2You = nerd
      • JacobParker, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4if you understand that, you're the nerd
    • kreatre2007, on 12/10/2007, -31/+22So... I guess the male gym teachers who molest their female students are gay too? ***** YOU... you ignorant bastard.
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -7/+18what part of 'molesting boys' do you not understand?
        I'm not confusing the term pedophile with homosexual, it's simply if you molest MALE children, you're probably more gayer than you think.
      • objectcode, on 12/10/2007, -0/+9you know any girls that join boy scouts?
        • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3Actually, yes. My group was unisex because it was in a small community with no girl guides. We just called ourselves scouts. Granted, she was very tomboyish, but that's besides the point.
        • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3The Sea Scouts may be unisex, many other BSA programs are:
          Venturing and Order of the Arrow to name two big ones
      • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Kreatre: Possibly, Not all pedos are gay to be sure. And not all gays are pedos to be sure. But to say that NO gays are pedos, would be like saying that NO Heteros are pedos.

        Personally I believe the answer could be found in the acts themselves. If he was submissive in anyway, then it wasn't about power, but sex, then he can likely accurately be described as gay. And his actions in protest of the city of Berkeley were a smokescreen. For example, a pedo, in it for the power, likely isn't interested in receiving anal or giving blow jobs. Those are positions of submission, sexually, and a hetero pedo likely wouldn't do those things. That would make him gay.

        In short; No, ***** you.
    • cambob76, on 12/10/2007, -5/+23A man having sex with a male child isn't gay, it's ***** up... well maybe a slightly gay kind of "***** up". It seems to me, people who get caught doing this usually have hetero marriages and children. It's way more ***** up than gay. I think most gay men would have more sense than this.
      • mlostracco, on 12/10/2007, -5/+13Raping a child has no more do to with homosexuality than raping an adult of the opposite-sex does with being left-handed. Ergo, nothing.

        That being said, when it comes to priests, putting someone in a situation where they aren't allowed to marry or have sex or basically have any normal, healthy relationship with a woman and then surrounding them with a bunch of boys who are afraid of you and view you as a divinely-ordained authority figure is asking for trouble. Not that that excuses it in any way.
      • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -2/+3Are we seriously saying here that gay people can't be pedos? That's just as dumb as saying all pedos of boys are gay.
        • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -7/+2ALL PEDOS OF BOYS ARE GAY
          there i said it and i strongly believe it, just like there are different types of normal people (aka not ***** up twisted pedos) there are surely different type of pedos gay and strait and bi. If he is exclusively molesting BOYS then he is gay. He is not molesting boys BECAUSE he is gay, but is gay because he is molesting boys.
          And the fact that he says he is hetero is meaningless, he also says he is a decent member of society, which he clearly isn't
          • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -2/+5A homosexual act does not make one homosexual. What makes one homosexual is if they have the capacity, or prefer to love someone of the same gender as their life partner, as heteros do with the opposite sex.

            Just because someone had that weird night back in college does not make them gay, or even bi.
          • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1You're just some digg commenter who obviously lacks even the most basic understanding of human psychology and sexuality. Just because it all seems so simple in your knee-jerk analysis doesn't mean you're anywhere close to right.
    • newbill123, on 12/10/2007, -4/+14I agree with your simple statement: pedophile != gay
      but I bet a lot of people will be confused because they see gay to simply mean two same gendered people having sex.

      Pedophilia = a mature individual having sex with someone who is still sexually immature.
      In many cases the erotic attraction is more about the power and control over the immature person than their genitalia. His predilection for sex with boys may only have been because he couldn't get access to girls. Would it be okay for this fellow to be in charge of a girl scout troupe now that his same gendered desires are known? No.

      The words gay and homosexual have enough baggage used just to describe consensual sex between two same gendered adults. Thanks for the reminder that what this scout master did is neither consensual nor between sexually mature people so it's better to describe it as same-gendered molestation than getting a term for adult sexual orientation conflated in with all this depravity.
    • brummers, on 12/10/2007, -14/+8sucking ***** = gay
    • kaelyiesta, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5The two arent mutually exclusive sets. One can be a pedophile and gay simply by being attracted to young children of the same sex. An anti gay scout leader is both gay, a pedophile and a hypocrite if he is attracted to and chooses to act on said attraction with boys.
      • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2Yes someone can be both, but he was not because he showed no homosexual tendencies, only pedophiliac.
    • Chinnydaisy, on 02/23/2008, -9/+7while all gays are not pedophiles, I would say all pedophiles molesting young boys are gay.
      • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -2/+1What if they molest girls too? Or, wait, here's a pretty common one that you overlooked. What if the pedo is a woman?
        • Chinnydaisy, on 02/23/2008, -3/+2if the pedo was a woman!? sign me up! Niiiccceeeee

          and I meant male pedo bangin a young boy=homo & pedo
          male bagnin a young girl = pedo & straight
        • gn0stik, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2the questions were rhetorical nimrod, but thanks for playing.

          And your use of banging, for children is quite disturbing.
      • sibhod, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1You can say all you want, but you're wrong. Do you want to give some half-baked opinions on socio-economics, or astrophysics?
        • Chinnydaisy, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1sure, what would you like to know? Your attempt to discredit my argument using a half-assed rhetorical argument shows you completely contradicting yourself.
          btw, are you telling me that a male pedophile who molests a young boy isn't gay? I'll fully admit it is pure speculation from what I see on the news that pedo's will molest a group of boys OR a group of girls. It is rare that I will hear about cases that involve both boys and girls being molested by the same person. It is usually one or the other, so if a pedo likes going for young boys, I'd say he's gay as well as being a pedo.

          lastly when I say "gay" Im referring to males. If I meant women I'd say lesbos...
          • lydecker, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Realize that pedophilia is not a part of sexual orientation, it's a deviation from normal behaviors. While being attracted to a female's breasts, blondes, intellect, or experience enhance the normal sexual attraction, pedophilia, necrophilia, and some other fetishes occurs in place of the normal sexual attraction. That is, it's the fetish that turns you on, and the person you are with does not.
            The act of pedophilia- dominance and abuse- is the sexual stimuli. Not the child.
            While this person has been accused of homosexual molestation, his sexual orientation can be heterosexual.
    • michaelrh, on 12/10/2007, -4/+12if you are a male and you molest another male, regardless of age, you're both gay AND ***** up. bottom line
    • Rayonic, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2Perhaps in the guy's mind, his gayness lead to his pedophilia. If he later regretted his actions, his anti-gay-scout stance makes sense in a way. "Takes one to know one", after all.
      So while this news story might make us feel good, I'm not sure this will help the cause of gay scout leaders. Yeah he's a hypocrite, but he's also a gay scout leader that molested boys. (Even if found not guilty, the damage is done.)
    • jasoninoakland, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2It actually makes sense.
      The more gay people come out and lead normal lives, the fewer there are to engage in disgusting and seedy acts with him.
      This is why all those Republican closet cases are always against gay marriage, too. They'd prefer every gay man were in the stalls of public bathrooms tapping their feet...
    • ashlocke, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Come on, male molesting male child IS gay. This wasn't the goddamned Girl Scouts.
    • KungFuJesus, on 12/11/2007, -0/+3Some were age 17 according to the article. IMO that doesn't count as full on pedo, that's just gay
  • look4alec, on 12/10/2007, -7/+43He thought he could throw them off his trail with his anti-gay sentiment, or maybe he saw them as a threat to his monopoly.
    • Nightwind, on 12/10/2007, -0/+33Actually no. The connection between anti-gay sentiments and fear/insecurity about your own sexuality is well established. That why the worst gay haters are usually either 14 year old boys (insecure) or older man with homosexual tendencies (in denial or fear). It's self-hate directed at others.
      Mature heterosexual males' attitudes towards gay men are usually either characterized by complete indifference or mild amusement.
      On a personal note, you all can turn gay tomorrow, and I'd greatly appreciate that. Jessica Alba is all mine then! Mineeee!

      • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7If you were the last straight man left, she'd turn gay too.
    • gerbco, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4Those are ma'boys ya hear!!
    • zhulik83, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0I wonder how much THEY got paid to say ***** like that.
  • killakan, on 12/10/2007, -10/+161Accused != guilty.
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+13Actually, I bet it does in most people's minds.
      • Ciffirakkun, on 12/10/2007, -0/+10Sadly, I'd have to agree with you there. However, that's not the way it /should/ be. Everyone here has seen what passes for "news" or "journalism" in this country. The sensationalists have people convicted before they can get a word in edgewise or even have a chance to face their accuser in a court of law. How often do you think this taints the jury pool?
      • l0k0, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0Taints public opinion? Yes.
        Taints the jury pool? We do what we can but some circumstances are impossible to contain.
    • Lolerdong, on 12/10/2007, -15/+72 + 2 = 4!

      I like this game, lets post ridiculously obvious things!
    • Ianki, on 12/10/2007, -0/+16it's true. Sexual molestation is a very common false conviction. A lot of the time, there is no physical evidence and the kids were interrogated by police who don't take "no he didn't" as an answer. Homophobic Zealot scout-leader tells a nice story for the paper, but one needs to remain somewhat skeptical if only to be fair to the victim as well as the accused.
    • stronglikedan, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3You've obviously not been innocently caught up in the American justice system.
    • kaelyiesta, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2I'd digg you twice if I could. We all need to be reminded of that simple fact. We shouldn't go around with torches and pitchforks until the evidence is weighed.
    • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3WOW, thanks for reminding us all of that, we have been railing on this guy but he hasn't been convicted yet. If he IS found guilty then our statements stand, but if hes found innocent, we will all be ashamed of ourselves. (if your not then your making a dangerous statement about our legal system)
    • Calcularius, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3He *IS* guilty of being a douche bag, though.
  • pedrovoltaire, on 12/10/2007, -29/+91who the hell lets their kids go to boy scouts?
    • radink360, on 12/10/2007, -4/+15I took my step son to one meeting. After I saw the outcasts that were there, We never came back. It's definitely changed from when I was a kid.
      • Wrabbit26, on 12/10/2007, -11/+8It never changed from when you were a kid. It has always been the outcasts. Now you know where you sat in the social order when you were a kid.
      • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -6/+10No, you just don't remember how much of a loser you were as a kid.
      • objectcode, on 12/10/2007, -6/+5nice try boy scout
    • Hoogs, on 12/10/2007, -4/+38My parents did and I turned out all the better because of it. Don't let these rare bad apples give the Boy Scouts a bad image.
      • knightblade2oo4, on 12/10/2007, -13/+7yeah, let their cult-like nationalistic antics give them a bad image.
    • everslim101, on 12/10/2007, -12/+8Yeah, it really has changed. When I was 10 or so, it was the classy/sporty kind that was going. I was the outcast. A kid threw rocks at me so I beat the ***** out of him, and subsequently was told to go home.

      I hated Boy Scouts anyways... too many christian undertones for this atheist.
    • wolphcry, on 12/10/2007, -4/+10As an Eagle Scout i hope my son will want to join. It gave me a well rounded background. But know it looks like a place for single moms to dump their brats to get a "father figure" experience. Sad :(
      • nomadofthehills, on 12/10/2007, -0/+14I'm a 2006 Eagle Scout, I loved Boy Scouts. It all depends on individual troops. Some are great (like mine), some suck (like mine does now). We are getting all these kids that are forced to be there by the parents, not the ones that love camping, self-improvement and comradery.
        • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4agreed, same situation in my troop, which is why i have stepped down in recent years as an active member.
          2004 Eagle Scout (T-65 CT Yankee Council) for those who want to know
          but I HAVE stayed active in the Order of the Arrow (L-313) which is populated by people who have a real love of camping and fellowship
        • trilasonet, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3I'm a 2000 Eagle Scout, I am still active in my troop. As an adult, you can repay what you learned keep scouting like it used to be. My troop was a blast, sorry to hear others not having the same experience.
          • nomadofthehills, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1I agree with that, I am an assistant scoutmaster, and have gone back to summer camp. There are still a few kids that are ***** awesome, but most are little ***** heads.
      • ScionAltera, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6I'm a card carrying 1998 Eagle Scout and OA member (Cascade Pacific Council, Wauna La-Mon'tay Lodge). I was lucky to be in a small troop where all the parents were involved and the kids were glad to be there. I went through some tough times where I wanted to quit, as I'm sure everyone else did. My parents encouraged me to tough it out and I'm glad I did. I stuck with it because deep down I wanted to be there. Some of my friends tried it out, didn't like it and quit, and that's fine. It's not for everybody. There are other things out there that you can do, from football to band to ROTC. If I have a son I hope he will want to be in scouts, but if it's not his thing I won't push him into it. The worst thing I have seen is fathers who put their sons in scouts in order to live vicariously through them.
      • diggomaniac, on 12/11/2007, -1/+1I'm an Eagle Scout, my younger brother's an Eagle Scout, and my youngest brother is Life. I believe those who are Eagle Scouts are true American patriots. Both my brothers support Ron Paul, I hope and encourage all of you to support him as well. I fear he is our last chance. For Liberty!
    • theotheragentm, on 12/10/2007, -10/+9The same people who let their kids go to Catholic church.
      • DavidGX, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1The same people who force their kids to go to church*

        *fixed
    • warriorscot, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4I went to the original scouts for a while(Boys Brigade) but the christian undertones put me off and it was pretty lame all in all. When I was old enough I joined the Air cadets and never looked back and it is a far better experience, more opportunities and a better class of people on the whole. And not so many paedophiles is always a plus.
    • androothebear, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1im a scout and i think its one of the better things in my life. i'm not an outcast or social reject by any means. it is a great program and has a lot to offer, but people like this just give it a bad image. should we cast out the entire educational system just because a few teachers touch their students?
    • nunnible, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Anyone who wants their kids to have life changing experiences, achieve awards that are held in high regard, and to be taught a moral compass, as well as learning useful life skills
  • gh0sth4ck, on 12/10/2007, -9/+104South Park already did this one...
    • huniper, on 12/10/2007, -2/+13I don't know why someone dug you down, that was the plot of Season 5 Episode 3 of South Park
    • pedrovoltaire, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2big gay al... hehe
    • rmeddy, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Mr slippy fist
    • cnot3, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3...and now its time for naked pictures.
  • fani, on 12/10/2007, -2/+19Finally, a valid event where "ironic" can be used properly...
    • dildoolielly, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2CHRISTIANS RE-ELECT CHILD MOLESTERS

      FOLEY ....6 TIMES
  • cmuwriter, on 12/10/2007, -12/+4Who'dah thunk it? Doesn't that beat all?
  • Vennem, on 12/10/2007, -9/+5this reminds me of a South Park episode with big gay Al
  • etsa, on 12/10/2007, -3/+17Some actions are compensating for certain self-perceived lacking or inadequacy in character.
    How many people preach against one thing but doing it themselves?
    Usually the loudest of them all are guilty in someways.
    Ignorant hypocrite is the seed of all evil.
    • Doktag, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7It also relates to farts: "Whoever smelt it dealt it."
    • bobbknight, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3Like the harlot who ages into the prim proper prude.
      Hypocrite yes, Ignorant no, it;s difficult not to be cognizant when blowing little boys.
  • bjs3171, on 12/10/2007, -8/+6i'dah thunk it.
  • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -6/+19Is his name by any chance Mr. Garrison?

    Man, it's really funny when real life copies South Park.
    • ladyarcher85, on 12/10/2007, -0/+7Actually southpark mirrors real life.
      These things have been happening a long time ago but people prefer to keep mum about it.
      Then out comes a show that tells it like it is and most people here where I live think its just crass humor.
      They prefer to keep all dirty laundry and other debris of society swept under a clean carpet of ignorance, indifference and religiosity.
    • themoose, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Nothing to do with Mr Garrison, but yeah this is very much like a South Park episode where Big Gay Al is fired from scouts from being gay and his (straight) sucessor is a pedophile.
  • sonaboy, on 12/10/2007, -10/+64"Why do all these boyscouts keep trying to suck my *****?!?"
    • mal1964, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2Has anyone seen my rabbit?
    • mal1964, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1If you leave your door open long enough sooner or later someone will come in and try to take your stuff. The first thing they look for is the family jewels.
  • missingnoh4x, on 12/10/2007, -8/+110I'd say that any openly gay scout leader would be more trustworthy than the ones claiming to be straight.
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -3/+15True, at least the gay one's honest.
      I have gay friends I would much rather have babysitting my children, namely because most of them are better with children.
    • insomniacal, on 12/10/2007, -6/+15So every straight scout leader is an untrustworthy gay one?
      • MacSuxWindozSux, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2Just the gay ones claiming to be straight.
    • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -7/+1Thats just stupidity. Your claiming that all Boy Scouts are gay... i'm going to have to disagree, i have thousands of witnesses if you need them. And if your talking about scout Leaders only then i have a few hundred examples that will counter that. Sadly, i have no examples of openly gay scout leaders because... err, this is awkward... we don't exactly allow them.... but I'm sure they would be just a good as the strait ones and the hidden gay ones. Your statement is stupid and wrong not because you are defending gays (which your not) but because you are bashing the Scouts by saying: 'your all a bunch of fags' i though we were past that these days, especially on digg... but if were going back to 90's insults... your a fag
    • nunnible, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1I'm a scout leader, an I'm not gay.... I'd say I'm trustworthy, but then i would say that. As a general rule though, scouts are good people, they're generally people that have responded to a "we need leaders", with a "I'll do what i can", rather than either a "sit back and let things go from bad to worse" attitude.

      There are however incidents in any organistation that deals with vulnerable people. I can't speak for Boy Scouts Of America, but I at least know The UK's Scout Association is well know to have one of the best child protection records in the country, CRB checks, equivalent to teachers (the only organisation, other than Guiding, that can claim that here) and a record of actually dealing with the incidents it learns about (unlike say... the catholic church)
  • gtluke, on 12/10/2007, -2/+19such a shame. i had a fantastic experience in scouts for most of my younger years. i'd love to let my kinds have the same experience but it seems to be going all to ***** now.
    guess its our own fault for not volunteering ourselves and getting normal dads in there to help and teach.
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -7/+1And on top of it all, you are FABULOUS at interior design.
      • gtluke, on 12/10/2007, -3/+2actually, it made me a great marksman :)
        shooting guns at 12 ftw
        • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -3/+2shooting guns, eh? I bet that sure aint Freudian. :)

          Don't worry, your secret's safe with me.
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3So what your saying is that because he was in scouts, he's gay?
        That's an unbelievably retarded way of thinking.
        I went to scouts and had an awesome time. I am not gay, I only have an open mind to other people's sexuality.
    • m00kie, on 12/10/2007, -0/+7My son is in scouting, however, I volunteer. --- "it seem to be going all to ***** now" -- isolated incidents are not the same as the typical experience. it's a shame there are pervs that get access to children. it doesnt mean that the vast majority of scout adults are bad.
      • gtluke, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3yeah you are right, its not all going to *****. my perception of their safety is though. i'm sure this is a tiny isolated thing but it does throw off my perception of the orginization.
    • Veretax, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2I'm an Eagle Scout myself, and I'm seriously wondering, if what is needed is a brand new youth organization. The scoutting organization was great when I was in it, but it really does seem to be getting a lot of bad press lately.
      • cmuwriter, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1It doesn't matter, people like that guy get into those positions because they want to molest children. If there was a new organization, those people would just go and become a leader there.
      • DatumPirate, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1What is needed is what the rest of the world has for the WSO. Anyone can be in most other country's scout programs. Male, female, any religion, any race, no restrictions but age.
    • dildoolielly, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2If your son's Boy Scout master does not have his own child in the Scouts or especially a child of his own, chances are you are dealing with a card carrying fundy repuke gay pedo.
  • Dralite, on 12/10/2007, -12/+3I just liked the headline, very eye catching... To bad it wasn't in caps... that always makes it better... SAY IT LOUD!
  • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -4/+54They've released a photo http://tinyurl.com/2775tc
  • cobrawu, on 12/10/2007, -13/+70Oh my god, you morons!!! Being gay has NOTHING to do with molesting children! I absolutely agree that the boy scouts should have the freedom to include who they wish but that doesn't mean what they preach (intolerance) is is the right thing for our country. Some of the finest people I have meet have been gay. Get over yourselves.
    • DasCrackbaby, on 12/10/2007, -16/+9They were boys.
      boy + man = gay
      Gay pedophilia.
      • newbill123, on 12/10/2007, -3/+3man + boy = same-gendered
        man + man = gay

        At least that's what the people asking for legal equality want the term used. If the whole gay rights movement can be made to sound like an effort to marry or rape preschoolers then that's just as useful a concept to promote in a confused public. Pedophilia is about power not gender or consent. The term "gay" used in civil rights fights is meant to convey adult consensual sexual relations.
        • s0nicfreak, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2No, pedophilia is about young people being hot.
    • noahhoward, on 12/10/2007, -10/+20Molesting MALE children has a lot to do with being gay. No one is saying all gays molest children you idiot, we're pointing out the simple fact that this child molester happens to be gay.
      • cobrawu, on 12/10/2007, -12/+2Perhaps you are a gay pedophile and can relate?
    • cmuwriter, on 12/10/2007, -14/+5Well why didn't the creep molest little girls then? You sir are wrong.
      • cobrawu, on 12/10/2007, -2/+6Maybe because he had access to a boyscout group?
        • meshman, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1If he's a gay pedophile he's not going to molest little girls.
    • bjs3171, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2it's the fact that he was so anti-gay that's so "ironic" (not really), about this. Someone who brings a LAW SUIT about allowing gay people into any organization clearly has some repressed issues of his own. I'd say someone open and secure with his sexuality, no matter what that might be, is far less likely to do something like this than someone who bottles it up, and denies it his whole life. don't you think?
    • MaskedSlacker, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1And had he not been molesting MALE children, you wouldn't look as stupid as you do.
  • colonelpanic, on 12/10/2007, -4/+21Scouting is a great program. I can't think of a better way to teach one leadership skills. Unfortunately, things like this occur and give scouting a bad image-one that it does not deserve. This is one corrupt leader-not all scout leaders are immoral child molesters, as bad press like this might make you think.

    @pedrovoltaire
    The same could be said for a lot of things-it doesn't mean that its anything more than you're opinion. (I.E "Who the hell lets their kids go to a catholic church.") Thanks to the scouting program, I have, in my opinion, exceptional leadership skills, the rank of Eagle Scout (which looks great on a resume or college application I might add) and I can read a map, tie knots, build a fire, or set up a campsite better than almost everybody I know. Maybe you should look a little deeper into the scouting program, and what it can do for somebody.
    • Hoogs, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4Exactly. I too am an Eagle and have had nothing but good experiences in Scouting.
    • rmxz, on 12/10/2007, -6/+1Ah yes; leadership as in power; and power as in corrupts; just like in the troop described in this article.

      I didn't see anything quite so bad as this one; but when I saw it, at best such "leadership" is merely of the form of ambitious troop leaders cheating for their kids to get eagle to put on their college applications; and at worst, something more like a distributed stanford prison experiment.
      • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1LEARNING to be a good leader is the only effective way to prevent its abuse. the scouts teach how to be a good leader and give an opportunity to practice. 2 members of my small troop were class presidents at their large high schools. BS gives the skills and experiences that make good leaders
      • sparrowkc, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Yes. Because you think all leadership is corrupt, nobody should learn leadership skills. Anarchy doesn't really work that well in large groups.
        • rmxz, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1No, I don't think all leadership is corrupt - just that the fathers (the real leaders in the programs) involved in boy scouts that I've seen have typically been looking out primarily for their kid and pretending that their kid is "the leader".

          Want to teach kids that age leadership -- do it in a program that doesn't involve a small percentage of their fathers as the actual leaders.
    • warriorscot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2I found the cadets far more effective at teaching leadership, and it involves lots of flying planes and shooting guns, and of course learning things that are actually useful.
    • snyperr2s, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2I bring a solar powered GPS unit, lighters, a book of how to tie knots and a tent whenever i got out into the wild, walmart is my troop leader.
      • Rhenthalin, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4And it takes you two hours longer to figure all that ***** out. You should have joined the boyscouts.
      • sparrowkc, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2As you were flying out to meet your relatives for the holidays, the short hop airliner you were riding in crashed somewhere over Colorado. You were lucky enough to survive, but now you are faced with finding a Walmart before the sun goes down. Also no cell phone service.
    • Drax0n, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2You missed out the fact that scouting also keeps people virginity in tact, for at least the entire time they own one of those uniforms.
      • kalle86, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Not if your scout leader is the man in the article.
      • nunnible, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0You've never been to an 18-25 scout camp obviously...
    • Calcularius, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1"I can read a map, tie knots, build a fire, or set up a campsite better than almost everybody I know"
      *points and laughs*
    • boston02115, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1I'm glad you are having a good experience scouting, but would say that many among us would have real concerns about allowing our young children to participate. Like those in the Catholic church, pedophiles have been protected by the BSA for years, and the public is largely unaware of the prevalence of the problem. I would encourage anyone here to look at the Idaho Post Regiser's story called "Scout's Honor", which reads just like "The hand of God" did for the Catholic church. It's professional, organized abuse pedophiles done under the guise of an organization that is supposed to develop children into functional and productive adults.

      This is an organization that has little financial transparency, relies on calls to "patriotism" and "Christian values" orthodoxy messages. It's as if the BSA is a training ground for the neoconservatives of tomorrow. All the while, senior BSA management has threatened, intimidated and publicly maligned those who dare to challenge it.

      Just think about it. These young boys who are molested and tortured at the hands of pedophiles haven't the slightest power to challenge their treatment, especially from a psychological sense that we might find strength from as adults. They are often frightened and intimidated into silence, and many have to bear this burden with other children knowing full well who is chosen to be molested in the camps. While this abuse is happening, they are often deep in the woods at night with no chance of making any escape. This situation is designed to protect and enable the molester, and the BSA knows this.

      I would not voluntarily associate with any organization that has chosen to protect pedophiles, and would object to its presence on public school grounds or other publicly-funded forums. Like the Catholic church scandals of ten years ago, the public is surely only beginning to learn the scope of this abuse. As you read this, it's likely that this is happening in real time to some boy scout, somewhere in the country. Deplorable.


      • nunnible, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0Again... I don't know american scouting brilliantly... But i do know UK scouting has been accused of such things... and I personally knew a leader get thrown into the scouting wilderness thanks to allegations....

        If what you say is true... do you have any knowledge on the reaction of the WSO?
  • drmangrum, on 12/10/2007, -11/+2Whats that saying?

    Me thinks you doth protest too much, or something to that effect.
    • howilearned, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1It's from "Hamlet":
      "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (III.ii.230)
  • Ninnux, on 12/10/2007, -1/+23Isn't there a theory in psychology that states you fear most what you resent about yourself?
    • cmuwriter, on 12/10/2007, -2/+20The the reason I fear cylons is because I'm a cylon?! Nooooooooooo!
      • CountBlah, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Do you constantly hear Bob Dylan songs? If so, you're probably a cylon. So out the airlock you go.
    • thecatcantalk, on 12/10/2007, -9/+4So, people who are terrified of spiders, are...spiders? And war refugees whom are terrified of soldiers are...soldiers? And little kids who are terrified of clowns, are...clowns? Looks like another pop-psychological "theory" that sounds like it makes sense, until one actually thinks about it. There's a good reason why psychologists have to be licensed, after spending 7 years in college studying psychology. It's to prevent "insights" such as that one being used on kids.
      • hierophantus, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2Awesome logic. Did it occur to you that this theory would not have be applied to EVERY fear in order to explain certain kinds of fears? Did it occur to you that such an explanation is probably not best represented by a brief comment by a person on Digg who is actually asking about it, rather than asserting it? Nah. You just go ahead and trash an entire profession based on your *****-poor understanding of both psychology and logic.
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5So what you're saying is that I fear Death because I am Death? Sweet!
      I just have to make sure to wear gloves from now on.
    • hierophantus, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2I don't know if there's a specific one that fits the bill, but these two contain some aspects of what you describe:

      Projection

      In Psychoanalytic Theory, the defense mechanism whereby we transfer or project our feelings about one person onto another.

      Reaction Formation

      A defense mechanism where unacceptable impulses are converted to their opposite.

      (from http://allpsych.com/dictionary/)
    • MaskedSlacker, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1I'm a pigeon? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
  • hodet, on 12/10/2007, -9/+4Sick bastard. Wants them all for himself I guess.
  • Madpony, on 12/10/2007, -7/+9"Good! Now, the first activity for this evening will be... naked pictures. I'm going to take some pictures of each of you naked, in case we need them, for later."
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+3"Hey dad, I got my first badge today! It's the Naked Photoshoot badge!"
  • john570, on 12/10/2007, -6/+3He didnt do it!
  • shartman, on 12/10/2007, -7/+2Par for the course!
  • Lavarock, on 12/10/2007, -7/+1Jesus ***** christ... why...

    Hey do we have to even run this one? Do people have to become any stupider when it comes to boy scouts? more gay pedophile jokes? aurgh...
  • kreatre2007, on 12/10/2007, -10/+15Oh this is rich! The Boy Scouts is actually a good organization despite its ban against gays and atheists. Isn't it interesting that a lot of people who are supposedly against gays decide that it's totally OK to become gay sexual predators? I hope they cut his balls off if he's guilty. This makes EVERY gay person look like a pediphile.... which we're not.

    I didn't see a picture in the article though... If this guy is white, over weight, wears glasses and, has hairy arms then, he's probably a child molestor.
    • STKD, on 12/10/2007, -3/+10So to sum up that comment: People making unfair generalisation about gay people or yourself, not okay. You making extremely unfair generalisation based on what you assume he looks like, that's okay.
      Right...
      • kreatre2007, on 12/10/2007, -5/+4You're not too bright are you? I was making a joke.
        • cloudyprison, on 12/10/2007, -2/+3They're always making a joke when you point out stupidity.
    • TacitusBen, on 12/10/2007, -2/+6This story doesn't make Gay people look like pedophiles. It reconfirms that closeted, extremely homophobic, conservative, fam-values adult men are pedophiles.
  • govsucks, on 12/10/2007, -3/+21Yeah, don't allow gays, but pedophiles are OK. Jeez what a ***** up individual. I really don't care if someone is gay, not really my business what they do with their life. But when someone starts molesting kids, male or female, its time to prop a knife up in them.
    • Veretax, on 12/10/2007, -1/+6I highly doubt that the BSA would intentionally allow a leader who is a Known pedophile to become a leader in their organization. Its my understanding that all adult leaders now have to get background checks before they can even be approved.
      • mlostracco, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4If all potential Scout leaders get background checks and are well-screened, then they have nothing to worry about for admitting gays. I would also hazard a guess that any gay man wishing to be a Scout leader is painfully, acutely aware of the misguided impression some people have of him as an automatic pedophile (and the danger of anything he does/says being misinterpreted), and would probably be the person in the troop you'd have to worry about the least.
        • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Teachers are background checked before getting their license, but I've heard of pedos getting by it.
          It's a good idea, but the whole background check needs a restructuring.
      • govsucks, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2Well, I wasn't really talking about BSA. I was talking about this individual and how HE went off about gays and then molested children. I'm sure the BSA wouldn't knowingly allow a pedophiles, this is about a individual not the BSA
  • mal1964, on 12/10/2007, -6/+1You keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
  • SpaceDreamer, on 12/10/2007, -11/+3BREAKING: emperor Palpatine is a bad person
    • llamaguy132, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2your the only person that could make me digg down a Star Wars reference, jackass
  • boer, on 12/10/2007, -14/+8if($victim == "Female" && $abuser == "Male"){
    pedophile != gay;
    }elseif($victim == "Male" && $abuser == "Male"){
    pedophile == gay;
    }
    In this case pedophile == gay;
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+1Is it really that hard to understand? or are more people here not nerds like earlier believed?
    • spider418, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4You missed female/female, but perhaps you should have taken Psychology instead of Computer Science. If a male abuses a little girl, does that mean that he is 100% straight? How about other way around, if you are straight does that mean that you have an urge to molest little girls? If so, can a gay guy blame straight men for being immoral child molesters?

      Homosexuality and pedophilia are different.
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2They are different, and I really hope no one confuses them. All I'm thinking is that they can be combined.
      • meshman, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3"Homosexuality and pedophilia are different."

        How is boer stating otherwise?

        "In this case pedophile == gay;"

        In THIS case, yes. He's gay (likes males). And a pedophile. (young males)
    • TimRogers, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3In this case $you != "funny".
  • slimnickyy, on 12/10/2007, -5/+27This is because gay men do not wish to molest young boys, only pedophiles do. Therefore these anti-gay policies are ridiculous, hurtful and ignorant as they do not target sexual predators at all. Yes there may be some gay men that are pedophiles, but there's just as many men who do not identify as gay but who wish to abuse male children. The two are not linked and it's sad that this has happened to this boy, but it's also sad that men who happen to be gay are excluded by the very people who actually wish to cause harm to children, as happened in this case.
  • Wikkert, on 12/10/2007, -3/+4Scout leaders, choir leaders and catholic priest molesting little boys. Cliché, I say!
    Luckily on the outside it all looks like decent Christian morals.
    • mal1964, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Sounds like you staying outside has given you decent morals.
  • Velnich, on 12/10/2007, -2/+8I'd love to hear more about anti-gay types getting horribly outed, but it's all too possible that someone didn't like his stance on homosexuality and attacked him with a story all too many people would be eager to believe. It said he's been a scouts leader for how many years and they just recently came up with 4 kids willing to admit they were abused?

    Let's just say I'll wait till this is resolved by the courts to throw my condemnation into the mix.
    • newbill123, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2There's a coach at our local YMCA who is well-revered. He's been dead for thirty years and he has camps and equipment and fields and locker rooms named after him. He's got commemorative markers and bronze statues in his memory all over the place. But recently a handful of adult men have come out with stories of behavior they feel was "unchristian" toward them back when they were in grades K-3. Even now such accusations are discussed only in hushed conversations, but the fact that he was so beloved by the community made his accusers feel like they were hurting him by coming forward even as adults after he was dead.

      I bet it would be extremely difficult for current scouts to accuse their leader even if they could get over all the rationalizations thrown at them ("Oh it's really not sex.", "Here's an exercise in getting to know your body", "This is natural as long as you think about women", etc). While I'd certainly treat any accusations with due concern, I wouldn't dismiss the stories of former scouts just because they didn't have the balls to come out with their stories while in the scouts.

      • Velnich, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1No doubt, but I've also heard stories where a group of kids joined together to accuse an adult or official of inappropriate touching when nothing had happened. The possibility is enough to give me pause. At least long enough to see if he's convicted or not. They fact that a parent and child came forward together does make me think it's more likely he'll be found guilty.
    • Wrabbit26, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1Why wait? The courts are made up of people just like yourself. Sure they have been through years of college and law school but that doesn't determine their judgments. It is their beliefs that ultimately decide which way they will go each case. What's wrong with your opinion on the matter now? We are all making comments on the story we read and like all of history and news it is one person's views on how they saw it. I really doubt this thread will be linked to the new one when a judgment is handed down. So speak your mind on what you see.
    • avidlinuxuser, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2It took over 30 years before some of the priests in the Catholic Church to be outed. Not all people are brave. Indeed, most people are fearful when confronting someone who has wronged them in such a horrible way.
  • jesusbikerfreak, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

    • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Do not suppose that I came to bring peace to the earth, I did not come to bring peace but a sword! Those that are mine enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me!
      • id10tjoeuser, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1After Jesus had given this illustration, he continued on his way to Jerusalem (Luke 19:28).
    • dildoolielly, on 12/10/2007, -0/+41. Love your enemy.
      2. Turn the other cheek.
      3. Put away your sword.
      4. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
      5. Sell what you have and give to the poor.
      Everytime you confront a member of the religious right with these verses, they turn red in the face, start foaming at the mouth, and accuse you of taking things "out of context". It's hilarious!
  • nem0, on 12/10/2007, -5/+4Maybe he was just trying to prove his point ;-)
  • Veretax, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4If the allegations against this man are true, then he deserves to have the full force of justice imposed upon him for his actions. HIs "orientation" is irrelevant in this case. I for one am apalled.
  • roberto_deneero, on 12/10/2007, -14/+4ALL Boy Scout members are gay, duh. That's why they go into the woods for days on end with little boys. Anyone seen Deliverance?
    • mlostracco, on 12/10/2007, -0/+8Appalachian hillbilly gang ≠ Boy Scout troop
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -2/+4That was so incredibly ignorant, I actually have nothing to say besides ***** YOU.
    • everslim101, on 12/10/2007, -3/+1Wow, you guys know he's being sarcastic, don't you?
      Obviously not. I digg up.
  • robertml1, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4Same old story- the most vehemently anti-gay are always the sickest, most closeted people.
    And for the record, the vast majority of child sex abusers are straight men abusing girls.
  • STKD, on 12/10/2007, -4/+7Accused now automatically equals guilty I see. Bravo, diggers. Bravo.
    • robertml1, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah, the kids probably all got together and made up their story. That happens a lot.
      • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -1/+2Well, didn't that happen with Michael Jackson?
      • killakan, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, I seem to remember a day care molestation case where people were convicted and put in jail, only to have their convictions over-turned because the kids were coerced into saying what the adults questioning them wanted to hear.
      • chrishiggins, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3Ever hear of the Salem witch trials?
    • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1you think the jury isn't going to believe the kids? Sure he might be found innocent, and the sun might explode tomorrow.
      • chrishiggins, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1He can be found innocent, but he may as well be found guilty because acquittal != redemption.
        • MWeather, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1That's what I said. He can be found innocent and the sun can explode tomorrow.
        • jhnewt, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1If the sun exploded, we wouldn't know for over 8 minutes.
  • frostbyt, on 12/10/2007, -23/+6This only proves that gays are not born gay. They are made gay by being molested. How else would a gay gene be passed on if a gay person can not reproduce?
    • oneniner, on 12/10/2007, -1/+10WTF are you talking about?? The article said the boys were molested, not that they came out as gay after being molested.

      And for the record, gays can reproduce!! All we need is a sperm donor or a surrogate. But gay parents don't make gay children, just like all straight parents don't make all straight children.







    • Jawshie, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3Actually it only proves that some people like children... I seriously can not believe that you think ALL homosexuals were molested as a child.
      • mlostracco, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1That doesn't even make sense anyway. Most people who are molested end up straight, and most gay people were never molested. Plus, people compound the baggage that comes with being both molested and gay by attributing one to the other, which is staggeringly insensitive. Not to mention that gay people he knows are aware that he automatically thinks they were molested, even when they weren't—which is idiotic.
    • JustonMD, on 12/10/2007, -1/+1Because a section of society tells them it's wrong, so they marry the opposite sex and have children. No straight person would choose that lifestyle. But if you think you could be gay with the same gender if you were raised differently then keep your point of view.
    • CountryBoyRI, on 12/10/2007, -0/+7This PROVES nothing. Perhaps you should stop talking about something for which you have no direct evidence or experience.

      I'm going to make a (pretty safe) assumption that you're straight. I'm gay. Trust me, people aren't MADE gay. They don't choose it. It chooses them. It's like hair color, eye color, blood type, or a preference for spicy food. You didn't consciously CHOOSE to be straight. I didn't consciously choose to be gay. It just happened. You can't change your orientation, and neither can I.

      Don't talk about things you don't know about. It makes you sound like that guy from Cheers. You talk like you know something, but most of it is *****.
      • frostbyt, on 12/10/2007, -3/+1I disagree. You choose men over women. Thats a choice. Therefore being gay IS a choice as much as being straight is a choice. Much like you can choose to change the channel or change your hair style. If being gay is your thing go for it. But know this. Everything we do is by choice.
        • CountryBoyRI, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3Unless you know me, don't presume to speak FOR me.

          I didn't CHOOSE to be gay. I didn't CHOOSE a "lifestyle." I didn't CHOOSE my sexual orientation. This isn't a preference. It's who I am. You know SQUAT about what it means to be gay, what causes it, or what goes on inside my head, so kindly STFU about what you THINK you know.

          Believe me, I've been through all the ***** that society has imposed upon me about trying to change, about being politically correct, religiously correct, trying to change, and all that other *****. I cannot change the inner mechanism that determines that I am sexually attracted to men. It is not a conscious choice. I have no choice in the matter. If I did, I'd be crazy to CHOOSE a lifestyle that brings with it all the ridicule, discrimination, condemnation and outright bigotry displayed by those of your ilk.

          So, once again, stop talking about things you KNOW nothing about. You're an armchair queer at best.
          • frostbyt, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Am I really speaking for you? You said yourself you choose men over women. Thats what being gay is right?

            Btw a preference is a choice.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference
            "It assumes a real or imagined "choice" between alternatives and the possibility..."

            What is to know about being gay? You like the gender of the same sex. That was hard. Your jumping to the conclusion that I want to change you. That is not the case here. Be GAY all day for all I care.

            My argument here is that IF there is a gay gene it would have breded it's way out of existence a long time ago. So being gay can not be genetic and therefor must be a choice.
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/10/2007, -0/+5So at what point did you choose to be straight?
    • drakenlot, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Did I miss something? Is there really a 'gay gene'?
      • newbill123, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3drakenlot asked: "Is there really a 'gay gene'?"

        Of course there is, he was ordained Bishop in the Episcopal Church. I think he had a slot on Match Game for a while too, didn't he?
    • meshman, on 12/10/2007, -1/+4"This only proves that gays are not born gay. They are made gay by being molested."

      Jackass. I'm gay and never been molested. I know, next time I have a plumbing problem I'll call an electrician because the last person you should trust on the subject of plumbing is a plumber.
      • frostbyt, on 12/10/2007, -2/+2It is a proven fact that children sexually abused end up gay. How can a gay couple spawn a child to pass along their gay gene? It has to be someones choice to be gay. I am not gay bashing here. Far from it.

        Didn't you choose men over women by choice?
  • republicker, on 12/10/2007, -9/+2I cant really believe people still send their kids to Boys Scouts these days.
  • JustonMD, on 12/10/2007, -3/+5Time and time again the most outspoken critics of homosexuals are in fact homosexuals themselves. Sen. Larry Craig, Rev. Ted Haggard....
  • eklife, on 12/10/2007, -6/+1PWNT!
  • dildoolielly, on 12/10/2007, -4/+19►"CHRISTIAN FAMILY VALUES"
  • lpmiller, on 12/10/2007, -2/+12While being gay has nothing to do with molestation, clearly this man was afraid of any possible competition.
  • jimjoebobbillyb, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5It's just hilariously sad, and ***** for everyone. who knows what mental depths he plumbed? maybe he started obsessing on the "gay lifestyle" after he had his day in the Supreme Court, maybe he's always been a hypocrite. maybe the kids were molested by their parents, and are accusing a more convenient target. maybe he's a freakish little Nazi pedophile and has fooled everyone for years (like the Pope! ha ha!) there's no way to judge without knowing more circumstances....if it was YOU being accused, you'd want more of your side told....
    I'll bet 50 bucks he's a big "family values" voter, though. When this happens in the same way repeatedly, it indicates a pattern.
    (see the last year, on an almost weekly basis, the parade of anti-gay "activists" getting busted having sex or paying for sex with men)

    btw, Larry Craig called to offer some blustery denial and wants to meet with this guy, at some bar called "the leftmost stall in the 3rd story bathroom of the SF airport".
    I'm not too sure if that's a real club or not...
  • zionKing, on 12/10/2007, -3/+2There is a maxim "You become what you hate."
    • Bodhinature, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1It should be, "You are what you hate in others."
  • mexretroshore, on 12/10/2007, -6/+6This only proves that gays are not born gay. They are made gay by being molested. How else would a gay gene be passed on if a gay person can not reproduce?

    -- This is an astonishingly stupid, hate-driven statement.
    • RedNeckerson, on 12/10/2007, -8/+3There is no one way to become gay, but you did list a very important one. I'll list a few more.
      1. Being molested (as you stated).
      2. Having a domineering man-hating mom (the son tries to gain her love by acting like a girl).
      3. Being born with a congenital defect or unusual hormonal makeup that results in ambiguous sexual traits; more extreme forms of this result in hermaphrodism.
      3. Simply being turned on by perverted forms of sex.

      While some people can be born predisposed to homosexual behavior (see #3 above), it has NEVER been shown to be genetic. Gays tend to lie about that a lot hoping that it will force acceptance of their behavior.
      • richard2, on 12/10/2007, -3/+2So, when did you become a scientist?
        • RedNeckerson, on 12/10/2007, -5/+2I graduated with you. Remember?
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