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- clear9, on 10/26/2007, -12/+170its interesting - but there isnt really a clear point to it
- MCCULLAH, on 10/26/2007, -1/+105they forgot the hours spent getting drunk and high
- DeFex, on 10/26/2007, -7/+85they want you just smart enough to read advertisements and dumb enough to believe them.
- kettlechips, on 10/18/2007, -7/+77Why are we still using text books? Seriously.
- xnike2livx, on 10/16/2007, -3/+71I am a student at Penn State, and basically all of these signs describe me. Literally, I've had like two teachers since I've been here that have known my name. But, I am the one that chose to come to a big school. However, the movie seems to have forgotten the signs that say I care more about football and drinking then I do anything else.
- psylence, on 10/18/2007, -4/+66I imagine the guy behind the camera saying "Look sad" might have something to do with it.
- DragonGirl724, on 10/17/2007, -4/+48meh. school is a building, education is what you make of it. Time management is crucial, I graduated last year and I commuted 4-6 hours each day to my university and I still managed to graduate with honors, AND I actually learned a few things here & there...(oh, and I DEFINITELY spent more than 3.5 hours on the internet). So I don't understand exactly what this video is trying to portray. Not to mention I never bought ONE TEXTBOOK. Here's some advice for you college kids; every book you are assigned to purchase for class is in your school library. It's mandatory for every college to supply it's library with the assigned reading material, so you can either BUY your over priced books OR just read/photocopy the pages from the library. There are some ways around the system.
- twtmc, on 10/18/2007, -17/+60Our school system doesn't work, that is clear. Hopefully something radical will happen that will completely change the system into something that teaches things other than just "work work work, consume consume consume"
- fuelvolts, on 10/18/2007, -4/+42I wish I was only in debt $20,000 when I graduate. I'll be right under $80,000 when I graduate law school. 7 years of higher education will do that to you.
- SlipstreamLucas, on 10/18/2007, -5/+37i get a profound sense of sadness from watching that. The people all look so hollow.
- mutatron, on 10/17/2007, -2/+32Why do people even care if the teacher knows their name? All my life I've never understood people who could let a teacher affect their learning. To me, I'm there to learn, the teacher is there to certify that I have learned. Outside of that the only thing the teacher needs to do is be able to answer my questions.
And I never took a class I thought was irrelevant. Everything is relevant, there's not a scrap of knowledge on the face of the Earth that isn't valuable in some way. I got my degree in physics, but when I took a class in finance I never had the attitude that it was unimportant. At the very least I want to know what the ***** financial people do all day, so I can have some respect for it. And history, and civics, who doesn't need to know about those?
It's like my daughter used to say to people in high school who whined about having to learn algebra because they were never going to use it in life: "You know all about Britney's sex life, but you think algebra is a waste of time?!" - apollomurga, on 10/18/2007, -0/+27Never Let Schooling Get in the Way of Your Education. -Mark Twain.....nuff said
- cliffzdude, on 10/16/2007, -5/+30I felt irony, in that the video had points of complaint regarding the educational system yet the students took pride in admitting they liked to ***** off. I'm not really sure how an educational system can "fix" student's apathy. Drive comes from within, if you're driven or can find that spark to ignite your internal motor, you'll learn while in college. If you expect the system to force feed you, if you think your profs are the problem, then you're basically *****.
- RobertSheets, on 10/17/2007, -2/+26I am going to take a gander and say that not one of those students is an engineering major.
- HaloZero, on 10/20/2007, -12/+34WTF.... Most of that crap was just idoicy. You spend many hours on facebook, email, and etc. Well freaking DUH. And some of that crap is the student's fault. Oh I dont pay attention lecture wah wah. Stop crying and complaining about your own lack of being able to pay attention in class.
- SlipstreamLucas, on 10/17/2007, -12/+33its more of a thought provoking piece from which you must draw your own conclusions. Looking for a clear 'point' kind of highlights the message they are attempting to get across.
- glittler, on 10/15/2007, -4/+24I think that the education system is faulty but its not all teacher's and college's fault. I think the Textbook system is a joke. Online editions could be so much cheaper and efficient
- greenlight2001, on 10/18/2007, -1/+21*pffft*... $220,000 after I finish med school... I'd take $80,000 any day. 8 years of higher education will do that to you.
- OHiggins, on 10/18/2007, -10/+29how about maybe paying teachers more than a pittance for what they do.
- nullvector, on 10/15/2007, -5/+24Seems like they complain a lot but offer no alternatives.
They do have choices.
1. Skip class (if they think its worthless), and just show up for exams.
2. Go to a smaller school.
3. Become involved in study groups where you often learn more with others than you do in class.
Just because technology changes, doesn't give you an excuse to claim that 'it doesnt relate to my life'. What do they want to learn? How to surf facebook and myspace all day?
I did my time in college, got my degree, and got a great job. I have no sympathy for those who whine about the choices they make and the places they choose to get their education.
Remember, it was their choice to attend. - kroenecker, on 10/16/2007, -2/+211) Learning isn't about being spoon fed.
2) Most of the criticisms in the video were REALLY about the STUDENTS making POOR personal decisions.
3) You make of school what you put into it. School ISN'T entertainment unless you love learning. Period.
4) I'm tired of hearing lazy kids whine about their situation. - nreynolds, on 10/18/2007, -5/+22what?
- Raian, on 10/18/2007, -12/+29That was pretty emo
- D3koy, on 10/16/2007, -1/+17Know what would be a good class for this kid? A "hold the ***** camera steady" class...
- jiganto, on 10/16/2007, -1/+16Everyone is always complaining about the modern education system, and I agree it's not perfect, but I don't exactly see anybody proposing any viable alternatives. What would be better, go back to a feudal system of master and apprentice? People complain about learning things they don't use in real life, so is a better alternative to have a person who is a master of say physics of engineering but knows squat about culture, history, and society? Or the reverse of that? The current education system, regardless of it's flaws, is the greatest equalizing force in our society, it gives an average student a large enough toolset to do a variety of things with their lives.
I think that the main problem we have, like someone already said above, is that most people just don't know what to do with their lives. We're raising a generation of bland drones that aspire to nothing. I think that if you found a way helping people find focus in their lives, you would have a lot less bitching about the education system because those people would be occupied a lot more with getting ***** done. - D3koy, on 10/17/2007, -1/+16I don't know what "gaz" is, so I'm going to have to assume it means butt-sex....
- carbog, on 10/16/2007, -4/+18You go to college to be educated, not entertained. Yes you have to sit in a chair and listen. You have to read books and write essays. Yes you can get information by doing a google search, but that is never going to give you any sort of intelligence. Learning is hard work and i personally hate pretentious students who feel like they are smarter than their professors and have to lecture them with stupid videos like this. If you don't like school because your lazy, then stop paying thousands of dollars for it and drop out. Then you'll have all the time you want to talk on your cell phone and read facebook profiles.
- standrum, on 10/17/2007, -5/+18I go to a private university and none of this really applies to me. I've had 2 classes that had more than 30 people and the vast majority of my teachers know me by name. Like anything else, you get what you want out of your education. Why would you blame the system if you pay money to go to class, but play on facebook?
- SpykerSpeed, on 10/17/2007, -1/+14What's the demand in the market for another lawyer? I don't get why everyone and their dog needs to be an attorney.
- airwalkery2k, on 10/16/2007, -2/+15To better educate students and keep them more motivated, clearly either the educational system must change to fit the students, or you must change a mass of people's attitudes towards education. Guess which one is easier to change?
I have few problems surviving in the system, but even I know it can be better. - EpsilonDelta, on 10/16/2007, -3/+15This is stupid. The average class size in an Intro Blank (Sociology, Econ, Psych, etc...) may be something like 200 people in a giant lecture hall, but once you get to a point where you're doing something meaningful, assuming you're at a real university, you will not have more than 10 or 15 students in your class, and I'll bet that those kids are reading a lot more than 49% of their assigned work.
This video doesn't represent the student who actually wants to get a real degree and do something meaningful, but it IS a good description of people who go to college simply to get ***** up for four years. The system's not failing anyone, it's these kids' desire for the path of least resistance that's ***** them over. - unearth, on 10/15/2007, -3/+15Well, you could whore yourself out to a thousand fat chicks
- jasonmantey, on 10/16/2007, -0/+12Gradeschool and secondary school perhaps - but the US certainly has the best university system in the world. Go check any ranking body. ~70% of the top 50 are in the USA.
http://www.arwu.org/rank/2004/top500(1-100).htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/ - Verdanic, on 10/15/2007, -1/+12... Using Google = wasting life away now? I thought it saved you a ***** of time.
- SiNN4R, on 10/15/2007, -0/+10We'll just hire the Chinese to do it.
- orp2000, on 10/19/2007, -8/+18Oh good, a video about spoiled, self-centered brats screaming "me, me, me." Who is this idiotic video maker who is pandering so brazenly to the ego-centric banality in our culture and pretending they have something profound to say? Education isn't always about "you," it's often about things outside of you, to give you a little perspective, Sparky. "Whine, whine, whine, my teacher doesn't know my name and my classes aren't all about me and my world."
Asinine. - CapeKid, on 10/15/2007, -4/+14You got something against corn?
- saifatlast, on 10/17/2007, -0/+9>>Literally, I've had like two teachers since I've been here.
Do your professors not have office hours? Can't you go up to them and talk to them after class? Send them e-mails asking questions? I go to a huge school, too, but if I talk to my professors, they learn my name, just like anyone else. The reality is that you have to do a little bit of work to make it happen, but that's true of anything worth doing. - Bkaufman, on 10/17/2007, -0/+9Technology is making it too easy for crappy teachers to teach. OH LETS JUST THROW UP A POWER POINT OF THIS PROBLEM NOW YOU CAN LEARN IT. Powerpoint is the devil.
- gemlarin, on 10/16/2007, -1/+10I attend a small college where i study graphic design. I have an average of 18 students in each class, my teachers know me by name, some to the point of exchanging regular emails on topics completely unrelated to class. My tuition is less than 8,000 a year, although grants cover most of that, and thanks to individualized attention and excellent instructors, I will be carrying a 4.0 with me to my next school for my masters.
If you pay more than me, have larger classes than me, and are a face in the crowd for your instructors, is it really worth it?
There are other options. - SodaForJones, on 10/15/2007, -1/+10that would be wheat, Kansas wheat....not corn, that's Nebraska.
- unearth, on 10/16/2007, -0/+8So the publishers can dick around with the page numbers, add a few examples, and fill a swimming pool with our money.
If you actually read most of the "n-th Edition" upgrades, it will say something like "40 new problems!" in a ***** thousand-page book. - stinkypyper, on 10/16/2007, -0/+8If you want teachers to know your name then go ***** talk to them. Don't kiss ass, just say hi and get to know them. Your not in high school anymore so you can talk to them man to man and they'll respect you for it.
Also, stop dicking around so much and take difficult classes that push you. Your there to study and learn, not ***** around on facebook. If your done your studying then go drink, smoke weed, and *****, but don't burn your time on stupid ***** like that. Lastly, don't complain about it not being practical, learning is not always about practical knowledge, it's about stressing and pushing the mind so it can grow just like a muscle. - NoStoppingUs, on 10/15/2007, -3/+11yeah, i was hoping for something more creative. i'm pretty sure i did that "write it down and hold it up" project in 10th grade.
- mutatron, on 10/15/2007, -2/+10That's just what I was thinking - interesting, but so what, everybody's got problems. But if that's what it's like, I'm glad I didn't send my daughter to a place like KSU. She got scholarships to a small private school and she loves it. Small classes, good teachers - rich kids are kind of a pain, though.
- edolfo, on 10/16/2007, -0/+8Huh. I find almost no correlations between myself and the students in this video. I'm doing math + physics at UC Santa Cruz, but my classes are all small and the interaction with the professors is quite high. It's quite common to see students asking professors questions, and vice-versa.
I imagine this is partly due to my choice of majors, that is, not many people choose to major in either physics or math. I've noticed that in the lower division non-hard-science classes, this video certainly applies more, but it's easier to be more apathetic with a larger class size. It's easier to disappear in a crowd if the crowd is larger.
But I feel that this ultimately comes back to the choice of a field of study. Although not certainly the case for everyone, I tend to (perhaps naively) view business/economics and social-science type fields of study as the fields you choose if you're unsure of what you want to do, but feel that you should be going to college anyways. This plays in nicely with the whole apathy thing, since if you're studying something you don't really care about, it makes sense that you would do things like not show up to class, not try to get to know the professor, not pay attention in class, etc... Not that caring about the subject necessarily makes you do the opposite of those things, but it makes you less likely to mimic the same behaviors.
So certainly a part of it is personal responsibility, and part of it is due to the institution. I feel that as a student, you are making quite a significant investment of time, money, effort, and general direction in life. As such, beyond having a direction in so far as your direction of study goes, you should try to go to an institution that is set up to let you succeed, and then take the steps to actually do it. You can't realistically expect for everything to be handed to you, but you can't also be expected to succeed if the system is designed to make you fail.
Of course, this all assumes that some sort of so-called higher education is both necessary and sufficient for your desired direction in life. If you don't need to attend a university to do what you want to do, then don't go. Ultimately you are accountable only to yourself, even though it may not seem like it at the time. - eatbeefjerky, on 10/17/2007, -0/+8Having purchased a book in PDF format, I can honestly say that I'd RATHER have the book. However, SOMEONE needs to ***** babysit these corrupt, money grubbing textbook companies because seriously... There should be a new edition of a certain MATH textbook MAYBE every 5 years IF that. Math doesn't change. Law books I can understand needing new ones. Various programming or computer books or really anything relating to technology... yes. Science? Yes... sometimes. Math? No. History? No. Seriously.
- Soapdish, on 10/17/2007, -1/+9bunch o' pissy students. And, I say that as a student.
- crestfall, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8Please stop saying pwns... PLEASE
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