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- knde, on 02/09/2008, -16/+285I always wonder in these cases, if the younger party (male or female) were to come forward and say, "I was willing...I agreed to all relations...I knew what I was doing etc" would that be taken into consideration?
I tend to agree with Simonetta Matone, a judge in the article who says that, “Every relationship is a relationship and the real maturity, whether physical or psychological, of the minor must be weighed, with the help of experts.”
According to the EJI (http://www.eji.org/eji/reports/cruelandunusual), they have documented 73 cases in the U.S., where 13 and 14 year-old children have been tried as adults, mostly for violent crimes. So is the message we are trying to send; teenagers understand violence but not sex?
Whether we would like to admit it to ourselves, there are female teenagers who are intentionally sexually active (engaging in sex with no external pressure from others) and intentionally seeking sexual partners (be they younger or older men or women).
I feel there should be a standard test or procedure to gauge all such interactions. It should be able to discern maturity levels, mutual consent, sexual behaviour and understanding between both parties.
The articles states the 13 year-old girl sent a “stream of torrid text messages”. Do we automatically dismiss her actions as “Oh she’s too young! She didn’t know what she was doing?” If she had instead shot and killed someone, would we be saying the same thing? - nepawoods, on 02/09/2008, -2/+126"She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen, she was very willing, I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red beaver right up there in front of you, I don't think it's crazy at all and I don't think you do either. No man alive could resist that, and that's why I got into jail to begin with."
--- Jack Nicholson as McMurphy in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" - xTerrySchiav0x, on 02/09/2008, -4/+87- he took her to see Hannah Montana at the movies and thats where the love connection began - dirty slut is using him
- uazzhole, on 02/09/2008, -7/+83And if it was the other way around "34 female-13 male" it wouldn't be a big deal......
- knde, on 02/09/2008, -8/+75And adults are of course ALWAYS mentally mature??? No one is condoning taking advantage of minors. All one is saying, is that not all minors are of the same mental capacity or reasoning. To generalize in such a fashion, is of no use to anyone.
And not to be rude, but your statement, "A 13 year-old can't make mature decisions" is a very Westernized point of view. I have seen children be the sole providers for their family, in West African countries. I have met 13 to 19 year old refugees of the Sierra Leone war (I'm half Sierra Leonean), who have more maturity than I do, with my 20+ years. I have seen my male friends been offered sex by teenage girls in Ibiza (for money or even a few beers). I also remember my teenage years, and know very well what teenage girls are capable of. And likewise, I have met 20+ year-olds who still need their parents to hold their hands!
I simply disagree with the opinion that ALL 13 year olds aren’t capable of making any decisions concerning their sexuality. That is simply not a logical assumption. Thus the need for such cases to be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
Also are we to believe that if the male in question was say between 13 to 16 years-old, you would still charge the 13 year-old girl with being mentally immature? - SLuM, on 02/09/2008, -9/+75What's wrong? 13 years old is pretty old and probably past puberty. Seriously let's stop pretending sex is a sin. If it was a 9 year old I'd understand but at thirteen, most teens know the risks of having sex and what it does to their lives.
- inactive, on 02/09/2008, -14/+78Keep your lame morality to yourselves, 13 is an old woman in some parts of the world.
Not a single US citizen has any moral high ground to judge anyone anywhere in the world, you and your neighbors are covered in women and children's blood and your hypocritical world view is simply retched.......... - inactive, on 02/09/2008, -5/+65i can't wait til i'm 34! finally those freshman chicks will go out with me!
- Sp1k3, on 02/09/2008, -11/+63I guess the obligatory 'pics or didn't happen' might be a just tad distasteful? ;)
I'm evil. - LordFuxxles, on 02/09/2008, -1/+53I very much agree with knde I'm afraid. Having grown up in the U.K I see a disturbing obsession with child abuse in the media. It's become such a modern day witch hunt. Now as I stated before, I agree with knde on this, so I believe there is a grey area in the teenage years rather than there being a switch that turns from childish to mature when a teenager hits the age of consent (16 here). The accusations that someone is "sick in the head" if they're attracted to an attractive pyhsically and mentally mature teenager is clearly demonstrative that many people let their laws define their morals, rather than let their morals define their laws. In this case being the arbitrary legal age of consent that varies largely from country to country.
- DesertDude, on 02/09/2008, -3/+52FTA: "The law should safeguard young girls who are too immature to make these decisions against adults without scruples"
Exactly. Anyone under 18 has rocks for brains. The INSTANT they turn 18, their brains magically appear. Thanks to the prosecutor (and the US mentality) for letting us know this fact.
I wonder what would've happened to this guy in the land of morality (the US). Luckily for him, Italian judges don't have the intention to destroy everything in the name of "protecting children". I swear US judges and society have ***** for brains when it comes to these things. - passedoutghost, on 02/09/2008, -12/+60…..........…....…..... . . . . … …... . . . . .____,,,---~`,,
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If a 13-14 year old kills someone, those who would protect us from all evil will pound their fists and demand that the young offender be treated as an adult. Yet if that same 13-14 year old has sex or consumes some manner of intoxicant, the same "protectors" will wail and moan about innocence lost and act as if someone as snatched a swaddled infant from it's cradle.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think kids should be aloud to go around caping fools without some serious consequence and I don't think we should encourage 34 year old men to have sex with 13 year old girls.
But some consistency would be nice.
It seams sometimes as if, after they "grow up", some people completely forget what it was really like to be a teenager. - inactive, on 02/09/2008, -26/+74ROFL "fallen head over heels in love" after a sexual encounter in his car..."
Having lived in Italy this is no big surprise. What they aren't reporting is most Italian men live at home until their late 30's with mom and dad. That's why he had to get it on in a Fiat. Sick as it is to us Americans this crap goes on all the time over there. It's usually overlooked unless parents press the matter, since most parents over there have found memories of when they were doing the same crap they usually don't press the matter at all. Too funny - inactive, on 02/09/2008, -15/+62 (PEDOBEAR)
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(PLATINUM SEAL OF APPROVAL) - chuckles08, on 02/09/2008, -3/+47heck when i was 13 years old i was ready to give it up for my female gym teacher who always wore these real short skirts and sat on the desk often revealing a lot of ass and thigh. i know what she was really up to now, damn i should have hit that.
- inactive, on 02/09/2008, -15/+58The only relevant question is: Was she hot?
Pics....? - K7Avenger, on 02/09/2008, -6/+46I see no problem here.
- iPissExcellence, on 02/09/2008, -6/+42"My appeal to 13-year-olds is to wait for your time." My appeal to 13 year olds... heh
- neocognitism, on 02/09/2008, -5/+41Hasn't everybody seen The Professional?
- blasian, on 02/09/2008, -13/+47So i know its illegal...but i reeeaaaallly love pot..
- calibration, on 02/09/2008, -7/+41God is a pedophile.
- mozert, on 02/09/2008, -2/+34yea man, you've just hit the central issue
- aussieNickuss, on 02/09/2008, -4/+3413 is a bit too old for pedobear isn't it? I thought he was all for 12 or less.
- Stonedonkey, on 02/09/2008, -8/+37When the moon hits you eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore - ReadItAndWeep, on 02/09/2008, -9/+35Throughout all of human history, people began mating once they reached puberty, you ignorant twit. It is natural for teenagers to have sex. If you don't like it, blame God or blame nature, but don't blame humans responding to their natural urges. According to the Bible, God had sex with Mary when she was around 14 years old, thus giving us the baby Jesus. If you are calling God a pedophile, then you are a sick piece of *****. ***** YOU!!!
- knde, on 02/09/2008, -4/+30I'm afraid I don't know what that means...but I'm sure it's a lovely compliment :-)
All in all, I'm sure we can agree to disagree without being ugly about it. - Aitese, on 02/09/2008, -5/+30Chester...rhyming slang for child molester.
Neither funny, clever or necessary Norm. - jasmin888, on 02/09/2008, -12/+36Anything 'sex' has the US scared ***** while you in a blink of an eye you send your young men and women out to kill thousands of innocent civilians. You support torture and free access to guns.
To me it looks like a death cult. - pimpofpixels, on 02/09/2008, -4/+27You could get married at the age of 12 in this country just 150 years ago. You could get married at 15 just 90 years ago. It's not like he had is sentance revoked, just shortened. This is such a taboo subject, but it's such a common practice historically.
- terminal157, on 02/09/2008, -0/+22If that movie came out today that scene would've been censored five ways from sunday, and had it somehow came out there would've been a huge uproar from all the idiots who seem to have confused statutory rape laws with pedophilia. What exactly has changed in the years since it's release that makes that so?
- LanEvo, on 02/09/2008, -3/+24why don't you cal a waaaaaaaaaaambulance
- Rtsight, on 02/09/2008, -2/+23"> WTF is wrong with the judge?"
Wtf are you suggesting? 3/4 high schoolers did it. If there were charges and 12-possible-year sentence against them, college would be a whole lot different. - fxu1989, on 02/09/2008, -2/+21That looks like a retarded monkey not pedobear >:(
- jacenat, on 02/09/2008, -6/+25well said. without knowing any details, all i can say is that there COULD be more to this than just an old guy wanting to ***** some young girl.
- shaelen, on 02/09/2008, -4/+23That's strange, I remember being 13, and I knew how to make a proper decision when it came to sex. Was I the only one, ever?
- frenchyface, on 02/09/2008, -1/+20As a 23 year old who at 15,16, and 17 dated with men who were out of my legal dating range, I have always found the idea of statutory rape disturbing. Although I realize that not all girls would be as "mature" as I was at that age, the idea of one of those men going to jail for something that I also wanted (even 8 years in retrospect) seems ridiculous.
- howea, on 02/09/2008, -7/+25Yes it would ... it would bolster the fantasies of hormonal 13yo boys everywhere.
- inactive, on 02/09/2008, -8/+26You know what they say:
Old enough to read, old enough to breed! - Asianwaste, on 02/09/2008, -7/+24Awwwwww They're in love!
- terminal157, on 02/09/2008, -2/+19IF YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CONSENSUAL STATUTORY RAPE AND BRUTAL, FORCED CHILD RAPE YOU MUST BE A PEDO!!!!!!!!!! WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???
/sarcasm - LordFuxxles, on 02/09/2008, -3/+20Or he used his personal judgement in this case.
- themastersb, on 02/09/2008, -4/+21Italy. Here I come.
- tyfighter, on 02/09/2008, -8/+23I am so hard right now.
- koicho, on 02/09/2008, -3/+18Well may be in America 13 year olds behave like 6 year old in Italy...
- heynoop, on 02/09/2008, -1/+15finally, someone with a logical view on the matter. i don't know at what point in history it became 'sick' to do what this guy did, considering its been done for thousands of ***** years, but whatever. i'm not condoning people go out and have rampant sex with 13 year olds, but you foaming at the mouth psychos ("oh my god what sick *****", etc.) need to seriously take a step back and chill. you do realize the only reason you think it's 'sick' is because you've been conditioned to think that, right? the age of consent in almost every other country is much lower than America's.
- Amadeus2490, on 02/09/2008, -1/+15Natalie Portman's been cute all her life. . .she just kinda changed "cuteness" as she aged.
- shodanx, on 02/09/2008, -10/+24who the f*ck are you to say what 13 years old girls want
my 12 year old cousin is a total emo bitch who totally brutalize her mother
while a 22 year old friend of mine got a 6 jail sentence for dating a 14 year old whom he truly loved, he was an all As student on his way to becoming an engineer and now he has a hard time getting employed at wall-mart
your puritains view's what's ***** up with the western world
people mature at different rates, the gov has no business interfering in our sex lives lest they REALLY ***** things up for good as long as it's consensual it's no ones business but theirs -
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