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- amauldin71, on 04/14/2009, -18/+446That girl being killed because she believed in God story always set off my ***** detector. Glad to know the truth is coming out, though the people who still believe that crap will just deny it.
- samuelburns, on 04/14/2009, -4/+393Chris Rock got it right: Whatever happened to 'crazy'?
- CaptainAO, on 04/14/2009, -8/+376I'm glad this made the point of saying that everyone severely overanalyzed the MO of the killers. A lot of people wanted to use this to promote some type of agenda. What everyone overlooked however, was the fact that these kids suffered from severe mental instability. They were crazy sociopaths who wanted to kill. Sadly, these kinds of people will ALWAYS exist in society, culture and environment have little to do with it.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -10/+290Welcome to the mainstream media agenda creator
Columbine was the fault of _______.
a)Arabs
b)Violent Video Games
c)Chinese spies
d)Socialists - thebeginning, on 04/14/2009, -4/+215Harris' shirt read 'Natural Selection'...? Wow.
Although I'm a little skeptical about this huge flood of new information, this is a much more interesting look at the event than I've ever seen before. - STBAT25, on 04/14/2009, -1/+199I remember the news commentators speculating on the motive and knowing that they were probably all full of *****.
- nigelmansell, on 04/14/2009, -4/+194I have to think twice now when I tip Pizza delivery guys. I don't want to sponsor domestic terrorism
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -3/+193CaptainAO is right, Occam's razor people, it wasnt bulling, it wasnt video games, it wasnt gun enthusiasm, but the fact that those 2 little ***** were already sociopaths right off the bat.
- Supernova36, on 04/14/2009, -3/+176Bowling.
- Sublex, on 04/14/2009, -4/+164Wow, you're kind of an *****.
- pookydirt, on 04/14/2009, -4/+161Yeek... I definitely hadn't heard or read quite a bit of this. Glad the bomb failed.
- SirIanDangerous, on 04/14/2009, -4/+118"A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on." - Mark Twain....
It took us 10 YEARS to get all the right info?! - perkoff, on 04/14/2009, -3/+109No it took 10 years. If you subtract the year it was when it happened 1999 from the year it is now 2009 the answer you come up with is 10.
So yeah, basically it wasn't 13 years ago at all. It was 10. - seanstuart, on 04/14/2009, -0/+101The media got drunk off that story. Anything they could grab to make it more sensational - stuff they heard, stuff they pulled out of their ass - while the nation mourned, the media was in a full blown drug-addled orgasm.
- hawkspur, on 04/14/2009, -3/+102IT WAS TEH VIDEOGAMEZZ!!! MARILYN MANSON11111!!!ONE
- nlogik, on 04/14/2009, -7/+103 "Me is a god, a god of sadness," - Sorry... I know it is serious and all. But this just reminded me of lolcatz
- mphree, on 04/14/2009, -7/+85It might be reaching alittle far to say that Columbine is in Denver. It's in Littleton. Almost 45 minutes from Denver. I know it makes no difference, but that always bugged me. When you say that Columbine is in Denver, it makes it seem like just another piece of city violence. Littleton is actually a very calm city where there isnt much crime. I live about 25 minutes from Columbine.
Also, as a sidenote, that school is no where near as big as all the pictures/videos make it seem. It's actually a pretty small building. - fragomatik, on 04/14/2009, -1/+74I want to Digg you, because I feel that to a very great extent, you speak the truth.
On the other hand I want to Bury you, because "molotov cocktails, car vandalism" shouldn't really be considered "typical teenage mayhem". But that's my little dilemma, nothing to be concerned about, thanks for your time. - pagno, on 04/14/2009, -0/+70You shouldnt be concerned with what they do with the tips, more what might happen if you dont tip.
- headzoo, on 04/14/2009, -1/+67People keep saying they were both sociopaths. I'm curious though: It's it necessary for *both* of them to be sociopaths? Is it possible that someone like Klebold could have been more or less "normal", but completely manipulated by Harris into doing horrible things?
It seems that cults and cons are proof that reasonably intelligent people can be manipulated by others, and even "tricked" into doing stupid and horrible things. Or does it take a special kind of person that can be so easily manipulated? - DirtPile, on 04/14/2009, -7/+73They were exactly like my buddies and me. But we didn't kill a bunch of people. We ***** played Parchisi.
- effoffpunk, on 04/14/2009, -32/+95also, what kind of pussies shoot teenage girls?
- bobokeen, on 04/14/2009, -1/+64As a pizza delivery guy myself, I can assure you that your tip money does not go towards domestic terrorism.
It goes towards weed. - effoffpunk, on 04/14/2009, -7/+65Most great, literate men kept journals and/or diaries.
But I forgive you for being uncomfortable with self expression, most pansies are. - ThreeDogFM, on 04/14/2009, -1/+57What the hell? I thought all of this violence was Marilyn Manson's fault!
- hawkspur, on 04/14/2009, -0/+56RTFA.
If fear of making someone shoot you was the only thing that stopped you from bullying, you're a terrible person. - digitul, on 04/14/2009, -16/+70oh shut up
- cmotdibbler, on 04/14/2009, -13/+65You forgot atheists. Wait, that's the FoxNews agenda creator.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -1/+52Chris Rock's take on Columbine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQilqOveh2s - mrteleprompter, on 04/14/2009, -6/+56I KNEW IT! VIDEO GAMES!
- IamNOTmrT, on 04/14/2009, -0/+48Well written and disturbing. I hope that people realise that many school shootings that have occured after Columbine were influenced by the reported MO of the killers. They may have managed to make these guys matyrs to some of the lonely, alienated kids who followed in their footsteps.
- Rivetgeek, on 04/14/2009, -1/+49Spin the wheel O blame!
Big money big money
no whammy - MacParrot, on 04/14/2009, -3/+50Most major television news stations reported the same things.
- bigtuna47, on 04/14/2009, -2/+48f) Marilyn Manson and all other heavy metal music that the right wing media hates.
- Averness, on 04/14/2009, -47/+93Is some sort of sexist comment? Are teenage girls not as worthy of shooting as teenage boys? Or are you saying that they should be protected like property? Or that there's no sport in shooting teenage girls because they can't defend themselves like boys can (still sexist BTW), or that's is less dangerous to shoot at teenage girls so only pussies would do it? WTF are you trying to say? Do you hate all women, or just teenage girls?
- wonko33, on 04/14/2009, -0/+42When something like that happens, the media goes into a frenzy. They go non stop 24h reporting on the event when they barely have enough information to cover it for 30 minutes.
So they go all out with the rumors, half-ass facts and every bit of sensationalist info they can get their hands on. Remember it's more important to be first than to be right.
It always takes a long time to get actual information, if ever. - Helgers, on 04/14/2009, -7/+46This seems much the same as what happened with Matthew Shepard, the first accounts all said he was killed because he was gay, but anyone who has ever so much as visited the town knows it was because of drugs. These are still tragedies, but the media feels like they need to spin them to make them more horrific than they already are.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -1/+39I actually spent a bit of time reading through the Dylan and Eric's files, letters, notes, webpages and rants.
The real answer is so simple:
- Both of them were heavily depressed.
- They were depressed because they weren't accepted by people who they perceived as important.
- They both hated who they were as people.
- They both had critically low self-esteem
- The most critical aspect was that they both believed that there was NOTHING that they could do to change their present situation. They thought they were bounded by who they were in those years, and nothing would ever change.
- They though their current circumstance would continue for ever, and even get worse. (no light at the end of the tunnel)
- They were angry because they thought it was unfair and unjust to be who they were, and how the world had treated them wrong.
- Dylan thought he was inferior to his older brother who was an accomplished athlete. He was bullied by him in a 'brotherly' way, but this did have a severe impact on Dylan (although his brother probably thought it was nothing).
- Their rants about violence, being superior, hating different things etc etc, are all the final levels of psychological defense barriers in the human mind. (cho seung also had this tendency, as did the Finnish killer). All this rage was built up through their depression and beliefs about how the world had wronged them, and how unfair they've been treated.
- These killings had nothing to do with Marilyn Manson, violent video games, adolf hitler etc etc.
- These killings had everything to do with depression, thinking that things would never (and couldn't) 'change', anger and rage (built up through their perception that the world had 'wronged' them and it was unfair to be who they were) spoiled over into a high-school massacre. - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -2/+40I actually had the father of one of the girls killed that day talk at my school all the way over in Australia. Has anyone else had that? It was one of the more interesting talks I ever bothered to pay attention to through the main schooling years..
- haiduz, on 04/14/2009, -0/+37From Ebert's review of the movie elephant:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic ...
Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.
The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."
In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy. - realeiger, on 04/14/2009, -1/+37Google around. There is some good journalistic work done on it. Apparently there are several surviving witnesses of her death and all deny the story. I'm no fan of fundies, but it's sad for ber family b/c it clearly operated to give some meaning to her death for them.
- BattleChimp, on 04/14/2009, -1/+37He probably thought he was being creative and poetic, but he was in fact lolcatz
- ajaxmil, on 04/14/2009, -1/+37As much as I hate Michael Moore, I really did appreciate the interview with Marilyn Manson in "Bowling for Columbine". Manson talks of how we are a culture of fear (he should talk, right?), and how after the attack everyone speculated on how we should be afraid of rock, afraid of video games, so that we will become better consumers and buy more crap to make us feel safe.
- RunawayElf, on 04/14/2009, -2/+37Benham's Book of Quotations credits the line to Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834-1892), a celebrated English fundamentalist Baptist preacher and the author of "John Ploughman's Talk; or, Plain Advice for Plain People." His exact words were: "A lie travels round the world, while Truth is putting on her boots."
Many politicians have misattributed this quote to Mark Twain. Please do not perpetuate the error. - Rivetgeek, on 04/14/2009, -6/+39Good luck, fox wont even admit they were wrong to cancel firefly
- mphree, on 04/14/2009, -2/+35Try again. 'Arab' is not a location.
- jezsik, on 04/14/2009, -2/+34Who was there to witness it and report back?
- DamnMan, on 04/14/2009, -0/+32"never let a tragedy go to waste..."
- nageroc, on 04/14/2009, -0/+32The article describes Harris as a "cold-blooded, predatory psychopath" and Klebold as "anxious and lovelorn". I tend to agree with you that Klebold was manipulated by Harris.
I would not be so quick to say that Klebold was easily manipulated; it probably took months (years?) for Harris to cultivate. Sociopaths are dangerous because they don't just "trick" their prey. Rather, they carefully lead them using the prey's own instinct and nature. - dn90, on 04/14/2009, -2/+33I shoot on teenage girls.
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