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- Brian47126, on 06/24/2009, -1/+26I don't know what to think about this. I love both ID and Bethesda's games; however, bigger usually seems to dull the company edge as products are watered down for a corporate vision of mass market appeal. I hope this does not happen here.
- loneraver, on 06/25/2009, -0/+24Better with them than EA or Activision
- TonicTuna, on 06/25/2009, -0/+21Carmack needed a new Ferrari
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 06/25/2009, -0/+9Was id in financial difficulty or something?
- agent42, on 06/25/2009, -0/+9Carmack never needed the money ... this makes me think that he was too insecure about the future profitability of id software, and wanted to insure himself against any loss.
- improvono, on 06/25/2009, -0/+8maybe this will lead to a redesign of id's site for the first time in like.... ever.
- chongli, on 06/25/2009, -0/+8I think it's a brilliant move. The biggest issue holding back the Elder Scrolls and Fallout series is the technology! Bethesda has licensed the GameBryo engine for these games and it is really starting to show its age. The engine is plagued by crashes, stuttering and a broken asset management system.
This becomes patently obvious if you spend a lot of time modding in the construction set. The whole concept of dividing the world up into "cells" and loading these cells when your character runs around is not a good one. This system leads to periods where the hard drive is idle, followed by annoying skips, stutters and pauses as the next set of cells is loaded.
id's Tech 5 engine, on the other hand, uses MegaTexturing to stream data from the hard drive, smoothing out the framerate tremendously and allowing the world to scale much better. This, plus id's amazing content creation tools will make Bethesda's job much easier and allow them to focus on what they do best: creating massive worlds filled with interesting places, characters, items and creatures.
This, and it should make the modding community much happier with much better tools. - Repeater2000, on 06/25/2009, -2/+10Bethesda are genius, all their tech is licensed(it shows)so 90% of their efforts go right into game design.
In MY perfect world Carmack and crew just work on the tech, while Todd Howard and co. crank out the open world goodness. - megaton, on 06/25/2009, -1/+8It'd be nice if they spent more than 10% ensuring the games actually worked right.
- copypastry, on 06/25/2009, -0/+7Welcome to Quake 3 Arena
- Repeater2000, on 06/25/2009, -1/+8My guess is the new Wolf is a stinker, and with the ***** economy it would be better to sell out before that game hits.
- ouRONIN, on 06/25/2009, -0/+5How is this going to effect Quakecon?
- inactive, on 06/25/2009, -1/+6Strange deal really, need to wait for more details to really know what will happen...
- starbuck2907, on 06/25/2009, -0/+5I wouldn't be surprised if id had a "back out of the agreement" clause like Bungie did with Microsoft.
id has hired other companies to develop some of their newer games. The new Wolfenstein, Quake 4, etc, --id had Ravensoft work on those games. (I think they did the Xbox 360 port of Quake 4, if not the actual development). id's been working on new game engines, cell phone games, and Doom 4. They've farmed out everything else cause they haven't got the manpower to develop everything themselves.
With the merger, Bethesda will get some access to id's top-notch technology, and id will have access to more cash and resources to develop more projects into actual games. Even if they keep farming out some of their established ip's for development at other software houses, the pooled resources will should give us more games from id, and hopefully bethesda as well. I'd love to see a Bethesda RPG running an an id engine.
More than anything else, it looks like id's been setting themselves up as a serious competitor to the unreal engine when the next round of gaming consoles come out. Isn't their new engine supposed to run on *everything*? pc, mac, xbox, etc..
Anyways, I'm sure Carmack wouldn't have given up too much control. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would give up control over his own company...so I suspect this has a "back out" deal like the Bungie/Microsoft deal did.
Either way, if he's comfortable with the deal, I'm pretty sure it's a good deal for id. - Azuvector, on 06/25/2009, -0/+4Well, Id didn't have much hand in Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, other than some balance tweaks and of course the engine. Other than that though frankly, I wish more companies did the Aliens vs Humans thing, and got off the goddamn WWII game bandwagon.
- iLemon, on 06/25/2009, -0/+4Wouldn't it be easier to just license the engine from id?
Just seems like a sound investment by ZeniMax. They get to distribute and profit from the next couple id games. Then when Carmack and Sweeney retire, they own all of id's intellectual property. - ptFoe, on 06/25/2009, -1/+4Hopefully they ill release another WW2 updated version of Enemy Territory, didn't like the Alienvs Vs Humans future version
- Nosyn, on 06/25/2009, -1/+4Seems to work ok for Blizzard Entertainment. Ya id has been on it's own, and I guess the economic times hurt them in the long run, unfortunately.
- Sherman901, on 06/25/2009, -1/+4@Barter00
Not necessarily. Recently EA has been getting their ***** together and put out pretty fun games and, really, isn't that what it's all about? Fun? - CoD4, on 06/25/2009, -0/+3^^^ ah yes, because the gta4 and street fighter4 for pc had less issues than the console versions
- Jdshald, on 06/25/2009, -1/+4that is like Nintendo acquiring valve. Doesn't make sense.
Hope it works out. - skjalff, on 06/25/2009, -0/+3Noooooo!!!
- rmxz, on 06/25/2009, -0/+3Or perhaps he wanted to spend more time on his other company (Armadillo Aerospace).
- dronkmunk, on 06/25/2009, -0/+2boo-urns
- gthyb, on 06/25/2009, -0/+2Someone remembers the '90s.
- darkera, on 06/25/2009, -1/+3THIS IS SPARTA!
- poracious, on 06/25/2009, -0/+2It's gonna become The Elder Scrollcons. And, true to Bethesda's vision, it'll encompass THE ENTIRE WORLD. A completely open, free-ranging map (nicknamed "Earth") which'll take you days to walk across and a hyper-realistic combat system.
They're still working on the respawning bit, though. - RevolverSnakeMG, on 06/25/2009, -0/+2Doom 4 with V.A.T.S. ?
- JTTM, on 06/25/2009, -1/+2Whoa dude, your getting a Dell!
- inactive, on 09/18/2009, -0/+1Why? http://www.hearthstonehomes.com/
- alexanEmpire, on 06/25/2009, -1/+2Great. Maybe they'll put out something with innovative game play this time.
- EricAnderton, on 06/26/2009, -0/+1Exactly. Fallout 4 + ID Tech 5 = Award Winning Game. I really see this as a company with a good set of franchises being merged with a tech R&D powerhouse. It makes complete sense.
- Narishma, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1There's also the fact they had a bad experience with Activision's handling of some of their games. For example Enemy Territory Quake Wars was released with zero marketing at the same time as COD4 and the developers (Splash Damage) have had to dig in their own pockets to fund the post-release updates.
- HentaiJeff, on 06/25/2009, -1/+2madness?
- Tiak, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1John Carmack just got an assload more money to spend building spaceships.
Maybe Armadillo will even get a decent website. - sexybobo, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1Instagib is fun.
- ichbinladen, on 06/25/2009, -1/+1who cares? id doesn't even make good games anymore.
- ptFoe, on 06/25/2009, -1/+1modern warfare is boring, as in reality one hit should result in a kill
- railz68, on 06/25/2009, -2/+2give me the Carmark ! give me the Carmack now !
- ABreeman, on 07/07/2009, -0/+0Considering games made by development teams that aren't super lazy when it comes to bug checking (Rockstar) run fine on the PS3 I think it's Bethesda that is the problem.
- WhistlinTom, on 06/25/2009, -1/+1Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. BOOOOOO!
- i90m00, on 06/25/2009, -0/+0I think this is less of a move to sell out the company and more of a move to "aquire" a company that has been successful, yet is ready to grow. Possibly by then owning the rights to a certain profit share, the parent company can then employ expanded resources to the child company (id). And then hopefully 1) the parent company takes on the name of the child (good for brand quality) or 2) id software fulfills whatever contract terms were reached and then again becomes independent. Who knows ;)
- KloroFormd, on 06/25/2009, -2/+2I look forward to Doom 4 being a crashy piece of ***** like every other game ZeniMax's companies release.
- jcsoc, on 06/25/2009, -2/+1Doom 4 + Fallout 3=madness!
- inactive, on 06/25/2009, -2/+1... and the last bastion of true gaming has been breached.
I hereby revoke my Gamer Card. - Barter00, on 06/25/2009, -3/+1For EA on the other hand... Sure they make money, but most of their games are bs.
- ShloppyJoe, on 06/25/2009, -3/+1Duke Nukem Forever?
- JeffeyT, on 06/25/2009, -2/+0I love Bethesda ans ZeniMax, especially with what they did to the Fallout series, but I really don't care for ID, those games are just so annoying.
- Mankind121, on 06/25/2009, -6/+3Whoa dude, this is a bit shocking
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