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- chestertonb, on 10/11/2007, -3/+208Thanks for that...
I wanted to see that video so I typed "12 year old boy fights" into Google and now i think i'm going to prison. - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -9/+133This is why I support guilds who have age requirements. Having children in your voice chats (and by this I mean anyone under the age of 18-20) severely dumbs down the conversations that you can have; more than that, kids' social development tends to be so low that they insult or annoy people without even knowing it - and when adults point it out to them, they get pissed.
- Anrkist, on 10/11/2007, -3/+93My favorite is still watching the video of the 12 year old on Xbox live playing in a clan match & fighting with his mom at the same time about taking out the trash. There really needs to be adult/child seperated areas.
- ryodoan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+75I think it really depends on the person. There are some amazingly immature 25 year olds, and some pretty cool 16 year olds. It is just a matter of getting to know the person before you invite them to the voice chat, or, knowing how to use the mute option.
- Gudlyf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+73"Kills the mood"
Yeah I could see how it would kill the mood when you find out the female character that's been hitting on you in-game is a dude. - kaffein, on 10/11/2007, -3/+62http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Sr3aCd6mE
- anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -0/+55I play occasionally in a very, very casual guild. No high-level players, no player-versus-player twitch-fests, just some busy guys blowing off steam when wives or girlfriends aren't around.
The other day I logged onto our Teamspeak server to learn that one of the nicest players in the guild, one of the guys I really enjoyed sorta-kinda spending time with in the game, is a nine-year-old boy. The son of one of our other members.
It absolutely blew my mind to hear this nine-year-old kid giving out strategy tips and suggestions like he was forty.
Kinda cool, actually. I wasn't nearly that mature when I was nine. I was a damn brat.
(One of our other members, by way of contrast, is in his mid-30s, and he's a total jerk. He monopolizes the voice channel with stories about how he "owned" some lower-level player in an arena or something, everything he doesn't like is "gay," he's just a tool. The contrast between these two guys is amazing.) - Bob042, on 10/11/2007, -2/+56"And even I have to admit, voice chat will eventually allow for some awesome tricks. Imagine logging into World of Warcraft, realizing one of your friends isn't there -- and being able to call them on their real-world mobile phone."
Please, no. - Mitthrawnuruodo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+41And yet, judging by your use of the phrase "bang chicks," I would be willing to wager that either
(A) the quality of said women is in all probability not as high as could be desired, or
(B) due to the anonymity of the Internet, you are attempting to deceive us into believing that you are somehow cool by relating falsehoods about your supposed sexual escapades, but unfortunately for you, it is only yourself whom you are deceiving.
Either way, there is a distinct mark on your potential quality of life compared to those who are content wearing their headsets and interacting with people they meet in a friendly and platonic manner.
Have a nice day. =) - NSMike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40Akaji hits it on the head. Voice chat is a great way to communicate provided you follow certain guidelines.
When I first started in Guild Wars, we had maybe 30 people in our guild and seven or so who decided to use Ventrilo, all of us officers. To make life easier, me and the other officers began encouraging the other guild members to use Ventrilo, simply because the in-game and social advantages were so tremendous. That was a mistake. We found out three guild members were under 12 years old, and subsequently didn't have the social skills or understanding to adapt to the group of 20-somethings they were suddenly faced with, and worse yet, they didn't realize their own inadequacies. Eventually we ended up moving to password protected rooms on the vent server just to avoid them. Shortly afterward, we created an entirely new guild and only notified the members who were older, and quickly implemented age restrictions.
This all sounds incredibly cruel, and maybe there is an aspect of cruelty to it, but there's a decision to make in this situation: either live with fellow players that you can't stand to listen to and end up making the whole thing a rotten experience, or move to leave those players behind and enjoy your time online.
And sometimes, it doesn't even rely on age. There was another guy in the guild who was of age, and someone pointed out that he was Mexican and Jewish. Another guild member asked him if he was really a Mexican Jew, and the guy flipped out, claiming racism. - shampoovta, on 10/11/2007, -2/+39 I can see it now.
"Hello? Yes he is home,... this is his wife,....no he can't come out to play right now! WTF???"
- FearMEiDEA, on 10/11/2007, -0/+35He's gone? This is his wife?
Um how are you at healing? - Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32I'm guessing you're 12 too. Haha.
- skillfull, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28Yeah, they should really separate children and adults
- morsu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22I would like the ability to mask your voice, so if you play an Orc, you can sound like an Orc to other players. I think that would be fun and would more comfortable to some players (like myself)
- ivachen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21My wow guild once had recuited a pre teen. We didn't had any age requirement but we were trying to invite people we think that are skillful player. A day later I was getting messages from this guy who insist to join, it turns out that he's the kid's father and want to watch out for him in the guild. Not feeling like I have to be careful of what I speak in the guild, I boot the kid from the guild right away and told the dad that the guild is not safe for his son.
- sprkoolguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Great article and anyone who has ever played these games can relate to what this guy is saying. Sometimes voice chat is appropriate but many times I prefer to stick to text... Using voice chat can force you to get more involved in a game than you really want to at the time you are playing it.
- anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19Oh, it's much worse when it's the other way around. When you find out the sultry little elf you assumed was a fat guy in his basement is actually a funny and flirty woman, that's when it goes from "Oh, I'm playing a game, this is fun" to "My wife is going to kill me."
- rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22I used to recruit for the guild that my fiance and I ran (we got out of WoW a while ago though a lot of people stayed addicted to the game), and I always insisted on an 18 or older rule.
I do like voice chat though. Especially in chaotic fighting, vent / TS really help. - AndySomnifac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18OK, I give. What does being gay and eating chips have to do with each other? Do only gay people eat chips? Or did you feel the need to throw the gay into that for absolutely no reason.
Wouldn't "One of our members and his friend in the guild were chatting and eating chips. I could hear it the whole time. Very annoying, and yes, it did kill the mood" have conveyed the same point? - metamorfoza, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I agree, I avoid using voice chat in any game because it just kills the mood when you hear some kid getting way too serious about his character or him losing... it also makes me feel old and dumb....and i am just 29.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17@SilasTomorrow
That must have been while my guild was raiding his sister - actorboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Hey, you, with the 57 year old wife......did you just use the word 'noobs'?
- treas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15i feel this is appropriate to link here
http://break.com/index/mom-tells-kid-no-more-warcraft.html - inkyblue2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15are there any voice changer apps/plugins that work with ventrilo or some other audio chat server? seems like something as simple as each player turning on the "orcify" or "gnomify" filter might restore some of the in-game experience.
...okay, found these:
http://www.audio4fun.com/voice-game/ventrilo.htm
http://www.screamingbee.com/product/MorphVOX.aspx
anyone tried them? - apocalyps333, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I don't mind using voice chat for raids, but for pick-up groups I'm not interested. I'm not looking for friends on WoW. If I wanted to chat with people I'd go outside and hang out with my real friends.
- Godlike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Woot +1 for calling out the homophobe
- b3mus3d, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11I think that there are probably an awful lot of horrid kids on XBox live and other online games, but it's a bit unfair to seperate everyone out.
As a mature (in my opinion :P) 15 year old, I would hate to be stuck with a load of trash talking little brats.
Doesn't XB Live have a system where you rate people you play against (as in niceness)? Couldn't you do matchmaking based on that? I haven't played on XB Live so I don't know, but it seems like a good idea... - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@inhaler
Video games may have originally been intended for children, but the real world is for adults - when you bring adult conversations into a social game (such as an MMO), it's no longer a child's game. It's not about being good at the game, it's about being good as a part of the team, and being able to function as a social member of the group. Kids are not developed enough in the social sense to be able to do that. - roaroar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12I'm a girl and I play WoW, but I hate vent. I use it when I have to, but I never talk.
- inhaler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@Akaji
Keep in mind what you said: It's where we as adults bring adult conversations into the video game. We are ultimately responsible for reconfiguring it from a child's game into more adult content. That has nothing to do with social development. Teamwork and group function isn't alien to children - they spend many years of their childhood learning co-operation (We can all recall back to the games of kickball and other sports on the playground, for instance). - TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Is it REALLY that difficult to tell someone's age through typing? I am/was heavily involved with an MMORPG called Dofus, and made the rule for my guild that if ne1 tlks lik thiz, we're not interested in them. Suddenly, the guild became a group of like-minded, intelligent 20-somethings. And hey, if someone came along who actually did respect the English language and could keep up with the adult conversation, so much the better. It's really not that difficult to read what a person is saying and judge what perspective it comes from.
- dikaiosyne, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14FIFTY DKP MINUS!! MORE DOTS!!!
kinda like that? - Dracker, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Isn't WoW rated teen anyway?
Who's paying for the subscriptions? If the bugger hasn't tricked his parents into yeilding their credit card, who's buying the game cards every month or two?
The abundance of young losers on WoW can be attributed to poor parenting. The MMO scene should have its losers to be at least teenagers imo! - 1of42, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10To add on, since Digg cut off my comment:
I'm 17 years old, and have gamed with a variety of clans in competitive milieu requiring voice communications for about 4 years now. I've met the spectrum of people, from the annoying pre-pubescent kiddies who probably shouldn't even be playing the games, to the 45 year old guys who play after their kids go to bed.
The issue with making generalizations about age is that they're so often not valid. While many younger people are admittedly very annoying and immature, I've also met some 30-something people who are so petty and stubborn it blows my mind.
I respect those who want to make age restrictions on their clan; in fact, the clan I was in considered enforcing one for newer members. I would suggest, though, that the most enlightened policy of that type is one in which exceptions can be made for people under the target age who demonstrate the required maturity and attitude that led to the age restriction - which is many people, in my opinion. - alpine75, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I remember sometime last year I was playing Battlefield 2 and the squad leader began shouting out orders and I couldn't help laughing because it was the voice of a little boy. I typically have a difficult time voice chatting online with people under 20. The immaturity level is an issue for me.
- paidhima, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I've played EQ for about 6 1/2 years, and the people in my guild have, generally, been playing together at least that long. After that amount of time, you develop a real connection to other people. It's not uncommon for guild members to share cell numbers so they can be contacted should an important raid (or quest, etc) start and they're not online. I've had at least a dozen different cell numbers of players - male and female, 17-40's. It's the grammar school phone tree of the new generation.
That being said, I'm not a big Vent/TS fan, though I know lots who are. I prefer the relaxed atmosphere of text chat. Even as a raid leader, I've never felt that I could better convey my orders through voice. In fact, it's the opposite - with text chat you bypass communication issues like a hard-to-understand accent, poor microphone/speakers/headphones, or someone "spacing out" for a second and missing an instruction. - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8as a non-WoW playing man in his 30s, I found Leroy Jenkins funny because it pisses off so many hardcore WoW players.
- NSMike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@dragonexe -
Nothing is 100%, but age requirements do go a long way. The best way to be truly fair to everyone is basically to conduct interviews, but who has the time or the patience to do that (and what player honestly wants to be interviewed just for the privilege of playing the game)? Age requirements are simply the easiest way to weed out the majority of the problems caused when using voice chats. And it's much easier to dismiss an older person for their behavior than it is a child, because you know it's usually not the child's fault, they simply don't know any better. Someone who should know better, that is, an older player, has no excuse. - dragonexe, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11@Akaji
[[This is why I support guilds who have age requirements. Having children in your voice chats (and by this I mean anyone under the age of 18-20) severely dumbs down the conversations that you can have; more than that, kids' social development tends to be so low that they insult or annoy people without even knowing it - and when adults point it out to them, they get pissed]]
I think age requirements are pointless, as often older people can still be obnoxious and immature and there are still very many very mature young players. I much prefer our guilds attitude as voiced by the GM... "If you're not over 23/28 (can't remember which or why they were so arbitrary)... act like it".
That's not to say we took the game seriously, but we had our fun in a way that wasn't obnoxious and simian. - SenatorLampoon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11What a bunch of noobs. Playing WoW on Vent or TS is great, no matter what the age level of the players.
The game is a hoot, with 10 chat channels, all the charcter emotes, and voice going like crazy plus mobs running at you in anywhere from a 5 to 40 man raid, who needs drugs anymore?
My whole extended family plays, ages from 57 (my wife) on down, and we play with our family scattered all over the world, sometimes, on rare occations, with a couple of the guys in the Army in Iraq, on Team Speak or Vent.
I've held LAN parties for our Guild. Where we get a FTF crowd, fix burgers, and fight bad guys.
Text is fun, and so is voice. This guy can't be serious. What a great experience suddenly discovering you're having a hoot playing a game with an 11 year old. Why would anyone, especially an old fart like me, be dissapointed to learn you can still be a kid between your ears. - nwoantibody, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Lightning bolt!
Lightning bolt!
Lightning bolt! - norman619, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7You know what kills the mood more? Grinding.
- SilasTomorrow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9I play Wow, AND I banged your mom.
- sonstone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I totally agree. When I used to play WoW and got to the point where I needed to be on Vent in order to do raids, my enjoyment level of the game severely plummeted.
- Anrkist, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Sorry Chester... here's the link on youtube =] http://youtube.com/watch?v=xUVI0KvycwQ
The kids needs to be beaten. - badjoke, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@ronjohn
The article and the comments in here show you just how we know you're under 16 years old. - Kobskid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I agree but only when its a kid on vent, which as stated by akaji, is rare in guilds that have age limits. When the core of my guild gets on I have some of the best times chatting on ventrilo. Voice chat has changed the way online games are played, some fore better, some for worse. For me the better far outweighs the worse.
- wounded625, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@Akaji
"It's not about being good at the game, it's about being good as a part of the team, and being able to function as a social member of the group. Kids are not developed enough in the social sense to be able to do that."
That may be true for the most part, but I'm 16 and I hate playing with anyone under 18/20.
This is especially true in Halo or GoW. When I was playing Halo 3 Beta, a few times I played with 12 year olds who wouldn't shut the hell up. Each time they got a kill, they bragged about it.
That why I like playing with older players. There more mature and they cooperate with each other better. - anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Your point is valid. It's less about how old you are than what kind of person you are to be around. The group I play with has a strict "no asshats" policy that I think serves us well.
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