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Ubisoft DRM Problem Reminds us What's Wrong with PC Gaming

arstechnica.com — A new patch broke some legally downloaded versions of Rainbow Six Vegas 2, and Ubisoft made a quick and slightly embarrassing decision: officially use an illegal crack as a work-around. The situation is a troubling reminder of what's wrong with PC gaming.

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  • rajputwarrior, on 07/21/2008, -12/+66the problem with the gaming industry its run by old men who can only think of their wallets. People make the claim that pc gaming is dieing... well its true. It because of companies like this, not because of piracy...
    • netneutrality, on 07/21/2008, -9/+22If there was no money in it they wouldn't make the games in the first place.
      • jrbrewin, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11it's a sad day for digg when perfect logic, and truths are dugg down.
      • SpyDerMann, on 07/21/2008, -2/+12The problem is that DRM only promotes piracy. I'd rather buy an expensive DRM-less DVD that I can back up at any time than a copy-protected DVD.
    • engmar, on 07/21/2008, -4/+19If PC gaming does die it will be because those "old men" wanted it to. They would much rather lock you in to a platform where they can control the hardware, software, and licensing completely.
      • DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -5/+4Because there is no piracy on consoles?

        Feel free to browse the 30+ pages of "fake" downloads for each console on pirate bay.
      • Radan, on 07/21/2008, -2/+6Piracy on the consoles are not even marginally as widespread as for the PC.

        Although I hate being the moral nanny, it's simply not true that piracy isn't hurting PC gaming. How couldn't it? The more people who downloads the games, the less people there are to pay for it. Though, still people scream and complain if there's advertisements in the game, even though they didn't pay anything to play the game.

        It seems lately as it's not accepted anymore to earn any money on making games. Though, still we complain loudly when they don't release a patch every month after the game's release.
      • dsmx, on 07/21/2008, -2/+2Piracy effect on PC game sales in negligible, I know that it is hard to believe but think about it. Most people pirate because they are not willing or able buy the legitimate product. How on earth can it be a lost sale if the person is not willing to buy it?
    • Drahkar, on 07/21/2008, -5/+18PC Gaming is not and never will be dying. The people who say that are the same kind of people who report for the Enquirer, The Globe or Fox News. People who write sensationalist headline tripe in the effort to make people watch and or read what they are reporting on regardless of if it is true or might hurt someone. PC Gaming like any platform has its up and downs where interest waxes and wanes in flux with any interesting games on the market. This is normal for any market. All other platforms have similar slumps, the only difference is you have breaks in their time-line with the release of a new 'Model' where as with PCs, you don't get notices like that. You just have PCs. so it sounds more pronounced when it really isn't. Its an illusion.

      That's not to say bad business practices and some really bad ideas having caused great deals of harm to the PC industry. It certainly has. And there was a period of time there that throwing a game out that copied another game just to try and make some bucks off their trail through the market nearly caused a stagnation of game innovation. That was a while ago. And there is a considerable amount of new and interesting games that have come out and are coming out. From Oblivion, Crysis and the Civ games to The Sims 2, Spore and Fallout 3; I believe there is a lot going for the game industry. That's not to say there won't be ups and downs in the future. But I do feel this is definitely one of the ups.
      • jrbrewin, on 07/21/2008, -6/+1draw a graph. one that plots pc sales vs game sales over time. and then tell me pc gaming isn't dying.
      • bodger, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3Maybe not dying, but I do believe it's slowing down. A lot of people seem to be forsaking desktops for laptops these days (often a Mac) and then buying a console for their gaming needs.
      • HoratioHellpop, on 07/21/2008, -1/+0PC Gaming will die in the Year of the Linux Desktop.

        So don't hold your breath.
    • themastersb, on 07/21/2008, -1/+2I don't see PC gaming going in the gutter anytime soon. Most people buy and upgrade computers just in order to play games so such companies that manufacture computer parts sponsor these games.
    • Shakermaker, on 07/21/2008, -2/+3They only think of their wallets? They aren't designing games like RS:V2 in their spare time to impress their friends, moron. They are doing it to make money.

      I get that they want to protect their investment to make money - it's a business.
  • Rapter09, on 07/21/2008, -7/+1Woops!
  • BalooUrsidae, on 07/21/2008, -5/+52Anybody else find it ironic that stolen code was used to fix copy protection software of all things?
    • netneutrality, on 07/21/2008, -10/+2It is ironic actually because I usually use it to get my gas cooker working.
      • netneutrality, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1Ha ha I got dugg way down. At least I laugh at my jokes. I still haven't stopped laughing.
    • breakspirit, on 07/21/2008, -17/+2it's not ironic, but it is a coincidence.
      • jamesdew, on 07/21/2008, -2/+10No it is ironic, how is it a coincidence?

        Irony can be defined as a series of events that seem to mock the expected outcome. In this case it is ironic that that a legitimate company used a hacked exe to resolve their issue with DRM.
      • DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Sometimes I get the feeling the people who obsess over correcting misuse of the word irony don't actually know the definition of the word irony. Now that would be a "coincidence."
      • MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/21/2008, -3/+3Yes we all know old men have a different (and albeit confusing) definition for irony.

        Most people don't use that definition anymore. There's a newer and more useful definition for the word.

        So update your dictionary Poindexter.
    • Tek12, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3Congratulations. You got the gist of the article.
  • vpshockwave, on 07/21/2008, -1/+7I thought it had something to do with direct download versions still asking for a CD or something.
  • Xspire, on 07/21/2008, -17/+6There is one way for game developers to curb piracy.
    Develop for consoles rather than PC.
    • TheCheeks, on 07/21/2008, -3/+13...kind of? People still pirate consoles.
    • twiztidsinz, on 07/21/2008, -3/+15Yes! Good idea!
      Because people will NEVER be able to create modchips!
    • DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Are you people who like to imagine this private world where piracy doesn't exist on consoles paid by the console industry or something. It is rather surprising to see so many of these posts.
    • latova, on 07/21/2008, -1/+8Hahaha. Funny.

      Just thinking about using a controller in an shooter game makes me laugh.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/21/2008, -2/+3SOLUTION:
      All that PC developers need to do is make their games require online logins.

      AND - Essentially leave part of the programming out of the executable and off the users computer.
      Game starts up and doesn't know how to run until user logs in and retrieves a script or something.

      So game crackers can't make simple hex edits or virtual disks to bypass protection.


      Your game runs without DRM code, without monitoring software, and without any need for a CD.
      • neuber, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4 I can't imagine any way to bypass that system /sarcasm
    • h4ppydotcom, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6How about this for a two part solution...?

      1) Games companies give you, their players, their TRUST and games without any form of DRM. The same goes for music, DVDs, and everything else in the digital era.

      2) You, the players (and listeners and watchers), act HONESTLY and repay the publishers' trust by paying for the games. Download a copy and try it out if you like - no problem. But if you like it, start playing it for several hours a day or otherwise just get into it then it's in your interest to support the developers (so they can pay their bills, recoup their costs and perhaps make a sequel). So pay them a fair price.
    • prophetpimp, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3PSP. DS, Wii, Xbox360 have all been hacked to play pirated games moron.
      The only one still left standing is the PS3 but its only a matter of time.
      • timsline, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1What? You mean no one has found a way to play a pirated copy of Haze on the PS3 yet? Bummer.
    • seraph582, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2PLEASE! I have a hacked DS, Wii, and XBox360 with binders full of burned games for them. That's HARDLY how to deal with it. You must be retarded!
      • Gamoc, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1Says the guy who just announced he pirates games - AND burns DS CDs. Interesting.
  • BenKenobi88, on 07/21/2008, -2/+50I just buy games on Steam. I know you can work around it, but there's so many benefits to Steam compared to buying at a brick and mortar, the biggest for me being an easy-to-use, generally reliable system compared to the crappy DRM in most new retail games.
    • CVL4317, on 07/21/2008, -3/+26Steam, where the players don't need to understand DRM to play
      • kamahl928, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9I don't understand half the taxes I pay...
      • HoratioHellpop, on 07/21/2008, -0/+0Ah, the anti-Steam idiots spout off again.
    • MarkBroadhurst, on 07/21/2008, -8/+1Steam is great and there are too many good things to list but there are downsides to it. The main one for me is that the games tend to be more expensive than buying a box. eg
      COD4 70 USD on Steam but 50 USD at Gamestop.
      • Nezacant, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7I've seen opposite. Games go down in price quicker on steam. COD4 is not 70 dollars on steam and I've never seen it for more that 50 dollars (unless it came in a pack with other games).
    • NTolerance, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6I buy Valve games on Steam. The problem with non-Valve games on Steam is that the original DRM is usually left intact on top of the Steam DRM. The Steam version of Bioshock still had Securom.
  • hazeprophet, on 07/21/2008, -1/+45I remember years ago my, less than computer savvy friend, friend purchased Madden for his computer because he lacked a console. He got it installed perfectly fine, but then called me saying it was telling him that he didn't have the CD in the drive. Long story short was that he had an older model CD-ROM drive that the protection didn't work with. How'd I fix it? I went and downloaded the crack... Problem fixed. The issue I had with this is that if I had wanted to pirate it, I would have had a far easier time getting the game to work than my friend who actually purchased the game.
  • ghostlywind, on 07/21/2008, -2/+74When will game companies learn that DRM just keeps out the legal users, not the pirates.
    • Stavrosian, on 07/21/2008, -1/+35Liar! DRM obviously works brilliantly. That's why, if you scan all the torrent sites, you won't be able to find any of the latest game, music or film releases available for download.

      Oh, hang on a minute...
    • Xfer00, on 07/21/2008, -15/+7At the same time when people realize that banning firearms only keeps them from the law-abiding citizens while the criminals attain theirs illegally anyways.

      So, never.
      • Stavrosian, on 07/21/2008, -5/+11That is not even close to being logically equivalent.
      • JigoroKano, on 07/21/2008, -1/+9Yeah, just the other day I made a bit for bit copy of my neighbors Glock 9mm.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12Most DRM is used to lock people to a platform. iTunes DRM for example prevents you from choosing products that aren't made by Apple.
  • chkdg8, on 07/21/2008, -14/+5Well, just look at last week's E3. More and more PC developers are producing games for the consoles instead. Take Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution for the consoles. It's a little buggy and they're addressing that right away but besides the obvious, the game is an outstanding RTS on any next gen console. I'm sorry but I don't think that I'm alone in saying that PC titles are dwindling every year.
    • BugMeNot2, on 07/21/2008, -3/+9There's a new Civilization releasing exclusively for the PC later this year, so using Civilization Revolution to support your statement that "PC developers are producing games for the consoles instead" does not work.
    • DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -1/+8Uhhhh..... Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft, go my Blizzard minions and attack this console supporting, PC nonbeliever!
    • Matri, on 07/21/2008, -0/+15Civilization? An RTS? You don't even know what the ***** you're talking about.
    • theMetalEdge, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2"It's a little buggy and they're addressing that right away but besides the obvious, the game is an outstanding RTS on any next gen console."

      This tells me that publishers can rush out games because they can always "patch it" after launch, just like PC games.

      Consoles are no longer safe from buggy software at launch anymore.
      • Gamoc, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1It tells me that the games that are buggy on consoles can be patched and fixed afterwards. There have always been buggy console games. Now there's a way to repair them.
  • thedragon4453, on 07/21/2008, -2/+22If I owned a media company, I would have no DRM division. Rather than spending all that money on lawyers, DRM coders, etc, I'd spend it on said media. Pour some money into the games, cds, movies, etc. Just focus on making a good product.

    It doesn't ***** matter how good the DRM is. It will be cracked in a day, at most a week. You will not slow down pirates. You will slow down customers. I flat out don't buy things because I won't deal with DRM. I doubt I'm the only one. For example, I have not bought one track from iTunes. I am not going to pay more for the iTunes version so that I can play the music on the device of my choice. I also rarely buy PC games.

    Unfortunately, in this arena, PC gaming is killing itself. Its practically discouraging legit customers.
    • Matri, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2Any game by Stardock.
    • Chris1280, on 07/21/2008, -3/+2Games need serials. And thats it. Then it makes it difficult for an average user but a breeze for a pirate which in the end means no extra time is spent and it doesn't hurt the end user.
    • HoratioHellpop, on 07/21/2008, -0/+0//I doubt I'm the only one. For example, I have not bought one track from iTunes. I am not going to pay more for the iTunes version so that I can play the music on the device of my choice//

      Yes, you're in the vast majority. iTunes is, by and large, an utter and complete failure because users aren't willing to deal with the "great satan of DRM".

    • anagami, on 07/22/2008, -0/+0don't you know that iTunes was one of the first online stores to sell DRM-free songs?
  • minionboy, on 07/21/2008, -1/+18I had a similar experience with Dawn of War. I bought the game the day it was released, when the first expansion hit, it wouldn't install. I called customer service and after telling them my CD key, they told me that it was not their policy to help people who illegally download their game. They then demanded that I send in my original box and CD as proof that I did indeed buy the game to get any further support.

    Long story short, I had to download a crack to install the expansion.
  • stridox, on 07/21/2008, -2/+3*smirks*
  • thegodfaza, on 07/21/2008, -1/+28Tech Support: Ok sir. First open Firefox and go to the green deamon. Then do a search for Rainbow-Six keygen...
    • rockrapdude, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6khmkhm: www.gamecopyworld.com or www.gameburnworld.com
  • freaky2k, on 07/21/2008, -7/+8While I agree with the DRM statements, this has nothing to do with PC gaming. That is plain misleading. The same DRM forms are found on Console games...not to mention videos, music, etc, etc. DRM in general is a huge problem, but has little to do with PC gaming. Get it right.
    • Chris1280, on 07/21/2008, -2/+3It has everything to do with PC gaming. Checks every so many hours were planned for spore and another game. Now if that isnt the worse damn DRM ive ever heard planned then what is.
      • freaky2k, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1You still fail to realize that the problem is not PC gaming nor has anything to do with PC gaming. It has to do with those producing DRM and those installing it on products. The same companies who put DRM on PC games, own, and distribute the Console games as well. It doesn't matter which platform has the more restrictive DRM. The problem isn't with PC gaming nor those who create PC games. To say that is false and misleading. DRM is the problem...DRM is not PC only. The variant degrees of how bad it is not relevant.
    • masterthiefster, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6Console DRM isn't so restrictive. If I had, say, Mass Effect for the Xbox 360, I can play that in as many different systems as I like (one at a time, obviously). As long as the disc is confirmed to be authentic it will run on any Xbox 360, no questions asked. If I had the PC version, however, I can only play it on three system configurations (which is not the same thing as three separate computers), and after that I'd need to contact EA support to free up "activations". If I recall correctly, activations aren't even freed up when you uninstall the game. Most PC games don't have DRM this abusive, but knowing EA it will grace many of their future releases.
    • Gamoc, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1Yes, but when was the last time you had to patch a DVD film? The article is specifically about the patching of a game ***** up the game. This is specifically about PC gaming.

      We know that DRM is found in other formats and systems, but this is about PC games.
  • brainscab, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12So true. Ive heard of people paying thousands of dollars for adobe software but it kept resetting on them, and asking them to resend there serial codes, so they end up installing the cracked version anyways. When your DRM is actually discurring people to bu the product, there is a problem.
  • mattlohkamp, on 07/21/2008, -5/+4the trouble with pc gaming (and a lot of other things) is that people are not making art, they're making money. If you make art, and people like it, they will give you money for it - but you should be making it because making something beautiful is always worthwhile.

  • myhandleondigg, on 07/21/2008, -5/+5DRM in the form of USB dongles is working quite well in the audio editing field. Steinberg's Cubase 4 sticks out to me.. an $800 program with a huge user base that has been out 2 or 3 years still remains uncracked.
    • DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -0/+8I am pretty sure that is because mainstream crackers(best title ever) don't care about audio editing, or have cracked a similar program.
    • tcnarss, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Cubase 4 has definately been cracked. I believe the crack creates a virtual USB dongle, much like virtual CD drives in Daemon.
  • M724, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10Business should be based on something I like to call "trust." If you don't trust your legitimate customers, you're better off being out of business.
  • freyaXgefn, on 07/21/2008, -3/+2hahahahahahhahahahah. copy protection. lol
  • kestrel7e7, on 07/21/2008, -6/+1Enjoy it while it lasts, a foolproof DRM technique is inevitable.
  • idastheman, on 07/21/2008, -7/+1Is this a joke?

    http://digg.com/pc_games/Ubisoft_releases_no_CD_fi ...

    Burried.
  • MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/21/2008, -7/+1The Solution for PC Gaming:

    Require online logins for games. Make the games require downloading small scripts or data in order to run.
    The game executable contains everything but doesn't know how to run.

    So crackers can't make simple hex edits to jump sections of code, and virtual disks are useless.

    No DRM, no monitoring software, and no CD checks.
    • Trel, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10And if it's an offline game, such as Mass Effect for example, and if my computer is not connected and shouldn't have to be because I'm playing an offline game?
    • adinu79, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11Right, so the cracker enters debug mode on an original exe, watches for the net code to be downloaded, makes a dump and writes a wrapper that loads the code in memory when needed. Don't kid yourself, this wouldn't work either.
    • ronaldmonster, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Don't kid yourself! I bought Half Life 2 at launch and had dial up! Took me 16 hours before I could even play, plus that was steam before it got good so imagine the mess I was in.
    • AelitaMoon, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1Yes, even in this day and age, there are still people who don't have internet, or not-fast-enough internet.
      Requiring online anything is a Bad Idea, to me, because I shouldn't have to put up with my computer phoning home, sending unknown information (privacy policies still don't tell you exactly what they send, now do they?) to an unknown place.
      CD serials are fine. Granted, they're cracked the fastest, but IMHO they're still the most unobtrusive to the legal gamer.
  • theclaw1, on 07/21/2008, -1/+17PC gaming is definitely not what it used to be. And things like this are making the situation worse.

    90s PC gaming is true greatness, legendary in fact.

    Today's state of the platform is nothing but a horrible crusty shell of its former self. Bogged down with DRM, MMO after MMO, FPSs inferior to their last gen relatives, overly complicated strategy games, and so on.
    • myshl0ng, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9Quake, UT, Duke, Shadow Warrior, Doom and Total Annihilation, ***** yeah.
  • MarkBroadhurst, on 07/21/2008, -5/+4Steam seems to have it right, proper intergrated apps with them checks your account for a valid licenece when you start up.
    • chadpyle, on 07/21/2008, -4/+2Steam definitely does NOT have it right. Steam is a pain in the ass and a pile of *****. You could say it's a STEAMing pile of *****. 8D
    • NismoDrift, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1I will agree to your steam has it right, every maker should use proprietary service like steam, EA link seems to be moving in that way. I love gametap too that seems like an awesome service too. if businesses really want not to lose business just require a service, who cares bout the people who don't have online, most people should anyways if there buying a game for there computer.
  • Ortheos, on 07/21/2008, -4/+5Let's see. 900 million pc's wordwide all capable of playing solitaire or reversi at least. A backlog of tens of thousands of games.

    No pc gaming will never die. It can decline, then rise back up, it can see saw all over the place, but it can never die, because if it did, games could no longer be made on anything, since pc horsepower is used to design games for consoles etc.

    Also consoles are becoming fast too much like pc's so when everyone has a pc in their living room that focuses on media and gaming entertainment, you can then say console gaming died.
  • kylere, on 07/21/2008, -3/+3I have no problem with Ubisoft using the nocd hack, anyone who does is a hypocrite and against the very concepts of information being free.
  • bar10dr, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3This will all balance out when the people in charge now gets old and die, new blood that understands this market better is needed.
    The first big companies to embrace this new paradigm are the one that might stand a chance in the switch.
    • Seanathan, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2No kidding. I can't wait for the generation that's in power now to die off. So many changes are needed, but they're prolonging the inevitable with their antiquated values.
  • alfa5vodka, on 07/21/2008, -3/+0whats wrong with pc gaming? That there is a huge organized community of hackers who enable game pirating thinking that they are doing it all for the public good? While pc games like wow and other mmorpgs are booming pc fps is slowly dieing and even graphics wonder crysis and sp/mp sucess cod4 is not doing much to reverse the trend. If big names in the pc developer industry are finding that pirating is cutting into their sales what do you think small companies which try to focus on innovative material in next gen games are thinking. FPS on pc for now is not very profitable thus most of those developers are moving to consoles for the time being. sad, because average pcs now offer some serious graphics crunching power with nvidias 8800gt and ati 4850 for low prices.
    • Eganj, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1That is why companies that make first person shooters, like ID, need to get their ***** together and create a kick ass MMOFPS..

      An mmo based on doom would ***** kick ass
  • Coottie, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Stardock has figured it out and we should all buy their games to help support such a great company.

    None of their games have ANY copy protection at all. Zip, nada, zero!! Once you buy it and register it, if you lose your CD, you can download it for free.

    They don't want their games pirated but they also don't want to punish their paying customers. Support this unique company by buying their games and it will go a LONG way to changing the perceptions in the marketplace.
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080320-pc-g ...
    • chadpyle, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1I believe Bethesda Softworks has taken a similar position. Kudos to them both!
      • Coottie, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2Not with Oblivion. At least not that I can see. I still have to insert the CD whenever I want to play.
  • graphmac1, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1Hi-larious!
  • timsline, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2Seems like this must be some kind of copyright violation by Ubisoft, taking someone else's crack as your own.

    Still, another good argument against DRM.
    • Eganj, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3If you created a NOcd crack for one of Ubi's games would you take them to court if they used it?
  • BJ_Blaskowitz, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Something I would expect from Ubisoft. When it comes to PC gaming they are absolutely horrible to their customers.
    • DestroyFascism, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4Yep like selling damaged DVD's they refuse to replace, so I downloaded the pirated version. It will be years before I purchase another game. Stupid!
  • chadpyle, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5PCs are still the dominating sector of the gaming industry, and that's not going to change. After all, consoles are simply cheaper, dedicated gaming "computers". Advancements in PC technology directly drives the advancements we see in consoles.

    I'm impressed with what they've been able to accomplish with the 360, PS3, and even the Wii; but, none of them can generate the resolutions and textures, or offer the modularity of my gaming computer.
    • pagno, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1This is true, but you cant get a game-worthy system for under $1000.
  • Zordar, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3Ubi is an example of what not to do when people have problems. Years ago when XIII came out, a number of people had problems with their copy protection - if you had any form of virtual drive drivers running, the game assumed you were running an illegal copy and wouldn't start. Since Ubi was of no help, the forums were full of complaints about it. The only way to make it work was to use a NoCD crack, but if you dared suggest this on the forums, you got banned. I ended up taking it back and trading it for the XBOX version.
  • ociris, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1The only time i am compelled to buy a pc game is when it requires me to play online. Diablo 2, StarCraft and C&C series are some of those in my list of legit games.
  • Coolkid11, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2Support Paradox and Stardock. Neither of them have draconian DRM.
  • ajb2015, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2I think steam is pc gaming's greatest hope. It is pretty fair, you can install your games anywhere without the disk, and older games can be downloaded for a reasonable price.
  • nydwarf, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1This is a story straight from the Bizarro Universe.
  • 2Bnor2B, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2I hate having to get out a CD every time I just want to kill some time and play a game for a few minutes.
    I have more appreciation and respect for the NoCD hacker sites which fixed my problem , then for the game manufacture who created it.
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