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- ghostlywind, on 07/21/2008, -2/+74When will game companies learn that DRM just keeps out the legal users, not the pirates.
- rajputwarrior, on 07/21/2008, -12/+66the problem with the gaming industry its run by old men who can only think of their wallets. People make the claim that pc gaming is dieing... well its true. It because of companies like this, not because of piracy...
- BenKenobi88, on 07/21/2008, -2/+50I just buy games on Steam. I know you can work around it, but there's so many benefits to Steam compared to buying at a brick and mortar, the biggest for me being an easy-to-use, generally reliable system compared to the crappy DRM in most new retail games.
- BalooUrsidae, on 07/21/2008, -5/+52Anybody else find it ironic that stolen code was used to fix copy protection software of all things?
- hazeprophet, on 07/21/2008, -1/+45I remember years ago my, less than computer savvy friend, friend purchased Madden for his computer because he lacked a console. He got it installed perfectly fine, but then called me saying it was telling him that he didn't have the CD in the drive. Long story short was that he had an older model CD-ROM drive that the protection didn't work with. How'd I fix it? I went and downloaded the crack... Problem fixed. The issue I had with this is that if I had wanted to pirate it, I would have had a far easier time getting the game to work than my friend who actually purchased the game.
- Stavrosian, on 07/21/2008, -1/+35Liar! DRM obviously works brilliantly. That's why, if you scan all the torrent sites, you won't be able to find any of the latest game, music or film releases available for download.
Oh, hang on a minute... - thegodfaza, on 07/21/2008, -1/+28Tech Support: Ok sir. First open Firefox and go to the green deamon. Then do a search for Rainbow-Six keygen...
- CVL4317, on 07/21/2008, -3/+26Steam, where the players don't need to understand DRM to play
- thedragon4453, on 07/21/2008, -2/+22If I owned a media company, I would have no DRM division. Rather than spending all that money on lawyers, DRM coders, etc, I'd spend it on said media. Pour some money into the games, cds, movies, etc. Just focus on making a good product.
It doesn't ***** matter how good the DRM is. It will be cracked in a day, at most a week. You will not slow down pirates. You will slow down customers. I flat out don't buy things because I won't deal with DRM. I doubt I'm the only one. For example, I have not bought one track from iTunes. I am not going to pay more for the iTunes version so that I can play the music on the device of my choice. I also rarely buy PC games.
Unfortunately, in this arena, PC gaming is killing itself. Its practically discouraging legit customers. - minionboy, on 07/21/2008, -1/+18I had a similar experience with Dawn of War. I bought the game the day it was released, when the first expansion hit, it wouldn't install. I called customer service and after telling them my CD key, they told me that it was not their policy to help people who illegally download their game. They then demanded that I send in my original box and CD as proof that I did indeed buy the game to get any further support.
Long story short, I had to download a crack to install the expansion. - theclaw1, on 07/21/2008, -1/+17PC gaming is definitely not what it used to be. And things like this are making the situation worse.
90s PC gaming is true greatness, legendary in fact.
Today's state of the platform is nothing but a horrible crusty shell of its former self. Bogged down with DRM, MMO after MMO, FPSs inferior to their last gen relatives, overly complicated strategy games, and so on. - engmar, on 07/21/2008, -4/+19If PC gaming does die it will be because those "old men" wanted it to. They would much rather lock you in to a platform where they can control the hardware, software, and licensing completely.
- Matri, on 07/21/2008, -0/+15Civilization? An RTS? You don't even know what the ***** you're talking about.
- Drahkar, on 07/21/2008, -5/+18PC Gaming is not and never will be dying. The people who say that are the same kind of people who report for the Enquirer, The Globe or Fox News. People who write sensationalist headline tripe in the effort to make people watch and or read what they are reporting on regardless of if it is true or might hurt someone. PC Gaming like any platform has its up and downs where interest waxes and wanes in flux with any interesting games on the market. This is normal for any market. All other platforms have similar slumps, the only difference is you have breaks in their time-line with the release of a new 'Model' where as with PCs, you don't get notices like that. You just have PCs. so it sounds more pronounced when it really isn't. Its an illusion.
That's not to say bad business practices and some really bad ideas having caused great deals of harm to the PC industry. It certainly has. And there was a period of time there that throwing a game out that copied another game just to try and make some bucks off their trail through the market nearly caused a stagnation of game innovation. That was a while ago. And there is a considerable amount of new and interesting games that have come out and are coming out. From Oblivion, Crysis and the Civ games to The Sims 2, Spore and Fallout 3; I believe there is a lot going for the game industry. That's not to say there won't be ups and downs in the future. But I do feel this is definitely one of the ups. - netneutrality, on 07/21/2008, -9/+22If there was no money in it they wouldn't make the games in the first place.
- twiztidsinz, on 07/21/2008, -3/+15Yes! Good idea!
Because people will NEVER be able to create modchips! - MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12Most DRM is used to lock people to a platform. iTunes DRM for example prevents you from choosing products that aren't made by Apple.
- inactive, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12So true. Ive heard of people paying thousands of dollars for adobe software but it kept resetting on them, and asking them to resend there serial codes, so they end up installing the cracked version anyways. When your DRM is actually discurring people to bu the product, there is a problem.
- adinu79, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11Right, so the cracker enters debug mode on an original exe, watches for the net code to be downloaded, makes a dump and writes a wrapper that loads the code in memory when needed. Don't kid yourself, this wouldn't work either.
- TheCheeks, on 07/21/2008, -3/+13...kind of? People still pirate consoles.
- jrbrewin, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11it's a sad day for digg when perfect logic, and truths are dugg down.
- Trel, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10And if it's an offline game, such as Mass Effect for example, and if my computer is not connected and shouldn't have to be because I'm playing an offline game?
- SpyDerMann, on 07/21/2008, -2/+12The problem is that DRM only promotes piracy. I'd rather buy an expensive DRM-less DVD that I can back up at any time than a copy-protected DVD.
- M724, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10Business should be based on something I like to call "trust." If you don't trust your legitimate customers, you're better off being out of business.
- kamahl928, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9I don't understand half the taxes I pay...
- myshl0ng, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9Quake, UT, Duke, Shadow Warrior, Doom and Total Annihilation, ***** yeah.
- JigoroKano, on 07/21/2008, -1/+10Yeah, just the other day I made a bit for bit copy of my neighbors Glock 9mm.
- DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -0/+8I am pretty sure that is because mainstream crackers(best title ever) don't care about audio editing, or have cracked a similar program.
- jamesdew, on 07/21/2008, -2/+10No it is ironic, how is it a coincidence?
Irony can be defined as a series of events that seem to mock the expected outcome. In this case it is ironic that that a legitimate company used a hacked exe to resolve their issue with DRM. - twigboy, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7Wheres the Blizzard love? =(
- Stavrosian, on 07/21/2008, -5/+12That is not even close to being logically equivalent.
- Nezacant, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7I've seen opposite. Games go down in price quicker on steam. COD4 is not 70 dollars on steam and I've never seen it for more that 50 dollars (unless it came in a pack with other games).
- latova, on 07/21/2008, -1/+8Hahaha. Funny.
Just thinking about using a controller in an shooter game makes me laugh. - DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -1/+8Uhhhh..... Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft, go my Blizzard minions and attack this console supporting, PC nonbeliever!
- rockrapdude, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6khmkhm: www.gamecopyworld.com or www.gameburnworld.com
- NTolerance, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6I buy Valve games on Steam. The problem with non-Valve games on Steam is that the original DRM is usually left intact on top of the Steam DRM. The Steam version of Bioshock still had Securom.
- BugMeNot2, on 07/21/2008, -3/+9There's a new Civilization releasing exclusively for the PC later this year, so using Civilization Revolution to support your statement that "PC developers are producing games for the consoles instead" does not work.
- vpshockwave, on 07/21/2008, -1/+7I thought it had something to do with direct download versions still asking for a CD or something.
- BJ_Blaskowitz, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Something I would expect from Ubisoft. When it comes to PC gaming they are absolutely horrible to their customers.
- h4ppydotcom, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6How about this for a two part solution...?
1) Games companies give you, their players, their TRUST and games without any form of DRM. The same goes for music, DVDs, and everything else in the digital era.
2) You, the players (and listeners and watchers), act HONESTLY and repay the publishers' trust by paying for the games. Download a copy and try it out if you like - no problem. But if you like it, start playing it for several hours a day or otherwise just get into it then it's in your interest to support the developers (so they can pay their bills, recoup their costs and perhaps make a sequel). So pay them a fair price. - Coottie, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Stardock has figured it out and we should all buy their games to help support such a great company.
None of their games have ANY copy protection at all. Zip, nada, zero!! Once you buy it and register it, if you lose your CD, you can download it for free.
They don't want their games pirated but they also don't want to punish their paying customers. Support this unique company by buying their games and it will go a LONG way to changing the perceptions in the marketplace.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080320-pc-g ... - DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Are you people who like to imagine this private world where piracy doesn't exist on consoles paid by the console industry or something. It is rather surprising to see so many of these posts.
- ronaldmonster, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Don't kid yourself! I bought Half Life 2 at launch and had dial up! Took me 16 hours before I could even play, plus that was steam before it got good so imagine the mess I was in.
- masterthiefster, on 07/21/2008, -1/+6Console DRM isn't so restrictive. If I had, say, Mass Effect for the Xbox 360, I can play that in as many different systems as I like (one at a time, obviously). As long as the disc is confirmed to be authentic it will run on any Xbox 360, no questions asked. If I had the PC version, however, I can only play it on three system configurations (which is not the same thing as three separate computers), and after that I'd need to contact EA support to free up "activations". If I recall correctly, activations aren't even freed up when you uninstall the game. Most PC games don't have DRM this abusive, but knowing EA it will grace many of their future releases.
- tcnarss, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Cubase 4 has definately been cracked. I believe the crack creates a virtual USB dongle, much like virtual CD drives in Daemon.
- chadpyle, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5PCs are still the dominating sector of the gaming industry, and that's not going to change. After all, consoles are simply cheaper, dedicated gaming "computers". Advancements in PC technology directly drives the advancements we see in consoles.
I'm impressed with what they've been able to accomplish with the 360, PS3, and even the Wii; but, none of them can generate the resolutions and textures, or offer the modularity of my gaming computer. - DalamarArgent, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Sometimes I get the feeling the people who obsess over correcting misuse of the word irony don't actually know the definition of the word irony. Now that would be a "coincidence."
- DestroyFascism, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4Yep like selling damaged DVD's they refuse to replace, so I downloaded the pirated version. It will be years before I purchase another game. Stupid!
- Radan, on 07/21/2008, -2/+6Piracy on the consoles are not even marginally as widespread as for the PC.
Although I hate being the moral nanny, it's simply not true that piracy isn't hurting PC gaming. How couldn't it? The more people who downloads the games, the less people there are to pay for it. Though, still people scream and complain if there's advertisements in the game, even though they didn't pay anything to play the game.
It seems lately as it's not accepted anymore to earn any money on making games. Though, still we complain loudly when they don't release a patch every month after the game's release. - neuber, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4 I can't imagine any way to bypass that system /sarcasm
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