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PC Gaming Is Dead?!?
msnbc.msn.com — Every couple of years — usually after a fresh crop of consoles hit the market — the drumbeat starts to sound: PC gaming is finished.
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- frooo, on 03/27/2008, -7/+151.. and yet one of the most widely played video games in the world is Solitaire.
Go figure eh?
Solitaire will keep PC gaming strong! YOU GO MS!- scififan9009, on 03/27/2008, -1/+30Not to mention that hidden flight sim in Excel.
- Dokument, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3rly?
- aldableep3, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7ya rly.. but only in office 97 if im not mistaken
- Atomic1fire, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6what about google earth
- Dokument, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3rly?
- roadies, on 03/27/2008, -1/+13I have to agree with frooo. Casual gaming will keep "PC Gaming" alive for years to come. It's a HUGE market. Look at Popcap, Garage Games, Pogo, Konfabulator, etc.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I really don't see PC gaming dying ever.. whether its casual gaming or any gaming... I mean that's where it started.. and after all other game consoles over the years, there's still games on PC.. so why would this time be different.. They don't use game consoles to program games.. they use computers. I doubt they would just stop.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I really don't see PC gaming dying ever.. whether its casual gaming or any gaming... I mean that's where it started.. and after all other game consoles over the years, there's still games on PC.. so why would this time be different.. They don't use game consoles to program games.. they use computers. I doubt they would just stop.
- 1randomguyO8, on 03/27/2008, -4/+0Seriously if PC gaming = Solitaire is that going to be any good?
- mitchlourens, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4woosh.
- carl25, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1it was really bad in college, i would play it for pretty much all of class
- grumbel, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Very true, but Solitair, Bejeweled and friends isn't exactly what 'classic' PC gaming used to be. The hardcore PC gaming definitively seems to be in trouble, while the casual gaming seems to be alive and well.
- scififan9009, on 03/27/2008, -1/+30Not to mention that hidden flight sim in Excel.
- havshaj, on 03/27/2008, -4/+124certain games suit consoles better than pc and vice versa. so pc gaming being dead? no way.
- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -40/+1why? the controller vs. keyboard? how come consoles and computers both use keyboards and conrollers? it's the same thing, idiot
- quadvods, on 03/27/2008, -2/+12you cant use a KBM for gameplay on a console 'idiot'.
- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -18/+2yea you can "idiot" a console has usb ports and kbm have usb connections, plug it in try it
- quadvods, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1uziko.. note I said GAMEPLAY. Yes, you can use a keyboard for chatting on msn on an xbox, which is a bit different than playing halo though isn't it.
- Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -4/+6@uziko: Even if you could...why?
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Why not?
- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -18/+2yea you can "idiot" a console has usb ports and kbm have usb connections, plug it in try it
- Nyaos, on 03/27/2008, -4/+15And a mouse? Doesn't matter. Games like Halo have autoaim for consoles to make it easier for you guys.
- quadvods, on 03/27/2008, -2/+12you cant use a KBM for gameplay on a console 'idiot'.
- celkin, on 03/27/2008, -2/+10Exactly. Could you imagine WoW on a 360/PS3?
- DMDekoth, on 03/27/2008, -7/+5Well.. yes. Some people play WoW with their 360 controller.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0lol, yeah right, must be complete n00bs.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Nice job guys, digg me down without a response. Explain how you can control this ; http://www.morearnings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007 ...
with a gamepad.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Nice job guys, digg me down without a response. Explain how you can control this ; http://www.morearnings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007 ...
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0lol, yeah right, must be complete n00bs.
- Squidwalk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1It would probably work like FF11 did if WoW was on a console. But forget about addons!
- staticneuron, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2Yeah considering you can use keyboard and mouse on PS3 i do not see what the big issue would be?
UTIII for the PS3 played just like the PC version as far as I am concerned.- ehal256, on 03/30/2008, -0/+0actually, the ps3 version is a tad slowed down, according to Epic.
- DMDekoth, on 03/27/2008, -7/+5Well.. yes. Some people play WoW with their 360 controller.
- kernel16, on 03/27/2008, -0/+19Yet it still puzzles me that FPS is now becoming more of a console gaming genre, how the hell did that happen!? Developers are probably just too afraid of ppl downloading it for free they moved away from PC not even taking any risks, and releasing them maybe much later on for potential extra bonus sales.
- yosempai, on 03/27/2008, -4/+10I always feel like a retarded turtle when I play FPSs on consoles. The controls are so...unnatural.
- deanimate, on 03/27/2008, -1/+15spot on. you really cannot argue that playing an FPS or RTS is the same on a console as it is on a PC. they suck ass on a console imo.
consoles do their best to help out FPS games with stuff like autoaim, which also sucks, but you always get that feeling that you've morphed into a retard while you're playing. Get an FPS going on the PC and you suddenly have precision and reaction back in your grasp.
likewise some games suck on the PC and ideally need a console.
yin and yang. - lamiaconfitor, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6does anyone else think civilizations on consoles sucks ass? I remember playing it on playstation, and damn...
- TheUngod, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1PC gaming will never, ever die. People will ALWAYS have a computer around for reasons other than gaming. Why would companies not utilize a system you already have? Granted, people won't all be able to run the newest, top quality games, but since it's already sitting there, in just about every home in the country, it will never be ignored as a gaming platform.
- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -40/+1why? the controller vs. keyboard? how come consoles and computers both use keyboards and conrollers? it's the same thing, idiot
- DarKnight90, on 03/27/2008, -11/+67I always choose the console over a PC unless it's an RTS. I refuse to play an RTS game with a controller plus the expansion packs are great for RTS games. Other people feel the same way about FPS games and RPG games. I really can't see PC gaming die.
- Drakoola, on 03/27/2008, -5/+5If they made keyboard and mouse for the console PC gaming would take a hit, I would switch. Casual gaming will be stronger on PC for a while, because its far easier to make a game for PC than console. That might change as well though. I'm not sure why they haven't made keyboard and mouse for the console yet, seems to me like it can't be that hard to do.
- Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -3/+7Most consoles have keyboards and mice. Heck, I remember having a mouse for the PS1.
- skubiszm, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4But how many of them let you use a keyboard and mouse to play a RTS or FPS? I can't think of any consoles doing that.
- Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1PS1
- Beerduck, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1@Myonosken
Red Alert for PS1 is the only game i can think of that used the mouse. Name one FPS for PS1 that used mouse+keyboard.
Heck, name one game period, for PS1 that uses BOTH mouse and keyboard. Cant? Didn't think so. - Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You said RTS OR FPS.
- skubiszm, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4But how many of them let you use a keyboard and mouse to play a RTS or FPS? I can't think of any consoles doing that.
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2I don't think the mouse and keyboard will ever catch on for consoles cos they need a desk to work best. BUT I think someday there will be a controller setup that adequately emulates the feeling. The guy that figures it out will make a mint.
My first colour gaming system was an Atari VCS and it had at least four different controllers over its lifetime, at least 1 of which I haven't seen on anything recently. The paddle controller. Take that into another dimension and you have a trackball mounted onto your controller. There are already a few people using trackballs for RTS and FPS games on the PC. Crazy people, sure, but they're out there.
- Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -3/+7Most consoles have keyboards and mice. Heck, I remember having a mouse for the PS1.
- Discobiscuits, on 03/27/2008, -10/+18How anyone could find playing a shooter without a mouse/keyboard combo is just blasphemy. Praise allah for all the small gaming communities that still exist within PC's greatest games. I'd take a dedicated, small community anyday over a bunch of dumbass kids who play Halo 3 24/7 on Xbox. Hell, people are still playing ***** old Doom-based games online. Legends never die.
- EmperorAwesome, on 03/27/2008, -2/+8You raise an argument I've used for a long time. If more and more kids are gonna come in and start playing games online, I'd much rather them all congregate around a console network that I won't touch. The current crop of CS players is hard enough to deal with as it is.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2Way to generalize..
- EmperorAwesome, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Hey, I never claimed to be a statistician, I'm just speaking from personal experience.
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -1/+0lol @ playing CS still.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2Way to generalize..
- maveric101, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4i play a lot of halo 3, and i've learned a very important thing. if you want to stay away from assholes and annoying little kids, don't play Big Team. play smaller, ranked matches where people are usually more serious. plus you can mute people. very effective. plus you don't get people spraying pics of gay porn and ***** like in CS.
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Find a better server with active admins. Preferably one that states straight up that they won't tolerate nasty sprays, racism, or any other form of being an asshole. There are a precious few.
- DrIce926, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1Gay porn is, well, gay porn. Which should be worse in your mind, though - a well-aimed head shot with the scout, spattering your opponent's brains onto the wall behind, or a 128x128px picture of a few naked guys being weird? It just raises some questions about our current society, that's all. =(
- Squidwalk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You're spot-on dude! We should all recognize the hard work little group of really creative people put into mods. Mods are why we have things like CS, TF2, and Portal. A lot of great developers get their start in the mod communities. While the Xbox 360 community dev pack is a step in the right direction, it's nothing like the modding PC communities have been doing for over twenty years.
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Mods for high profile games are dying a death. It's just getting too complicated. There used to be a multitude of mods for virtually every reasonably open PC game when everything was 2D sprites or even simple 3D models. The more complicated the original games got the higher the bar to entry for mod-makers became. Shoot me down but there are far FEWER mods now than even just a few years ago. Which is not to say there aren't some outstanding mods still being made. Other than that I agree with you that top modders deserve some kind of grant just to allow them to keep doing what they do.
- Squidwalk, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1You're right, there is a pretty sad void in the modern modding circles. Half-Life 2 still has a great community, I'd say comparable to the original Half-Life modders. But some might say that's not a modern game now ^^;
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Mods for high profile games are dying a death. It's just getting too complicated. There used to be a multitude of mods for virtually every reasonably open PC game when everything was 2D sprites or even simple 3D models. The more complicated the original games got the higher the bar to entry for mod-makers became. Shoot me down but there are far FEWER mods now than even just a few years ago. Which is not to say there aren't some outstanding mods still being made. Other than that I agree with you that top modders deserve some kind of grant just to allow them to keep doing what they do.
- pcp777, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1BF2 FTW!
- EmperorAwesome, on 03/27/2008, -2/+8You raise an argument I've used for a long time. If more and more kids are gonna come in and start playing games online, I'd much rather them all congregate around a console network that I won't touch. The current crop of CS players is hard enough to deal with as it is.
- lukeev, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7I can't see myself playing Supreme Commander on the 360... it just... it just doesn't seem right.
- ld906, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6I have never been into PC gaming. I was always a console guy. That is until I met Company of Heroes. It made me into a PC game addict with upgrades (fun), LAN parties, etc. The thing is, I think CoH was a one hit wonder personally for me, because after CoH, CoD4, a bit of WoW, and the Orange Box, I am back to console gaming. For me, Final Fantasy, MGS, Silent Hill, GTA, KH and Shenmue, etc, are so emotionally powerful to me. I just don't get pseudo-spiritual satisfaction from PC games. :( The only game I play consistently on the PC now is CoH.
- Stevethegreat, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Have you ever tried any of the CRPGs of late 90s, early 2000s? Have you tried the half-life series? Are those game "pseudo" to you? I'm not saying that FF and MGS aren't good games, but look at them they're all Japanese titles (at least the good of them). Like it or not quality western gaming was always connected to PCs, there's a rich tradition pointing to that with games of equal or better quality than those you wrote. Unfortunately now that the medium is dead devs returned to console creating mediocre games (compare UT original with UT3, or Civ I/II/III with the new Civ coming to DS and possible the big consoles). Console gaming is adjusted for the Japanese lifestyle, with PCs being so predominant in the West the death of PC gaming would prove once again Japanese developers as the ONLY developers of quality games.
Since it is a matter of aesthetics I won't try to impose it to you, but since Jgames are not appealing to me (and also in lots of others), I can consider the whole of gaming scene dead from now on...... - Squidwalk, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Remember, the PC gets a lot of those games eventually, and the ports are sometimes better in graphics, additional content, or load time than the console ones. Mass Effect's PC port promises to fix a couple of the annoying features of an otherwise sweet game. And the drop in load time for games like GTA and Psychonauts is worth it.
I get what you mean about emotionally powerful games though, all your examples are great. You might not be exposed to the right PC games though. Oblivion was a pretty awesome experience, and the mods and patches give it the leg-up on its console counterparts. Bioshock was pretty moving at times too, and the general agreement of my peers is that it is a radically different, more dynamic experience on the PC due to the the control issues of the console. - dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2The Underdark add-on for Neverwinter Nights 1 made me mist up. Little Deekin FTW!
- Stevethegreat, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Have you ever tried any of the CRPGs of late 90s, early 2000s? Have you tried the half-life series? Are those game "pseudo" to you? I'm not saying that FF and MGS aren't good games, but look at them they're all Japanese titles (at least the good of them). Like it or not quality western gaming was always connected to PCs, there's a rich tradition pointing to that with games of equal or better quality than those you wrote. Unfortunately now that the medium is dead devs returned to console creating mediocre games (compare UT original with UT3, or Civ I/II/III with the new Civ coming to DS and possible the big consoles). Console gaming is adjusted for the Japanese lifestyle, with PCs being so predominant in the West the death of PC gaming would prove once again Japanese developers as the ONLY developers of quality games.
- maveric101, on 03/27/2008, -5/+5i don't see why pc gamers go on and on about keyboard and mouse. controllers aren't really that hard to use, even for fps. besides, keyboards become totally impractical when you have friends over and you want to get play some video games. you can't get more than one person on a computer, and even if you could, each person would need a flat, sturdy surface to play. i regularly get together with friends to hang out, and when we feel like playing video games, you can hand out four controllers and play on one bigscreen tv.
although i will say, rts almost necessitate a keyboard and mouse. i don't see how you can move around large maps with a controller. in other news, i can't wait for Starcraft 2.- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6Why do we go on and on about keyboard / mouse usefulness? Let me tell you
1. How many different functions can you access with one hand on the keyboard? Let's see: Movement (WASD), Crouch, Prone, Use, Flashlight, Reload, Team-Speak, Team-Chat, Scoreboard, Weapon swap and Select. I can press as many of these as I have fingers simultaneously, so I can move and reload, then start talking, all simultaneously. You can't do that with a controller - depending on your grip you can press a few buttons at a time.
2. Try aiming with your console. Then watch someone who prefers a mouse aim with their mouse. Which one of us do you think will hit the target more frequently, faster, and with less twitching about? If you guessed "mouse-user, and by a long shot", then congratulations, you win a cookie.
3. Between the precision and speed, there isn't a prayer of your controller keeping up with me while I'm playing an FPS. I guarantee you that even comically inept players using mouse/kb would pose a significant challenge to all but the most adept controller-users.- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2I understand and I AGREE that you can do a lot more stuff with kb/mouse compared to a controller.. I have 6 buttons just on my mouse.. its just plain better.. BUT I can also, with a controller, move, jump, reload, turn around midair while talking on my microphone too.. maybe its just the example you used
- Trykt, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I humbly submit that controllers are not intrinsically inferior to keyboard/mouse aiming and movement, they simply operate on a different curve.
As a lifelong hybrid gamer, I will admit that my skills with the mouse to this day exceed my skills with the dual analog aiming setup. I think my experience is probably similar to most others that have a lot of experience with both control schemes.
Upon first touching a keyboard/mouse setup, aim and movement is awkward. Using the keys to move and the mouse to aim are not completely intuitive and as such, are cumbersome upon first use (I was so intimidated by mouse aiming that I was a keyboarder for most of my Quake 2 "career"). This quickly passes with practice and a level of adeptness is achieved much more quickly than with a dual analog controller. I haven't played it in months but I'll bet a bottle of single malt whiskey I could load up CS:Source and immediately score several headshots.
The controller is almost the opposite - using one analog stick to move and an identical stick to aim is easy to grasp. Mastery, on the other hand, requires a great deal of practice. Although I have been gaming on analog sticks since PS1 days I have only been competitively doing so for a year and a half. I still have not mastered the controls to the level of pulling off reactionary headshots like I can in CS:Source, but I fully believe it can be done given the great number of competition highlight videos I've seen showcasing high caliber console game players.
I'd really like to see something like a cross-platform CoD4 match where a highly skilled PC player and a highly skilled Console player go head to head and see who wins out. This is assuming auto-aim is turned off, since any player of sufficient skill on either platform sees auto-aim as a hindrance rather than a benefit.- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I definitely concur that the mouse/keyboard is a little alien at first, in the same way that typing is alien. But in my experience, the keyboard / mouse combo is far easier to learn than the controller. To be fair, I don't own a console worth mentioning (ew Sega Saturn), but I've played a fair few games of Halo2 (play with my friends...somehow their owning the xbox doesn't matter too much when our final scores are counted).
Apparently there have been a few games that let you play PC-with-Console. If I recall correctly, they were back in the days of the Dreamcast. The synopsis of play was "The people with the mouse win, then come the people with the controllers...even the best people with controllers have a hard time keeping up with mediocre people on the PC."
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I definitely concur that the mouse/keyboard is a little alien at first, in the same way that typing is alien. But in my experience, the keyboard / mouse combo is far easier to learn than the controller. To be fair, I don't own a console worth mentioning (ew Sega Saturn), but I've played a fair few games of Halo2 (play with my friends...somehow their owning the xbox doesn't matter too much when our final scores are counted).
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6Why do we go on and on about keyboard / mouse usefulness? Let me tell you
- Drakoola, on 03/27/2008, -5/+5If they made keyboard and mouse for the console PC gaming would take a hit, I would switch. Casual gaming will be stronger on PC for a while, because its far easier to make a game for PC than console. That might change as well though. I'm not sure why they haven't made keyboard and mouse for the console yet, seems to me like it can't be that hard to do.
- SilentStrider, on 03/27/2008, -11/+29PC gaming won't die, per se, just continue to lose ground against the consoles. At this point, for me anyway, it's just not cost effective to keep upgrading my PC to run the latest and greatest games. And like others have said, there are some games that just don't translate to a controller.
- logandurand, on 03/27/2008, -4/+12Once again, you only need to upgrade if you want more power. Don't upgrade, and your games will look just as good as always. You don't upgrade your console, yet that doesn't seem to bother you.
- tehchicken, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6What about when you bought a PS2 when you already had a PS1? Your getting the new console but its really just an upgraded PS1.
- MillionsLivio, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7The difference is the games are made to made to run on that hardware. PC games are made to run on a range of hardware, thus overtime it becomes an issue. Every game out for the 360 will run on it, there's tons of games that won't run well on my PC and it's only two years old with mid level graphics card.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2And then, PC gamers will tell you to set the graphics on LOW.. its nice that you have THE OPTION, to do it, but it still won't look nice.. no matter how bad the consoles may be compared to PCs..
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5Not true. I am a poor gamer, so I upgrade rarely. I notice that games slowly look worse over time. It isn't that my computer is slowing down (I make sure to that), it is that the engines are less efficient. EG: Crysis and UT3 are the ugliest games I own, I find that games which are older actually run and look better. The game is designed and optimized for current hardware. My hardware is a few years old, so games which were made a few years ago were optimized for it. Consoles are optimized for only one set of hardware, and the optimizations get better over time. The results? PC looks uglier with newer games, console looks better.
- logandurand, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Good point, games don't seem to be developed with as much scalability these days.
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0you are comparing old games to new games and expecting anyone to agree? The fact of the matter is that PC games require better hardware to look good, which you don't have, so they look like crap. I can run crysis on very high @ 1920x1080 no AA up to the last 1 or 2 levels, then I must drop down graphics to medium (yes even I have to drop the graphics at this point). It isn't this magical 60fps that everyone seems to think you MUST have in order to be playable and this is simply not true. You can have a very damn good experience running 20-60fps range. I of course run xfired HD3870's so the only games on PC that I cannot run at max settings is a little bit of Crysis, and Everquest 2.
- smoger, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2for some reason people equate "not being able to run the game at it's highest settings" with "not being able to run the game". i don't understand that.
remember,.. "low" on most current pc games is still as good or better than anything on a console.
- Dracusis, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2Get off the couch and get a job.
Problem solved. - BrandonMills, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2$400 for the latest, greatest gaming console is the new 'standard' price. A decent gaming PC can now be built for $600ish, and a PC can do a "lot" more than just play games. Furthermore, if I need to upgrade my PC, usually it's just a matter of a memory upgrade or a video card upgrade. If I need to upgrade my console, I have to buy an entirely new console. That's not also considering constant console premiums console users never figure into the equation. ( more expensive games, hardware that constantly needs replaced every generation like controllers, Xbox live, etc. )
- fokov, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I think the "inefficiency" of today's games helps drive the cost of hardware, which have taken gamers like me out of the picture. The last game I bought a computer for was quake 4 because I played quake 3 for a long time. I was horribly disappointed and will never again buy hardware for a game. my hardware right now won't play bioshock or anything like that with good graphics. I just remember back in the day programming for quake 1,2 ,and 3 they spent so much time trying to squeeze every FPS they could into the engine so it would play great on all machines. Now they just say buy new hardware.
Also, PC gaming is filled with piracy, consoles not so much. At least in the MP market. I think that is the main reason game companies are shifting to consoles.
- logandurand, on 03/27/2008, -4/+12Once again, you only need to upgrade if you want more power. Don't upgrade, and your games will look just as good as always. You don't upgrade your console, yet that doesn't seem to bother you.
- RetepNamenots, on 03/27/2008, -6/+100Yes, a fresh crop of consoles come round every few years, and PC gaming is evolving all the time.
If PC gaming dies, it would take consoles with it; the hardware developed for PCs is the stuff that is used in the consoles, and without PC gaming manufacturers wouldn't have as much pressure to develop newer and better hardware.- Vidd, on 03/27/2008, -11/+3I think you're being somewhat naive.
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+10Care to elaborate?
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -1/+0Trolls don't elaborate, they propagate :P
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+10Care to elaborate?
- isunktheship, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6IMO consoles will die out before computers, they will BE computers, so there will be no need for these different platforms, ***** will all come together on the pc, which it already kinda does. Bill gates was smart to create the xbox, its just a computer for only games. (Although they lost money on every purchase, they only made money on the games) The 360 is even more like a computer, internet access, HD, GUI, etc.
- angito, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0I never got on the internet with my 360. Isn't it strange that it is the only console without a browser, and you say it like a computer...
- staticneuron, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I would consider the PS3 to be more like a PC. With instalation of different os's, keyboard and mouse support. Browsers, support for user created content.
The point of the article isn't the the PC market is dead it is just that it is dying a slow death in terms of games.
"Easy or not, PC game sales were dwarfed by consoles and console games in 2007 — at least at retail. PC game sales accounted for $911 million in revenue — a relatively small percentage of the $18.8 billion sales seen by the industry overall, according to the NPD Group.
There’s one missing piece of this equation, and that’s “World of Warcraft” — the game PC advocates inevitably point to when console fans start bashing their platform. Blizzard’s massively multiplayer online role-playing game juggernaut counts 10 million active subscribers — each paying 15 bucks a month. That’s a lot of gold. "
Saying that WoW is all people talk about doesn't bode well for the industry because it is only one game. Only one company is raking in the profits from that. Listing solitaire is just pure desperation and the excuse about controls fall flat as I use a keyboard and a mouse to bring the pain on the PS3 version of unreal tournament.
If they brought final fantasy to the consoles, which I first played on PC and thought couldn't really work on a console, I really do not see why they cannot bring wow to consoles.
I am curious. if blizzard brings Wow to the console world what excuses are left? - ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0I don't know, but I'll still be playing my HL1 and HL2 mods, and TF2 of course ^^
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0Um, my PS3 does more than a 360 I think. (not wanting to start argument, just stating)
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I think you're half right. Consoles will become more like PCs and we'll have a repeat of what we had in the 80s with a multitude of different PCs with proprietary OSs. Instead of Orics, SInclairs, Commodores, Elans and BBCs we'll have MS, Apple, Linux, Nintendo and Sony PCs with their own games, office suites and internet applications. Well... except Linux will run on all of them.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I just wished they didn't "develop" new hardware every week with barely higher specs.. I wish they would plan and sell new video cards every year maybe.. so it keeps going forward.. just with less steps in between.. Its the steps that ***** me off.. they can make a video card that will be good in 5 years.. they just don't.. they will instead make 20 video cards til then.. adding 50-100Mhz each one..
Its like the Multicore processors.. if only they used the damn dual cores, it might be worth something.. for most things, you just end up with 2 medium cores that are slower than a previous gen single core processor because none of the software supports it..- pcp777, on 03/27/2008, -0/+18800 GT. $200
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1HD3870. $150-200 (Yes I root for the underdog)
- pcp777, on 03/27/2008, -0/+18800 GT. $200
- Squidwalk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2It might be ok for manufacturers to not develop better hardware at this point.
For example, my friends and I all have good PCs and current-gen consoles, but we all played (and loved!) Persona 3 last year. It was a really well executed and well written game. When the expansion comes out, a lot of us are going to put down our keyboards, mice, 360 controllers, and play another ps2 game. School Days LxH is another good example of another game that makes amazing use of the hardware of the now-humble PS2. Console hardware is great now, we really can't blame a bad gaming experience on poor equipment. The developers just have to make good games.- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I wish they'd stop making games for PS2. Yeah I said it. I just can't go back to old consoles no matter how much I played the game before, the graphics are just ...ew. Yeah I know I'm spoiled by the hot new next gen consoles and PC but thats a good thing!
- Squidwalk, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1It's alright to want more development on current-gen consoles, I do too. But the current gen is a lot harder to dev for than the last-gen. I'd be ***** the proverbial biscuits if Persona 3 was on the 360. But there's still a huge market for PS2 games because you can accomplish so much with even last-gen hardware, lots of people still have a PS2, and they're way easier to dev for.
- gimmeit, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I wish they'd stop making games for PS2. Yeah I said it. I just can't go back to old consoles no matter how much I played the game before, the graphics are just ...ew. Yeah I know I'm spoiled by the hot new next gen consoles and PC but thats a good thing!
- Vidd, on 03/27/2008, -11/+3I think you're being somewhat naive.
- TheBren, on 03/27/2008, -24/+0PC Gaming isn't dead... it just smells like it.
http://www.nombz.com - HoboGamer, on 03/27/2008, -10/+57I definately agree with DarKnight90, as a mouse+kboard jockey, the frustration is maddening when playing Halo 3 with a controller at an Xbox 360 night with your buddies, if only they had cross-platform Halo 3 online. It might help PC gamers vent out some much needed frustration about losing the "gaming war", since we all know mouse + kboard in FPS's = win.
As long as people want to play FPS's and RTS's competively, we will need the PC... until consoles start pushing out official mice and keyboard accessories, that'll be the final beating of the drum IMHO.
http://www.hobogamer.com- Picaroon, on 03/27/2008, -6/+16I actually prefer the controller for FPS gameplay, but I know I"m in the minority. You're right that FPS is more precise with a mouse+keyboard. The idea that gaming on PCs will go away is just silly.
And I don't care what anyone says; there's no way to get RTS right with a controller.- scotticus, on 03/27/2008, -3/+4The mouse/keyboard is more accurate, and I'm only a paintball soldier, but the controller feels more like reality. With the mouse/keyboard, it's pretty easy to run while keeping your crosshairs pinned on the enemy, which in reality isn't possible at all.
That said, I do prefer the mouse/keyboard combo. Especially as an adult who now sucks at video games.- MillionsLivio, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Paintball soldier? Get over yourself.
- scotticus, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2trust me, I am.
I don't own camo, or a gun.
- scotticus, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2trust me, I am.
- MillionsLivio, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Paintball soldier? Get over yourself.
- setrajonas, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Pikmin begs to differ!
- scotticus, on 03/27/2008, -3/+4The mouse/keyboard is more accurate, and I'm only a paintball soldier, but the controller feels more like reality. With the mouse/keyboard, it's pretty easy to run while keeping your crosshairs pinned on the enemy, which in reality isn't possible at all.
- Brad324, on 03/27/2008, -5/+6I don't see how a PC would be better for competitive FPS gaming. When you're all playing on the same hardware, it's much more competitive. Not to mention, lightning fast keyboard/mouse precision might make you better at killing people faster, but since when does ease of killing define your enjoyment of a game? As long as everyone's using the same controller as me, then I'm fine with it being a little more difficult to get that headshot. It just makes it that much more satisfying to master.
- MarzipanBabies, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3Wow. Why would a control mechanism that makes you worse because of decreased accuracy be better for competitive gaming? Better because you have to learn to compensate for the clumsiness of a controller? That's kind of like saying instead of racing pure bred horses, we should race donkeys because you get the added difficulty of trying to make the damn thing do what you want it to...
- Brad324, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3no, we should race corvettes instead. Horses are too inefficient. It's all about efficiency, right? If a mouse truly were the only way to play FPS, it would be the norm for consoles already.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -2/+0No, it wouldn't be the norm, because consoles are about ease of use, not everyone can use a keyboard and mouse whilst playing a game on the couch. And playing an fps with a controller is like driving an F1 car with your feet. Sure, you can get used to it, but you're still gonna suck compared to people who do it properly.
- Brad324, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3no, we should race corvettes instead. Horses are too inefficient. It's all about efficiency, right? If a mouse truly were the only way to play FPS, it would be the norm for consoles already.
- wafflesomd, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2"Not to mention, lightning fast keyboard/mouse precision might make you better at killing people faster, but since when does ease of killing define your enjoyment of a game?"
That statement does not make sense. If the object of the game is to kill, then more precise controls that equate to more and faster kills, then the faster more precise control will always be the best choice. Getting rid of the skill does not make the game more enjoyable.- Brad324, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Kind of like how sitting close to the TV provides you more kills in Duck Hunt? I don't see how easiness of game corellates with competitiveness of game.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0mostly because with pc fps's the best players take it beyond aiming and shooting. In competitive pc fps tournaments, aim and movement is the bare minimum for entry, you have to be able to control the map, predict enemy movements, constant bunny hopping ^^ etc. It's makes the ease of use non-important.
Personally, I much prefer driving a damaged car that's missing a wheel.
An undamaged and tuned car is undoubtedly more controllable and faster, but in my opinion it takes a lot of fun out of driving.
Simply driving fast doesn't require anywhere near the same amount of skill, and the lack of windshield feels far more immersive.
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0mostly because with pc fps's the best players take it beyond aiming and shooting. In competitive pc fps tournaments, aim and movement is the bare minimum for entry, you have to be able to control the map, predict enemy movements, constant bunny hopping ^^ etc. It's makes the ease of use non-important.
- Brad324, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Kind of like how sitting close to the TV provides you more kills in Duck Hunt? I don't see how easiness of game corellates with competitiveness of game.
- frsrblch, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1By that reasoning, we should be playing Halo with SNES controllers so it's "harder to master".
Being good at games should have more to do with strategy, teamwork and reflexes than overcoming the control scheme.- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4but the thing is.. some of us are quite used to the controller in first person shooters and we don't feel like we are overcoming anything.. we just play..
Most PC gamers that hate the controllers just aren't used to them... yes the kb/mouse is better.. but when you often use a controller and adjust sensitivity, it becomes second nature.. again, not as good/accurate as kb/mouse.. but consoles players play with console players anyway..
Just like when I first used the drums in Rock band, I didn't like them caus I sucked with them.. but after playing for a while, you get the hang of it, and you aren't struggling anymore..- wafflesomd, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I'm used to controllers, they're just ***** for FPS compared to a keyboard and mouse.
- wafflesomd, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I'm used to controllers, they're just ***** for FPS compared to a keyboard and mouse.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4but the thing is.. some of us are quite used to the controller in first person shooters and we don't feel like we are overcoming anything.. we just play..
- MarzipanBabies, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3Wow. Why would a control mechanism that makes you worse because of decreased accuracy be better for competitive gaming? Better because you have to learn to compensate for the clumsiness of a controller? That's kind of like saying instead of racing pure bred horses, we should race donkeys because you get the added difficulty of trying to make the damn thing do what you want it to...
- loopyloopy, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1screw Halo and its promotion of (gay) spousel abuse amongst teens
- BrandonMills, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1If they had cross-platform Halo 3 online, then they'd all be forced to switch to PCs, or at least demand mouse controls from Microsoft. There is no way a standard Xbox controller nub competes with the a high-DPI laser mouse when it comes to aiming. You put both of the gamers in the same arena, and they're be a slaughter of 360 blood on the battlefield.
- smoger, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1if you're a pc gamer, why are you even sweating over Halo 3(or any Halo for that matter)? that's like being able to eat filet every night and opting for a hamburger instead.
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1If you agreed with him why didn't you say so in a comment to his message instead of whoring your website with a separate reply?
- Picaroon, on 03/27/2008, -6/+16I actually prefer the controller for FPS gameplay, but I know I"m in the minority. You're right that FPS is more precise with a mouse+keyboard. The idea that gaming on PCs will go away is just silly.
- gameradam, on 03/27/2008, -4/+107Starcraft 2, Sims 3, World of Warcraft + Expansions.
It's FAR from dead!- ritzcracker, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6Yeah, i don't think i can uber micro on a controller as well as my keyboard.
- adventflux, on 03/27/2008, -0/+16And Duke Nukem Forever. It'll be here, trust me.
- Jadhar, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1...and it will suck
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+10***** no. It will kick ass and chew bubblegum, but it's all out of bubblegum.
- Attol, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3Balls of Steel. Balls of Steel. Balls of Steel. Balls of Steel.
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1SHUT U-
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Yep that's why DNF was first created.. to keep PC gaming alive, forever.. when we have kids.. we will still be able to tell them "keep your computer for games.. DNF is coming"
- Jadhar, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1...and it will suck
- Metalcard, on 03/27/2008, -8/+5Why is it I am only seeing this small list of games from PC gamers? Is WoW and the Sims all there is for you to play? Sure you can say you have Half Life and such, but console gamers have that to. If the list of games you play is really that small then PC gaming may die in the near future.
- kernel16, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1ya but I've noticed when PC gamers take on a game in particular they stick to it for ages. I count my play span for console gaming in weeks and months, PC gaming in years but the list of games is much shorter. You also have mods for PC gaming, cs, dota, and so on.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Mods are what keep a lot of games alive..
- Parkinsons, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4It seems to me that PC gaming tends to be a small hardcore setting. Dedicated servers do a lot to make PC gaming more of a community because people often feel they have a "home" to go to. Player made mods and custom game modes also create a community where a few games is enough. My brother has been playing Starcraft since the '90s, if he gets a little board of the regular game he plays some 'Use Map Settings' games. Personally I have been playing cs 1.6 for years and it is nice to play familiar game with familiar people in a familiar server.
Mods, Dedicated servers, and a strong community will never allow PC gaming to die. - ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4Warcraft III, Guild Wars, Orange Box, Civ 4, Sims 2, Garry's Mod, Counterstrike, The Movies, and Evil Genius. These are all absolutely great games and only ones that I HAPPEN to have that I HAPPEN to be able to think about off the top of my head. I don't generally disagree with console gamer's arguments this much, but you just took the fact that he made a short list and made an IDIOTIC assumption that those were the only good games he could think of. It is simply a fact that there are more games for the PC so don't try to argue that.
- thebaron2, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1It's not about quantity of games, or even quality for that matter.
The simple fact is that, from a business perspective, the money is in the consoles! At least for software developers. The trend is that games are being released on console first, selling hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of copies, and then making mediocre debuts on the PC 4-6 months later. If this trend continues, it will be less and less attractive for developers to focus on creating games for a PC environment because their ROI won't even approach what they could make from the console market.
It's not about controls, or whether FPS' require a keyboard and mouse - it's about profitability! As more people migrate to the consoles and make their game purchases there instead of waiting for a PC release, the potential PC market shrinks and shrinks. Add in the stigma of piracy (which may or may not actually effect sales as much as industry insiders say it does) and focusing on the consoles seems like a pretty damn good bet.
Regardless of whether or not you like your older games, the question is "Will developers continue to have the economic incentive to develop for a continuously shrinking market?" If that answer is no, it doesn't matter how much the "hardcore PC gamers" scream. It's all a numbers game, and the numbers are stacking up on the console side.
- thebaron2, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1It's not about quantity of games, or even quality for that matter.
- ZeroFive1, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1The half life port sucked. D pad to switch controllers?
Lame. - manitoba98xp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1That was a list of exclusive titles. But most of the major titles of 2007 are here on the PC as well (Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Orange Box, etc.) Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed are coming, delayed. And we have Crysis, which doesn't exist on the console. To use the example of Half-Life 2 (since you brought up the series), it was out on the PC one year (less one day) before the Xbox version.
The game selection is great on both; it really boils down to which experience an individual prefers.
- kernel16, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1ya but I've noticed when PC gamers take on a game in particular they stick to it for ages. I count my play span for console gaming in weeks and months, PC gaming in years but the list of games is much shorter. You also have mods for PC gaming, cs, dota, and so on.
- Jadhar, on 03/27/2008, -4/+2you listed 3 games, 2 from the same company. The console market is much more healthy than that....this is like me saying that the ps2 isnt dead because Yakuza 2 is coming soon!
I'm not saying that I think PC gaming is dead, I'm saying that your reasons are flawed. - ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I think Will Wright said he definitely didn't want to make another Sims game.
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Which isn't the same as saying there won't be one.
- ultrasparc, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1+1 for SC2
- rAid135, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4You forgot Spore
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Available on every platform known to God, last I heard. Plus, it's a dollshouse game.
- hockeypaul, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0and they haven't played Tribes 2. gah.
- SumguyTwentyOne, on 03/27/2008, -3/+8Also
Sins of the Solar Empire
Starcraft 2
Empire: Total War
SPORE
Disciples III: Renaissance
Panzers: Cold War
Jagged Alliance 3
Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms.jpg
Demigod
Society
Cities Unlimited
Worldshift
Perimeter 2
Multiwinia
Europa Universalis Rome
Untitled Napoleonic era wargame
Supreme Ruler 2020
Hegemony: Philip of Macedon
Jutland
Field Ops
Seven Kingdoms: Conquest
HistWar: Les Grognars
Iron Grip- Warlord
Political Machine 2008
Commander: Napoleon at War Hero
Loco MogulHero
Panzer Command: KharkovHero
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Soulstorm
Anno 1701: Sunken Dragon
The Settlers VI Empire of the East
First Settlers VI add-on
Fantasy Wars: Elven LegacyHero
Penumbra: Black Plague]
Sam and Max Season 2 Episode 201: Ice Station Santa
Sam and Max Season 2 Episode 203: Night of the Raving Dead
Sam and Max Season 2 Episode 204: Chariots of the Dogs
The Experiment
Gray Matter
Vampyre Story
Nikopol: The Carnival of Immortals
Dracula 3
Mata Hari
Sherlock Holmes versus Arsene Lupin
Still Life 2
Alternativa
So Blonde
Dracula: Origin
Simon the Sorcerer 4
Machinarium
Perry Rhodan
The Whispered World
The Path
Ankh 3: Battle of the Gods
Resonance
Love
Treasure Island
Art of Murder: FBI Confidential
Blackwell Convergence
Cassius Pearl
Secret Files 2
Abbey
Heaven
Overclocked
Memento Mori
Nostradamus - The Last Prophecy
The Lost Crown: a Ghosthunting Adventure
Dead Mountaineer Hotel
Kaptain Brawe
AGON: The Lost Sword of Toledo
Mozart
Sinking Island
Juniper Crescent - The Sapphire Claw
Dreamfall Chapters
Pirates of Burning Sea
AVENCAST: Rise of the Mage
Dragon Age
King's Bounty: the Legend
Drakensang: The Dark Eye
Dropship
Afterfall
Reluctant Hero
Space Siege
Hard to be God
Mount and Blade
Not the Time for Dragons
Legend: Hand of God
Age of Decadence
The Broken Hourglass
Seeker
Avernum 5
Mysteries of Westgate
Deathspank
City of Abandoned Ships
Guild Wars 2
Star Trek Online
Ragnarok Online 2
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
Warld of Warcraft: Wrath of Lich King
Dragonball Online
Montjoie!Hero
Spandex ForceHero
Cryptex of TimeHero
Jack’s BouncyHero
Subversion
Overflow
Democracy 2
Cosmic Osmo's Hex Isle
World of Goo
Crayon Physics Deluxe
Crazy Machines 2
Warlords Online
Guitar Rising
Deep Blue Sea
Constellations
Katamari Online
Rising Eagle: Futuristic Infantry WarfareHero
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky
Ground Branch
Enemy in Sight.
Far Cry 2
Natural Selection 2
Tomboish Witches
Captain Claw 2
Global Agenda
Hammerfall
Chrome 2
Lone Wolf: Flight from the Dark
Battlefield Heroes
Quake Live
Fallen Empire: Legions
Fez
Gumboy Tournament
The Great Tree
Kohatogaoka koukoujoshi guro-bu Gleam of Force.
Kwari
Zeno Clash
Gish 2
FinnWars 2
Audiosurf
The Spirit Engine 2
Ascension
Fireteam Reloaded
King Solomon's Treasures
Alien Swarm: Infested
Cryostasis
Cletus Clay
Eduardo The Samurai Toaster
Face wound
Savage II: Tortured Soul
Black Sky
They Hunger: Lost Souls
Armada Online
Limbo
Collapse
American McGee's Grimm
Americas Army
Storm of War: Battle of Britain
Digital Combat Simulator: Black Shark
Jet Thunder
Fighter Ops
Jumpgate Evolution
Infinity: The Quest for Earth
Universe Online
Microsoft Train Simulator 2
Knights of the Sky
Silent Hunter 4: U-Boat Missions
BattlestarGalactica: Beyond the Red Line
Starfox: Shadows of Lylat
Wing Commander Saga
The Tomorrow War
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea
Rail Simulator
Live for Speed S3
FiRST RACING
ARCA Sim Racing
Turismo Carretera
MOTORM4X
Steel beasts 2
Iron Seed 2
Aquarica
Untitled Carbine Studios MMORPG
New Pyranha RPG
North Star
Not to mension countless other mods, free indie games and flash games.
http://www.systemwars.com/forums/showthread.php?go ...- yohnstoppable, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1dugg for heroes of might and magic.
- thebaron2, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1The Wii has an incredibly long list of ***** games too, it doesn't make any of them good. I looked into just a few of these-
So Blonde? Being released in German-speaking territories 3/14.
The Spririt Engine 2? A follow-up of a freeware game that looks like it won't even be released? From its homepage (apparently the developer just got a new job):
"I will be back under contract again, which will severely restrict my options.
I think that a release is still possible, though not in the way I had hoped and planned for. The game is essentially finished, and I have been bugfixing since January. I hope to be back with firm news later this Spring. "
Iron Grip- Warlord - no where to buy, no videos, but there are 5 crappy screen shots that make it seem like a watered down COD meets Command and Conquer or something.
Honestly, with a list that ***** and poorly researched you might as well include all of the free flash games from addictinggames.com and call them killer PC exclusive titles.- SumguyTwentyOne, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Indie != *****
- thebaron2, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1No, ***** = *****, and all 3 games I looked into look *****. There are some good ones in there, but that was obviously a laundry list of every game slated to come out. Why even waste the time?
I just randomly picked 3 that I didn't immediately recognize and googled them. Chances are if you pick 3 different ones you'll get the same results. Are you really trying to defend that list as comprising mainly quality games?
- thebaron2, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1No, ***** = *****, and all 3 games I looked into look *****. There are some good ones in there, but that was obviously a laundry list of every game slated to come out. Why even waste the time?
- SumguyTwentyOne, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Indie != *****
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1dugg for "New Pyranha RPG" but that's not how you spell it and I can't be bothered to look it up. I recently finished Gothic 3 (they made up BTW so the new game should be Gothic 5, with G4 farmed out by Jowood to, I think, Spellbound) after about 2 months. What kind of bastard walks you off on a 15 minute trek following a character just to be told "to be continued..."
- Liquidxtension, on 03/27/2008, -3/+54I dont believe Blizzard Entertainment thinks that.
- punkcat, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1they are PC gaming
- KloroFormd, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Captain Planet > Captain Obvious.
- sfrederiksen, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1orly?
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1Steam is PC gaming. There are few pc gamers without steam.
- KungFuJesus, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Valve?
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2You mean Blizzard Activision?
- KungFuJesus, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Neither does Valve
- srehana, on 03/31/2008, -0/+0pc game entertain us . sim2 is best game ever
- punkcat, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1they are PC gaming
- CC440, on 03/27/2008, -24/+1So what if its dead, its not like PC gamers really care about new gaes, its all about CS:S and Wow because they are highly addicitve. Games like that will last forever on the PC regardless of new content.
- defaultusername, on 03/27/2008, -4/+8Civ 4
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2I concur.
- TKardinal, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Interestingly, Firaxis, who wrote Civ 4, doesn't agree; they're writing the next-Gen Civ for consoles. :(
- chrissg, on 03/27/2008, -5/+49PC Gaming dead? Me and my new 8800gtxs' sure as hell hope not.
- ghee, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Show off.
- vorbalhorde, on 03/27/2008, -5/+1New 8800 GTXs? You got screwed. Return them for either 9600 GTs or the 9800 GX2.
- dadioflex, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1It's the perception that you need dual 8800GTXs to take part that is ***** on PC gaming. That's why Crysis hasn't sold all that well while Blizzard turns out games to be played by millions on modest rigs.
- waterdrop, on 03/27/2008, -5/+69Ever tried playing Counter Strike on Xbox? FPS, RTS, and other games simply don't work well without a keyboard and mouse.
- colincornaby, on 03/27/2008, -12/+7Yeah. Everyone knows consoles FPS's are never successful. No one ever figured out how to play Halo. : rolls eyes :
- RoboRay, on 03/27/2008, -3/+12Good point... FPS games do work well on consoles, if you eliminate the need for players to aim.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -2/+9I find it surprising how few console gamers realize that they get autoaim
- xino, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Colincornaby might not know that he has auto aim, but that doesn't make his statement less valid since he wasn't claiming that it works well on console without auto aim.
- robergeb, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2too bad i wont unbury him
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -2/+9I find it surprising how few console gamers realize that they get autoaim
- RoboRay, on 03/27/2008, -3/+12Good point... FPS games do work well on consoles, if you eliminate the need for players to aim.
- Sairgem, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4Counter-Strike is a bad example. That game was made for PCs, no port to console is ever gonna be good. Whether you like it or not, Halo DOES control well on the xbox. You don't have the precision of a mouse and keyboard, but it still works very well.
- ultrasparc, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0Ya I'd like to see consecutive HS's on a joy stick! Ain't nothin my G9 mouse can't handle :-D
- MillionsLivio, on 03/27/2008, -5/+5I own a 360, but I'm a PC gamer as well, seriously the PC gaming elitist mentality is annoying to no end. Who cares if the mouse and keyboard are more accurate, I enjoy playing on a console, and obviously so do most people.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -3/+4buried because you hurt my ego.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I wouldn't say "most".. but definitely enough
- jedikv, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Agreed - just reading here proves that point
- BriscoeJr, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1They're both fine to me as long as you never have a controller player vs a keyboard and mouse player.
Plessy v. Ferguson - maveric101, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1rts i would agree, but its not impossible to aim w/ a controller in fps. easy to use, hard to perfect. besides, isn't it supposed to be hard to get headshots w/ snipers and stuff? its not that easy to aim in real life.
- wtfdan, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You know, I'm tired of hearing this argument.
All three of the new consoles have USB ports and support keyboards and mice. Want to play an FPS with a keyboard and mouse on the 360? Go right ahead.- Barnolde, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You can't on 360, simply because Microsoft locks it out, it's their choice to limit your choices. You can on PS2/PS3 however.
- colincornaby, on 03/27/2008, -12/+7Yeah. Everyone knows consoles FPS's are never successful. No one ever figured out how to play Halo. : rolls eyes :
- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -15/+4Educational experience: Consoles and computers both use controllers and keyboards. Neither one is better or worse at using either. There is no difference.
- IdiotSeeker, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6BZZT! Idiot Seeker has identified user "uziko" as a certifiable idiot.
Reason:
Keyboard support on consoles is absolute crap, the ONLY game that supports it properly is UT3 on PS3.
Now please, shut the ***** up.- uziko, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1bzzt, only uziko certifications are admissible in the court of law, you have the "idiot" seal of approval from uziko, feel free to appeal the decision, (it won't work, but you can try)
- IdiotSeeker, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6BZZT! Idiot Seeker has identified user "uziko" as a certifiable idiot.
- Armageddon85, on 03/27/2008, -1/+32Isn't WoW the biggest continuous money maker of all time? I don't see WoW on any console... hmmm.
- idslite, on 03/27/2008, -7/+2WoW might be able to work on a PS 3. Since it has the option to use a keyboard and mouse and it has a pretty decent sized hard drive (or you could upgrade the hard drive) for the updates and expansions. But I can never picture Vivendi (Blizzard) going to a console format with it.
- microchp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3One challenge I see there is the management of add-ons. It could be done, but would put more onus on Bliz to manage them even if indirectly. The upshot would be compatibility and standardization. For the non hard core players it might be enough to get by given that they merged voice chat into the game. I will never buy a game console, but I could imagine some people I know trying it.
- asdfMAXasdf, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Xbox Live is pretty damn expensive, i can see that competing (Wouldn't have a clue about pricing or numbers for World of Warcraft though).
- ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -0/+015 dollars a month, 10 million active accounts. ^^
- goforplaid, on 03/27/2008, -4/+35What an ill informed journalist. Anyone who's a PC gamer knows how much better mouse and keyboard are. Pc gaming isn't going to die, it'll just be more and more for the hardcore gamers.
- scamper22, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5so the definition of PC gaming is a mouse/keyboard.
so if a console were to make that available, they would have pc gaming down and out?
it's not that PC gaming is dying...it's that consoles are becoming PCs.
I tried playing some games on PS3...and it had to 'install' and update. Then I put in a new game, and it had to overwrite some stuff...I was like WTF is this...what happend to console put in disk and play....You can also network, browse the web on them, play music/movies...- frsrblch, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Nail on the head.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Xbox 360 doesn't have those installations.. but PS3 has faster load speeds on some of those that use installations.. its a little annoying, but advantage either way..
And I agree.. I don't play my console because i can't "handle" kb/mouse, I just hate upgrading..installing, updating, patching, setting up ..
- scamper22, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5so the definition of PC gaming is a mouse/keyboard.
- nyls, on 03/27/2008, -0/+8Some of the greatest games for PC are alive and well, and free:
http://www.software4free.org/games.html keeps a Hall of Fame list- dichotom, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4Great.. a page that half the links are broken on LOL
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1OMG, the Internet is dying!
- dichotom, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4Great.. a page that half the links are broken on LOL
- compgeek, on 03/27/2008, -3/+18PC gaming for me will never die sorry but FPS games on a console just don't cut it same with RTS. some games like racing games play well on both I feel each has their place for just playing games and nothing more console wins for being able to play games and get something else done PC is where it's at
- Hangender, on 03/27/2008, -4/+15playing the orange box right now LOL
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2?
Yeah that's pretty hilarious. - ZEDZ0M, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0I could'nt imagine playing TF2 on console.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2?
- Aerandir, on 03/27/2008, -1/+24Innacurate: WoW says it all.
And wait a couple of years when Blizzard (finally?) deliver DIABLO 3...
The person who wrote this article must be a PS3 Fanboy or something... - CoolHandRemy, on 03/27/2008, -0/+9So now what am I going to do with my six cores?
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2the same as with the dual and quad cores.. not enough..
- Zeush8su, on 03/27/2008, -5/+146Not for me..I'm about to drop a grand on building a new gaming rig.
Perks for staying a PC Gamer.
1) Upgradable
2) True HD Resolutions
3) Expansion Packs are cheaper
4 Games are cheaper
5) Multiplayer games with more
the 16 player support.
6) I can multitask on a computer
7) STEAM.....nuff said.- mustang460, on 03/27/2008, -6/+14games are cheaper, not just expansion packs, most new pc games sell for 10 bucks under ps3/x360
- ReyX, on 03/27/2008, -1/+14That was mentioned right under Expansion packs are cheaper, at 4...
- tas08, on 03/27/2008, -2/+23Dugg for STEAM.
- Lososaurus, on 03/27/2008, -8/+1For the money you're about to drop on your single machine, I could buy a 360, PS3 and a Wii. Just sayin'.
- L4WL3RS34L, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8People still need a computer anyways for Digg and *****. So it's pretty much like getting a 360 because the other $700 would be the cost of a normal PC. And not to mention that he can get unlimited illegally free games on his PC too, while that is much harder for a console.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Hey! SHUTUP! That is why they claim PC gaming is dead, piracy and all that. I am sure he is going to buy every single game legitimately, right?
- HxChris91, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2yes.
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4Well, actually...
Thanks to Steam, I actually have bought a majority of the games installed on my computer right now. That's saying something, as I've got a few dozen installed. Not having to get up and bus / bike to the store (no car) means I can buy games on a whim - dangerous for my wallet, but very profitable for Valve. - OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2@DemonWasp, I know your pain. I spent $100 in one week on steam.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1A new "normal" PC for burning cds and downloading porn is like 300$.. not 700$..
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Hey! SHUTUP! That is why they claim PC gaming is dead, piracy and all that. I am sure he is going to buy every single game legitimately, right?
- L4WL3RS34L, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8People still need a computer anyways for Digg and *****. So it's pretty much like getting a 360 because the other $700 would be the cost of a normal PC. And not to mention that he can get unlimited illegally free games on his PC too, while that is much harder for a console.
- colincornaby, on 03/27/2008, -9/+3"2) True HD Resolutions" The XBox and PS3 both do 1920x1080. What's not true HD about that?
- MutatedNantuko, on 03/27/2008, -0/+8Xbox and PS3 use upscaling on games, same with the X360 DVD emulator, it's upscaling.
- Dantetheinferno, on 03/27/2008, -0/+9PC's can output at far, far higher resolutions.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1with the right hardware
- BrandonMills, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1The right hardware costs $125 now. ( 9600 GT ) That $500 video card argument is obsolete.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Wrong, most games are rendered at a lower resolution then upscaled, plus, dantetheinferno got it right, HD is for losers. PC can hit any resolution you can imagine, provided your monitor supports it.
- Archer, on 03/31/2008, -0/+1Not quite true. It takes more than monitor support, which goes back to my original point: expensive video cards. The comment above (by BrandonMills) says that "the right hardware costs $125 now. (9600 GT)". I'll concede that within the vid card market, this card is s good deal, but try running COD4 at higher than HD resolutions on that card.. or even just plain HD resolutions. You will NOT get smooth gameplay. I have the 8800 GTS (3.0 GHz C2D and 2 GB RAM) and the recommended resolution for my setup is 1024x768. I realize this is not an exotic top-of-the line card, but it's not old and it wasn't cheap. No one with a $1500 gaming machine is getting good frame rates at >HD resolutions, period.
- L4WL3RS34L, on 03/27/2008, -9/+128) You can get games for "free" a lot easier than on a console.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+9You are the reason PC gaming is being declared dead!
- Sokkratez, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2It's actually just as easy to "get" the console games. But no, no. Go jump off a cliff.
- lamiaconfitor, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3thats why people don't want to release pc titles! stop stealing! I hope someone gets your IP address.
- Shadow82v, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3LAWL, your killing your own market.
- Archer, on 03/31/2008, -0/+1you suck
- mattyice11, on 03/27/2008, -1/+14Game prices drop very quickly on PC as well. Bioshock now retails for $30 on PC, but is still $60 on the 360.
- rowenabrenna, on 03/30/2008, -0/+0and you can get "oldies" for good prices, too. I paid 5 bucks or so for Morrowind GoTY Edition and it's my favorite game (with all it's mods)
- Parkinsons, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7PC's don't need to pay their manufacture a subscription fee to play games online.
- clickwir, on 03/27/2008, -10/+2Actually, STEAM is a CON of PC gaming.
- iamnobody8614, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6Yeah. Who would want most of their games in the same place so they could play them by just double-clicking without needing to first putting in a CD. Also that feature of preloading games so they can play the minute they are released without having to stand in line at midnight is just pure *****.
/sarcasm(for the ones who will inevitably not get that fact) - OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3You are an idiot.
- ObeseEurotrash, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0I totally agree. steam is a steaming pile. great concept, but updating every time I open it is balls.
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1How frequently do you open it? If you're opening it every month you can sorta expect that.
I rarely notice it downloading at all, as it just updates itself with zero downtime. It's also nice that it adds little new features and bugfixes every time, so the program doesn't stagnate. If you don't want it to autoupdate, you can probably turn that off easily enough. - ehal256, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Try reinstalling it, I used to have that happen every time, but as soon as I reinstalled it, that problem disappeared.
- DemonWasp, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1How frequently do you open it? If you're opening it every month you can sorta expect that.
- iamnobody8614, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6Yeah. Who would want most of their games in the same place so they could play them by just double-clicking without needing to first putting in a CD. Also that feature of preloading games so they can play the minute they are released without having to stand in line at midnight is just pure *****.
- MylesMan, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I agree with multi-tasking & the console makers see that as well yet every time they attempt to make it easier for us to multi-task on the console(after hearing ppl bitch about not being able to do it) those same whiny bastards keep wining but this time it's ewwww u got email in my console!! Seriously wtf ppl do u want a console at all if ur gonna bitch like that!?
- Archer, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2I hear what you're saying; I've always been a PC gamer. But.. I have to admit that lately, I've had second thoughts. I just got an e-mail from nVidia pitching their new card. The upgrade will cost me $600... or the price of a PS3 w/ a spare controller and a couple of games. On top of that, I get a Blueray player. For my PC, I can't help but wonder how soon I'll have to shell out for a faster proc, more ram, or just the next vid card.
- frsrblch, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3And if you think you need to upgrade every generation, you're better off just buying a console as it will suit that mentality better.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1He can't upgrade a console.. so why would it suit him more.. those that DO upgrade every generation are the ones that drew me away from PC gaming.. they're the reason why manufacturers come out with little upgrades every 2 weeks.. for 100$ more each time.. the COULD create a 5Ghz single core processor.. but why would they do that.. people would stop buying
- Archer, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1If I gave the impression that I'm one of these guys who upgrades their PC at every opportunity, my mistake. I built a new system last year to replace a two year old system that wasn't cutting edge when it was new. Even the current machine isn't top of the line. I gave the new nVidia card as an extreme example.
There are three main reasons I have always preferred PC over console for gaming: 1) The graphics were always better, 2) I prefer the mouse/keyboard controls, and 3) PC games offer a level of sophistication that consoles do not, especially if you enjoy MMORPGs. With consoles now supporting HD, the first argument is starting to fade. I still prefer the mouse for FPSs, but I could probably get used to the console controls for everything else. And, while I still think PC games are more engrossing (i.e. less arcade-like), I've gotten kind of burned out on the 'second job' feel of many MMORPGs.
I'm not ready to make the switch, but I am considering getting a console, just to see how much I'll miss my PC for gaming. With both in the house, I'll soon know which I can live without.
- BrandonMills, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1The 9800 GX2. If you think that is what is required to game on a PC, then you need your head examined. A $125 9600 GT will do just fine.
- bbqsalad, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I am going to be buying a 9600 gt or two of them for my new rig.. so far I have mobo, cpu, heatsink, memory.. ordering case this week then psu next.. where can I get the 9600gt for 125$ because all I can find it for is 175$ish everywhere!?
- frsrblch, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3And if you think you need to upgrade every generation, you're better off just buying a console as it will suit that mentality better.
- loopyloopy, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1not to mention PC's appeal to the 'control freak mentality' of most true geeks the world over.
- gs68, on 03/30/2008, -0/+18. REAL games, not faggot games like shoot-em-ups or 2D platformers.
Get with the ***** times; are some gamers so spatially challlenged that they can't accept a mere third dimension in their games?!
- mustang460, on 03/27/2008, -6/+14games are cheaper, not just expansion packs, most new pc games sell for 10 bucks under ps3/x360
- Morphinity, on 03/27/2008, -4/+298 Million WoW players disagree.
- mustang460, on 03/27/2008, -0/+16what about the other 2 million?
- merper, on 03/27/2008, -0/+25Too busy killing boars to have an opinion.
- punkcat, on 03/27/2008, -3/+0so true
- merper, on 03/27/2008, -0/+25Too busy killing boars to have an opinion.
- Seeki, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1i think the count is up to 9 now
- ethos, on 03/27/2008, -0/+110 million users...it's kind of a big deal
- mustang460, on 03/27/2008, -0/+16what about the other 2 million?
- jvworldwide, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6There is also collusion at work here. I use to be a big fan of PC baseball, High Heat by 3DO was my fav. I'd buy a new game every year. but guess what... 3DO was bought out by crappy EA, and they stopped making PC baseball games Try to find a good PC baseball game. ( baseball mogul doesn't count, that's more of a sim game) MLB & EA and have forced all fans to console... and that sux for PC gaming.
- cidman2001, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2I'll second that for the Nascar series on the PC. EA has dropped the ball on this one as they continue to pump out "console only" versions of great franchises. I'll think twice about spending any more money on EA games as long as they continue to ignore the PC gamers. What a bunch of boneheads....
- ultrasparc, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1Baseball sucks
- Zindrix, on 03/27/2008, -3/+17Actually, I happen to think the opposite. As consoles are becoming more and more like computers with similar hardware, people will soon realize that the $600 they dropped into a new console could be better spent on fixing up their PC for gaming and still be viable for around 2 more years. Not to mention the fact that PC's can run other software applications other than games.
- tcardone05, on 03/27/2008, -1/+58MSNBC is dead.
- mrsatan, on 03/27/2008, -0/+13Oh god, how many times have we heard this? I'm sure they took into account all the people who play casual games on the internet. I'm also sure they took into account the vast number of games being played on STEAM. Wait, no they didn't? This is the same ***** we have heard before, PC gaming is not dead, it will struggle along like it always has. Just cause some people don't have the money to upgrade all the time doesn't mean that people won't support the PC. Even a small game like the Witcher sold over 700,000 copies. These small time studios don't have the big-bucks to shell out for a console dev kit. Also you have to secure a good publisher if you want your game to survive in the console market. You need to remember that indie gaming and small companies will always love the PC because of cheap development costs and availability.
- cassjewelry, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Casual games don't count because they have guuuurl cooties... just kidding. I'm obsessed with casuals.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1they don't make much money though.. but im sure they'll keep making them anyway
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2PC allows indie to thrive. I will never abandon pc gaming simply for that.
- cassjewelry, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Casual games don't count because they have guuuurl cooties... just kidding. I'm obsessed with casuals.
- zman14321, on 03/27/2008, -2/+13I get frustrated by articles such as this one. PC gaming is not dead, in fact I think that console gaming is going to die or rather evolve. Since their creation consoles have become more and more like PCs. They have internet access, web browsers, USB ports, can run linux, and finally HD quality. Once the online play merges with PCs what will really be the difference? Consoles will just be a type of specialized and inexpensive gaming PC.
- ibutho, on 03/27/2008, -12/+0First person shooters make sense on a console, but strategy games make sense on a PC. Games like the Total War series, Europa Universalis and any 4X space strategies just wouldn't make sense without a keyboard and a mouse.
- Parkinsons, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2The only FPS games that make sense on a console are the casual ones where you get together with three friends and play for a few hours every week. ie. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Halo.
- OrangeSoda31, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3True FPS do not belong on consoles. Proof: you get out your controller, and I will challenge you to a game of Quake, CSS, UT (2004 or original), or just about any other PC FPS, and we will see who wins.
- jedikv, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Whats a false FPS?
/sarcasm
- jedikv, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Whats a false FPS?
- EvilFerret, on 03/27/2008, -0/+29Once again, it's virtually impossible for PC gaming to die. If PC gaming ever DID die, gaming as a whole would have to die right along side of it.
- AzzX, on 03/27/2008, -1/+15Always the same :)
Steam..... Bigger user base than any current console.- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -12/+1Bigger than Ps2?
Fail.- Wartz, on 03/27/2008, -1/+11The PS2 isn't current.
Fail.- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -7/+1Yes, I think you will find it is.
The xbox, Gamecube and Dreamcast are not current, ps2 is and has by far the largest install base.
You lose and lose badly, my chump, thanks for playing.- B1663r, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Yeah... so the ps2 is the largest retro gaming platform...
- ZeroFive1, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3You didn't reply with fail.
Fail.
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -7/+1Yes, I think you will find it is.
- Wartz, on 03/27/2008, -1/+11The PS2 isn't current.
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -12/+1Bigger than Ps2?
- Carmilla07, on 03/27/2008, -0/+11Umm no Crysis, Spore, the sims all talked about a lot. Not to mention a lot of the console games are also released on PC.
- majik92, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1Minesweeper beats any console game any day!
- DonLinguine, on 03/27/2008, -9/+4pc gaming would be better off if it wasn't so expensive. I love my pc but it would be nice if I could afford a system that can actually play all of the newer games.
- Katnap, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Provided that you have a PC case, mouse & keyboard etc, you can build a capable gaming rig for the same price as a console.
I know not everyone is into building PC's, but it is an option if you have the know how.- ZeroFive1, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I have a 500 dollar computer with a geforce 6150 and I can still play source games like team fortress decently. This is from retail, so not nearly as good as I could have gotten if I built one.
- EtherGnat, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6An extra $250 every three years or so for a halfway decent video card is all it takes (over the cost of what you'd spend on computers anyway) to keep up a gaming rig.
- Dantetheinferno, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1I dunno about you, but i'm buying a E6600 + 2x9600GT's + 680i MoBo + case + PSU + The works, and getting a 20" monitor, and it's only costing me ~ 450$. (300$ for computer, 150 for monitor)
- negative3, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3$300 for that computer, come on. Maybe $550, but no one can by that from market for $300.
- grimward, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2That dear sir, depends on where your market is located. ;)
- mnky9800n, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0And apparently Dantetheinferno goes to the "fell off the back of the truck" market.
- pcp777, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3I want to shop where dante shops.
- negative3, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3$300 for that computer, come on. Maybe $550, but no one can by that from market for $300.
- Katnap, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Provided that you have a PC case, mouse & keyboard etc, you can build a capable gaming rig for the same price as a console.
- charlesray, on 03/27/2008, -0/+16It makes complete sense that consoles would take the lead, I mean they are much cheaper and much simpler, plus they have started added a lot of home theatre-esque features. But the idea that first-person-shooters are moving from the PC to the console is ridiculous. Just because lots of people play Halo on Xbox Live doesn't mean FPS are moving to console. The best and most innovative will still be on PC.
- natergin, on 03/27/2008, -8/+6“I don’t see it dying, but I do see it taking a back seat to consoles..."
That works for me,
I could do without a lot of the tards that should be playing on a console, instead of a computer. Let us game in peace.- Anagrama, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6Just as I'm sure that not all PC gamers are snob elitists, not all console gamers are tards.
I'm just saying...- natergin, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2well put,
I'm not a hater, just easily bothered i guess.
- natergin, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2well put,
- Anagrama, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6Just as I'm sure that not all PC gamers are snob elitists, not all console gamers are tards.
- s810, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7Nice MicrosoftNBC propaganda piece; by that logic they should stop making new TV shows for NBC because of lack of interest and too many people watching new shows on Cable.
- solidus636, on 03/27/2008, -4/+23What people don't understand is the PC gaming is FAR ahead of any console on the market. The PS3's GPU is merely a custom nvidia 7800, and most higher end cards beat that card easily or are very closely on par with it.
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -8/+3"What people don't understand is the PC gaming is FAR ahead of any console on the market"
That doesn't mean anything....you mean its more powerful.. - Dantetheinferno, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3Ya, but they custom program around that single video card which is why they can get great performance out of it. PS2 only had a ~300MHz proccesor, and a ~150MHz graphics chip. It's programming, not power.
- worthone, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1Is technical superiority really relevant when it comes to the question 'Is PC gaming dead?' Do you think Dreamcast would have died if its life had depended upon its technical qualities?
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -8/+3"What people don't understand is the PC gaming is FAR ahead of any console on the market"
- c0ncept, on 03/27/2008, -0/+12As long as the computer exists, PC gaming will be very alive.
- digitallysick, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Cross platform is the key, when a game comes out for multiple systems, we can't we all play the same game online together? It would be great.
- Parkinsons, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1The problem I see with that is that console gamers require auto-aim in FPS's so if a FPS were to be released on all platforms with online access to the same servers you would get PC gamers forced to use auto-aim. Also consoles would have a hard time with mods and add ons.
- CaptainPlanet25, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1And the PC Gamers would send you crying back to your stupid little consoles.
- Gundampilotspaz, on 03/27/2008, -5/+24Why would I want to play a shooter on a console? Why are people in the media so retarded?
Two questions that will never be answered....- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2Well if its an FPS, comfort, and you can play with real people or internet people, nicer ( though less accurate) controls.
If its a Shoot 'em up, say Ikaruga well....- DuMbGuM, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3I don't think the mouse will be beaten anytime soon, so much more precision than a controller.
- ceraphin, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4theres no comfort on an FPS on a console, I can play with people on the internet on the PC(I just wish more of my friends had the game for PC) the only thing the consoles have over PC is that you can have more than one person playing at a time, that's a great feature but I hate suffering ***** game experiences
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Big telly, nice couch...
- Gizza, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Big monitor, nice office chair...
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Big telly, nice couch...
- gs68, on 03/30/2008, -1/+1Shoot-em-ups are not games.
- Owwmykneecap, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2Well if its an FPS, comfort, and you can play with real people or internet people, nicer ( though less accurate) controls.
- Fuzi, on 03/27/2008, -7/+2PC gaming will start dying once keyboard & mouse gain more support on the consoles, until then PC gaming will be around.
- grimward, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3No, because by then your console will be IN the computer, as the console is obsolete as a function. Just watch the evolution of the console, you can see where it's headed towards, at first you had just a ROM which you put into a specialized box (hello NES), no load times, no frills .. no nothing.
Now you have keyboards, mice, harddrives, extra memory, extra swap-able CD/DVD/blueray drives and support for networking.. ... a console today IS A computer, just a very specialized one. - BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I just like the idea of development for one set of hardware.. I've always had many more issues trying to run a game on a PC then on a console. I'm not saying that i can't find solutions, I usually always can find a fix.. but I still get annoyed about having to find solutions to problems that just shouldn't happen out of the box.. ALTHOUGH, some irreparable mistakes have been done on cnosole games too..
But as a dev. I also see how good the games really are at running on a million different hardware configurations.. its never easy to please everyone
- grimward, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3No, because by then your console will be IN the computer, as the console is obsolete as a function. Just watch the evolution of the console, you can see where it's headed towards, at first you had just a ROM which you put into a specialized box (hello NES), no load times, no frills .. no nothing.
- fissionvsfusion, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I can only hope that I die before Wolfenstein 3D dies.
- tacomafia, on 03/27/2008, -3/+8I would gladly accept a console that used a KB & mouse as a main input.
- s810, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2nod, i'd put linux on it and use the hd if it had one as storage space
- scififan9009, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5*COUGH* PS3
- novask, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2And one thats upgradeable so that you can play the latest games on the highest settings. Oh wait...
- scififan9009, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1Current PS3 games use nowhere near the full capacity of the Cell processor. Look at PSOne and PS2 early release games compared to games released at end of life for those systems. The release games look okay, and the games closer to end of life look stellar. Point is Sony architects their consoles so that as they age, devs can utilize more of the hardware and make better looking games.
- scififan9009, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Digg me down all you like. I'm right. ;)
- scififan9009, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1Current PS3 games use nowhere near the full capacity of the Cell processor. Look at PSOne and PS2 early release games compared to games released at end of life for those systems. The release games look okay, and the games closer to end of life look stellar. Point is Sony architects their consoles so that as they age, devs can utilize more of the hardware and make better looking games.
- meghalc, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I miss my Commoder 64 :(
- triskele, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Here you go.
http://www.falcon-nw.com/images/FragBox_Deskmatch_ ...
- dezertrat, on 03/27/2008, -4/+3I think that as gamers get older, they start to have more responsibilities and less time. I know id much rather spend my time playing than installing, tweaking drivers etc. The console is just so much easier. Sure, sometimes i miss the complexities of some of the pc games, i mean battlefield:MC on the 360 blows compared to BF2 or even 1942w/ the DC mod. but i just dont have the time anymore, i just want to play NOW
- Parkinsons, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2In my case it is the opposite. Now that I am older installing drivers is a breeze and the online game play has significantly less whiny pre-teens.
- Steener, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3It feels like the PC gaming market is slowing down as consoles gain more market share. Im playing PS3 COD4 more then any PC game out right now and thats not going to change anytime soon.
- jmg703, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5Have you tried the PC version of COD4? After a few months of COD4 on XB360 I decided to get it for my PC.... now my XB360 only gets turned on once a month. Then i immediately turn it off and go to my PC.
- DuMbGuM, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3COD4 on the PC rocks, mouse all the way, much more skill involved.
- ceraphin, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2totally it becomes not a battle of who can strafe the best You actually have to react
- ZeroFive1, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Also, it's on steam.
- meghalc, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3If you cant get used to the controllers for the console, PC games will be better for you...I for myself, love the controller, I even use the Xbox controller on the PC for some games!
- DuMbGuM, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3COD4 on the PC rocks, mouse all the way, much more skill involved.
- jmg703, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5Have you tried the PC version of COD4? After a few months of COD4 on XB360 I decided to get it for my PC.... now my XB360 only gets turned on once a month. Then i immediately turn it off and go to my PC.
- terajoule, on 03/27/2008, -1/+11I do not believe PC gaming is dying but it isn't like it used to be. I think part of the problem is the lack of good quality games that resulted from having a huge pool of developers and publishers - which isn't the case anymore. Now you have the same old crap hashed out by the same people; gets old.
The exception to all of this is Steam (Valve). I used to not like the idea of it but now after using it for years I think it was the best invention ever for PC gaming and has probably saved it from losing more ground to consoles. The Half-life series along with Counter Strike and Portal are the only things that have kept me sticking mostly with the PC. I only buy consoles after they have been out for a few years but that is just me. PS2 = win.- ClevelandBrown, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Kudos for your second paragraph
- av4rice, on 03/27/2008, -5/+11"The million-dollar question, of course, is why PC games sell fewer copies than their console cousins. Everyone’s got a PC. Far fewer folks own an Xbox 360 or a PlayStation 3."
Everyone can pirate a game for PC. Far fewer folks know how to do it for a console.
PC gaming is going strong; it's just that it's not making money because nobody's paying for it. And this article assumes sales=popularity when that's not exactly the case.- colincornaby, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4You do realize that gaming companies are going to make games that sell, right? If PC games are not selling as well as console games, no matter the reason, companies will slowly stop making PC games.
- negative3, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6Yes I know Crysis and Bioshock had the holy ***** pirated out of them. But come on, most of those pirates wouldn't have bought them anyways. And what about Quake Wars and UT3 where sales are low and no one even bothers to pirate?
I think part of the problem is games have to really kick ass these days to lure people away from their habit multilayer games like CS 1.6, CS:S, WoW, WC3, SC, CoD2, etc... I've played a ton of TF2, but I've already migrated back to CS:S. Before that my habit multilayer game was WC3.
Console gamers play games for a few months then get new ones. PC gamers have been playing the same ***** for the last 3-5 years. Only occasionally do we take time out for games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or F.E.A.R. only to return to our habit multilayer game. Trust me, we WANT something to come along and break our habit, but I'm sorry, I just haven't played anything that will remove me from CS:S or WC3. The physics and draw distances in Crysis were a god damn joke.- wafflesomd, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Whoops, I dugg you down, meant to digg you up.
- highlyhigh, on 03/27/2008, -2/+0"PC gaming is going strong; it's just that it's not making money because nobody's paying for it"
who would wanna venture out to water full of pirates? that's whats happening to the developers- they're casting their nets to console market where theres more catch. if theres no more games worth playing for, the pc gaming is not gonna stay strong for long. and actually as you can see its already very weak compared to what it was couple years ago. - yenik, on 04/30/2008, -1/+3The piracy on the PC platform is the developers fault. They shouldn't be releasing games in any fashion other than Steam. I wouldn't work hard on a game, then release it on anything else personally. Even the box in the store would have a Steam install key, the encrypted Steam files on a disc and require an internet connection to activate the game. Anyone who wouldn't like this idea is a pirate, we all have internet but I'm sure people would whine. That's fine, don't buy the games that are distributed that way the. Pirate nothing. :)
It wouldn't stop piracy anyway, but it'd reduce it. I wouldn't touch the PC as a platform developing other than Steam. - dungbeetle, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7The reason they aren't selling is because they suck. Sins of a Solar Empire has NO protection at all and it is selling like crazy because it is a fun game people want to play. I haven't bought a game besides Sins in months because of them foisting there anti copy garbage on me (including Steam. No company should have the power they have over your games) and the general lack of good games.
- Vullkan, on 03/27/2008, -16/+2u can't afford pc gaming. u buy a ps3 and play with it for at least 4 years, and you'll be sure that you won't have trouble with any game.
know u can make strategy games for consoles too. just connect the mouse and keyboard.- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1But the reason that you have to constantly upgrade your PC is that the games are also constantly updating, and this isn't possible for consoles. Also, learn to spell and your argument will be much more valid.
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1But they do get to develop on a specific platform.. that's why they can get a lot more out of a game console than a PC with the same specs.. they get better at it.. (PS2 for example..)
Also, you missed the point where he can't afford upgrading his PC...thankfully, you can "lower" the graphics to keep playing or play newer games
- BearinG, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1But they do get to develop on a specific platform.. that's why they can get a lot more out of a game console than a PC with the same specs.. they get better at it.. (PS2 for example..)
- Sairgem, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Go back to high school and take an English class please. Actually, you may need to go back to Elementary school.
- CaptainPlanet25, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Yeah man, the PS3 had Resistance, and, and that racing game. Yeah. Did I mention it had Resistance: Fall of Man?
- ChristianMagic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1But the reason that you have to constantly upgrade your PC is that the games are also constantly updating, and this isn't possible for consoles. Also, learn to spell and your argument will be much more valid.
- ortucis, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Another PC gaming is dying but we are denying while console fans aren't denying but there must be discussion on this non-existent happening.. based article.
Oh and majority of Digg users who spend time digging down every pro PC (aka, MS Windows these days) comment are Mac and Linux users (they have more time for this), which means they mostly (or only) play games on consoles since developers don't care about anything else than Windows these days (except for few casual games, but still, majority of hot titles are on Windows).
So yeah, expect comments telling how PC is useless and any good PC configuration costs "InputCurrency"+"Input exaggerated amount pulled out from your ass".
