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- Unrefined, on 10/10/2007, -38/+531No PC Owner should buy this game until they get rid of this awful software protection policy. If you buy this, and the game is successful every game that comes after it will only let you install it twice. We can't allow this to happen. PC Gamers Unite!
- Sirocco, on 10/10/2007, -5/+312Newsflash: Copy protection doesn't work. Ever.
- RogueJediX, on 10/10/2007, -14/+195Oh, please let this be some sort of cruel, tasteless joke. I was really looking forward to playing this and I'd turn the other cheek if this were a straightforward game, but open-ended games usually get reinstalled after a while and replayed. I tend to agree with Alalu: This almost justifies piracy.
- OminousG, on 10/10/2007, -3/+147who is going to uninstall their game collection before a format?
and god forbid hardware failure - OminousG, on 10/10/2007, -3/+133The best part is that even after you uninstall the game, the Securom protection is left in your system. You can not remove it without a format, even Sony (owns Securom) has stated they will not provide help for removing Securom.
- blorc, on 10/10/2007, -7/+110This is ***** retarded. I don't care if you can "alleviate" or "avoid" the problem by uninstalling first. Why should I have to go through this ***** just to play the game I ***** paid for? I'm not a pirate. I'm not lending out discs or uploading the game to the Internet. It's inevitable that someone is going to get around it and do it anyway. All it does is harass and annoying legitimate paying customers.
I was considering buying this after I finished building my new computer in a few months, but I will probably avoid it all together. If I do play it, I'll either play it at someone else's place or find some other way to do it without paying them a dime. - truspector, on 10/10/2007, -30/+130One more reason why console gaming is taking over. Upgrading your system yearly, upgrading drivers for new games, and these activation hurdles you have to jump through just to get a game to work are not worth it to the average consumer.
- Gustomucho, on 10/10/2007, -61/+147hey guys,
first, let me say this. you DO NOT NEED TO USE THE INTERNET EVERY TIME YOU PLAY THIS GAME. it is only the first time.
second, you can uninstall and reinstall this game, and if, by chance, you have 2 computers you want to simultaneously play this game on, you also can do that.
if by some chance you are reinstalling this game without uninstalling it first, a lot, there is a chance you may have to call securom and get a key, or deactivate some older installations.
but if you upgrade your hardware next week, you'll still be able to play the game. if you revamp your system and need to reinstall bioshock, just uninstall it before you go through the overhaul, and then do your reinstall.
calling it "hardware fingerprinting" is a bit alarmist. we do not transmit any of your data to any companies.
really, the only people who will be concerned about any of these security measures are those who are rapidly putting bioshock on many pcs... if you use the game as you normally do, you won't notice this at all.
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Enough with sensationalism crap.. give the fact - Protonz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+77Too late, bought it yesterday.
Typically the only time I reinstall is when windows gets really messed and won't boot anymore. Kinda makes it tricky to uninstall a program in that situation.
I am not happy about having to do an extra step just for their copy-protection scheme. The people who buy the game legally are treated like criminals, if I wait and download the cracked version on bit-torrent I won't have to deal with any of this *****. - Plopfish, on 10/10/2007, -1/+71I think it should be illegal to not let you remove files/programs from your computer without destroying the OS and all data.
- btgoss, on 10/10/2007, -4/+66The only sane comment here. Don't buy games with overly complex protection. End of Story.
- AndyVenus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+65Say I forget and just format my pc, or I can't access the pc to uninstall it because of any number of reasons. I am *****.
- merreborn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+59There'll be a crack for the activation process out by the end of the month, if not the end of the week. The only people this will hurt are legitimate users.
- hurt911gen, on 10/10/2007, -17/+75I cant believe 2kGames had the balls to pull this kind of *****.
- AnotherThought, on 10/10/2007, -0/+48In other news, Suprnova is back.
- Casedot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+48I'm still going to get a cracked version because you guys use securom. GTFO my computer.
- tonaros, on 11/14/2007, -3/+51My hard drive crashed recently. If I had had Bioshock installed, I wouldn't have been able to uninstall it.
- sh4rkb1t3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+49I was going to go out and buy the game today, but now I think that I'll just wait for it to be cracked so I can pirate it.
- zengonzo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+48I was somewhat skeptical about the severity of the issue until I skimmed through the 2K thread on the matter.
This is simply another solution which puts the burden solely on legitimate owners while pirates will be playing with a cracked, superior version. - Aadain, on 10/10/2007, -2/+45Actually, I can guarentee there will some increased piracy because of this measure. Someday, someone, somewhere will have their computer crash and go to reinstall all their games, only to find that they can't play BioShock anymore because they didn't uninstall their game before their computer was a smoking pile of circuits. Then they'll get the runaround and be treated like criminal by the powers that be when he calls in to get the situation fixed. After hours of no help, he'll pirate the game and never worry about this crap again.
Game companies: treat your customers like pirates, and they will start acting like pirates.
BTW, does this affect the Steam version? - JKVM, on 10/10/2007, -3/+43I preordered the game on Steam before I knew about this, or the fact that the game itself would crash rather than run... I tried installing on some of the other machines in my house in order to troubleshoot my crashing issues and ran into the activation limit. Unbelievable. I want my money back.
- enforcerpsu, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41And for the record...
Most people I know format their drives without uninstalling everything. I have one friend who formatted his computer 7 friggin times last year. He's a moron for doing so, but he did it anyway. So yes, it happens and yes this would screw him over.
Thanks for ruining this game, 2k. - JEWestbrookJR, on 10/10/2007, -3/+41Piraters have already defeated it http://www.isohunt.com/download/24700519/bioshock
- paul2, on 10/10/2007, -4/+41The people who are saying that it's ok because you can install it as many times as you want (as long as you uninstall) are ignoring the fact that hardware does in fact fail. You can't uninstall the game if the system doesn't boot.
- wrenchone, on 10/10/2007, -54/+91Read the whole article. You can install the game as much as you want, as long as you remember to uninstall it for reinstalling it. Doesn't seem that unreasonable.
- Radan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35Though, I don't know how they are going to handle this, but if it's anything like the protection system in iTunes, then I guess there wouldn't be any problems with unsubscribing the computers from an account on their webpage.
But either way, this is exactly where the anti piracy system fails. Everyone knows that this game, like all other games out there, will be cracked and pirated, which leads us the conclusion that everyone who wants to pirate this game, will pirate this game, and everyone who actually legally buys the game like good citizens, will get ***** over. Tell me again, why should I pay money for this game again. Protection systems are completely useless, they only makes it harder for the ones who actually buys the game. - JJ77, on 10/10/2007, -3/+36The problem is some people reformat/upgrade quite often. This totally screws those people over.
- lordsandwich, on 10/10/2007, -1/+33I can't believe they actually put Securom protection on the Steam version. One of the few things I liked about Steam was that it would install my purchased games as many times as I liked, since they have to authenticate to my account anyway. This is ***** ridiculous.
- monkeycatDx, on 10/10/2007, -11/+42Why do company's ***** the buyers :'..(
- HPCELarry, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33Another sony stunt? Its like that rootkit they did earlier, which you couldn't uninstall either.
- Akaji, on 10/10/2007, -18/+47Would people PLEASE, for the love of crap, RTFA BEFORE POSTING. Your kneejerk reactions just serve to fuel the stupidity of the masses.
- NnyCW, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29Again, in case of a hard drive crash, you don't have the option of uninstalling. When protection treats the purchaser as a theif and can be negatively impacted for supporting the product, while the theif never even has to worry about whatever protection it was, something is wrong.
Personally, I bought it off of Steam so I can re-download as many times as I want and install on as many different PC's as I want, long as I'm only online with one copy of BioShock under that name at a time. But this is a very bad system for those who bought the boxed version and there is no getting around that. - samdu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27For ***** SAKE why are you people defending this?!?!?
- unyuzyall, on 10/10/2007, -5/+31So, if, over time, your computer crashes and dies a couple of times, which means that you therefore can't uninstall it from the dead computer, you better hope that you can produce your proof of purchase, and spend the time on the phone to get to play a game you paid for? That sucks.
And, this also cuts off the re-sale of this game for PC gamers. Asswipes. - ayeroxor, on 10/10/2007, -4/+30No its still *****. What if you have a hardware failure, thus you are rendered unable to uninstall the application. There would be no uninstall registered and you'd be dicked. article dugg because 2K are install-nazis
- ToastPop, on 04/17/2009, -1/+27Out of curiosity, what if you buy the game through Steam? Steam usually lets you re-download and re-play the game whenever you like, did they change that for this game?
- peevegrider, on 10/10/2007, -3/+29No its still *****. What if you have a hardware failure, thus you are rendered unable to uninstall the application. There would be no uninstall registered and you'd be dicked. article dugg because 2K are install-nazis
- Kavok, on 10/10/2007, -3/+26Once I can get the same depth and control in a console game I will switch. Until then I will sit infront of my computer. :)
Certain games I really can't imagine playing on a console. Starcraft, Hearts of Iron 2, Civilization IV etc.. - Arramol, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22I might settle down slightly, but not much. This is still ludicrous. I don't want to feel like I'm going through airport security just to re-install a game!
- rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+241. It installs Securom Malware which cannot be uninstalled.
2. 2 HDD crashes and you lose the game you paid for.
Thanks , but no thanks... - gotamd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21I don't usually bother to uninstall software if I'm going to format the whole drive and start over anyway. Perhaps it would be ok if I had to do this with only one piece of software, but Bioshock is setting a dangerous precedent. If other software makers use similar systems, it will become unmanageable. It's a big PITA as it is.
- AndyVenus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21That, quite simply, is not good enough.
- GoatBn, on 10/10/2007, -5/+26@Gustomucho
Thanks for an official explanation. I have been waiting for 2k to respond...funny it was in a digg.
Now, I appreciate your right to thwart piracy. Here is the problem. Your attempt is really only throwing fuel on the fire. You are promoting piracy. The person who buys this game (and pays your salary) gets *****, while the person who downloaded the torrent gets total access, all the perks and didnt spend anything except a few clicks. *****, he probably even gets it faster than Steam can download it.
If you think this game is not going to be cracked? Your nuts. The more you try to prevent piracy, the more you make the hackers drool over a good challenge.
I personally know about 5 people who were going to buy this game retail. Now, they are already downloading the torrent. Please stop being so arrogant, and target the consumer who paid $$, not the pirate. - DocHoliday22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20This is a really stupid copy protection scheme. A lot of people don't plan PC formats, it's out of our hand when the PC screws up and you can't do anything on it. So two formats without uninstalling first and you have to call Securerom for a serial key? That's just messed up.
- combustion8, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24Glad I decided to hold off on this one.
- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21That's even assuming Securerom even exists 10 years from now when you might want to play it.
- gotamd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Wow... they even put that ***** on the Steam version. What the *****? Steam already has protections built into it. Thanks for the warning though. I'll be sure and not purchase Bioshock over Steam as I was planning to do.
- VeganG, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18And if that company goes out of business?
- ScionAltera, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19I don't usually reinstall my OS until my hard drive dies and I have to, or I want to upgrade to a new version, etc. So what happens when my computer blows up and I /can't/ uninstall the software? Do I have to call up SecuROM and somehow prove to them that my hardware failed and my machine is inoperable? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm gonna vote with my wallet and skip this game.
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