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- Wreckage, on 03/26/2009, -4/+92The reason WoW is so successful is because it caters to the "casual" gamer.
Granted those poor bastards (like me), eventually get sucked into a never ending quest. - GreatSunJester, on 03/26/2009, -1/+79WoW is pretty dumbed down nowadays.
<Sits back comfortably in a rocking chair>
In MY day, we had to actually hold the "w" key down and RUN from Freeport to Weynos! By gosh, if you died - and you died often - you restarted all the way back in the last town you bound in. Mounts..... teleporters.........you young whippersnappers have not a clue what a "hard-core" gaming experience was like.
Why, I can tell you stories that would make your customizable charcters features crawl! The boats... by gum... imagine standing on a pier for up to 30 minutes waiting for a boat! Now imagine the pier and the boat deck are 3 feet different in height! NOT IMAGINE you are playing a character that is only 3 feet tall.
<spits a sunflower seed shell into an empty Red Bull can>
Yup -- you have not played "hard-core" at all....... - TotalHalibut, on 03/26/2009, -0/+55WoW is probably the least hardcore MMO out there. Most of the complaints arising in the game right now result from the end-game content being too easy and too geared towards the casual player, so there is nothing for anyone who knows how to press buttons in the right order to do anymore.
- punkcat, on 03/26/2009, -2/+52it starts with posting your opinions on sites and thinking anyone cares.
- FasterGun, on 03/26/2009, -0/+45Oh come on, who do you think regularly reads forbes? Compared to Bejeweled and Dinner Dash yes, WoW is ***** confusing and hardcore. You think your mom knows how to maximize her stable dps by using mongoose potions and not by buying +crit at the ah? *****, mine can barely get around in firefox. Lets get off our high horses here.
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -1/+45King's Quest III on an Apple IIe emulator is for hardcore gamers.
- tcasey22, on 03/26/2009, -2/+39Stop reading Forbes.
- seraphisset, on 03/26/2009, -2/+38Wonder who they would think an MMO like EVE caters to?
- Swil, on 03/26/2009, -1/+26Uh, did anyone actually read the article?
It's in the context of getting people who would never touch a game like WoW (like, as they say, a lot of people whose first games were Wii ones) into playing something massively multiplayer. If you're talking about gamers who have only played Wii Golf and never played a game on a PC before, yes, Warcraft is very complex. And that's the only way Forbes describes it by the way, the only time they say "hardcore gamers" is when they're quoting Hutter.
The Forbes article is completely sensible, the reaction of Gossip Gamers is where you'll find the stupid. - KAJed82, on 03/26/2009, -2/+261 out of 17 comments will use incorrect grammar.
- bpwned, on 03/26/2009, -0/+23"EVE players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people." Everyone knows that.
Bonus points if you know who I'm quoting. - marshalkowski, on 03/26/2009, -4/+24It's spelled "decent."
- Kirizan, on 03/26/2009, -0/+18I'll digg you, even though it's Qeynos... ahh, back in the day...
- Crimsoneer, on 03/26/2009, -0/+17Holy crap, common sense.
- CornMuffin, on 03/26/2009, -0/+16I remember taking hours to find a group for a camp, and then having to run hours just to meet up with said group, only to have them disband. And then the mobs kill you. I hated SK and those stupid gnolls.
- maddskillz, on 03/26/2009, -1/+17I think skill level, yes, it is quite easy.
But if you want to be good you have to play a lot. I quit because if you want descent gear, you have to do raids that take hours to complete.
I am a casual gamer, and for me casual means I can go and play for 15 mins, then quit. You can't do this in WoW if you want to be half descent. - Griminald, on 03/26/2009, -0/+16Geez guys, put down your pitchforks.
It's clear by comparing WoW to Wii games that Forbes is using the word differently than we would. It draws a difference between WoW and Wii gaming. Compared to games on Wii -- "casual games" -- WoW is absolutely hardcore. And MMOs in general are too "hardcore" in this context for the majority of gamers.
For an MMORPG it's not hardcore. In the context of overall gaming, it absolutely is. - moose26, on 03/26/2009, -1/+17I remember when hitting lvl 60 was truly epic. Do it on a 2nd alt and you are a worshipped.
I remember saving up for that lvl 40 mount was a big deal. Getting your epic mount was major.
I remember when blue gear was the shiz,... and if you got epics.. were a demi-god.
.... and one of my personal favorites... when seeing Ragnaros for the first time in Molten Core.
Ragnaros: Too soon, you have awakened me to soon Executus! What is the meaning of this intrusion? - blogginginc, on 03/26/2009, -1/+17If by hardcorre they mean that you need to play lots of hours every day to be up-to-date, considering raids, dailies, gear, new character levellings and quests, yes, it is only for gamers who playing ***** tons of time.
- Twinked, on 03/26/2009, -0/+15Those were the days...
Remember having to sit to meditate your mana and stare into your spell book while doing it. They even gave us a game called /gems in an update because regening mana was the worst. - shaka999, on 03/26/2009, -0/+15I never really believed that.
Wow doesn't cater to the hard core but it also doesn't cater to a casual gamer. It really hits a midpoint I think.
Do you really think a "casual" gamer puts in the time WOW requires? - Intertron, on 03/26/2009, -3/+18WOTLK is too easy, not too hard. That's why every person I know quit.
- Bodhinature, on 03/26/2009, -0/+15I stopped playing WoW because after a certain level it became really impossible to play for less than 2 hours, minimum unless you wanted to grind for an hour killing boar. And I literally don't know one single casual player of WoW. In fact, anyone I know who still plays WoW I no longer speak to regularly because their friends are dark elves that live in a different state.
- gotflash, on 03/26/2009, -0/+14Hmm, interesting...
*Goes to WoW General Forums*
*Begins reading long complaint thread*
leetforbs: dood wtf y ths game so hard u hav to ply liek 2 hours a day and my warior dosnt even get a pet wtf this game sux - Charlotte_Web, on 03/26/2009, -0/+12"Hardcore" is a relative word.
To the Forbes crowd, any game that consumes all of your free time for months and years on end is classifiable as "hardcore". - LoneWolf01, on 03/26/2009, -2/+14In all honesty, my mother played WoW for a little while. It's not hardcore. At all.
- subliminalurge, on 03/26/2009, -3/+13"or being part of a casual guild that does raiding only once or twice a week or only small chunks at a time."
Even that is too much for a casual gamer. If I have to announce to my wife and family that "Next Saturday from 7:00 to 11:00 I'll be playing WoW", then it is no longer casual.
It may be possible to play WoW "casually" up until lvl 80, but after that there's no objectives that are attainable without devoting significant chunks of time to it.
Granted, WoW may not be hardcore in terms of skill required. But to excel at it requires devoting HUGE amounts of time to it, time that must be scheduled and coordinated with other people, leaving you feeling obligated to sit down and play at a certain time. This is requires a "hardcore gamer" mindset, and is not even mildly appealing to a casual gamer. - inactive, on 03/26/2009, -0/+9Exactly what I always said. WoW is ridiculously easy compared to older MMO's like the original EQ. ***** in EQ originally you didn't have any macro's or add-on's to help you. Not to mention when you did raid's they where 80+ man raids compared to the 40 tops in WoW.
- Orlandin, on 03/26/2009, -0/+9Waiting 20 minutes for the boat, since I always seemed to just miss it. Finally get on the boat. Then a lag spike drops you into water for a 45 minute swim to the Pots or Pier.
- moose26, on 03/26/2009, -1/+107 out of 10 Taurens will steal your bike.
- Yazilliclick, on 03/26/2009, -0/+9Accountants
- Brak710101, on 03/26/2009, -2/+10I wouldn't say hardcore, but I would say that it's pretty complicated for the average/casual user.
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Stop being so rational, you're spoiling the only fun career gamers get, slagging off the media for being out-of-touch as if it was still 1984.
- sinnet, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Next article: The NFL is much more hardcore than pick up touch football.
- FTLJohnson, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Forbes is for hardcore financial analysts.
- EnflamedDaemon, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Zero Punctuation FTW!
- Avaseal, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Depends what you're doing. Starting from level 1 and casually killing Striders in Mulgore (or boars in Elwynn Forest tee hee) can easily be adapted to so long as you read the tutorial/quest dialog. But if your friend asks you to jump on his computer and raid heal for him "real quick" on Heigan, Naxx-25..well then that's a different story.
- byronm, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8Which is a widely accepted definition. It may not be "Hard" as in hard to beat, but hardly any game is "hard" by that definition. Its "hardcore" because you have to dedicate so much time to the game.
I lvled up to 80 and did end game raiding and was well on my way to all the epics and one night while i was up till 3 in the morning waiting for a dragon to respawn so i could kill it for the mount it just occured to me how fun the game turned out not to be. Me, camping for some vanity item knowing full well there were dozens, if not hundreds of people camping for the same one in 3 day drop - it just felt unsettling.
THe next day i sold my account for 300 bucks and have been happily wow free ever since.
beautiful game environment and great story but the human side is severely lacking. Its not a game you play, its a lifestyle you commit to and too many people have made it their life and if you can't compete with them you can't compete in the game. - repomonkey, on 03/26/2009, -5/+13If by hardcore they mean tedious and somewhat anal number crunching - then I'd agree. I quit WoW over three years ago because of all that endless repitition of the same tedious quests that you need to do in order to get some drop or other. Microsoft Excel is more fun than WoW.
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -2/+9Well going on corpse runs and losing your gear permanently is certainly harder than anything in WoW.
And there was a raid in Planes of Power I believe where you had to kill two bosses simultaneously to summon the final boss. If they didn't die simultaneously, you were SOL.
Not saying it required more "skill" but I think that qualifies as being harder than anything WoW has to offer. - honeybrass, on 03/26/2009, -1/+8The internet is for porn
- mlvassallo, on 03/26/2009, -0/+7I wonder if anybody actually reads the articles on Digg anymore. I think they just react to titles and comments.
- Shazbuckle, on 03/26/2009, -0/+7It's not that people get lost in the game, they get lost in their guilds.
They are NOT your real friends!
Took me a while to realise I was spending more time with my wow friends than my real friends, only to realise that after 3 weeks out of wow I'd basically be forgotten.
Edit, wow TB, just recognised your nick. I used to be a big fan of WCRadio even months after I was finished with wow. WCRadio got me interested in digg btw ;) - acegi, on 03/26/2009, -1/+8easy to learn, takes forever to finish.
it's a wolf in sheep's skin. - paidhima, on 03/26/2009, -0/+7Oh jeez, don't start with that *****. Man, I remember getting lost in Butcherblock for an hour at a time trying to find my way to the dock.
Marathon sessions in Highkeep doing gobs, refusing to log out to sleep because it took me two hours to even get into the group (there was a list!).
Raiding NToV until the wee hours of the morning trying to clear out both wings and wiping multiple times on Lady Nev because the clerics kept falling asleep.
My guild's server-first Lord Seru kill at 6AM after having spent twelve hours clearing VT.
And, of course, patch day massacres before instanced zones when you could spot entire guilds sprinting from named mob to named mob, training other guilds, other people in their own guild, groups just doing XP, whatever.
Anyway, yeah. - cigawoot, on 03/26/2009, -2/+8From the viewpoint of people who rarely touch a computer, solitaire is probably a hardcore game as well.
- CornMuffin, on 03/26/2009, -2/+8I don't know about other MMOs, but EQ was definitly hardcore. WoW spoon feeds you info you need to know, and it gives you a map! Imagine a MAP! EQ just to find any bit of information on a quest took forever, that is if you bothered to do quests.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -0/+6More like 15 out of 17
- HanSolo69, on 03/26/2009, -0/+6There's nothing wrong with that statement, and the word "hardcore" is never used. WoW takes a lot of time and, if you put the time forward, can be really complex. It can be intimidating considering the amount of time you have to put into the game to get anywhere. I know, Forbes over all blows, but this time you're just sensationalizing.
- dave122, on 03/26/2009, -2/+8Get out, It will be the best thing you ever did, I'm over a year wow-free :)
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