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- jeevesatvic, on 09/25/2008, -1/+116You know who buys second-hand games EA? People couldn't afford to buy it new, but also don't want to pirate it. You know what they'll do now? They'll head on over to Pirate Bay and get a nice shiny DRM-free copy.
Spore is a piracy gateway drug. - Boofster, on 09/25/2008, -1/+59That's total BS. Just don't buy this game.
- shadoturtl, on 09/26/2008, -0/+44It's honestly disheartening that all these issues are taking away from the fact that this is really a pretty lousy game.
- RIPtechtv, on 09/26/2008, -0/+42The game wasnt even worth the hours it took to download.
- juzsp, on 09/25/2008, -5/+37All your base are belong to us!
- smacksaw, on 09/26/2008, -1/+20The problem is that in a company the size of EA, decisions are made at a level so high that the entire process is detached from reality. The consumers have no say. I'll bet you there were tons of EA employees who said this was a bad idea.
EA just gets bigger and bigger, yet worse and worse. It's all so sterile...connected and recycled in a bad way. - Bean888, on 09/25/2008, -2/+21The used-market; you won't be pirating but EA doesn't make money off the used-game sale either (it's the same reason record labels hate used-record stores).
- cawpin, on 09/25/2008, -0/+17FTA - "Rightsholders are increasingly using 'contracts' (EULAs and TOS) to end-run the traditional limits imposed by copyright—such as first sale, fair use, reverse engineering, etc."
Yeah, and that is illegal. A EULA or TOS Agreement can't deny your rights or violate the law. They are violating your right to sell something you've bought as a functional device. It'd be like GM saying that you can't activate OnStar on your vehicle unless you have the previous owners information.
EA is going to get the short stick this time I think. - headband, on 09/26/2008, -0/+16but the person who sells the game now has more free money to buy another game with
- jeevesatvic, on 09/25/2008, -0/+15True, they won't make any money off them for the second hand sale of Spore. But they won't make any money off them ever if the person decides it's easier just to pirate.
I know that as a student I would often buy games second hand, but once I left college and got a job, suddenly buying new looked a whole lot more feasible. - mathcreative, on 09/25/2008, -0/+14You know I never would have thought that would have been the reason for DRM. Interesting!
- tavisjohn, on 09/26/2008, -0/+14I have games I purchased 20 years ago that (Thanks to apps like ScummVM and DosBox) I still play today! I have installed every single game in my archive more than 5 times each. Most of the games are not even listed on the publishers websites anymore they are soo old. Some of them are soo old that their "Copy Protection" does not work under new operating systems, so I have had to search for cracks for them so I can play my legit games,
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 09/26/2008, -0/+13I think, as CONSUMERS, we will decide what we want to play, what we want to buy, how much we are willing to pay for it, and how much intrusive corporatism we will put up with. In the case of Spore, we, the consumers, have determined collectively that EA can ***** OFF.
We look forward to evaluating your next entertainment offerings and hope it does a better job of addressing our needs.
Sincerely,
Gamers (not criminals) - Knowitallism, on 09/26/2008, -0/+10They make so much cash I doubt they give a ***** about spore, will wright is prob most disappointed with how it turned out..next to us
- Ajajadude, on 09/26/2008, -0/+10I'm not dirty, I just took a shower.
EA is shooting themselves in the foot...over and over agains. - spankaccount, on 09/26/2008, -0/+8DRM only puts limits on the GOOD guys, EA.. Shame on you!
- sirbeta, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7It's *only* for reselling the game. Limited installs specifically targets people who legally bought the game. Pirates will have used a crack that made activation irrelevant.
- enantiodromia, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7you realize that what EA is doing causes more thievery, as they make it impossible to buy from your friends when they are done with it, right?
- Moegopher, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7I may be a thief, but am no hippie!
- HolyMan28, on 09/25/2008, -2/+9I could care less. This doesn't stop piracy. I can torrent it as many times as I'd like.
- Azerael, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6You actually believed it was to 'stop piracy'?
- DforSpiD, on 09/26/2008, -1/+7Way to generalize!
Guess what... I only ever pirated games that I either legitimately could not afford (because I was in high school...) or I can't find to legitimately purchase (because the games are no longer being sold commercially, and I am therefore NOT impacting on their profits)
I have also never pirated a game made by EA...
Now what would EA sue me for? - chemosapien, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6sad but true, i think he must be crying himself to sleep at night
- enantiodromia, on 09/26/2008, -2/+7so if you could care less, then you do care some?
- chemosapien, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5i second that motion
- jonesin, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6I'm not a consumer. I'm a customer.
- degree, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5That is the first EA related conspiracy theory that I've ever heard.
- KloroFormd, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4I didn't.
*continues seeding* - Nerys, on 09/26/2008, -1/+5Thats the point. Not only do I save money but I can purchase a game without support a company I do not like. THAT is my right.
What we need is "cracks" that allow us to "alter" the EULA in a game. Crazy mods will never pass muster in court but a sensible mod might such as removing the prohibition against cracking the DRM for personal use only such as removing things that prevent me selling my property. etc..
I mean they were able to word the EULA with zero input from me right? so I will just modify it without input from them.
SO get working hackers. - serendipitously, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3...to have a legitimate resale market on your product I think reflects well on your product.
Its very shortsighted to discourage the secondary market. In fact responsible manufacturers tend to want to encourage secondary markets of their products and try to be friendly in this regard.
They should treat consumers well in this regard. They get crappy service from the electronics arts software they buy and they wont want to buy it anymore. Just putting short term sales ahead of your reputation isn't smart to me. - Narishma, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3Well as far as EA (and the other publishers) is concerned, used sales aren't any different than piracy since they don't get any money from them.
- Gromit, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3I received Spore for my birthday. I wasn't that far into it before I was thinking, "Maybe I can sell this to someone?".
I guess not.
Never mind the DRM and the way EA treats their customers like criminals.... it's just not a good game. - serendipitously, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3I think indirectly they do make money off the second hand sales. The value of something I think is determined partly by the value for which it can be resold. I think over the long run they are shooting themselves in the foot by being greedy and trying to argue you can't in effect re-sell out product. Other people just wouldn't try it. Do you think a car manufacturer would do it? A car has intellectual property in it and the IP in a car is much more valuable than a car itself. Do you think they would try to say you can't re-sell the car. I think consumers should tell them to take a long walk off a short pier. Same with books, cars and every other kind of product. There is intellectual property that is bound with it and a kind of licence to use the IP. (impliedly) bound up with the physical product you buy. It has always been understood you re-sell it and the licence that goes along with it.
Microsoft comes along and says the OEM has to be removed before you re-sell it. OEM are installed components of the device. What if a car manufacturer put conditions on the sale of the OEM components of the car like the lights. - da_bradler, on 09/26/2008, -1/+4the war on Piracy is no longer about peer2peer, companies are pretty much given up on that due to some key court decisions. what copy protection is all about now is to stop causal piracy, like loaning your game to someone else. Stopping you from sharing your license of the software is the name of the game.
They don't want you playing the game for a month then giving the game to your brother then he gives to his friend, etc, etc. I don't really agree with that, but this has been the business plan for a while and i doubt this spore blowup is going to change anything since 95% of new PC games already have these same limitations. - Philbert, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Oops you're right. I've still got 12 on my mind because I've finally got some time away from work to play it.
- ATLien74, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Spore was the biggest video game disappointment of the year.
- BitKid, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3This is why I only play games that come out on Steam or old-skool games that I can play in an emulator.
- f821, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2I third, the game looked like a masterpiece when Robin Williams played it, then EA went and dumbed it down to aim it at The Sims players.
Whatever they have to do to sell a few more expansion packs... - craighoxton, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2"EA doesn't care about Video Game people"
- Fabbyfubz, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Since when did (mostly?) computer geeks like us become hippies?
- da_bradler, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2technically when you install software, when you click that 'I agree' part, that is the most important. You didn't buy the software, you bought that little license that pops up. the fact that the program is on the disc is simply a matter of convenience. you don't own the software or the code so you are not permitted to distribute it.
is what i would say if I were a software lawyer. - TheHayze, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2I actually bought it. I in fact pre-ordered it on Newegg; arrived a day or two early. In a double whammy to me, EA decided that SecureROM was a good idea, and locked me out as Admin to MY BOX. So now, it's sitting on my shelf, with 1 install. I was thinking of taking a picture, and slapping it on craigslist.
- davewelsh79, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Use a virtual CD emulator like Daemon Tools so that you don't have to burn an acutall CD. You can just mount the .iso.
- Ryosen, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Kinda makes you wonder if EA just owns stock in The Pirate Bay.
- TheHayze, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2You know, at first I defended the game. Then I defended its' DRM nonsense, because no one else was. But now, this is rediculous! I cant sell my copy of Spore once I get tired of it? What ***** is this? I have rights as a consumer, EA! I reserve the right to play any game I bought for as long as I like. I also reserve the right to sell said game whenever I want, easily, and for whatever price I deem fair. This makes it extremely difficult for me to resell my game once I get tired of it.
- Sirlolalot, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2I got caught out the same way with a 2nd hand copy of Battlefield 2142. thankfully the seller provided account details to play the game, but EA wouldnt let me change the e-mail adress of the account :/
If Console games were disposable, there would be an uproar. PC gamers get a raw deal! - davewelsh79, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1http://www.incompetech.com/Images/caring.png
- jayjr, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1FFXI, aka 11
- DigitalQuartz, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1I don't buy it. If they wanted to stop making PC games, they'd just stop making PC games. There's no laws that require EA to release games for the PC. They didn't release Mass Effect for the PC until ages after it was released on the 360.
- MacParrot, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1As a purchaser of software, you DO have the right to assume that some software that you have purchased legally will not do harm to your system. If SecureROM has damaged your system then you do have a legitimate complaint and should be allowed legally, to receive a refund for your purchase. If refused, then I would seek legal advice to take it to the next step.
I support the rights of content creators to have passive ways to prevent illegitimate copies of their content from being put out there. Where that right ends is when those methods can potentially damage the systems of otherwise law abiding purchasers. Let's face it, no DRM is uncrackable and some of the methods that have been used were mostly to make it as difficult as possible for that less than 1% who will go to any means to get it for nothing. You'll never win them as customers so why even bother trying to stop them at the expense of the other 99%? -
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