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- refreshers, on 10/10/2007, -7/+189Yay for limiting the consumers right while pirates get to play it hassle free. Its like 2KGames is sending a message to us....
- rebelphoenix, on 10/10/2007, -6/+145This DRM issue is a nightmare, the demo actually came with a rootkit labled "SecuROM"
- directsun, on 10/10/2007, -4/+128It seems 2K is in violation of their own User End Agreement.
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6615
Originally Posted by Kursa View Post
I was able to return my copy of Bioshock to Gamestop today. Sorry, I just couldnt deal with the crap associated with it right now. Maybe a few months down the road, I'll rebuy a copy.
Anyways, if you are one of those who wishes to return it for actual money of how you paid for it for whatever reasons (securom/2k screwed you with the crappy no valid installation, unbearable crashes, .exe wouldn't start up, etc), you can tell them the following:
By law and according to 2K EULA agreement you agree to the terms and conditions regarding the installation of the product.
Under these set of rules, it is perfectly legal to uninstall the said product and reinstall it on another machine that is owned by the buyer of the product. Typically, one needs multiple products to install on multiple systems but one only needs one product and if he or she wished to uninstall the product, the consumer has every right to reinstall it onto another machine that is owned by him or her.....indefinetely.
Securom, hinges on your rights as the buyer. Securom, in general, does not; however, the practice of allowing only two installs do hinge on the right. It is the same as buying a Ford Mustang. True, you cannot advertise your Ford Mustang on TV to make profit as you would violate their buyers contract. HOWEVER, if you fully bought that Ford Mustang, it is yours until you deem fit to get rid of it. Ford cannot limit your driving or years of ownership if fully paid by you.
With your rights as a consumer both by US Consumer standards and by the very EULA contract on page 34 of Bioshock manual, 2K are in violation of their own contractual agreement with the buyer.
I'm not talking about the game being crappy for you to give the game back. Im talking about the violations that has occured under securom. Now, if 2K were to altar Securom so that you still need the DVD to play but allows you to receive unlimited installs, then their contract to you will be fulfilled.
But, right now, 2K is in violation of their User End Agreement.
Trust me when I say this. I graduated from Regent Law School in Virginia Beach, Va in 2006 and I received my license in Oklahoma after passing my Bar Exam in Feb. of 2007.
Explaining those violations will give you your refund back by the store you bought it from (with a receipt) or by 2K actual company.
Good luck.
**this post was locked by Elizabeth2K yesterday but I felt that every consumer had the right to know this; whether you love the company or was indifferent about it. - frsrblch, on 10/10/2007, -3/+105This is an amazing game, but it sickens me to see stuff like this put into a game. If I had known about the SecuROM in the demo (the DEMO for Christ's sake!) I would have waited the extra day to play it. And aren't rootkits illegal to being with?
They can either remove the copy protection from the game, or the pirates will. If the pirates do it (and they will... they always do), then the illegal copies of the game will actually be better than the actual $50 version. - Senn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+80They've lost a sale from me. Because of piracy? Nope, because of how they try to fight it. ***** DRM.
- xerus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+79Yay! To try and stop criminals, game companies decide to treat ALL their customers like criminals!
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+66The message: USE PIRATED VERSION IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW UP YOUR WINDOWS OR IF YOU WANT TO RUN IN WINE
- ingoldsby, on 10/10/2007, -2/+63Steam isn't the DRM people are talking about. They are talking about Securom which comes with the boxed version of the game. I love the fact that I have games registered to my steam account.. the other day I decided to play HL2 again (it's been a long time) and I don't have my boxes anymore - well I just opened up my steam account and it knew I owned the game and downloaded/installed it for me with no questions asked. Maybe it's just me but I actually -like- that (and no, I don't work for Valve).
- h4mx0r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+54AVG anti-virus went crazy on me the moment the bioshock demo was unzipped. Trojans galore it said. SecuROM blows says I.
- icsbase, on 10/10/2007, -6/+55I was actually thinking of buying Bioshock but because of this mess, i wont. It might be me who cant play the game that i want to. Who actually uninstalls games if they format their pc? No one. Btw, EULA can't walk over the country law. Atleast thats the case here in Finland. If you have a faulty product, you are entitled to get a working one or get your money back.
- str3ama, on 10/10/2007, -2/+47 I do wish they would go with something that doesn't leave 'residue' on my computer however...
- ZippyV, on 10/10/2007, -1/+46How stupid can they be to 'protect' their demo. Against what? Illegal copying?
That reminds me of Digital Extremes and their demo of Pariah, you could only use it for 999 days. - saguratus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+43I'd wage to say you didn't look into SecuRom 10, as part of it is a rootkit which is installed silently to hide relevant processes and deter disassembly.
- treas, on 10/10/2007, -2/+45The STEAM version is 10 times better, as they released an update last night that allows BioShock to be played on any computer. The only restriction is that BioShock can only have one instance open at a time, but that really shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -3/+44my favorite comment on that thread:
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.............................. - rebelphoenix, on 10/10/2007, -3/+42http://www.pcgamer.com/ has a very interesting blog called "DRMShock"
- drachemorder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+34I'm with you. I was thinking about buying it, but now I definitely will not until this DRM garbage is removed.
- lpmiller, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31all this kind of protection does is prevent joe blow from giving his disc to his buddy. Why do publishers/devs still think this is a source of piracy? This has nothing to do with piracy, and all DRM protection is doing is pissing of customers. You might as well just do CD keys, it's easier, accepted, and less hassle. Stop trying to stop consumers from sharing your product like they would a book, and then maybe you can actually come up with effective ways to deal with pirates. Because this ain't doing dick.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31Apparently they don't read it either
- raiderj, on 10/10/2007, -2/+28I don't even like having to have a disc in the drive in order to play - thusly I'll just get a no-CD crack for just about every game I play. There is no reason with over 300GB of space on my "small" machine that I need to play disc jockey in order for my games to work.
With this game, even the demo installs a rootkit? I'm glad I found that out before I downloaded it. No way I'm going to intentionally install something like that. That would be just as dumb as opening that email attachment flagged as a virus. No thanks.
So, if I decide to play this game, it certainly won't be the retail version. With pirated copies available sans rootkits, the choice is pretty obvious. - h4mx0r, on 10/10/2007, -2/+28as well as AVG going crazy over trojan alerts with bioshock's DRM.
- AzraDarkness, on 10/10/2007, -5/+30Ill wait for the torrent version that has the rootkit stripped out.. :D
- directsun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+25demo and full version have it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM - glutamate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Wow! I didn't know consoles could post comments!
- LucianSolaris, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23ADVOCATING THIS FORM OF DISOBEDIENCE ONLY BECAUSE IT COMES WITH CRAPPY SECUROM!
Tell the developers to shove BioShock up their asses, DO NOT BUY IT!
Pirate this version and crack SecuROM out of it before installing. If they see massive $$$ loss maybe they'll wake up (or the may do a Microsoft and make it worse, then die. Microsoft isn't dead purely because of its market share's sheer size) - sinrtb, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Just because you agree to something in an EULA doesnt give the company to violate your rights or the law of the land. Placing a virus on your computer is illegal.
- xenovis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22The worst part about this, people who have corrupted hard drives, or rebuild machines without uninstalling Bioshock are stuck within a cycle of having to call Securom and 2k. Meanwhile the NoCD crack for Bioshock disables the DRM so the only people not affected by the DRM issues are the Pirates. Good work 2k and Securom for complete lack of understanding the issue. If something is popular enough it will be cracked, and just like the woes of the music industry DRM only hurts the customers that won't Pirate your art.
- holysocks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22I don't think SecuROM and other similar crap has ever done any good to games
- ryodoan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+25I second ingoldsby, this is completely different from steam and HL2. While yes, HL2 requires steam if you legally purchase it, steam is one of the least restrictive versions of DRM that exists.
What other type of DRM not only allows you to install the copy of your game, automatically downloads updates, allows you to track when your friends are playing and finally allows you to download the game as many times as you like, no questions asked? The only reason to not like it is if you want to steal the game... Yes, torrenting is stealing.
// ps, if this comment is posted twice its because diggs post system just freaked out on me. - mythicflux, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Except that there is a question about the legal enforceability of EULA. Simply, just because the EULA has terms you agree to does not mean that those terms can violate existing laws.
- reed311, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18I just wish they'd bring back the 100 page manuals and the copy protection consisted of them asking you what word is on page 95, paragraph 3, line 16. Oh boy, was that even more annoying than anything they have today.
- VeganG, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18SecureROM *is* Sony. Surprise, surprise.
- zeroomegazx, on 10/10/2007, -9/+26please remove this CRAP so i can test the game on my 4 pc's and see which one runs it the best...... like any other game out there......
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Wait. What?
I want to say RTFA....but all you had to do is read the ***** article TITLE.
1. This has NOTHING to do with the game or gameplay itself.
2. This kind of issue is NOT "little".
3. No one could have seen this coming.
Buried a having no clue whatsoever. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Yeah, it's much easier when the DRM is implemented straight in the hard-ware. Hoeray for the XBox.
Dumbass. That's actually worse.
You can't copy your dvd (legall), you have no backup. If you scratch the disc, you're *****.
Yes, I know you can hack your xbox to make it work. Like you can wait for the pirated version to play on the PC. But both are workarounds. I choose not to pay unless they start treating me human again.
Only humans can break the law. If they don't treat as humans, then that's how we're gonna play it. And ***** the XBox.
Since the XBox is just specific hardware + specific windows os, maybe the wine-developpers can create an xbox-emu.
0 dollars for MS all the way. - sctwp09, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21Wageslaven is the biggest pro-microsoft/pro RIAA-MPAA troll on Digg. He's worse than 7of7, JasonCox, and estvir combined, so it's best not to feed him.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20if you have a valid windows key, you can use it as many times as you want.
- frsrblch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17I like this system too. Disks can be scratched, but even then the game is only a (legal) download away. Once you've registered the game, you can download and play it with your Steam account on any computer (as far as I'm aware).
- garewortel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18Steam wasnt enough a reason to pirate HL2 though. In fact, Steam was great for shifting games on my account around on my different pc's without any hassle. At least Valve wasnt treating its customers like criminals, Steam was their way of increasing profits. And i'd gladly support a developer like Valve.
- aelder, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18If you read the forums, or the blog posted by PC Gamer about this, you would understand that uninstalling correctly does not work. RTFA.
- patm1987, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17It is my understanding that it's commonplace to put copyprotection in demo's to prevent the creation of modified binaries for the full version without said protection. Not that it actually works in practice, I suppose it would delay it a bit. Plus, it makes me happy to know that my fresh install of windows has a pretty rootkit.
- ThndrShk2k, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18People like him get to play Bioshock hassle free
see a connection? - zeroomegazx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16screw off man we cant install it more than TWICE even on the same pc. stop making yourself look like a retard and read before you comment
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Wow, ok, I can live with DRM, I can even live with having to activate on every install, but a ROOTKIT?! You know what I did when Sony pulled this crap, I stopped buying Sony CDs and products. So yeah, take that game and shove it up your ass because I'm certainly not buying it now.
- renegadeafk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16I actually really like steam, it has an acceptable level of DRM, without going WAY overboard like secuROM, steam is relatively convenient and I can download all my games no matter what PC I'm on.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Or use the pirated version. That'll show them
- aelder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14This issue goes beyond Bioshock though, I don't want to start thinking about my new games installing rootkits that I can't remove easily.
If the message is sent now, maybe publishers will think again before this happens to another game. - Typhoon2009, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
"No" says the man in 2K Games, "it belongs to SecuROM." - Kyrgizion, on 10/10/2007, -29/+42I'm gonna do what I did with HL2: pirate it.
If they ever offer a version free of all that crap or HL2 without steam, I'll gladly put my money down. - TalkingBanana, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17Draconian, dude
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