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- jseres, on 10/10/2007, -4/+36People who say who cares are undoubtedly the most ignorant people on the face of the planet. The Tour de France is the 3rd most watched sporting event, behind the Olympics and the World Cup. How about I say, "Who gives a ***** about the super bowl". There is more logic behind this previous statement than behind the one that that dumb ***** IrishLuck80 said.
- jenkman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+34Why are baseball player, football players, bodybuidlers etc still doping? At least the cycling organizers and teams are doing something about it.
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22But how many didn't get caught?
- UrbanVoyeur, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Lance didn't chase Simeoni down because he implicated one his team's docs. Lance chased him down because he had been repeatedly smeared and insulted in the press by Simeoni. Teaching a breakaway lesson is the cycling equivalent of a suing for libel.
/buried as inaccurate. - EochaidRiata, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13The 15 million who attended this race and over 1 billion who viewed it on television care.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/07/07/cmbike07.xml
But don't worry, no one is taking your nascars away. - galanz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Actually it's the MOST watched annual sporting event.
- CowDefender, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9This has been a frustrating year of the tour.
I found Alex Vino's performance inspiring, getting busted open and receiving 60 stitches, hurting for the next few days and being counted out before delivering a beautiful ride on the first time trial. Then hurting so much the next day that there was no way he could win the tour. Then the next day he won the stage, even though he could no longer win the tour. I thought it was the stuff of legends. But instead it was enabled by blood doping.
So all of Team Astana left (poor Kloden).
And I'd been rooting for Rasmussen after the time trial. A guy that normally rules the mountains had a decent enough performance on the time trial to be a real contender to win the tour. I don't even know if he cheated. If he didn't cheat then the rightful winner of the tour was taken out for suspicion.
Very frustrating. - Niten, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11jenkman is right. The reason cyclist doping is in the news so much is that when these guys do decide to use illegal substances, it's not long before they're caught and thrown out. But imagine what the sports headlines would look like were the NFL to test for drugs as rigorously as the UCI does.
- djironx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9The author of this article makes it seem like Rasmussen was kicked out of the tour because he was doping. "several prominent cyclists have withdrawn for anti-doping violations, among them the race-leading Michael Rasmussen." Are you kidding me, firstly his team fired him, he didn't withdraw himself. Secondly, his team fired him because he lied about were he was in June, Italy instead of the said Mexico. Now he did miss two doping tests also, but he is innocent until caught, remember that. I don't know why the author decided to generalize Rasmussen as a doper, because he hasn't been caught for doping at all. They take urine samples after every stage of the tour and Rasmussen passed all of them. The author needs not generalize Rasmussen, he needs to get his facts straight.
- thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Even if you don't care about cycling, of you're a sports fan you should care. And as a matter of fact, a lot of people DO care. So far at least 49 people care.
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5They do. That's why they store samples for future analysis. When the technology improves, those old samples get tested again.
- bartpieters, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5In addition on djironx: the team's director claims he lied about being in Mexico, Rasmussen himself still claims he was there and that the one eye report putting him in Italy is mistaken.
At any rate all through his cycling career Rasmussen has never been caught on doping and his blood values shown no irregularities. So the writer of this article wrongfully claims Rasmussen was withdrawn because of anti-doping violations. - EochaidRiata, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Also you should note there there is no proof yet he was in Italy last month. He still claims he was in Mexico and a single reporter claims to have seen him training in Italy. Certainly passport, ticket and credit card evidence will decide this one way or the other shortly.
- salinemist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You have some evidence to back up your claims? Otherwise you can go choke on your sour grapes.
On the climb to Plateau de Beille Rasmussen and Contador broke the record of Armstrong & Basso in 2004 by 1:35. - Kosterfield, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8They dope because they know they can't make it any other way. They have nothing to lose by doping, if they get away with it they might have just won the Tour de France.
- Kypt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I'm sorry man but the US is not everyone...
- Alegis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I disagree with you in that they do have something to lose - their careers ends with a fine, while still being able to perform adequately otherwise.
There is a huge pressure on these cyclists with expectations from their country. Either they buckle under it, or fancy taking the risk of being closer to victory. It will always be a race between the dopers and the tests.
It's a shame the other sports aren't as adamant in their tests. - bugsy187, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5If you don't care, why did you click on the story? Why did you take the time to post a comment?
- insanebrain, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If you don't know how to use your brains. . then please log off
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Just because its not american doesn't mean it doesn't exist you stupid prat.
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah that would be great. We would get to watch competitors collapse and die from their thick blood (it's already happened). What a great sight!!
- pipipie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5They do it because they know they are ahead of the curve in the technology of the drugs. They tend to use the more newer state of the art drugs than last years model. The ones who get caught usually are the ones that aren't ahead of the technology curve in that area. Instead of looking at the problem of the current drugs, they should be looking for the drugs that aren't detectable yet...
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The fact that Rasmussen hasn't produced any evidence yet is pointing me to his guilt. Should have been easy to produce a ticket stub or passport stamp.
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why doesn't he produce some evidence then? A passport stamp at least. Seems suspicious to me.
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Exactly. You piss off the father of the tour... you pay your price.
- prullos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2rasmussen wasnt pitched on use of doping. He was pitched because he allegedly was in italy instead of mexico, where he said he was. This was based on a statement of some other cyclist, who said he saw him in italy. Rasmussen denied being in italy, and his family (he has a mexican wife) confirm he was in mexico at the time.
- jmchez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31:35, Yikes! You just don't demolish a record and not expect people to get suspicious. Look at McGwire and Bonds.
- wbrooks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Vino tested positive for having someone else's blood in his system. It's not easy to take the amount time off required that draining so much blood from your system would require.
FYI... Lance used to sleep in an oxygen deprivation tent during training to increase his red blood cell count. Sorta like sleeping at high altitude without actually having to be at altitude. - antimac, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Then, why does he refuse to show his plane tickets or something else (passport stamps) to prove that he was in Mexico and not in Italy. This issue is really simple to solve for him to save his career but he refuses since he obvious has something to hide.
- djironx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Every single rider in the tour gets Urine tested for steroids after each stage. If it comes up positive they get kicked out. the only people kicked out this year have been Vino, for blood doping, and another guy for steroids. So only One person has taken steroids in this years tour.
- in2deep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because they want to be competitive and have a chance to win!
- tony4moroney, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1ha! amerika!
- technonerd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, the blood they use is not their own. That's why it was possible to detect that Alex Vinokourov had a transfusion. Currently, there is no technology that can tell if you've given yourself your own blood. The reason they don't give themselves their own blood is because doing so would harm their training, possibly cancelling out the effects of the blood transfusion.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because they want to win.
Duh. - evilregis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Because they don't get caught more than they do get caught. So the odds are in their favour to keep on doping which allows them to stay on their team, to keep their sponsorships and other such things important to them.
- bugsy187, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Do you have something against French people? Are you fishing for some sort of conspiracy in a bicycle race?
- CowDefender, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What? dstz was saying Armstrong was using. salinemist says that Contador broke Armstrong's record by 1:35 (which is quite something).
There are no allegations against Contador. There was nothing confirmed against Armstrong.
Is jmchez claiming Contador is using? - lavoie0ca, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thats right, they use their own blood. Blood doping is not dangerous, its done by some of the best sports doctors in the world. Collected blood is always screened properly, at least since 1987.
- tcquad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Asking why some cyclists are still doping is equivalent to asking why some alcoholics are still drinking after a DUI.
Yeah, there are consequences. But they've done it for so long, it's the only way they know how to get by. - jmchez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sadly, enough people don't care that it allows him to get away with it. I want the "Roger Maris asterisk" to be attached to the stats of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds in perpetuity.
- salinemist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm not throwing suspicions on Contador, the man is obviously a talent and more of a climber than a TT'er. Go look at Rasmussen's palmares for this year and then scratch your chin in disbelief at his performance in the Tour.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Which is how people like Ulrich and other front runners were caught and thrown out.
- md81544, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sleeping in an "oxygen tent" (actually it's a hyperbaric tent) is simply like spending time at high altitude. The practise is not against the rules, and I can't see a problem with it... it's equivalent to taking a holiday in, say, Bogotá and acclimatising there before competing.
- djironx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1what are you saying he's guilty of? Doping or just lying about his whereabouts? Because if your saying its doping, read the posts above you to get the real story. If your just talking about his lying about were he was at, how is that bad for cycling?
- elephen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Besides, it's not just the corrupt managers, doctors, and riders who encourage doping: it's the very structure of the sport itself."
That is the most ignorant comment I think I have ever heard regarding the sport of cycling, obviously stated by someone who does not follow or know much about it. - djironx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah I forgot that there was only one guy who reportedly saw him in Italy. I'm still not sure how the investigation is going to go yet. I haven't heard anything about Rasmussen appealing it or anything. Guess we should wait and see.
- pixelguru, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm still holding out for an "all-drug" Tour De France... something similar to this SNL skit would be acceptable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCGYtFAQ2U - samboski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What would a plane ticket or passport stamp prove for Rasmussen? All it would show is that he flew to Mexico, not prove that he stayed there. Same thing with the passport stamp - it would only show that he entered Mexico, not that he stayed there. It's the team that could prove he was in Italy by uncovering a plane ticket from Mexico to Italy. One man's story that he saw Rasmussen in Italy should not be enough to remove the yellow jersey holder from the Tour de France. If he was really in Italy, more people would have seen him and there would be some hard proof he was there.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2They also blatantly cheat in ways that won't get them banned as well.
Sleeping in oxygen tents and getting regular blood transfusions to increase the number of oxygen carrying red blood cells is a common practice and should really be outlawed as well, but ALL of the top guys do this! - bosks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Srsly, lets take this opportunity to re-iterate for the people who just like the satisfaction of writing a post on a website and having people read their finger-taps, *ahem*:
A NEWS AGGREGATOR SITE SUCH AS THIS, WHICH LINKS TO ALL TYPES OF ARTICLES AND NEAT LITTLE ENTERTAINING THINGS *WILL* POST LINKS TO SOURCES IN ALL DIFFERENT AREAS OF INTEREST AND SUBJECTS. NOT ALL THE ARTICLES *SHOULD* INTEREST YOU, JUST MOVE ALONG TO THE ONES THAT DO.
P.S.: Do you call the newspaper each day to edit their columns for them? "This is boring, I don't like it..." - "Who gives a *****?", "No one needs to know about that..." -
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