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- SalmonGod, on 05/31/2009, -6/+128Why should millions of dollars be collected from financially stressed students to support an unproductive activity that only a few dozen people participate in?
I'm still pissed off at how much money the city of Indianapolis took from its people to build the Lucas Oil Stadium... which is ugly as sin, btw... so wasteful... and was I ever asked if I wanted to pay for the thing? - kaosethema, on 05/31/2009, -19/+94in 1988,
my english teacher drove a 1971 AMC Ambassador
my science teacher waited for his wife to come pick him up
my history teacher commuted an hour and a half to work every morn.
my gym teacher drove a 1987 BMW - chasemassey, on 05/31/2009, -4/+63Students should not have to pick up the tab for college athletic programs. I'm all for good football game, but if the team can't support itself with tickets, merchandise, bake sales etc, then maybe its time to let the program go.
Plus, college tuition is absurdly high. Thank tfsm for my joint enrollment classes in high school/hope scholarship. - anonymousmedic, on 05/31/2009, -3/+56What's annoying is why are we, as students, paying stipends to the athletics department in the form of increased tuition to support the few people who go to college on sports scholarships.
It's not like a lot of these people have potential anyway. There are literal geniuses being forced to slave away at McDonalds while literal tards who can't even perform basic math are being paid to set on their ass at college and play basketball. - dakdak900, on 05/31/2009, -2/+47Why do we (students) have to fund any of the athletics? Do they make me a better student, do they add to my post grad earning potential? NO F them, I'll buy tickets if we do well or I need a place to get drunk publicly but otherwise no thanks
- PxCxG, on 05/31/2009, -9/+46Title needs an adjustment:
"Student's to College Athletic Departments: We're Not Paying For Women's Lacrosse"
There you go... - Firesky09, on 05/31/2009, -10/+45Athletes need to fund their own *****. Most all athletic programs are run by ***** who are selfish. If you want to see student fees paying for your ***** athletic activities and your scholarships (yeah, let me pay more money so some jerk off doesn't have to pay anything and get a free ride through college...), then you better open up your facilities for students to use for free. Right now, students can't use the weight rooms those athletics get (the students get stuck with ***** "field houses" that are really places for the athletic departments to throw away their old equipment), and don't have access to the many other facilities and perks athletes at colleges get.
If you can't support your programs, STFU and pay like everyone else at your ***** college. If you can't pay, then GTFO and quit asking people who are already financially strapped to pay for your *****. - navidb, on 05/31/2009, -5/+39As a canadian, looking at your tuition prices, that is insane! Way too high folks
- ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -1/+34Dugg for truth. My gf worked as a tutor for the football players. She got in trouble for them failing the lowest level math class at the university (Math 101). She tried to explain that it wasn't her fault--the football players never came to their prepaid tutoring sessions.
- darknecross, on 05/31/2009, -2/+35When you get down to it, Universities shouldn't be about sports, period. They're educational institutions, not athletic ones.
That said, it's easy to see the problem when trying to separate school and sports. - Seanathan, on 05/31/2009, -0/+32And if the person that you don't support wins, you're ***** anyway and still have to pay for something you don't support.
Awesome system is awesome.
/s - MisterRik, on 05/31/2009, -1/+31And everyone else at the college should have paid for you to experience these life lessons because....?
- hackiavelli, on 05/31/2009, -0/+28I imagine most people who are aiming for a career above burger flipper will learn more in a classroom.
- inactive, on 05/31/2009, -2/+28College sports: giving mediocre students opportunities while shunning away gifted ones
- wmuldoon, on 05/31/2009, -2/+27gym teacher is a rather lucrative career for your average sweat pants wearing pedo.
- srs2000, on 05/31/2009, -1/+25First off... I'm not a band geek.... although I used to play drums in like 5th grade though... but the point is this..
Bands usually have to raise their own money through fund raisers, car washes, and selling candy bars and *****. They have to pay their way. They don't get a free ride. Same with cheerleaders and all? or almost all other groups.
For every school that benefits from alumni donations and etc... I would guess 10 don't.
Athletic Depts get far far more than their fair share of money. The vast majority of students get zero benefit from all that money being spent. College is supposed to be about LEARNING. The money would be spent better by investing it to where it could do the most good.
I'm not saying to get rid of sports.. Just make it fair.
The percent of college kids in sports that go pro is insanely low. As far as it being a useful skill.. Only a handful in all of the USA get to use those skills. - inactive, on 05/31/2009, -4/+271 of my gym teachers rode his bike to school every day.
1 of my gym teachers jogged school every day.
All of my gym teachers put in countless hours of work with students after school because they taught sports programs for free.
All gym teachers drove/owned mediocre cars.
My media arts teacher drove 2 different BMW's and a motorcycle. - Cerius, on 05/31/2009, -8/+28What goes unstated in the article save a few short quips is the effect of Title 9. Here at my school we were forced to cancel the football program because the university could not pay for new sports programs to facilitate the needs of Title 9 for women. That was the only sports program making money, and because of that blight on our athletic department many alumni have decided not to donate to the university in protest. The loss of the football program has also diminished the school's abilities to shore up other programs budgets and provide scholarships throughout the athletic department.
Title 9 killed sports programs, not our current economic crisis. - Iexist08, on 05/31/2009, -1/+20no pay
- supermutt, on 05/31/2009, -1/+19Universities should be about gaining knowledge, not about throwing a ball or running fast.
- zeth006, on 05/31/2009, -6/+23Funny how this article was posted right about the time I started pondering this issue.
I believe Maddox wrote a very well-written blog article about the "activity" fee that high school students are forced to ask.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=du ...
Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with schools encouraging participation in competitive sports. But this is why I'm glad I went to a research college. Student body voted to axe the activity fee. No reason why I should be asked to pay for someone else's sports equipment. If you wanna play rugby or football then you pay for your own ***** gear. Unless you you can show me that your sport is somehow benefiting me or some segment of poor children in Africa, ***** off. - samard2002, on 05/31/2009, -1/+17My science teacher had a teleporter in his class room.
My history teacher rode in on a stagecoach.
My art teacher slid to work on a rainbow.
My debate teacher would convince strangers to give him rides to work.
My geometry teacher just wrote a proof that said the school was next to her house and then walked over.
My gym teach also drove a 1987 BMW.
So this guy is totally right. - ahmebah, on 05/31/2009, -1/+17If the program was actually generating money & alumni donations, there wouldn't need to be an increase in student fees to keep things running.
- srs2000, on 05/31/2009, -0/+16Sorry.. But you can learn team skills in more than just a sport. There are MANY types of teams... Those teams don't require millions of dollars a year to fund disappointment either.
- Larsonal777, on 05/31/2009, -1/+17sonny... they don't give thosands of dollars... or tens of thosands... let alone hundreds of thosands to student organizations. School athletics are supposed to be a sourse of income for universities... they are NOT supposed to be a drain.
- ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -1/+17Aww you got cut...want a tissue? By the way, I'm not giving it to you for free like your expensive life lesson.
- zeth006, on 05/31/2009, -1/+17That's fine with me.
- ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -1/+16It's kind of like the trouble to keeping church and government separate. They have nothing to do with each other and people still confuse them.
I'm a Christian who hates legislating the morality of the people--I'm also a student that hates paying for my peer's sports. When is somebody going to pay for my tuition and stop telling me what is wrong?
If a women wants an abortion, let her. If two homosexuals want marriage, let them. If somebody wants to smoke weed, let them. Just make it government regulated for ***** sakes, but don't make everybody pay for somebody elses BS! (pun intended) - PhillyOC, on 05/31/2009, -9/+24I understand what you are trying to say, but your logic is flawed. There are too many variables to say that he drove such a car because he got paid more. Perhaps he had no kids or bills other than his ride. I see that ***** every day. Guys driving around 3 years of their salary and still living with at home with Mommy.
- tgc1, on 05/31/2009, -2/+17You want to play? Pay for it.
Students should only be required to pay for what they use directly. You're taking science, okay your tuition helps pay for the labs. Art students tuition helps pay for the studios etc. Very common sense.
No way, even in some bad twilight zone episode would or should the money from all students go to some ***** varsity sports team. I don't care how good they are or if, in some instance, they bring in money for the school. You want a sports team ***** PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. - ZeroCubed, on 05/31/2009, -1/+15Larsonal is right
budgets for clubs are tight, and are usually dependent on a constant log of who's active in the club. Also, a budget may depend on how much a club does for the school. The more they do for the student body, the more money they can beg off the overall budget for student organizations.
Athletics on the other hand (from my experience), seems to go the other way around. The less well they perform, the more money they seem to be able to get in order to "improve performance and conditions". Okay, so you don't want to be playing on rocks. But you don't need a pristine field, sport specific locker rooms and showers. Less would be spent on equipment, if it wasn't used for practice. Use hand me down equipment and old uniforms for practice. I've seen plenty of teams waste a ***** load of money because new equipment got damaged DURING practice.
Another thing - building fancier stadiums and prettier sport rooms doesn't garner support worth *****. If a team's motivation is dependent on the state of their game room, then they aren't worth *****. The best teams will play in dirty gritty courts, and fans will come to support and cheer even if they had to stand. - Gwyddyon, on 05/31/2009, -0/+14Funding athletics departments is fine by me. But they shouldn't be getting more money than any other department at the university, and I rarely see fees hiked to pay for the Dance program or the Anthropology Club.
When I was at the University of Minnesota a few years back there was a debate about whether to build a new stadium. It was the most ridiculous waste of money combined with the worst instance of lying through the administration's teeth every day I've ever seen. The constant refrain was, "We need a stadium on campus. The athletics program brings millions of dollars into the school." What they ignored was the fact that the Metrodome, where our football team played, was A FIVE MINUTE BUS RIDE from the center of campus. Not only that, but if you go into the financial records and fine print, the athletics programs keep every dime they make on tickets and merchandise. None of that is funding other programs as they kept trying to imply.
So your football program is short on cash? How about this:
1) Quit paying the coach a ludicrous salary
2) You don't need a new stadium every twenty years.
3) Quit paying for expensive parties to keep and attract your athletes. - anonymousmedic, on 05/31/2009, -1/+14#1 Sports, expecially professional, are overrated.
#2 - Fail troll is fail. - pathy, on 05/31/2009, -0/+12Because he's complaining about not being able to use the good gym?
Yeah, those gym rats are always putting the ladies off. - ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -2/+14Digging up for some truth. Yes that is true, but the economy is still a factor. Title 9 started the *****, and the economy is the following up knock-out punch.
- morningmatters, on 05/31/2009, -1/+12As much as I think sports programs are good for universities, there is something wrong when sports coaches' salaries are as high (and sometimes higher) than that of that university's president's.
- LockeNCole, on 05/31/2009, -0/+11I think the point is that outside of those 40 people, no one else is ALLOWED to be part of it. If you show up at some random club and say you want to be a member, most of the time you can.
- Tw3ek, on 05/31/2009, -0/+11Speaking as one of those who had to "slave away" at McDonalds (now Little Caesars), yea, it's pretty unfair. What sucks even more is if your schools teams aren't any good. Nothing like tacking fees onto my tuition to watch my team get their ass kicked every Saturday.
- LockeNCole, on 05/31/2009, -0/+10So open up the phsy ed facilities and let the whole student body use them, not just the "athletes."
- FrozenPie, on 05/31/2009, -5/+15That's a good start! Now we need, "Americans to Washington: We're Not Paying"
- ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -0/+10I go to a research university also--we are in crazy debt because of our new football program. FML.
- LockeNCole, on 05/31/2009, -0/+9Unless you're looking at the Stanford football team, I doubt "most" truly excel. I'm sure they get by and when they don't, things are made to happen.
- SalmonGod, on 05/31/2009, -0/+9#1 Played a few sports. Enjoyed it. Watching a bunch of strangers play a game is still boring.
#2 I'm married with two children. - burgerkinghorn, on 09/02/2009, -0/+9Which is even higher than the salaries of the actual professors. That is FUBAR.
- airyks, on 05/31/2009, -0/+8If only more christians held the same views that you do ;l
- SalmonGod, on 05/31/2009, -1/+9I wish any of the activities I thought were interesting got 1/10th of the funding that athletics does...
Heck, I wish the department I majored in got as much funding. Maybe they could have replaced their computers more often. - bpm2000, on 05/31/2009, -0/+8What a ***** society we live in, where the educated and intelligent get ***** on but idiots who are good at throwing a ball or jumping really high get all kinds of awesome treatment.
Do you mind if I ask how much they paid for those tutoring sessions? (seems kinda relevent) - darknecross, on 05/31/2009, -1/+9"Hey, you may have never called the Fire Department - ever - but you still pay for them just in case you need their services. How is that any different from sports?"
How is that at all similar to sports?!
If you were to draw a Venn diagram showing the similarities between the Fire Department and College Athletics, you're not going to get the Olympic Rings. That's probably the worst comparison I've read in weeks. You sir, are an idiot. - anonymousmedic, on 05/31/2009, -0/+8Colleges and Universities should be about the furtherance of knowledge and learned people. In other Countries, there are special schools for Athletics and people who persue them, and these are countries that are accelerating ahead of the United States with leaps and bounds in the number of engineering and scientific graduates. You don't hear of an Indian who got through med school by playing basketball. Here is the sheer reality of the matter: These players will often times get crap degress, such as liberal arts, philosophy, and "management" that will never lead to a meaningful job in the arts or sciences. Instead, they will continue to stoke some teenage masterbatory fantasy that they will be the next Kobe or Mike, when the harsh reality is they will not, and that less than a percent of a percent will go on to play professional sports.
Why are we putting athletics over intelligence, and not cultivating America's scientific future, I have no clue. Our generation has put too much emphasis on "Getting Rich quick", rather than developing as we have in the past. We've made everyone's precious little snowflake think they are special when they are not in terms of sports; and if you're a rich tartlett at an ivy league school, it's expecially worse - but that's another arguement. - ZeroCubed, on 05/31/2009, -1/+9"Hey, you may have never called the Fire Department - ever - but you still pay for them just in case you need their services. How is that any different from sports?"
The difference, is that the fire department saves lives. My taxes supporting them ensures that if ever needed, my fellow neighbor, friend, relative, and myself will have assistance if ever in the unfortunate event of a fire.
The fees supporting a sport team, ensures they get to catch or throw a ball one more day. I could never attend a game, never know the team's name, how they do, who they play against, who on the team died, did crack, was a heroin addict, did steroids, pedophile ect. My life, the life of my neighbor, friend, and relative will go on without incident till the end of our days.
In fact...that's exactly how my life is like right now! All I know of the local university's football team is their name, and my life goes on not thinking about them except when they're brought up in conversation...which up until now, was never. And my life went on without incident...
Really, pick a better example. -
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