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- bofhcabbit, on 10/12/2007, -25/+119Seriously? This guy deserves a ***** medal.
Publicly announcing, to sports fans, that you're going to be losing your balls and becoming a woman... well, it takes balls.
I hope the GLBT community gives him props for raising awareness. - poedguy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+57Please do some research, there's a massive difference between homosexuality and transsexuality.
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -9/+38At the end of the day, its not your body, so you have no say in the matter. You can have an opinion, but it means nothing.
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, and everybody knows one. - rAid135, on 10/12/2007, -17/+43Only because sports has become so homophobic
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -19/+41Tell that to your mom. I mean, your dad...
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -15/+37You fail at being open minded, therefore, i win.
- zephris, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35And so this is news because the U.S. is sexually immature. Digg down the comment if you want but it doesn't change how true it is.
- TheAkolyte, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32Mmmm... nothing more heterosexual than patting your sweaty friends ass after a nice long "work out."
- kevinwiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19link to the la times article
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oldmike26apr26,1,3394028.story?coll=la-headlines-sports - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24this is getting OOLDDDDD!!!!
- knulpm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19I didn't use to believe in all this "I'm a man in a woman's body" stuff until I actually started taking classes about neurobiology and all that stuff.
Some very convincing arguments based on brain anatomy differences found in men, women, and gay/transgender peop.e
Of course, what do I know? This could all just turn out to be publicity for Juwana Mann 2: Tranny Bugaloo. - KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Scheissen, if you seriously don't know what 'arse' means, you're an idiot. JeffH, you have no idea how much more disgusting and vile you are than those you hate.
- boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Well... I mean you at least need to let people know why there's a tall chick named Christine hanging out in your office after your sick leave...
- kflasch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18@bobcrotch:
Admitting something like this is not rubbing it in *anyone*'s face and I fail to see how it could be interpreted as such unless one wants to play the victim.
It is remarkable to come out as transgendered (or homosexual as you also mention) because our society is still relatively intolerant of it, especially the sports community. While I look forward to a society where being transgendered or homosexual is not considered remarkable and widely accepted, that day is not here yet. It is still difficult. I wouldn't say she seriously deserves a medal, but I am proud of her for not having to hide it. - MeMongo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Transvestites cross dress and they aren't necessarily cross gendered. TVs technically only want to dress and look like a woman. They don't necessarily want to BE a woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender - deweyhewson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Well, it could be the end of the discussion if you were right. But you're not. Let me correct you: two Xs make you a female.
And what about XO, or XXY, or XXXY, or Turner's syndrome, etc.?
There is a HUGE difference between physical sex and gender identity.
1 in 20,000 babies are born with ambiguous genitalia.
1 in 426 babies are born with unusual sex chromosomes
1 in 500 baby boys have an extra X chromosome
1 in 2,000 babies are born with only one X chromosome and no Y (XO)
What would you call those people? "Its"?
For hundreds of years the medical profession, and uninformed people, have tried to force gender on people. It doesn't work. It never has.
Do some research, and then ask yourself if you can still be as cocky with your black and white view of the world. - shin_en, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@MeMongo
You're right. Thanks - lendrick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12*she* deserves a medal, you mean. :)
It's polite to refer to a transgender person by the gender they've chosen. - spookyttws, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13My Government teacher in high school was happily married for some 15 years before he went through with becoming a transgender female. His wife then became his roommate. It doesn't change who you are, just how the world views you and how you feel about yourself. Love and support are strong things with the right people.
- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I applaud him for being open about his decision, but the very fact that we all think this is "news" contradicts our ideas on how these actions should be common or at least let be, instead of having a fuss be made about them.
- boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually it has nothing to do with your *****- or heterosexuality. He likes women and is a man now. He'll still like women when he's a woman later. So he'll go from being a heterosexual male to being a lesbian. Lots of trans people are "gay" after transitioning.
- crazedape, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8wow that sure take courage but what would your say?
"A 28-point loss in Phoenix has the Lakers down 2-0 and reeling heading into tonight's Game 3."
In other news I have decided to become a woman. - kiyyik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Oo yeah! We are *everywhere*! Aboogabooga! >;)
Seriously though, this is really somethin'. Coming out as trans is a real mother when you're a boring old computer nerd, but being someone in the public eye--and the Happy Testosterone Land of professional sports, yet--that takes some serious overii, y'all. More power to'er.
Actually, it's not too much of a surprise. A lot of us--particularly the generation that didn't grow up with the intarweb and community support structures now in place--did tend to overcompensate on the look-how-manly-I-am* scale. I've known former ultimate fighters, firefighters, mechanics, motocross racers,hot rod restorifiers--it's like a damn cigarette ad. And don't even *ask* about the number of former soldiers. My utterly unscientific poll put about between one-half and one-third of the trans-folk I know as veterans. M'self included.
As for the people insisting that one's gender is fixed at birth between your legs/in your DNA, well, congrabulations. You are now on an intellectual par with the state of Kansas (which has established a legal precedent to that effect). Mazel tov. Fact is, if you wanna talk about fixed genders, you spent the first six-twelve weeks of your existence as a girl. Happens to everyone. Around eightish weeks in, you may get a note to your body and your brain both that says "OK, go be a dude." Unfortunately, sometimes one or the other of them gets the note but the other one doesn't, leaving to mass confusion & a lifelong harsh. It's interesting to note that in the case of M2F's such as myself, a study in the Netherlands found that we had physically female brain structures, particularly around in the hypothalamus. This was regardless of whether we'd been on the 'mones or not, btw.
Anyhoo, more power to 'er. I know what it's like to come out in hostile territory, but you do kinda get to a point where you just gotta either deal with it, or give yourself a nice set of ulcers and twitch-itis as you try to hold it all in for twenty years and then ya pop.
Oh. And y'all who are talkin' about her "Cutting her dick off"? Yeah, that's not how it goes. It's much, much worse. So be good, or Auntie Kelly will go into *excrutiating* detail. And I'll do it, too, kids: I gots the slide projector and the 3-D glasses right here. Don' push me on this.
K
(* *grunt* *grunt* *scratch*) - JohnSteel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Good for him-her. I really don't care though.
- rinks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Good for him/her. I can't imagine keeping something so huge a secret for so long. It takes a lot of courage, but it also shows that we're making progress as a society that this can be printed in the sports section of one of the world's biggest newspapers and it's mostly just a universal "good for you".
- angrytrousers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I've decided to come out as a cucumber. That's right, I will now be known as angrygourd. Please respect my decision and do not mock me or call me names like "pickle lover" or "gourd whore" or "fruity mcvegetable." Thank you.
- deweyhewson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7We were just discussing all of this in my biology class today.
Typically when you make the change you are required to take hormones (either testosterone or estrogen, depending on the sex you are assuming), and also "live" as the opposite gender for 1-2 years to give those around you time to adjust.
I don't know if Mike Penner did either one, but in general that's how it works.
In short, kudos to him for having the courage. - KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Will Marv Albert do the same? YYYYYYESSSSSS!
- mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7it says he's married...i wonder how his spouse feels about this...i assume they've been in the dark about it along with the rest of the world...
that would be a sucky way to head into the weekend :-P - bgramer1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Whatever happened to that Wachowski brother? The one that was into S&M and leather and eventually transgendered. I noticed in V for Vendetta, that it now said The Wachowskis, not the Wachowski Brothers, as it was in the Matrix.
- lendrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, my above comment was dugg down... I don't suppose some GLBT folks would be willing to back me up?
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Michael Jackson never had plastic surgery. Ask him.
- iainc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@eitheehstsergei: your sneering and demonstrable lack of humanity amply qualifies you as an "it."
- iainc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3JeffH is probably quite disgusting.
- deweyhewson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well, how about the woman (used to be a man) who I talked to on Tuesday who has had the operation?
How about the twin boys situation, where one had a circumcision go wrong, and lost his penis, so was raised as a girl? He (She) attempted suicide multiple times before the truth was revealed to him. (She) had the operation to become a man, and is now happy with his identity. (Source: "Human Sexuality Today", Bruce M. King)
There are countless cases like those where the physical side of things did not match the chromosomes.
Jjust ask yourself a simple question: Why in the world would somebody decide to make the switch unless there were underlying emotional/spiritual/mental inconsistencies that led to it?
It's not like it is cheap, easy, or a perfect operation.
The new "vagina" does not lubricate on its own. The new "penis" can not naturally get erect.
It's not exactly a corner drug-store quickfix. - KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5From your link:
Claim: Actress Jamie Lee Curtis was born with both male and female sex organs.
Status: Undetermined.
So basically you have no point. And regardless, such cases do exist. - boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@bitsy...
That's actually happened, in Texas, I believe. It also depends on the local law about determining sex after a sex change. Some states go by chromosomes, and some allow you to change the gender on your records. - deweyhewson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9If you knew anything about any of it you'd know how much of an idiot you are.
You don't just "choose" to become a man or woman. There's a whole lot more to it than just what you've got between your legs.
Moron... - rgodfrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not the first sportswriter to switch teams:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cheap/2005/cheap0826.html
Christina Kahrl is one of the smartest baseball writers working. - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It was a joke Ali. South Park episode - Naggers.
SIt still should be dugg down, as should you, for being completely irrelevant to the discussion. - modpancake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sure this article will be growing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Penner
- Joel32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fletch 6'3", 6'9" w/the afro
- iainc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@HarryBauzonia: XX and XY is so yesterday's news, research has moved on a bit. Bet you still think the Earth is flat, don't you?
- mal1964, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2please explain
- poedguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why don't people actually do research on topics before claiming to know everything about them? (MtF) Transsexuals don't cut off their penises, they have an operation to convert the penile tissue into a semi-functioning vagina.
- vampiregabe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You mean Lana Wachowski?
Changed his sex in 2006. Story: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/20/DDGR9HQ5S11.DTL
About mid way down:
"Klaus, 41, is one of an estimated 12,000 transsexual women in the United States, a population that's not only growing but inching toward social acceptability. Felicity Huffman won a Golden Globe and an Oscar nomination this year for playing Bree, a hapless sex-change candidate in the comedy "Transamerica." And Larry Wachowski, one of the co-directors of "The Matrix" film trilogy and producer of "V for Vendetta," has changed his sex and is now living as Lana Wachowski." - KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7So what is it exactly that makes someone a woman? And what about those who are born sexually ambiguous?(1 of every 3000 births in the US) Do they not have the right to choose a gender? If it was your child, would you refuse to refer to it as a he or a she simply because you believe it to be an it? It's not as black and white as you make it seem.
- bitsyboffin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmm, that raises an interesting question. If somebody is married heterosexually (physically at least) in a locality which does not permit "gay marriage", and becomes trans-gendered at a later date, and the couple stays togethor, does that nullify the marriage.
- mal1964, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4life is kinda funny you just don't know from day to day. you could wake up tomorrow and said to yourself i think i cut my dick off today
- KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Come on man, you're obviously intelligent, you don't have to pepper your diatribe with insults. Try taking a deep breath and calming down before posting, this shouldn't make you so angry.
I agree that this man/woman has some kind of disorder, but she shouldn't be put down for it. The fact is she has found a way to cope, and we should all be happy for her. -
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