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- AngustheCat, on 02/13/2009, -9/+205My favorite bathroom stall scribbling:
"Man made beer
God made pot
God is perfect
Man is not" - sheeplescareme, on 02/13/2009, -8/+141the msm always makes a big deal about things like this to divert the publics attention away from stuff that actually matters. the "news" is a mishmash of half-truths and celebutard nonsense that doesn't effect the average individual.
the war on drugs⢠is a war on people, though. legalize all drugs and violent crime will drop, the prisons will be far less crowded, people with problems won't be afraid to get help, and the money saved can be spent on more important things. besides that, medical marijuana would be an excellent source of revenue for troubled states. - awtripp, on 02/13/2009, -12/+101You nobs. It wasn't to open a ***** debate about God get over yourselves and take a break for your ***** God trashing ranting a laugh a little rhyme.
- inactive, on 02/13/2009, -8/+72How many murders/rapes could've been prevented by the amount of resources they've been wasting on this.. how does if feel to have blood on your hands Sheriff.
- lornefs, on 02/13/2009, -4/+57It really is ludicrous, we live in a world where people are victimized for using a harmless drug like pot and yet people get relatively light sentences for getting drunk and killing someone with there car. Sex in movies is deplorable but movies like Saw are just fine.
How did we get so ***** up. - protogenxl, on 02/13/2009, -5/+54She was living in a single room with three other individuals. One of them was a male and the other two, well, the other two were females. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes
- MisterEX, on 02/13/2009, -5/+50I don't need to believe in a God to know you're a douche.
- lovek, on 02/13/2009, -2/+45Dudes, he was just relaying a funny limerick. You guys are a major buzzkill.
- dagr8tim, on 02/13/2009, -1/+36In Ohio, they have DUI & DWI (Driving Under the Influence & Driving While Intoxicated). The first covers any form of impairment, and basically all you have to do is fail a field sobriety test. The second means the police have to prove you were drunk beyond the legal limit.
If marijuana were legal, why not use the laws that were already in place to charge people who were too impaired to drive? - Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -4/+38I have been asking for the complete and total legalization of all drugs for quite some time. I also laugh at the people that think legalization means you can buy any and everything at 7-11. You cant even buy pseudoephedrine at 7-11 anymore and you cant buy it at pharmacies without a photo ID, you certainly will not be able to buy heroin at 7-11 even if it were legalized unless it were sold similarly to cigarettes where you show ID, or a prescription, or some other document that says you are allowed to purchase it, and you're on your way. Definitely not right off the shelf like a bag of chips.
We spend all of these resources fighting illegal drugs that don't cause anywhere near as much harm as the black market that is trying to protect their drug selling territory or addicts that have to buy drugs that are so expensive due to their scarcity from the illegal nature of the drugs. This expensiveness is what drives people to steal and rob people for their drug money. If the drugs were legal they could be sold for a cheap price and could be ensured to be pure and safe without anything mixed it with so the dealer could sell less product for the same price.
The whole michael phelps thing might actually be the best thing that ever happened to the drug movement. I think it might actually help some people see that you can be an upstanding citizen, make our country proud, be a good person and still use drugs. I'm sad for him that he is such an amazing athlete and brought so much pride to our country for his incredible feats and is losing his endorsements for something so harmless, but I think this incident he created might actually help America in a way that he never could as just an athlete.
We already found out that prohibition doesnt work. I don't have any idea why they thought it would work for other chemicals when it didnt work for alcohol. Making it illegal just created Al Capone and gave him the money and power instead of the government keeping it for its own uses.
It should still be illegal to get high and hurt someone, or drive while intoxicated on anything, but you should absolutely be allowed to put any substance into your body that you would like. Hell, it should be legal to do anything you like until it infringes on the rights of others. The double standard that alcohol and cigarettes are cool and the "bad" drugs are not needs to stop. Let the non-violent drug offenders out of jail, and let the drug dealers out as well because if you illegalize it you put them out of business and will stop most if not all of the drug-related gang violence.
edit: I also despise people that are pushing for marijuana legalization but do not understand that it is necessary for all drugs. They talk about how marijuana isnt harmful so its fine to legalize but do not understand that its the illegality of these drugs that makes them the most dangerous for our society. - zinc6471, on 02/13/2009, -4/+38"As of last April, he says, law enforcement had identified 623,000 computers containing child pornography, including downloadable video of child rape. Only a fraction of those have been pursued with search warrants, thanks to limited resources and staff shortages. What's worse, Wooldridge says, is that three times out of five a search warrant also produces a child victim on the premises. "
didn't' know that, but i'm not surprised - Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -0/+25In college my housemate had 7 drunk in public offenses (you're supposed to get one warning and then be expelled) and was still on campus. My roomate got caught with a few stems and was expelled immediately (it was finals week). Its ridiculous.
- TiMMY8765, on 02/13/2009, -1/+26sure if it was legal, and people driving while high was getting to be a problem, they would develop a test for it. Did anyone during prohibition say "alcohol shouldn't be legal because there's no machine to test for it"? No, prohibition was repealed and then some people made a good deal of money by inventing the breathalyzer. If marijuana is legalized, some entrepreneur will invent a machine to test how high people are and make a good sum of money off of it.
- inactive, on 02/13/2009, -0/+23North Carolina stands at the ready to become the worlds leading producer of cannabis and hemp to substitute the falling tobacco market. Screw soybeans.
- WiretapStudios, on 02/13/2009, -0/+23REEFERS!
- Lunarsight, on 02/13/2009, -1/+22I honestly think pot should be treated just like alcohol - legalize it, but regulate it heavily.
If a person wants to smoke pot in the privacy of their own home, I honestly don't care - just as long as they don't go and do anything potentially dangerous to other people while under its influence. - vilago, on 02/13/2009, -4/+24"How did we get so ***** up?" here's your answer:
1) the puritan, extremely religious protestant roots of this country
2) xenophobia - gmiley, on 02/13/2009, -0/+20The most dangerous thing I have seen someone do after smoking a bowl is eat too much taco bell.
- dforty3, on 02/13/2009, -1/+19The drug laws serve to populate the private prisons on the low end and fund intelligent agency black ops on the high end. They only focus on and arrest the low level dealers and users while providing cover and cooperation for the "upper level management".
CIA Drug Plane Crash - Didn't hear about this in the mainstream media?... hmmmm...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/12/19210/608 ...
Michael Ruppert confronts CIA director about Drug Laundering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg - quill, on 02/13/2009, -2/+20Great article with a great argument. Having the simple possession/consumption of pot be a crime is ridiculous. Legalize it, then tax it.
- weaksnyc, on 08/14/2009, -1/+18Some other people seem to think that they can comment about something they know nothing about and refuse to listen to facts because DARE said "it's bad for you" in 5th grade. Guess what, they said not to have sex either.
- dforty3, on 02/13/2009, -0/+17Legalizing, even the dangerous drugs like heroin, would allow us to address the problem as a social issue instead of a criminal issue. People with addiction wouldn't need to resort to crime to get their fix. And they could be treated with therapy and medical programs, like alcoholics. It would undercut the funding of criminal organizations. That said, if they legalized marijuana, it would be better for people to grow their own as the corporations would treat it like tobacco and add many unhealthy additives to get people physically addicted to it and ensure an ever increasing profit margin.
- norman619, on 02/13/2009, -0/+14My god... Pot is one of the safest drugs to use. You can't OD on pot. The only "bad" effects of pot are getting fat and in some cases paranoia. Never heard of a pot smoker going on a violent rampage due to smoking too much pot.
- Jeepinator, on 02/13/2009, -0/+14It's a ***** bathroom poem. Wow, you are looking for an argument aren't you? Always ready to jump on the unsuspecting POSSIBLE Christian? Get over yourself.
- ulmedas, on 02/13/2009, -0/+14I think the difference is that Rush was arrested for it. the POTUS was never arrested, and that was the point of the article. Try, just try, to use some context. Not every thing has to be frames as republican v dem.
- groo68, on 02/13/2009, -1/+14"Do anything negative to you." -fixed it. unless you count paranoia, which could be possibly isolated and removed if a science lab was able to study it. but i doubt anyone who got paranoia after smoking it would smoke it again.
- Stavrosian, on 02/13/2009, -3/+16At the end of the day, the push for more sensible drug policies will have to come from the media. No politician will touch the issue directly because they know that as soon as they do they will get skewered by a press still hung up on scare stories and half-truths, selling the easy story to the public they show no inclination to educate.
If enough media sources have enough werewithall to try and explain the benefits of drug reform to their readers/viewers instead of just leaping on the easy anti-drug bandwaggon as most of them have done in the past then there is a chance that an environment will be created where policy-makers can approach the issue sensibly and from a position of honesty, rather than from a position of political survival.
A legalization story from Fox News hit the front page the other day. Maybe we're getting there. - WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -0/+12Wow Biscuitz, you must be a lot of fun at parties -.-
- Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -1/+12how can you say that? you cant just apply what you feel should happen and say that is what would happen. its nice to think that anything bad that happens isnt real because there should be good people in the world fixing the problem but that doesnt make it true.
The government is spending a ridiculous amount of money fighting multiple wars for trillions of dollars , bailing out terrible businesses for more trillions, and is spending billions fighting the war on drugs, you dont think funding , manpower, and other resources wasnt taken from something else ? - dforty3, on 02/13/2009, -1/+12I wonder if paranoia would still be a side effect if it were legal and socially acceptable. I've never really really noticed paranoia being a problem with long term users.
- Moonrider, on 02/13/2009, -0/+11And would you rather the control of those "heavy, problematic drugs" be in the hands of criminals or governments? That's your real choice here.
- serif69, on 02/13/2009, -1/+12Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin
Even though I know he never actually said that, I just ***** love beer. - tdclark23, on 02/13/2009, -0/+11Rush was arrested, Obama was not.
- BuzzFriendly, on 02/13/2009, -6/+16What the hell is wrong with our government that we have the resources to waste on people smoking a plant that grows wild in nature but murders, rapist, child molestors etc etc etc go un-captured? We should be taxing the drug and stimulating economic growth not spending tax money to convict and imprison people for smoking a plant. Government just doesn't get it.
- duncan202, on 02/13/2009, -0/+10I actually agree with this... The answer is to have really, really serious consequences if you DID injur someone.
Punish people when they commit a crime, not their potential to do so. - urgeigh, on 02/13/2009, -0/+10I've been repeating this ad nauseum but whatever, here goes. Legalizing pot isn't going to suddenly make everyone start driving under it's influence. As if everyone who wasn't previously smoking due to it being illegal is all of a sudden going to become another brazen criminal out to destroy the lives of you innocent, "life is perfect 24/7" people. Think about it. You already have x amount of people smoking regularly. And you have y amount of people who would smoke if it was legal, and then you have z amount of people who are just convinced due to whatever ***** up reason that Marijuana is the devil, and then you have a certain amount of people who although they have no problem with Marijuana, they still won't use it regardless of it's legal status. Now anyone who is currently driving under the influence would fall into x. Already breaking the law, already a smoker. Legalize marijuana, then you add y to the equation. Now you're gonna tell me that these people who wouldn't be willing to break the law to even TRY Marijuana will, all of a sudden, start driving under the influence and drastically increase the amount of DUI/DWI? Hell NO. The smokers who will drive under the influence are already smoking. Get a ***** clue. Marijuana doesn't impair your judgment even remotely to the degree that alcohol does, which is why so many people get behind the wheel while DRUNK because they are beyond controlling themselves. Most DUI offenders (that I've met) say they would never drive drunk until they get *****, then they lose control; it's almost as if they don't even know they're doing it until after the fact. I don't understand how people get from an idea to a conclusion sometimes, I really don't know what's going through their head when they think, "IF U LEGALIZE IT, DUIS ARE GONNA GO UP LOL. I DID REAL GUD IN DARE CLASS". /facepalm
@Iparker: You should really try it some time before you try to comment on it. You can only get so high off marijuana, a little bit does pretty much the same for me as a lotta bit. It's like giving your opinion on a movie you've never seen. - Yondelldude, on 02/13/2009, -1/+11Immediately after reading this I heard the opening chords to to Sublime's cover of "Smoke Two Joints" in my head.
- Jektal, on 02/13/2009, -0/+9You can interpret "God" as "Nature" if it makes you feel better. That's the way I view it.
- Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -0/+9My mother is an opiate user,she has a genetic problem with her spine/brain casing that causes intense pain all the time and she has to take strong opiates to maintain her sanity. she holds a job, she tells the truth, she isnt loopy, and doesnt steal to get it because she has a $5 co-pay prescription.
You are talking about issues that come from the drug being illegal and applying them to the drug itself which just doesnt work. Also, what the hell is wrong with someone that itches all the time? Maybe we should make leprosy illegal?
You also call heroin addiction alcohol's big brother. When in fact it is the other way around. Heroin doesnt kill anywhere near as many people every year as drunk driving , liver disease, and other alcohol and cigarette related problems do.
You are absolutely correct on one point though: "I believe it's everyone's right to put whatever they want in their bodies as long as they don't bother me and interrupt my pursuit of happiness." I have said this time and time again. However you seem to think that this is impossible with these drugs when it is not. You are talking about safe needles, recovery programs, etc being provided by users as a burden from being made legal. We are already dealing with these issues right now and the taxes provided by users paying for their now legal drugs would cover all of the things we would need to pay for. The needles thing would be covered by the manufacturer and the user buying them when he buys the heroin. - Wack3d, on 02/13/2009, -0/+9There are already spot tests for pot speed ecstacy developed and in use by police in some parts of Australia
- JDLade, on 02/13/2009, -0/+8"... and I wrote this poem to prove a point
that school is ***** without a joint"
-the ending of apparently the same poem (on bathroom stalls across the nation) - Dalhectar, on 02/13/2009, -0/+8Not just Ohio, but pretty much in any state you can get a DUI for impaired driving. If you seem sleepy and a cop notices you swerving around, you'll get pulled.
- neo991lb, on 02/13/2009, -0/+8lol@Halsfield, who effectively made himself look like a stupid, pretentious *****.. twice.
- Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -1/+9no i saw this one ad that said marijuana makes you drown little kids in pools and hit them on their bikes with your car. tv = true stories.
- DangerCollie, on 02/13/2009, -1/+9DUI already applies to more than alcohol, even prescription drugs. So the old arguments about would you want your airline pilot or school bus driver being stoned are mute. I haven't seen one good reason to keep pot illegal, unless you're in the board room of one of the private prison companies.
Those are the next two things that need to go. Private security firms in war zones and private prisons. The state should bear the cost of imprisoning people. What do you bet if it comes to jailing pot smokers or raising taxes, guess what's going to happen? - borschwanger, on 02/13/2009, -3/+11people thought this prohibition was ridiculous in itself. when you combine it with numbers regarding other crimes NOT being solved BECAUSE of prohibition and it limiting resources it becomes just plain disgusting
- Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -1/+9yea, thats terribly sad considering they are spending so much time attacking pot smokers that they dont have the resources to go after child rapists. I think that part of the reason they do that is because government officials get so many more votes for being anti-drug and it looks good on their resume's to have anti-drug arrests in their state. Government officials dole out the funding to police stations that do what they want them to so if they make drug arrests they get more funding, maybe bonuses, etc.
our law enforcement in this country is in a sad state, and i can only hope that obama and the rest of the new government will work to solve this in addition to our economical problems. - yourmomlol, on 02/13/2009, -0/+7this comment was made on the original article, and I find it interesting to say the least:
boricuaogun wrote:
why are all the pundits, even "war on drugs" loving republicans, rushing to save their pretty little white boy?
Did you, kathleen, ever write an opinion for Randy Moss or any other black athlete busted with marijuana?
where indeed. - Halsfield, on 02/13/2009, -0/+7@irishjays and liquidmice - you guys really have not done your homework on heroin, and most of the other illegal drugs use the same kind of logic.
Reasons heroin is bad:
1)Addiction
2)Danger of overdose
3)Potential to steal to get it(violent crimes)
4)Gangs protecting drug-selling territory/shipments killing innocents and each other.
#1 Addiction in and of itself is not a problem. There are thousands (maybe millions) of people addicted to prescription drugs that have no problems with it because they need them for chronic pain like cancer, etc. Addiction in and of itself is not a problem unless the supply is scarce(see #3). You are currently addicted to many things if you go by the actual definition. "addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning and develops physical dependence." You need food/water to live and you are physically dependent on them. Are food and water bad because you need them every day? Of course not.
#2Danger of Overdose - Heroin causes overdoses because of 3 main things: Lack of education, change in potency, and depression. Lack of education is easily solvable by turning school drug education into a class that actually educates people instead of lying to them. You could also have government run websites that tell the truth and have all the information needed to use the drug safely and responsibly. Just as we do with alcohol. Change in potency issues are solved when you take manufacturing out of the hands of people in a basement and go to a standardized lab/factory setting like they have for morphine and other prescriptions. Depression really has nothing to do with heroin but is just as big of a problem that needs solving and some of the money from taxes on heroin and other legalized drugs would easily cover money for therapy etc.
#3Violence/robbery due to use/need to use - As I said above, this is only a problem in a world where drugs are expensive. If you make food very expensive to the point that people cannot afford it you will see people stealing to get it. Is there something wrong with food then ? Cocaine costs pennies to make truckloads of but the legality of it raises the price way up because its hard to get to the buyer because of the war on drugs. If heroin and cocaine were as cheap as they were to manufacture + taxes + a little bit for the manufacturers to still make a decent profit it would probably be as expensive as cigarettes, and maybe less. This problem is nothing inherently wrong with the drug.
4) Gang violence/gangs in general - will go away as soon as the drugs become readily available to an extent that the black market no longer makes a profit by selling them. If you get rid of this you get rid of a lot of problems in the inner cities around the world and allow the government to instead allocate money to those places taken from the taxes on legalized drugs to better educate the people living there and get them out of poverty.
Heroin itself does not kill you. If you were prescribed heroin in a regulated dosage for the rest of your life you would not contract some disease like liver failure or lung cancer like you would if you drank or smoked a lot. Every year drinking and smoking legal drugs (nicotine/alcohol) hundreds of thousands of people die every year and we are fine with that(to the point that we will not make it illegal at least). My point is that we cannot have a double standard where harmful drugs are legal, and other similarly harmful ones are not. Its all or none. -
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