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- Cerialthriller, on 12/30/2008, -17/+65you can't ski jump in a kitchen..
- DWillms, on 12/30/2008, -8/+48Qualify with the men and you can jump, problem solved.
- vtnerd, on 12/30/2008, -2/+40"To become an Olympic sport, a sport must be widely practiced around the world, universal, and have a big appeal," Rogge explained. "This is not the case for women's ski jumping. So there is no discrimination whatsoever. They did not pass the technical mark. That will change in the future. We have no doubt about that. But today they're not ready for it."
Seems reasonable and it doesn't sound at all like discrimination. Unfortunate, yes. A matter of civil rights being violated - not in my opinion.
I'm also not sure what they think they're going to make VANOC do about it. Nations can't just add sports to the competition whenever they feel like it. If they could [add new sports], China could have invented sports just to beat everyone else and have a higher medal count. - reaper527, on 12/30/2008, -0/+19"and that one where they use the brooms in front of that big rock that they slide on the ice?"
curling is actually a big deal internationally - Fozefy, on 12/30/2008, -0/+19curling? Actually here in Canda we even have high school curling teams....just saying.
- ToddSchishler, on 12/30/2008, -1/+19I don't disagree that women shouldn't be able to ski-jump, but this is a pretty lame way to go about it.
It is the IOC that decides if women can ski-jump or not, and the Charter guarantees the protection of our rights from the Government, not the IOC. - publishcron, on 12/30/2008, -2/+20So along the same lines, why was there no male synchronized swimming in Bejing?
http://www.strimoo.com/video/14051461/Martin-Short ... - LeftieLucy, on 01/09/2009, -6/+23This is an interesting case - I hope these women are successful.
For reference, this is the relevant section of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. - publishcron, on 12/30/2008, -0/+17You obviously haven't been to Saskatchewan.
- rahamm, on 12/30/2008, -3/+20Let them compete AGAINST the men if they can qualify.
- Fozefy, on 12/30/2008, -0/+16I was thinking exactly the same thing and I came here to either find it and digg it or post it myself.
The women should technically have their own event, but it seems VANOC may not have that jurisdiction. It could also cause scheduling problems to hold another event. However, since this article even says that some of the women are able to jump further than the men, let these women compete with them. Its not hurting anyone, other than the possibility of a women winning and embarrassing all the men, hehe. - SasquatchBill, on 12/30/2008, -0/+15Because its unfair that a mans low-hanging testicles might create wind resistance that a woman might not otherwise have.
- vtnerd, on 12/30/2008, -1/+14Biathlon and curling. It's not that difficult to look up names on Google.
Biathlon has existed since 1861. It did not become an Olympic sport until 1960.
Curling has existed since 1511. It did not become an Olympic sport until 1998.
Hooray for Wikipedia.
Just b/c they're not popular in the US doesn't mean they're not popular in the rest of the world. I've never seen football (American football) in the Olympics, but it's immense popularity in the US doesn't mean it's deserving of being included. - reaper527, on 12/30/2008, -3/+16FTA
""To become an Olympic sport, a sport must be widely practiced around the world, universal, and have a big appeal," Rogge explained. "This is not the case for women's ski jumping. So there is no discrimination whatsoever. They did not pass the technical mark. That will change in the future. We have no doubt about that. But today they're not ready for it.""
the demand for it isn't there, so it isn't going to happen int he olympics. they have no right to force a private entity (the ioc) to hold events of their choosing. if they don't like what the committee decides, than organize their own games.
this "i don't like it, so i'm going to sue" mentality is sickening. this has NO place in the court system
on a side note, there are plenty of women only sports in the olympics. - mcnees287, on 12/30/2008, -1/+10or in the bed
- SasquatchBill, on 12/30/2008, -0/+8I think you missed a few buzzwords. Try again.
- Alheithinn, on 12/30/2008, -2/+10FTA: "VANOC is a quasi-governmental entity. If you look at the composition of their board [and] if you look at who's funding all of the venues in the Olympic Games, it's the federal and the provincial and local governments," Corradini contends. "And therefore, under Canadian law, [VANOC] is subject to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which prohibits discrimination."
All the arguments raised against women being allowed to ski jump are invalid. Let the women jump. As with gays and lesbians, either people are equal or they are not. The IOC seems to be having trouble pulling itself out of the 19th century. - inactive, on 12/30/2008, -2/+10If a woman can ski jump farther than a man, why can't women and men just compete together in that sport?
- mikepictor, on 12/30/2008, -0/+7have any men asked for it? Have any of them come forward and presented a team ready to compete?
If they did...I think they should be allowed. - bryxal, on 12/30/2008, -2/+8FTA: "[Lindsey] Van holds the distance record at the K90 hill in Whistler, British Columbia."
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DeFrantz notes that some women used to jump disguised as men, and some have dominated the sport, sometimes jumping farther than men. In fact, American women do so well in international competition that the U.S. Ski Jumping Team does not include any men. - The5nowman, on 12/30/2008, -2/+8Makes complete sense. Obviously people are ignoring their common sense here...
- vtnerd, on 12/30/2008, -2/+7As a man, can I compete in a women's sport like swimming? If it doesn't go both ways, then it's not fair. If we're after "equal" treatment, then you need to allow men to qualify for the women's sports too.
But I can't imagine anyone defending Phelps' right to swim against women because it's illogical.
Men and women are physically different. It's stupid to have them compete against one another because one group is always going to have an advantage (on average). If you let men do women's swimming it will turn into men's swimming 2 because it will be primarily made up of men instead of women. - Octanum, on 12/30/2008, -1/+6*pictures another digg article debating whether or not digg is sexist*
- HalsMyPal, on 12/30/2008, -0/+5i think it depends on the sport.
for the physical sports like football or boxing where part of the sport is physical interaction there is no possible way.
but i am a swimmer and if women start being able to do the same times as men i have no problem swimming the lane next to a woman. but they haven't, and until they do we only swim practice together.
but i think it will change depending on sport. look at golf, it has a clear cut scoring system and there are women out there who can do just as good as men from the same tees, i am pretty sure there have already been calls for the integration of golf. - SasquatchBill, on 12/30/2008, -1/+6I apologize for my lack of apostrophes.
- mikepictor, on 12/30/2008, -0/+5Because no male teams have petitioned to be allowed to compete.
- carolinax, on 12/30/2008, -1/+6You must be an incredibly lonely man.
- mikepictor, on 12/30/2008, -0/+4Um...maybe you aren't following along. They aren't allowed to even try and qualify. That's the issue.
- vtnerd, on 12/30/2008, -0/+4Interesting if true. I searched and found nothing, but I didn't look too hard.
- publishcron, on 12/30/2008, -0/+4or in a submarine
- oboshoe, on 12/30/2008, -0/+4some dude.
- aethelberga, on 12/30/2008, -2/+6Actually I think the host country can add one or two sports per Olympiad at their own discretion, which is how crap like ballroom dancing gets in.
- mikepictor, on 12/30/2008, -0/+3ratings doesn't define whether a sport is performed in the olympics. Build it, and they will come. Present a good team, build a culture wherby other teams show to compete, and viewers will follow.
- danwallace, on 12/30/2008, -0/+3IT'S SO MUCH ***** BETTER THAN PAPER TOWELS.
- ahhell, on 12/30/2008, -2/+5I got something she can jump on.
- SupaDawg, on 12/30/2008, -0/+3Should have brought in the guys that handled the Calgary Olympics. We're completely recovered.
- TsuruchiBrian, on 12/30/2008, -0/+3Let her and all other women who qualify compete in the men's ski jump.
Problem solved. That's not just equality, it's real equality.
This seems to be one of those sports where you don't need to be really strong to be good at it. So there doesn't seem to be any reason to have separate men's and women's events. For example: Why the hell do we still have separate men's and women's pool? - reaper527, on 12/30/2008, -0/+3speaking of olympics and trampolines, since when was trampoline a summer olympic sport?
- reaper527, on 12/30/2008, -0/+2whats wrong with that? the olympics are great (even though summer olympics are better)
- Fozefy, on 12/30/2008, -2/+4But technically it seems VANOC could still allow women into the men's competition, which sounds like it would be a good compromise.
- DivisibleByZero, on 12/30/2008, -1/+3Ski jumping seems like it would mostly boil down to weight and wind resistance rather than skill. Don't see why you could say it's discrimination to let men and women compete each other, but not say it's discrimination to let tall and short men compete against each other.
- inactive, on 12/30/2008, -0/+2a trampoline?
- Stupidumb, on 12/30/2008, -1/+3I'm glad it persists, it's my favorite event!
- SasquatchBill, on 12/30/2008, -1/+3It really is quite stupid that they aren't allowed to compete, when other sports that are less 'visible' are given a chance. I've been skiing and coaching for years... WTF is ski-cross?
Let them compete! It will add at least one more cute athlete I get to watch on TV. - diemunkiesdie, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1It's discrimination if they don't let them compete WITH the men, in the same event. If men and women routinely compete against each other then the IOC can't just make the sport men only. They should allow them women into the qualifying rounds. If they make it, good for them. If they don't, then they can't complain, it's their own fault.
- bhuntsbarger, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1True, but with all sports its about money. If the public wont watch it, it wont be around. Olympics doesnt have far to go, nobody watches it much anymore. I would rather watch season 4 of Road Rules, than to watch the WNBA.
- AbsurdParadox, on 12/30/2008, -4/+5I consider this to be one of the largest misunderstandings in our modern world: An individual never has a right to services/products provided by another person.
Even if they were denying someone based on the fact that they're female, it would not be a violation of anyone's rights. And in fact, forcing a business owner to cater to someone is a violation of the rights of the business owner.
For example, laws not allowing people to run a "Whites Only" business is a violation of the rights of the business owner.
Disclaimer: I would never run a race-based business, as its despicable and illogical. Anyone attempting to do so (even without such laws) would quickly go out of business due to boycotting.
For a better explanation than mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM - Fixhotep, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1Ah :( The article on NPR said it was a world record, even talked to the officials that were there to witness and confirm it.
- Scrappy1850, on 12/30/2008, -3/+4i didnt say to ban the sport. it has just been that it's not worthy of the olympics. they can compete still and grow support by other means and when the sport is cool enough to be included then the IOC can look at it again. not everyone deserves a chance. the sport has to earn a spot on an already tightly packed schedule
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