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Pastor had sex with daughters to teach them to be good wives

smh.com.au — A fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard. The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture.

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  • HMTKSteve, on 10/10/2007, -2/+201So, how many lessons did it take and what did his wife have to say about this?
    • SuperWinner, on 10/10/2007, -16/+11Hallelujah !
      • Charlotte_Web, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14FTA:

        "In sentencing, Judge David Lovell said the misrepresentation of scripture used to justify the abuse of the girls "defied belief", and that he had "hypocritically betrayed" his religion and principles."
        • bruenig, on 10/10/2007, -16/+2Misinterpretation? So judges get to decide what the bible means?
          • Charlotte_Web, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Funny, I thought that's what judges did... decide what stuff means...
    • Boofster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30The wife probably taught them how to be better wives to women.
    • Fozefy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30"Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and the church remained supportive."

      Obviously his wife condoned this.
      • smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27i wonder if the entire church knew about it too. if they actually followed the preachings of a guy who rapes his children, perhaps the entire town needs therapy, or at least there needs to be some kind of further investigation of the church community to make sure that there's no other ***** up ***** going on. after all, morality has proven to be culturally subjective and i'd highly question the moral culture of their church community since a child rapist was their moral/religious leader.
        • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3The entire church? What is that supposed to mean? If one person does something like this, should everyone who is a Christian automatically know and support such an act? If so, how?
          • Jebral, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9His church... the like the building, idiot.
        • CaptainZipTie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Adelaide isn't a town, while not big city (1.5 million people in fact), it is no town.
          So trying to involve the whole "town" would be rather hard.
      • jsmith39, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Ahh, putting the fun back into fundamentalism.
      • sophiaperennis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Obviously, this man is a complete disgrace to whatever form of religion he's pretending to uphold. Crazies like this, are the stronghold that provide ample cannon-fodder for those who oppose organized religion, and in his case, rightly so.
    • kindassassin96, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13I'd digg you up but you have 69 diggs..... let's not ruin it
    • themastersb, on 10/10/2007, -13/+2I'm going to have to remember this method of teaching.
      • t0ny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Sick
        • darkkosmos, on 10/10/2007, -11/+1If you think this is sick then check out the muslim countries, it's even legal there
          • jsmith39, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6*****
          • shinynew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1if you are talking about the firebrand countries like Saudi Arabia, not much is illegal, but you are ***** if the religious police catch you doing anything they dont what you doing.
        • eigenvalue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11which countries are you referring to? if you are pointing a finger please be more specific!!! rather than repeating what they teach you at your local KKK meetings.
          • meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7"repeating what they teach you at your local KKK meetings"

            Maybe he watches Fox news but then I'm not sure which i'm more disgusted at
    • jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8WWJD
    • PinkBlast, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9If she were my mum I'd pop a cap in her head
      Allowing that to happen to her daughters and remaining SUPPORTIVE of her husband makes her as dirty and pathetic as him
      • Waterrat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7 BOTH of them deserve to be put away for a long,long time.
    • Monar87, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and the church remained supportive."

      It looks like she doesn't really care but I'm sure any other woman would have been really pissed.
  • CrimsonBlur, on 10/10/2007, -24/+202Well, that sounds like a perfectly rational explanation... religion kicks ass.
    • xoxuxox, on 10/10/2007, -15/+75Like an atheist hasn't used The Origin of Species to justify having sex with his teenage daughters. And that's why evolution is wrong. As is sarcasm.
      • Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -32/+7"Like an atheist hasn't used The Origin of Species to justify having sex with his teenage daughters"...

        ...What?
        • Virak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+42Whoosh!
        • piccols8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+36Ever heard of sarcasm? He even friggin' said it in his post!
          • Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1But sarcasm is wrong. He even friggin' said it in his post! (Ever heard of sarcasm?)
    • shacknasty, on 10/10/2007, -32/+1URL to back that up? No, didnt think so... But you sure dont have to look very hard to find other similar crimes where religion has been used as an excuse.
      • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8URL to back that up? The internet is now the final and ultimate truth in everything?
        • Darkhacker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You must be new here.
          • MalenfantX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1New, loud, and really, really let down by his educators. Or a pretty good troll.
    • Boofster, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Praise the lord! :p
    • JackOCat, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4I'm not a theologists but if you follow the bible, would not Adam and Eve's children have to have committed insest. Though I guess it was academic because no one saw heaven until Judas took one for the team and turned in Jesus so he could ascend and open the gates.
      • Kaosu, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2If you follow the bible you know that incest was the only way to procreate early on and thus it was fine. Once the populous was big enough, God disallowed it by creating a high-rate of birth defects in babies created in incest. If not for this medical issue, I believe incest would not be taboo today.
        • Waterrat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5God created birth defects?
          Do you REALLY believe God created birth defects!?
          Good grief,who makes up this nonsense!?
          BTW,birth defects are NOT always caused by incest...if such was the case,endangered species like the Calf. condor could not have been saved.
          And line breeding could not occur thus we could not have all the types of dogs we have now.

        • Infidelephant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, God knows that I just got more retarded reading your post!
      • Odlid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Praise Judas?
      • UwasaWaya, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0...wait, are you offering a counter-arguement that this was a GOOD thing he did?
    • ambiescent, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Afaik, there was no indication that God did or did not create any more humans after Adam & Eve. It could've been that they were having children with people that were created after the first two. (but then again I'm no theologist either!)
      • rnewson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Why would a theologists guess be any better than yours?
    • annenk38, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Noah would be proud.
      • Tzvi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Why exactly would Noah be proud?
        • ryanlynds, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0cause he was incested by one of his sons, up the bum region
  • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/10/2007, -8/+40Nice save. And in Australia? It just might work...
    • PinkBlast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thats comment of yours is devastating but seeing how corrupt and pathetic our legal system is... i wouldn't doubt it : [
  • Monolith4, on 10/10/2007, -15/+180ROFL, he gets to bang his 2 teenage daughters for 10 years and he only gets 4 years in prison? Nice...
    • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -7/+85Why is Monolith4 being dugg down? This pastor is a paedophile who had sex with his own daughters, yet only serves a minimum of four years.
      • euphemizeme, on 10/10/2007, -2/+43He got dugg down because people couldn't tell if, by "nice", he literally meant that it was worth it.
        • MalenfantX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I expect it was worth it to the pedophile. It's a very light sentence for something most people disapprove so strongly of.
      • smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -7/+5well, if he's not likely to repeat the crime, then he really doesn't need to serve any time at all, just needs therapy. it might not seem fair, but our justice system is there to protect people, not to hand out punishment or carry out retribution/vengeance. i know that many people have a vindictive attitude towards criminals, and many people see the justice system as there to punish wrong-doers and "bad" people, but besides being self-righteous and morally questionable, this also undermines the rehabilitative role of our corrections system, and it wastes tax dollars to keep people locked up unnecessarily.
        • H0tKarl, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Fine, shoot the ***** then.
          • Ranneko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Capitol Punishment does not exist in Australia. It was abolished a fair while ago.
        • Aily, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10So, if I go on a killing spree, killing of hundreds of people, then showing up in the court, acting all remorseful, I don't need to go to jail since I'm obviously not likely to repeat the crime. I just need some therapy.Yeah...
        • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Some people don't abstain from crime because they're morally virtuous; they do so because they realise the penalty if caught isn't worth the risk. If we're to say every criminal needs only to be rehabilitated, then there's little incentive for these people to obey the law. Sorry, but society demands punishments be handed down not only to act as a deterrent, but to protect the public.

          I'm not really a fan of life sentences, but it's been conclusively shown that paedophiles are repeat offenders. They cannot suppress their attraction to children any more than a heterosexual man can suppress his attraction to women. Paedophiles who molest or have sex with children present a continuous risk to the public. They're essentially rapists who are attracted not to women, but children. Yes, they need help, and I sympathise with those who struggle against what they feel, but the risk of them reoffending is simply too great.

          This pastor is clearly a threat to children. He is a paedophile who had sex with two of his own under-age daughters. Four years is a joke. Life would be appropriate.
        • fxspec06, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2@smackhero
          HEY, *****! EVER HEARD OF 'CRIME AND PUNISHMENT'? This man needs to be punished for his crime. The entire justice system is based on punishment for your crimes.
        • Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Wow, just what kind of tree-hugger are you.... maybe you're a tree lover.
    • robbie32, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21Nice? NO! SICK!!!
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19"Gets" to? That only works if it's, "he gets to bang his 2 teenage daughters' friends," and his teenage daughters' friends are 18+
    • shacknasty, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Also, the fact that he used the word 'gets', like as blairgoss pointed out, has some certain connotations around it when used in that context.
    • subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5yeah . . . nice . . .
    • CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I'm thinking South Park reference, no?
    • Fozefy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Ya, and if someone other then their father had done the same thing once, they would get 15 years...in the US anyways. Something doesn't seem quite right here...
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Is that true? Incest + Statutory Rape should be worth more than just Statutory rape. That's disgusting.
    • scojerroc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+58you can't bang a teenager for ten years.... think about it.
      • trenchfever, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6you could bang them for ten years worth
      • fxspec06, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2For anyone who doesn't understand it right away: you don't become a teenager till you're past the age of twelve.
      • Cglass, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2well since they were different ages, presumably it could have gone on for 10 while 1 was still a teen
        • UwasaWaya, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Very economical. It just takes careful planning of time and whatnot. Gotta squeeze the most out of them and all.
    • fredwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0no, you can not for ten years. but incase you know nothing about abuse, it has nothing to do with age or willingness, its power. if the daughters felt they were powerless at age 20, they were still abused. what if it was your sister? would you be so condesending then.
    • jasonliman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't worry, he will get 4 years of anal sex, EVERY SINGLE DAY, ONE BY ONE, AGAIN AND AGAIN.
  • thenativeraver, on 10/10/2007, -15/+18What would Joe Smith do?
    • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8Keep them as wives.
      • DarthMalcontent, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Start a new church that allows him to keep them as wives.
  • syroncoda, on 10/10/2007, -43/+182"his church and his wife remained supportive".

    sick *****. every single dirty one of them. and who says religion is a good thing?
    • Akaji, on 10/10/2007, -41/+40Yeah, I know, because atheists would never do the same thing...
      Yay for hasty generalization!
      • jedikv, on 10/10/2007, -11/+40"Yay for hasty generalization!"

        Its digg remember
      • Lyanto, on 10/10/2007, -9/+56This guy did it in the name of religion. I can't say I've ever heard anyone do something bizzare in the name of athiesm.
        • alpine75, on 10/10/2007, -15/+6Really? like, um, kill millions of people and sentence them to years in the gulag?
          • krakdaddy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't think I'd mind being sentenced to years in a gulag if I'd been killed already.
        • Aticper, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10not sure whether your talkign about stalin or hitler, but hitler was a christian, and Stalin was a dictator in the name of communism, not atheism.
          • archd3, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4even if hitler said he was a christian, that did not make him one. his genocide also was not based on a religious belief, but a personal one.
          • Smills, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I can talk ***** too, look: "even if stalin said he was an atheist, that did not make him one."
          • Pureeviljester, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2a bad person is a bad person no matter what religion they claim.
        • gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6You mean besides put theists down, as if atheism is somehow a better belief than any other religion, while preaching tolerance and being a hypocrite? Wake up and smell the Digg, man.
          • Infidelephant, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Um, atheism IS a better belief than any other religion.

            One is based on cross-corroborative scientific EVIDENCE - the other on ignorance and superstition.

            There, I said it.
        • ThE0eNiGmA, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3@ alpine75: Are you sure that was in the name of atheism, or Stalin's personal power consolidation? Seemed more political to me.
          • ChildeRoland420, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Was this guy raping in the name of religion or just his own pleasure? Sounds like a BS excuse to me.
        • gemmakicn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0How about staying in bed on a sunday moring, some people call that crazy...
      • gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -16/+9Digg is a breeding ground for hasty, unsupported, ignorant, pointless, and often downright stupid, generalizations, typically created by hypocritical, immature morons with internet connections supplied by their high-school/college libraries. Do what I do, and just suppress your rage (it's a good solution until it catches up to you suddenly, but hopefully that won't be for a while).
      • PinkBlast, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Excuse me?

        Church goers represent faithful followers to the morale outlined in the Bible...
        Atheists do not.

        That is why syroncoda finds the fact that a pastor of a church, of all people, happened to continually have sex with his own two daughters, and even more hypocritical, that the church continues to support him!!
      • shinynew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well actually he was doing it in the name of teaching them to be good wives.

        But, Atheism doesn't promote not killing anyone, raping, etc. Infact it doesn't promote anything but believing there is no god or creator, so any religious person doing bad ***** (see rapeing children for ten years) they are being hypocrites also, an atheist isnt, just a bad person
    • ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -26/+9well if your atheist, why exactly is this a bad thing? according to atheism didnt he just score?
      • yonah, on 10/10/2007, -17/+6haha, good point
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33What, because Athiests have no morals and standards at all? Just because you don't believe in god or believe there is no god does not mean you are a terrible person!
        • archd3, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1by what standards is someone considered a "good person"? where is the cutoff between good person and bad? Just something to think about...
        • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Who defines your rules? You? Then if everyone gets to define what is right and what is wrong, then if by my own moral standards that I set... I have done nothing wrong if I choose to take you out right? Who's standards/morals are right, mine or yours? Why? If everyone makes their own morals, then who is right and who is wrong?
          • TheMonarch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You are free to choose your own morals, but that doesn't mean others have to agree with them.
      • subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20according to athiesm, he should be locked up because incestuous pregnancies often result in genetic disorders, which hurts humanity in the long term
        • mexicanman07, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4but as long as he kills the babies he is ok
          • Smills, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That is the taking of an innocent human's life. Not deemed socially acceptable to atheists.
          • trenchfever, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't know about others, but I can appreciate family values, relationships and other abstract beautiful emotions. Just because I'm a disbeliever of god doesn't mean I'm some sort of emotionless lifeform.
        • unknownsoldierX, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Science and human history says inbreeding causes genetic disorders. Atheism != science, dumbass.
        • shadomynd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6@unknownsoldierX
          Atheists tend to be supportive of science, and often rely on it.
        • MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Uh, I don't think genetic disorders are the only reasons not to ***** your daughters...
          • Smills, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I don't think rules in a book called the bible are the only reasons either.
        • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What does a lack of belief in God have to do with genetic disorders. A Christian knows that just as well as an atheist... What makes you think you are any better? This guy used his religion as an excuse. The religion is obviously against this, so he is going against his own religion.
        • unknownsoldierX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Well, how about "According to Atheism, it is unwise to stick your finger into a live electrical outlet." My point was that Atheism has nothing to do with it. There is no Atheistic view on incest, besides that of common sense.
      • Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Atheism doesn't cover his actions, it just says that there's no god.

        Common sense says he's a sick ***** though.
      • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1@ shadomynd "Atheists tend to be supportive of science, and often rely on it."

        No, atheists look at the evidence in a different way than the creationists. There are Christian scientists, and there are atheist scientists. It's called "World View."

        • Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There are Christian scientists and atheist scientist and there is very little difference between then other than their religious views. Their views on the big bang and evolution will be largely the same.

          Then there are creationists who pretend to be scientists. They don't view the evidence differently, they disregard it, lie about it, or are just in denial about it.
      • Rizaus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Atheist tend to believe in evolution. That also includes keeping the gene pool diverse.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13"The Salvation Army, an international movement, is an evangelical part of the universal Christian Church. Its message is based on the Bible. Its ministry is motivated by the love of God. Its mission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to meet human needs in His name without discrimination." ***** Salvation Army, those bastards. Religion never does anything good!
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -7/+7Wow way to come back at a troll. Of course religion does good things. That doesn't make it all right when bad people use it to do bad things.
        • tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Yes, and he generalized all religion off of this one nutcase. That's my point. I'm not saying all Christianity has ever done is good because the Salvation Army rocks; nor should he say "who says religion is a good thing" based on this guy.
    • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Religion is what religion is. A set of teachings, doctrines and rules, always subject to interpretation. It's what the people do that matters, not the religion. This man is twisted and deserves to be punished. If his interpretation of the rules was actually what he claims it to be, then he's sadly mistaken. Likely, it's a cover for his own perverse desires. The rest of the people "supporting" him probably knew about it and didn't have the courage to do otherwise, so they diluted themselves into believing his nonsense. Words in a book never MADE anyone do anything. Don't forget who bears the responsibility here.
      • fatesdefiance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Best comment on religion I've ever seen on Digg. I'm surprised it hasn't been buried yet since you didn't simply bash religion unreservedly as most here seem to.
    • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Even as an atheist/agnostic I find your statement too generalizing. Sure, it's fun to bash on fundies and the creationist museum, but religion does spawn a lot of good works. Help in Africa, for example.

      I'm not saying that religion is needed for morals but "and who says religion is a good thing?" is kinda wrong.
      • southwo9, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3/sarcasm?

        Surely they're not helping the aids epidemic in africa with their lies about condoms......
      • ElwoodHerring, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You can do "good works" and even "help in Africa" without being religious. I myself sponsored a child in Africa for 10 years - and I'm an atheist. Religion on its own has no merit whatsoever, in fact its effect is more often negative than positive. Learn to do good for non-religious reasons which as far as I'm concerned is a much better outlook.
        • rkritzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, but through what organization do you sponsor a child in Africa? My guess is it's a Christian organization. The way I see it, a group of organized people with a similar set of beliefs is the only way to get a monumental effort like that off the ground.
      • gmprunner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Holy cow, a smart Atheist! Sound the alarms!
    • KeepSwinging, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1before anyone continues to digg up syroncoda, they're supportive of him during the trial/jail time, not his actions against his daughters. Still not that great of a choice but a lot better what his comment implies.
    • tony134340, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Religion is bad because it blindly flows regardless of time/situation. I will be the first to say the bible does contain a long, healthy life, for the most part. But in this day and age, it's not what the world needs. People need to die because overpopulation is a big problem. If the populace isn't lessened or act wiser about it's environment, then our future generations may not exist at all. Time to start pulling teeth. It's for the better.
    • mahdaeng, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This isn't really about religion, though, it's about a lunatic and his interpretation of religion.
  • richgustavson, on 10/10/2007, -7/+77Lock that ***** up.
  • Bara, on 10/10/2007, -39/+17What's with all the anti-religious comments? Just because he's a pastor? What he did was wrong and ***** up whether he was a pastor or not, so what does this have to do with religion?
    • cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -7/+351. It's the inherint hypocrisy of the situation. He claims to be teaching his daughters to be good wives, by a practice that would not be considered acting as a good husband.

      2. It's considered abuse of a position of trust and responsibility.

      3. It's an abuse of his role as a trusted religious leader.

    • AnteChronos, on 10/10/2007, -5/+56"what does this have to do with religion?"

      How about this quote from the article: "The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture."

      The guy felt that his religion justified his actions. Possibly even *required* his actions. *That's* what it has to do with religion.
      • mjxl47, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1What I want to know is what religion this guy is. What kind of deranged freak is this guy and how did he become a "pastor"?
      • volnick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Correction: the guy *claimed* he felt that his religion justified his actions. I doubt he really thought that. He was just a corrupt pastor making excuses to get some ass. It's like the pastor's version of "I'll only put it in for a second".

        Side note: this guy's got issues, and I think he should be locked up. He is a failure at representing respectable religion.
        • smedrick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Read the bible...you'll find his justification in there.
  • gregsmamma, on 10/10/2007, -15/+77this wouldn't have even made it on here if "Pastor" wasn't in the title.
    • cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31You mean like the psychiatrist who took advantage of a woman with multiple personalities?
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19It's the fact that he used religion to do it that is relevant to him being a Pastor, that's why it's included. Are you saying a father raping his 13 and 15 year old daughters consistently for 10 years is not one of the nastiest things you have ever heard of? That it doesn't deserve to be news? He should get WAY more than 4 years. And his wife/church should NOT be supportive of him.
    • Whackly, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9So are you saying this is discrimination against pastors? I don't think it is. I think it's discrimination against hypocrites, especially those who would hide behind the bible while they do hideous and evil things (a common practice among politicians here in the U.S.).
    • fredwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Pastors, teachers, parents, politicians, ets. are in a position of power. Pedophiles and child molesters use that position to take advantage of people. For that reason it should be noted that he is a pastor. Quit defending pedophiles and start thinking about the victims who have a lifetime of therapy. What if it was YOUR dad and PASTOR who raped you. Think about how you looked to them for guidance. Now think about how ***** your life would be if they raped you.
  • mishabear, on 10/10/2007, -5/+107For those who need an explanation: In the US, when one is "religious" it is implied that they believe themselves to be moral. They are seen as self-righteous because they believe their faith makes them moral. A pastor is supposed to be a beacon of morality thus the hypocracy of his actions is even more pronounced. To have the support of his church and wife makes them hypocritical and "sick" as well.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/10/2007, -7/+9Really? I don't ever recall this guy coming to my house and telling me that he is better than me because he has faith.
      • Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3"I don't ever recall this guy coming to my house"

        Yes, because his name and identify is withheld and currently secret.

        Of course, if you are routinely prone to burst of psychic insight, then I suppose I could see why you might feel confused.
    • Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15I was totally reading what you wrote until I misread "beacon of morality" as "bacon of morality"....then I got sidetracked. I love bacon.
    • subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7instead, he came to your computer screen and told you he screwed his daughters because the bible told him to
    • temugen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Actually I've had plenty of religious folk come to my door and tell me they're better because they have faith :p
      • volnick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Those are Jehovah's Witnesses....they don't count.
        • shinynew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I believe the Jehovah Witnesses are much like the zerg.
      • MalenfantX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Don't worry. Being superstitious doesn't actually make them better...just a bit slow.
    • eatbeefjerky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1This particular guy did not come to my house and tell me he was better than me because of his religion, but when you consider that most if not all religious people (NOT just Christians) feel that to be moral you must follow the teachings of a deity or religious icon... it basically makes its own point.
    • ClOlD, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Aren't most religious folks (well, I mean christians, coming from the US) hypocrites anyway? Thou shall not kill? Sure! Vote for those supporting the death penalty? Why not?! It's not ME doing the killing.
    • ElwoodHerring, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0What's wrong with being moral merely because you believe it's the right way to behave - and leave religion out of the equation altogether? I don't have to rely on a book to tell me how to live my life - I instinctively know. Doesn't that make me even more "moral" than those who do good only because a 2000 year old book tells them to, or because they think they will go to hell if they don't? Think about it.
      • MalenfantX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Yes. You behave well because you want to. Many religious people do so out of fear. It is nice that religion keeps those people in check.
    • mahdaeng, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wrong. Religiosity and morality are two completely different concepts - although they are normally, and under ideal circumstances, found together. Extreme religiosity is the same thing that causes the immoral killings performed by fanatic Muslims.
  • ussoldier, on 10/10/2007, -36/+4thats why i had sex with my daughters... your point being?
  • ElBruelsio, on 10/10/2007, -8/+29This is the most awful and disgusting thing I have ever heard.
    • ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10read the comment above you
    • potp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Hi. Welcome to the Internet. A lot more weird ***** awaits you. enjoy.
      • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Follow the road straight, and take a left at the goatse.
    • volnick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So.....I'm guessing you haven't seen tubgirl?
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I can handle that stuff. It's gross, but it's not hurting people really. It doesn't make me want to punch the ***** out of somebody.
        • H0tKarl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Oh yeah? Try and google "lemonparty".
  • Brad324, on 10/10/2007, -3/+211Just wait until Bubba teaches the pastor how to be a good inmate
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29This would be an example of good humor.
    • PinkBlast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Good Call haha
    • fredwood, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1That's the best damn thing about the justice system. The justice that prisoners take on child molesters is awesome. ***** love it.
  • andrewcsayer, on 10/10/2007, -10/+10god damn south australians
  • justinjstark, on 10/10/2007, -16/+39Pics or it didn't happen.
    • MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0Yes.
    • databoy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Australia is not a Yanky banana republic. I live in Australia. There are strict media reporting laws in Australia and heavy penalties for misrepresentation.
      • Odlid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2WTF? Where did that come from?
      • rkritzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's "Yankee", by the way. Just shows how much you know about America.
    • Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Just how much of an idiot are you?
    • Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Just how much of an idiot are you?
  • humpy, on 10/10/2007, -16/+6Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy.
    • Lixie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Adam Carolla doesn't get enough respect.
  • MassiveTaTas, on 10/10/2007, -18/+26I'm praying to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to smite this douchebag!
  • reeder, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31People like that need it chopped off so they can't damage anyone else. You lost your penis rights pal.
    • J4k3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1We know it's hard for you to admit being sexually abused, but please try to keep your panties dry.
    • rkritzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey! Biblical justification for that comment!: Mark 9:43: If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
  • YoungMaster, on 10/10/2007, -6/+36Sentenced to 8 1/2 years with the eligibility for parole after four years. WTF? Give the ***** life.
    • AwesomePossum, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Jail for a pedofile is 10 times worse than a regular inmate. He'll be lucky if he's even breathing by then.
      • shacknasty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Fingers crossed...
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I sure hope so. 4 years is waaaayyy too little.
      • Pureeviljester, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1from the show Prison Break it looks like they run the place
    • faskippy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+230 days in the electric chair.
  • zardoz73, on 10/10/2007, -12/+109A fundamentalist Christian sex scandal? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.
    • jedikv, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2Bioshocked?
    • mjxl47, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4Whoever ever said this guy was a fundamentalist Christian? It just says that he is a pastor. For all we know he could be the pastor of the Universal Have Sex with your Daughter Church of Jesus Christ of our Saints, or something along those lines.
      • BigBrother87, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Umm, the description starts with "A fundamentalist church pastor..."
      • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Pretty sure the word Pastor is used exclusively in the Christian Church. Wikipedia backs me up on this: A pastor is an elder of a Christian church.
        If it was a different religion, they would have used another term. The fundamentalist part does come from the article though.
        • mjxl47, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Meriam Webster defines pastor as a: spiritual overseer; especially : a clergyman serving a local church or parish
          It says nothing about exclusive rights to a certain religion. I'm going to have to go with webster on this one. But this is all a side-note. What he did was deplorable and that's the bottom line. I don't know what religion he ascribes to, but it's pretty ridiculous and cowardly to claim that "the scriptures told him to" to cover his tracks.
      • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If an atheist raped someone for the same reason (he wanted to have sex with his children) he would not get the same publicity. Would it be just as wrong? I think so. This guy needs locked up for life and his genitals removed, yes... But don't blame it on religion. His religion doesn't teach this... This was his sick and twisted idea to have some sex with the kiddies.
        • Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What are you babbling about, ever read the Bible??? I can think of one example of incest off the of my head...
        • rkritzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Yeah, Genesis 19:30-36, the story of Lot and his daughters getting him drunk and seducing him so they could preserve their family line. Each daughter had a son: Moab and Ben-Ammi. Moab became the founder of the Moabites, and Ben-Ammi became the founder of the Ammonites. Both nations ended up either being idol-worshippers or polytheists. Thus, the Bible teaches specifically against incest.
    • Lixie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I need to call my priest. What's Ted Haggard's number?
  • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/10/2007, -9/+32I guess the next time we hear a story about a teacher who has an affair with a student, we can just assume Education is the problem.
    • pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20depends, did the teacher do it in the name of education? do they claim that anyone who doesn't support their version of education is immoral and will go to hell?
      • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7it doesnt depend on anything!
        if the teacher says it was in the name of education then you say STFU and throw em in jail!

        Same goes for a dumbass who says it is in the name of religion!
      • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7They go to "Eternal Detention."
      • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2He did it to teach daughters to be good wives... (He really did it because he wanted to have sex with his daughters) He didn't do it for Jesus Christ or religion.
        • MalenfantX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's important to understand that religion is a scam. The supernatural is entirely the product of the human imagination, and can be used to justify pretty much anything to ignorant people.

          Tough break for this pastor that people aren't as ignorant as they used to be and religious misleaders can now be held accountable for their crimes.

          If we're lucky one day all the conmen that take money to preach to fools about a reward after you die will be prosecuted for fraud.
    • Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7No, this guy actually stated that he did it for religious and educational reasons. It's not some "ZOMG PASTOR MEENS HE DO IT FOR TEH RELIGIONS!!!" thing like your comment implies.
    • negativenancy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7This is just another case of people abusing a cause in order to justify their actions through it. For example, I can shoot a random person on the street and say it was in the name of religion, does that immediately invalidate religion as a whole? Should we disregard it and scorn it because of this accusation? For all we know the pastor knew this was wrong the entire time and made up this ***** excuse to lay blame to a greater power. It's not necessarily the religion's fault moreso as it is the people who abuse it to obtain their own ends. Really, anything can be used as an excuse, but that doesn't mean we grant the excuse any weight. The pastor could've thought of this ***** excuse on the way to court.

      Misinterpretation is the biggest problem here.

      But, back on topic... were the daughters hot? Need pics before judgment.
      • volnick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I went on a killing spree in the name of Digg. It was Digg's fault, not mine.
    • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Thank you DRINKxREDxBULL. Someone needed to say that.
  • euphemizeme, on 10/10/2007, -3/+38"...to teach them to be good wives"
    What if it worked?
    • shacknasty, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Using rape to 'train' a 'wife' is sick on so many levels. The only thing that would have 'worked' is destroying those girls lives. How will they be able to trust anyone, ever?
      • euphemizeme, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6party pooper
      • jbennett1128, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Statuatory rape. There's a big difference. Stat rape is consentual. And his daughters continued well past the age of 18.
      • annenk38, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I think Jesus said what goes into you does not defile you, it's what comes out of you that defiles you.
    • ionchannels, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3That's one of the funniest comments I've ever read on Digg
    • MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Dugg, because that's the kind of ***** up way that I think, too.
  • firewolf223, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23I think his family and church are supportive of the rehabilitation, not his actions
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I would not be considered "supportive" of anything relating to that sick ***** right now. I'm surprised the wife didn't immediately apply for a divorce and move with her daughters away from that *****.
      • blumph, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1pretty sure that mindset is why the US prisons are so ***** full right now. rehabilitation is better than locking somebody away IMHO
    • rdnkjdi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Call me a cynic...some things you don't "rehabilitate" from. Sleeping with your daughters for ten years...ya, that's one of 'em.
  • iamdan1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Ah good wives have sex in sheds and trucks. Just makes the story sounds even sicker.
  • uziko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Sick *****.
    • blackjack75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Technically if he was a ***** he wouldn't be in so much trouble. The ***** is the illegal bit.
  • keithsmills, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Let me guess... he never had an orgasm.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
    • DarthMalcontent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, of course he did. How else would they know if they were doing it right?
  • gthyb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I love how digg's contextual ads were both about dating and love.
    • databoy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Fairfax who owns the newspaper owns RSVP, Australia's largest online dating service.
  • pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+46couldn't he have just gotten them some cooking lessons?
  • Bipedal, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4Isn't all religion kind of like this anyway? How else can we explain all the pastors and young boys getting frisky by the holy water?
  • smurf22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Sex in a shear shed, yea thats not a lessons thats a pedophile and a fantasy. Also for a decade? How long of a lesson does that have to be?
    • bmnrocks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Actually I'm pretty sure that they were past puberty and were capable to conceive a baby, so he was not being a pedophile. Biologically they were both adults, 5000+ species of living mammals can't be wrong.
      • alexkorova, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"5000+ species of living mammals can't be wrong."
        Ehm, yes they can, or well, at least they can do a lot of actions that I do not think is correct for a human being. Like killing each others, raping etc etc etc.
  • rdnkjdi, on 10/10/2007, -7/+42At the last "fundamental" church I went to...

    A.) One of the preachers had raped his daughter, was a registered sex offender, and got caught working with all the bus kids several times.
    B.) This preacher's son...another married fella who felt called to preach...ADMITTED to having affairs with two underage girls. One was 14.
    C.) The pastor lied about his martial status for fifteen years.
    D.) Most of the congregation shrugged it all off.

    Much as this should shock and infuriate me, it doesn't do much to surprise me. I wonder if they were Independent Baptists?
    • mjxl47, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2That's disgusting. And quite pitiful. How do these people become pastors,and better yet, who hires a registered sex offender to be their pastor? I can understand loving someone through their problems, but that doesn't mean you should let them be your church leader.
      • rdnkjdi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Well, he wasn't a pastor...just one of the preachers, like an associate pastor. Oh yeah, & the pastor's son was a gay porn star who'd been in trouble for indecent exposure...and he randomly showed up @ a SS function one day. I know I'm forgetting other stuff, but I can't remember what.
    • H0tKarl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Dude, you seriously suck at picking churches.
    • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Proof or it's just more propaganda.
    • bloggerjul, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0f*cking hypocrites
    • HautePie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2a) What is a 'fundamental' church then?

      b) Lied about his martial status? Like claiming he had a black belt when really he was only yellow?

      Learn the vagaries of the English language before you talk ***** on the internet.
    • rdnkjdi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0[Quote]Proof or it's just more propaganda.[/Endquote]

      Here is the letter I sent to the men of the church who were putting up with everything...
      http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dccf8msk_14c8s4sg

      Here is the letter I sent to the DA...
      http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dccf8msk_15grxqjv

      Here is the letter I nearly sent to the local paper, and started posting around town...
      http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dccf8msk_27dvq398&hl=en

      If you want more proof, I'll post the newspaper articles about the dude who raped his daughter. Oh, and yeah, I DO suck at picking churches...
  • ween101, on 10/10/2007, -6/+16I hope he taught them to use lots of spit and don't neglect the boys
    • Touchy610, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1How the ***** are you getting dugg up? That's a disgusting thing to say.

      I don't care if it's humor, it's ***** distasteful humor.
  • nishay, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8parole in 4 years?
    hope he gets raped by a fat dude named Lenny everyday
    • ween101, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Lay off Lenny he has a thyroid problem
    • bmnrocks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Someone is not up on how rare rape is in modern prisons....
  • Zaetha, on 10/10/2007, -0/+46FTA "The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named,..."
    Voldemort a pedophile? Well, he hangs out with those Hogwarts kids a lot...
    • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6A lot of funny comments on the page, but you gave me the first real "lol".

      Props.
    • ClOlD, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Maybe you can't name him in Australia, but me, I'm not in Australia. Most of you, too. Anyone know it?
  • drmangrum, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Cover the bastard in A1 and leave him for the dingos.
  • bpacana, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5CHOP HIS DICK OFF!!! SICK MOFO!
  • CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15"The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture."

    The man was just following his religious beliefs, there is no crime and should be no punishment - God is the ultimate authority. /sarcasm

    Seriously, he needs a 400lb cell mate with a 15" *****...
    • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think those were his personal beliefs, not his religious beliefs.
      • Touchy610, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1He made them seem as though they were religious in nature, though.

        "...as dictated in Scripture."
  • manti5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It doesn't really mention if the daughters were opposed to this, I think they would eventually catch on. Unless they were so sheltered that they thought "gee my dad's dick is inside me, hooray!"
    • MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I also wondered how they felt about it. I can't imagine they were too enthusiastic, but then again stranger things have happened.
    • bmnrocks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I mean it went on for ~10yrs, so if they objected, I bet it would have come out a lot sooner.
      • Waterrat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4 They were probabaly threatened or felt too ashamed/disgusted to confess as molesters tent to taint their sick behavior by telling the child it's their fault.
  • sctwp09, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Videos or it didn't happen
    We all know pics can be photoshopped.
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2you deserve to be right there with him.
    • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1You're almost as sick and twisted as him. Child porn with incest. I say we lock you up too. Pedophile.
  • seomike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Can we say wolf in sheep's clothing....
  • OokieWonderslug, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13I have heard of this happening in West Virginia before. People get arrested for it all the time. When I was 17 I had a girlfriend who admitted to me that her dad had done that to her when she was 13. She wasn't the only one to tell me that. I'm glad I don't live there anymore.
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4***** CALL THE COPS ON THAT ***** BEFORE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS EXPIRES!!! He needs to be put in prison!!!
      • bmnrocks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3In all reality, if she is of age, it's her own ***** business to report it, not yours
        • mikesum32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Tying this to West Virginia is a hackneyed and ignorant grasp at low hanging fruit. You can do better. I'm sure it happens here, but only as much as it happens anywhere else in the U.S.A.
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Isn't the WV saying something like "If she ain't good enough for her own family, she ain't good enough for ours!" (or something like that?)
  • sully213, on 10/10/2007, -8/+16Pics of the daughters?
  • RollFizzlebeef, on 10/10/2007, -14/+20Are the daughters hot?
  • Starfoxy7, on 10/10/2007, -10/+5I can't believe any of you are sick enough to look at this guy with anything resembling envy. 'Getting' to act out a horrific perversion that will traumatize your daughters isn't something any sane person would want to do.

    That anyone would openly (even anonymously on the internet) admit to thinking this guy got a great deal makes me nauseous.
  • HastyBoom, on 10/10/2007, -4/+35HOLY *****! (pun intended)
  • subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8"they had been bad girls lately, and i just wanted to ***** the hell out of them"
  • theNazz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18He only had sex with them from the time they were 15 to the time they were almost 25. He was following the scripture damn it!
  • rjejr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Did it really never occur to the guy that there may not be a lot of guys out there who want to marry women who have been having sex with their daddy for 10 years? I think that pretty much kills the whole "it was for their own good" argument right there.
    • onewingedangel9, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3You shouldn't really even try to formulate an argument against his explanation because it lends it credability that it does not deserve.
    • SirSmash, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I dont think many people would admit it.
      • Waterrat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1 Well it's not going to be easy to keep THIS a secret.
    • brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6What ever happened to waiting until you are married like the Bible teaches?
      • dildoolielly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Christians have the largest divorce and abortion rates in the country. They also make up the majority of prison inmates.

        Now WTF were you saying again about the Bible "teaching" something, Corkey?
    • dildoolielly, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1"I'm a Go Daddy Girl!"
    • HautePie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0you might be surprised what some folk are in to...
  • skyfire1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2This made me quesy.
  • OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1See? This is what happens when you take the Bible seriously. I mean, REALLY seriously.
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