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- Llanowar, on 01/17/2009, -2/+160I love Sweden.
- hildenborg, on 01/18/2009, -0/+84I am from Sweden, and although I don't agree with the Pirate Party, I encourage them to keep on. Democracy is at it's best when people brings forth their oppinions. In Sweden, there is laws about political parties and that they should get economic support from the state, and it would not be right in a democracy not to give that economic support to a party just because that their oppinion is against the *current* law.
How could the laws in a country ever change if a party couldn't have oppinions against them? - TheIndigoSky, on 01/18/2009, -7/+68Someone tell 4chan to get into politics.
- inactive, on 01/17/2009, -2/+44
Ung Pirat has been awarded 1.3 million kronor ($159,000) by the National Board for Youth Affairs (Ungdomstyrelsen), a government agency. The sum has been calculated based on an official member estimation of 1,284 members.
Where do I sign up?
this kids know how to get organized! - JimmyTheClam, on 01/18/2009, -2/+27The illegally torrented under-age porn party?
- HandsOfNod, on 01/18/2009, -3/+25This already made front page just a few hours ago...
http://digg.com/tech_news/Young_Pirates_get_Govern ... - Naidel, on 01/18/2009, -0/+18Welcome to the most democratic country in the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index - Exekutor, on 01/18/2009, -0/+18I agree, I've been in Sweden since last Tuesday, and it's awesome. People is great, girls are insanely hot, bandwidth is cheap and huge. Besides downloading ***** is practically legal.
I love Sweden. - hildenborg, on 01/18/2009, -0/+18I don't think there is more shame about being unemployed in Sweden than in any other country... However...
We are known to have huge taxes, and they are amongst other things used for paying those who are unemployed.
Now, when you can go unemployed for over a year and getting paid for it, there will obviously be someones that takes advantage of that, and avoids getting the jobs that they could get.
Those persons should be ashamed for making others pay for their laziness.
No country is perfect, Sweden is a very socialistic country where we like to take care of eachother, and where economic support is built into the system.
And in that kind of society, there will be some people who think that they pay too much, and some people will take advantage of the system...
Overall, I think it works good enough.
As an example: A couple of years ago, I got a stommach problem and had to be kept over night at a hospital and they did pretty much every test they could do. That hospital visit cost me a total of 260 Swedish kroner ( about $30).
How much would that have cost me in the US, and is the lower US tax worth that? - TotalHalibut, on 01/18/2009, -3/+14Not your personal army.
- cmf2071, on 01/18/2009, -1/+12Yet another reason to love Sweden.
http://i39.tinypic.com/k9exd2.jpg - newbr33d, on 01/18/2009, -0/+8No you won't.
- Ratteler, on 01/18/2009, -1/+8I hate people from NYC... and I should know... I was born and live in NYC.
Most of us are the worst people are Earth. - noof, on 01/18/2009, -0/+7Uhm, Spotify? Skype? Mysql? :)
- Falconwing, on 01/17/2009, -0/+7http://www.ungpirat.se/blimedlem
Google can translate it for you if you like. - Bomaz, on 01/18/2009, -1/+8Welcome
- MidnightRIder77, on 01/18/2009, -1/+7I love Swedish Women.
- Transporter2000, on 01/18/2009, -0/+5Best.Meatballs.Ever
- TheMightyDane, on 01/18/2009, -0/+5Should I tell you about their overpriced beers ? :D
- charliecharlos, on 01/18/2009, -0/+5You know it's funny that Cuba's more democratic than China, yet we embargo one and suck the other one's *****.
- TheKingOfGames, on 01/18/2009, -1/+6Artists already get paid, it's just the record companies who want insane money.
- hildenborg, on 01/18/2009, -0/+4If they get more than a certain number of supporters... Yes :(
I do not remember how many supporters it is neccessary to have, but I recall that they have succeded in getting economic support in at least one occation.
I guess that is democracy: even the enemy gets to say what he want.
Or, to quote Winston Churchill:
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - thayanmarsh, on 01/18/2009, -1/+5Radiohead actually made more money with the donations idea than they made on previous albums because record contracts dictated that they hardly got any money from each sale. You could also donate 0$ and still get the album. Why copyright that?
- nick111, on 01/18/2009, -0/+4The alternative to the state supporting political parties is... well... America basically.
- Naidel, on 01/18/2009, -0/+3Did you come as an exchange student to Lund? A lot of people who came here that day.
- Borgcube, on 01/18/2009, -2/+5Yes, I definitely agree with you. But I am surprised that the state gives support to political parties, seems like a good opportunity for someone to exploit. But, I believe that Swedes are a bit differently organized about things like these (it is a shame to be unemployed in Sweden, or so I hear)
- dalittle, on 01/18/2009, -0/+3You should really find out how much the bands make under the current system. The RIAA (Sony, EMI, Warner Bros, Universal) usually have bands sign ridiculous contracts that make them pay marketing costs, etc before they see any money. Even though the bands make tons of money for the label, most never see a dime anyway from the album and only make any money on tour. It is only the most popular bands or ones that go around the RIAA like Radiohead that make any money through their record sales so don't feel bad at all.
- inactive, on 01/18/2009, -0/+3Why don't artists make much money under the RIAA, because for one thing roughly 70% of the artists end up being flops who barely sell over 1,000 albums. If you want to make money under a label you have to prove yourself and actually be successful, then you will see returns.
- kasperu, on 01/18/2009, -0/+3Woaw North Europe pwns.
Danish pride. - noof, on 01/18/2009, -1/+3How about the ones that can't work because of injuries? Or those who just got fired because of the financial situation?
And why would you be brought down to the same level as those "*****"? You will still make more money than them. The gap between poor and rich people is just smaller, not non existent. - Nauree, on 01/18/2009, -0/+2I've made it my top goal to move to Sweden.
- nikomo, on 01/18/2009, -1/+3I'd move to Sweden if there wasn't a language-barrier.
Sure it's a lot smaller since I'm finnish and we have swedish in schools but still. - inactive, on 01/18/2009, -3/+5sweden has like 60% tax, but then the state provides so much for you.
financially-crippled americans: take note! socialism can work! - noof, on 01/18/2009, -0/+2That depends on how you look at it. I pay ~30% of my income in tax. Then you have 25% VAT on most of the stuff you buy, but that still doesn't make it 60% :)
- Zounas, on 01/18/2009, -0/+2I guess Swedes are generally equal or even better in English than us Finns, so you could probably survive ;)
- Travelsonic, on 01/18/2009, -1/+2"
great now nobody is gonna make quality music or software because they'll starve if they do"
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unsubstantiated doom-and-gloom fallacy.. this is getting too old. - TheDarkPrince, on 01/21/2009, -0/+1No, but a group with differing views to those of the current law getting funding and being allowed to talk openly about those views is well in line with the idea of freedom.
- Ne007, on 01/18/2009, -2/+3Any country that lives under their own beliefs and on their own merit has my respect.
but I'm sure those countries live under the threat of the US Iron fist and freedom bombs....you know...with all that being terrorist activity and all. - Borgcube, on 01/19/2009, -0/+1I would if I could. Maybe. Perhaps.
- hildenborg, on 01/18/2009, -0/+1Don't mention the gas price!
- AutoTom, on 01/19/2009, -0/+1why are people digging this?
this is a horrible idea! - bigp3rm, on 01/18/2009, -3/+4Piracy pays off for software companies IMO. When I was in school in the mid/late 90s I couldn't afford this 3D software. So I downloaded it, learned it (also finding out I'm a damn good artist in the process) then got a job.
Over those years I have made the maker of that software about $50,000. So yeah, pirate, learn, make them some money. - denka, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1Fail... read article again.
- Magnus101, on 01/18/2009, -0/+1He he!
Didn't know that Sweden was number one when it comes to democracy.
But I'm still not happy with democracy here in Sweden. There are many issues with how voting is predetermined internally in the party groups with a lot of pressure put on the people about how they should vote about a proposal.
The individual have a hard time going against the party. It has to be said, though, that there are seven different partys represented in the Riksdag, which is the Swedish parliament.
The Principle of Public Access (offentlighetsprincipen)is something that is extremely important here. It is the oldest "Freedom of information legislation" in the world dating back to 1766.
From Wikipedia about the principle of Public access in Sweden(search for "freedom of information legislation"):
"The Principle of Public Access means that the general public are to be guaranteed an unimpeded view of activities pursued by the government and local authorities; all documents handled by the authorities are public unless legislation explicitly and specifically states otherwise, and even then each request for potentially sensitive information must be handled individually, and a refusal is subject to appeal. Further, the constitution grants the Right to Inform, meaning that even some (most) types of secret information may be passed on to the press or other media without risk of criminal charges. Instead, investigation of the informer's identity is a criminal offense"
Some countries freedom acts are similar, but I think it is seen as more important here.
The bad thing right now is that we have an intense pressure from the US about many issues, and we give in too many times. Many new laws like IPRED and FRA are probably examples of that.
The clossure of piratebay too.
There were also a somewhat funny story about how members of the scientology church guarded a book which had been made public due too the principle of public access. The book was on display in the late 90;s for anyone to read, but a group of scientologiests(spelling?) took turn reading it 24/7. They didn't want the public to see what was in the book. Unfortunatelly the state fell for pressure from the USA(a repeating story of "the land of the free" imposing their will of making things less free in another democracy) so that the book wasn't made public anymore.
By the way, it is quite amuising to see "The land of the free" to be at place 18.
Don't think they deserve even that place, when looking at the how the Bush regime have handled things the last 8 years!
Hope that will change with the new Obama administration! - hildenborg, on 01/18/2009, -0/+0I have a saying for things like this: "Being best is not the same as being fault free."
- intrepidia, on 01/19/2009, -0/+0Wouldn't the private sector do a better job of governing us you mean???
Golly.... - Terocs, on 01/18/2009, -1/+1im now going to get a sweden football shirt jsut because of this story
- Benjirowell, on 01/18/2009, -1/+1Sweden ftw.
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