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Woman Denied Teaching Degree Because of MySpace Photo

seattletimes.nwsource.com — If you think it's a naked picture or anything inappropriate, you're wrong. Check out what the picture is and you'll be outraged.

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  • LordPhantom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+487The smoking gun (also submitted to digg) has the photo. She should sue them into oblivion over this. Sheesh.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0426072pirate1.html
    • sofaKing812, on 10/12/2007, -179/+30I totally agree with you, but how eff'n hard is it to set your profile to private? Common sense would tell you that if you are (or getting ready to be) a teacher (or any other professional) you should think about how you are representing on the internets.
    • Hentez, on 10/12/2007, -7/+336A drunken pirate ruins another life, when will we learn?
    • lazyeyesam, on 10/12/2007, -8/+314Don't sue them - make them walk the plank!
    • DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -96/+30An article posted about a compromising photo, WITHOUT showing the PHOTO?!

      Dugg down
    • faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -25/+79"I totally agree with you, but how eff'n hard is it to set your profile to private? Common sense would tell you that if you are (or getting ready to be) a teacher (or any other professional) you should think about how you are representing on the internets."

      Uh, representing what? Barbara Bush, is that you?
    • AWeeBitInsane, on 10/12/2007, -6/+79Millersville University, have you guys been paying your attorneys lots of money all this time? Time to see if they're worth it, *****. Time to suffer a little.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -18/+447This is a victory for ninjas everywhere!
    • archlich, on 10/12/2007, -15/+95The university just doesn't want to accept that she has been touched by his noodly appendage.
    • kmckanna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+152I didn't know you could be denied a degree if you go through the 4 years to earn it-- unless you did something that was related to the degree itself (cheating or something)...

      And who said myspace was for underaged kids? I think Myspace is ***** stupid, it ruins lives more and more every day, but the school can't say she is promoting it unless there was a picture of her with a bunch of like, 8th graders getting drunk.

      Oh yeah, and our leading politicians--the most important people in this world today--don't do anything bad, they don't drink alcohol, they don't have sex, there is never controversy about them, they are like angels...

      That University is *****.
    • coresnake, on 10/12/2007, -42/+8arg, let it be known that this is discrimination against pirates, aye.



      btw pic or it didnt happen
    • eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+77If it was a pic of a drunken ninja we would have never heard of it and nobody would have cared.
    • afx1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25With all the bad publicity drunken pirates have been getting lately, who can blame them for denying her?
    • trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -9/+44Now i have to go find some pr0n. What a disappointing story.
    • thedobber, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19What goes online, stays online.

      What may seem innocuous and innocent, posted in jest or fun can one day come back and bite one in the butt. I wonder how many college kids have lost out on a position when their perspective employer found some stupid comment on a MySpace or Facebook account.

      Lawyers will often scour the net in order to build a case or discredit a defendant.

      This case does seem a bit extreme, good luck to the plantiff. Wonder if she's pulled her page yet?

      Freedom of information indeed.
    • bigtallmofo, on 10/12/2007, -23/+12I read the entire complain that she has on The Smoking Gun and it seems like she had some serious performance issues...

      17. [...] Mr. Girvin also noted several areas in which Plaintiff needs "significant remediation," including portions of her preparation, teaching performance, and approach to student learning.

      In 18, a separate evaluator found the same problems of her needing "significant remediation" in core teaching principles. This is her own complaint, so it's not like someone else is adding this in after the fact. She was apparently evaluated repeatedly as needing "significant remediation". I guess crying foul over a MySpace photo is an easy way to get the Geek Horde on your side, but I'm just not sure it's appropriate in this case.
    • rasputinaxp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37@bigtallmofo

      I thought you said you read the whole complaint?

      That was her March performance review. In April she was noted to have improved in all aspects, and the issue with her "professionalism" and the pirate photo didn't crop up until May 8th, according to her complaint. This was the Monday of Senior Week (as graduation was the 12th).

      There's something very wrong about a university that would decide to withhold the degree somebody had rightfully earned because of a photo that proves nothing conclusive.
    • Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -17/+15This RIAA thing is really getting out of hand.
    • audguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@bigtallmofo

      If you would have continued to read, "After her mid-evaluation, Plaintiff's teaching performance improved dramatically".

      Plus she had great ratings before the photo came up, then her reviews where revised down.
    • TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Wow. I know teaching degrees have a moral clause, but that is absolutely crazy. Who knows if she was even drunk, it is just a caption. Wow.

      Eric Wilson
    • skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41***** THE RIAA!
    • RansomDenton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The state of higher education in this country is becoming almost too absurd to be funny. My old college felt, in 2000, that computers in art were a passing fad and this included computers in graphic design! I left never to look back.
    • cbrophy78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Was going to add that smoking gun link. Don't want to double post though. She should sue for all of her School expenses, undue damages, emotional stress, and for all of the money she should have gotten had she got hired as a teacher. Nanny pay sucks, especially when you return to school with 2 kids. Her lawyer sucks.
    • theman8631, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Why submit your complaints in the comment box? Let's let university President Francine McNairy know what we think: Marlys.Harris@millersville.edu

      I see another pricerightphoto movement, this is ***** up.
    • digg5, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1In some parts of the middle east she would be executed for that photo...
    • texxmexx, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Maybe the school will realize their mistake when she shows up and goes Cho on their asses!

      Too soon?

      /hatesviolencebutlovesstupidhumor
    • redfox138, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16President's phone number and email address:
      http://digg.com/offbeat_news/E_mail_Phone_of_President_of_University_that_denied_teacher_her_degree
      Help digg it front page please
    • hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Seriously...to eveyrone posting hte phone number of hte president...do you really want Digg to get a WORSE reputation than it already has? The "LEt's GIT' EM" white trash mentality REALLY makes the site look bad. I know YOUR lives and reputations are horrible. Don't make the site horrible too. Have some class.
    • protocoI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I can't even see any alcohol in that cup... It could be water or something...

      One of the teachers at my old high school was a bartender in the summer, and had a picture on his myspace with him holding bottles of alcohol. Surely he should be fired for such a horrible thing! How dare a legal, of-age citizen be having photography of such DREADFUL actions. I'm apalled.

    • mikeyj10, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This would never happen to a drunken ninja, because eventually he will become sober and kill everyone who has seen the picture. Think about it you've never seen a picture of a drunken ninja and you're still alive.
    • drag0ns1ayer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Where is this ... a Muslim country or something??

      Oh, wait...

      She was of legal age to drink at the time the picture was taken, the contents of the cup cannot be determined from the photo, she was fully clothed, and the caption was a harmless joke about what her Halloween costume was supposed to represent.

      All of this neo-Puritanism is just a good way of getting us used to the idea that nobody is supposed to drink alcohol, that women's photos cannot be shown in public, that for women to teach school is a privilege that can be taken away for any reason or for no reason...in other words...let's get everybody accustomed to shari'a!

      I, for one, do NOT salute our new Muslim overlords...nor the bureaucrats and petty tyrants who want to con us into giving up our freedoms.
    • D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"I have a hangover. Who knows what that means?"
      "Doesn't that mean you're drunk."
      "No, it means I was drunk yesterday."
    • DAGONthehauge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1***** up moralist crap country. Sleep in the bed you all made, imbeciles.
  • oesj, on 10/12/2007, -10/+201i am appalled by this anti-pastafarianism
    • vanbacon, on 10/12/2007, -36/+11Praise be the the flying spaghetti monster

      RAMEN
    • guinunez, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3now the global warming will increase exponentially
    • mister711, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is why I will never have a Myspace page. I agree with the majority of the comments here that they should not have denied her based on that picture, but these things happen all the time and will continue to happen as long as the access is there and more people in the HR departments will start to browse facebook and myspace for "inappropriate" behavior.
  • ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -3/+327How can they even know that there was alcohol in the cup? ***** that anyway. Even if she had bottle of tequila between her *****, it has nothing to do with them.
    • fael, on 10/12/2007, -3/+201it's just the punishment for being in myspace
    • solonGFX, on 10/12/2007, -19/+266I am in ur space, killing ur teaching degreez
    • joncarr, on 10/12/2007, -20/+72> Even if she had bottle of tequila between her *****, it has nothing to do with them.

      Ahh, how ironic that we're talking about education, and we see a classic misuse of pronouns. Of course a bottle of tequila would have nothing to do with her *****. :)


      Sorry, I couldn't resist.
    • Ductapemaster, on 10/12/2007, -6/+73Gahhh....Sunday mornig grammar nazis!!!
    • TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60*morning
    • seanc6610, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27@joncarr
      I'm nearly positive that "them" refers to "they" in the previous sentence, which refers to the unseen antecedent of the university administration. Dick.
    • MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6http://digilander.libero.it/ramengox/Tequila/Tequila.jpg

      all that's needed
    • msfayzer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Yes, they don't know what is in the cup so the whole thing is dumb.

      But there would have been a problem had she "had bottle of tequila between her *****" because when you are a teacher, even a pre-professional one, you have a certain responsibility to behave in a professional manner. This particular case is ridiculous, but teachers have a call to be moral examples to their current and future students and that includes so- called "private" pictures on Myspace. Future teachers just have to accept that, when one is in a profession that involves children one has to behave as such.
    • Mylonite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9wait, what? So if she was the model with the lime (or a bottle of tequila) between her *****, she shouldn't be allowed to get a teaching degree? I can sort of understand this being a problem for the school that hires her, but I don't really think the university has any grounds for denying her the degree.
    • Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6msfayzer: Moral examples... according to whose morals? The Christian fundies' morals?
      Let's talk about moral then - the university administrator's moral, who effectively destroyed the girls life. Because of a photo with party hat?
    • tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ms
      If a school is a private entity, it can choose who it graduates and who it employs. However, thinking that teachers can't have lives is idiotic. The university if free to do what it wants, but it's justification is terrible. And if that's what that university is like, people might not go there if they want to have a life and get a teaching degree. She's 27; please tell me how that's "promoting underage drinking". The university is free to do what they want and I'm free to criticize them because they denied a woman a degree for an idiotic reason.
    • matthewmok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It could be water -- or even empty for all anyone knows. That is insane.
  • Jennica, on 10/12/2007, -46/+12I don't have to worry about stupid ***** like this. I don't have a myspace.
    • xtlosx, on 10/12/2007, -32/+3absolutely, myspace is a big pile of *****... facebook will be gone once I graduate, oh wait, that's next week..
    • patik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19You can keep your Facebook account after you graduate. Even before they started letting everyone join (a la Myspace), they allowed you to sign up even with an alumni email account.
    • adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+109Jennica said: "I don't have to worry about stupid ***** like this. I don't have a myspace."
      --------

      First they came for the Myspacers, and I didn't speak up,
      because I wasn't a Myspacer.

      ...

      Then they came for the Diggers, and by that time there was no one left
      to speak up for me.
    • MercifulCobra, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4I agree with Jennica. Stop advertising your damn personal life on the internet!

      I think this woman got what she deserved. Myspace is *****. It's nothing but trouble and drama, and any self-respecting adult (or teenager) shouldn't mingle with myspace.com (a.k.a. the armpit of the internet).
    • Tenareth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9But you post here... what if you make a minor joke that right now is considered fine, but 1 year from now is suddenly considered bad taste and you are fired from your job, or refused a promotion because of it?

      How about we start to realize that every single person you interact with professionally also has a personal life, and that it probably includes some drinking, sex and off-color jokes at some point in their lives. How about we stop being so sensitive to stupid stuff like this that we push people into keeping everything so private that they are afraid to talk to anyone about anything.

      But that's just me.
    • tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@merciful
      You've got to be kidding. You think she deserves to lose her teaching degree because she's on Myspace? I may not like Myspace, but I know that's not a reason to deny someone a degree she's earned. Please, never go into politics.

      @tena
      That would be nice, and will finally happen when the people in power are the generation who grew up with this. Until then, though...
  • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+124Drunken Pirate Teacharrrr!
    • MateFrio, on 10/12/2007, -30/+6Click to Edit (Available for 54 Seconds) What shall we do with a drunken teacher,
      What shall we do with a drunken teacher,
      What shall we do with a drunken teacher,
      Early in the morning?
  • chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32Naked people have no place on the internet. Lets top it now before it gets out of control.
    • herrshuster, on 10/12/2007, -21/+6you want to top it? be my guest
    • Akidan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10What does nudity have to do with this? She was fully clothed in the picture.
    • Tenareth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5FYI, it was out of control before Mosaic was even started... Gopher, FTP... The first printing press, after a discussion of democracy... the next thing that came off of it was a naked lady. The camera? Movies...

      A fully interactive virtual world... guess what will be the first commercial use of it? :)

  • Ouze, on 10/12/2007, -7/+87On the plus side, her potential students learned 2 valuable lessons at once: A.) Myspace is often more trouble then it's worth, and B.) People in authority will ***** with you to make themselves feel better, if the opportunity presents itself.
  • btbridges, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3i wouldn't want her raping an pillaging the student union anyway.
    • Alimack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21That's Vikings. Pirates just pirate.
  • guyinjapan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+117And this is why kids are stuck with boring ass teachers these days...
  • ThatGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+119That is *****. She was 25 at the time, and suddenly 25 year olds aren't allowed to drink? That is assuming there was alcohol in that cup.
    • Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -62/+1She put the caption "drunken pirate" If this is against her schools rules, oh well, don't post pictures of yourself drinking. Bout time people suffer consequences of putting their private (and pirate) lives in the public domain.
    • crazydiode, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@pottersquash... u are a dumbass. if the "school" has a problem its understandable.. but a college denying her a degree because of this is heights of stupidity.
    • tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pottersquash
      The Internet is not a sin, and there's no problem if you use it. If someone wants to take advantage of that to assert their power over you, then ***** them, and talk about it on your blog ;)
  • echud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Thats *****. I guess somebody should have tried dressing up as a drunken ninja instead.
  • skyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+91How does that promote underage drinking? Anyone?
    • Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -21/+3promotes drinking, its BS sure but if the school has such polices and she agreed to them....
    • Huitz, on 10/12/2007, -25/+5I went to an uber conservative school. And while I don't agree with all their rules on drinking and the like I felt it was the best way to do well in school (Going to a school where partying isn't an option). Suffice it to say when I enrolled there was a nice big stack of paper work that had to be signed saying what you did and didn't do. In fact at my University consuming alcohol at any time (even during the summer - though no one followed this part) was grounds for immediate expulsion if the administration deemed it necessary. So perhaps these are terms she agreed to? Though.. nothing says what was in the cup...
    • guyinjapan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+100"In fact at my University consuming alcohol at any time (even during the summer - though no one followed this part) was grounds for immediate expulsion if the administration deemed it necessary."

      You went to one boring ass university.
    • Timmmm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33It must suck to have 21 as the legal drinking age. Wouldn't even remotely be an issue in most countries...
    • Huitz, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5Was boring as hell but A) I have alcoholism in my family and B) I did well enough now that people pay me to go to school and I have a couple 75k a year jobs lined up just 2 years out of University
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+78OMG I hear she also has a drivers license!!

      She needs to be sued for promoting underage driving!!
    • zebstah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26"Was boring as hell but A) I have alcoholism in my family and B) I did well enough now that people pay me to go to school and I have a couple 75k a year jobs lined up just 2 years out of University"


      Neither of which have anything to do with a draconian drinking policy.
    • tdowling, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Well yeah, she's 27 now, but the picture was taken two years ago. Certainly the, uh, math speaks for itself.
    • prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"In fact at my University consuming alcohol at any time (even during the summer - though no one followed this part) was grounds for immediate expulsion if the administration deemed it necessary."

      "Was boring as hell but A) I have alcoholism in my family and B) I did well enough now that people pay me to go to school and I have a couple 75k a year jobs lined up just 2 years out of University"

      Idiotic university rules. I can understand if they ban all underage drinking and punish for that, but drinking by itself being punished is idiotic.

      Also take some credit for yourself. You may have done well for yourself because you were dedicated and worked hard, and not because your school prohibited drinking. I drank a lot while in school and still managed to do very well and got a good job while I was still in my 3rd year. *****, I ended up working and going to school for my final year and I drank as well so I do not see how schools having a no drinking policy actually helps more people than it doesn't by 100% prohibition.
  • Acill, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Does anyone have a link to he profile? I find it hard to believe this is the photo that caused all this, if its even a true article at all in the first place. If it is true she will win easy, its not a bad picture at all, and shows nothing any kid cant see on TV or any other place!
  • aldomatic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I have read that some employers look for myspace accounts.
    • Qumahlin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Yes, it is policy at my job for the HR recruiter to search myspace for the individual which is why if you do have a myspace account you want to do the following

      1. Do not register it under an email address you have given to others
      2. Do not use your name as your profile name
      3. Do not join your high school or college group unless the main photo you have of yourself is something non obvious
      4. Make sure you profile is set to private

      Follow those rules and HR won't be able to find or look at your profile without alot of digging which most companies won't do.
    • Bansuri, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18"1. Do not register it under an email address you have given to others
      2. Do not use your name as your profile name
      3. Do not join your high school or college group unless the main photo you have of yourself is something non obvious
      4. Make sure you profile is set to private"

      Instead of all of that how 'bout just live a life that you don't have to hide. Or at least use these sites to display your achievements instead of your "wild side".
      That said, it's BS that they pulled the rug out from under her. What a bunch of piss-ant, high-brow, goof balls. It'll be funny when someone discovers their kiddy porn or snuff flicks and brings down their facade.
    • Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21How about not wasting time getting a myspace account.
    • crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7"Instead of all of that how 'bout just live a life that you don't have to hide."

      Where's the fun in that? I suppose I should go get a few dozen cats and never leave my home again. Don't want anybody to know I have a life and like to have fun living that life!
    • conman16x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Why not just close your myspace page before you apply for a job?
    • tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's pretty sad they even do that, but they're probably legally allowed to, although it is a gray area (from what I've read). At any rate, like I said before, it won't last once people who have actually grown up social networking get into positions of power in the business world. At least that's what I'd think.
  • joevill, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1pwned!
  • bluechips23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20WTF? Kids love pirates, especially the female ones! She would have been one of the favorite teachers!
  • Revovisionary, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44There is an example right there of why our education system is failing. They do there damnedest to fillter out all the cool teachers.
    • seanc6610, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Oh man, one of these grammar nazis is gonna have a ball with that one.
  • wesjanson2307, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3*Franticly takes down nood pics from his myspace page...*
  • Syphon8, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Would any of you want people who use MySpace teaching our children?
  • Corinthos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18WTF I hope she wins.

    Anyways when I was in high school about 6 years ago we had a a teacher's assistant who was a bartender at night. A year after I left he ended up getting a regular teaching position and still has the job at the bar too. Everyone knew because he was also a DJ at that bar some nights and his name would be said on the radio. Don't think anyone cared or if they did then nothing came about it.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Its only a matter of time before he loses his job.

      All it takes one parent to call the media and start a media frenzy.
  • NekoAmplifier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33I'm a student at Millersville. They really are as lame as the article makes them sound.
  • JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+163Other things she promotes in the photo:

    Teaching kids that it's OK to use oil in excess by drinking from a plastic cup.
    Promoting tooth decay and diabetes by advertising Mr. Goodbar.
    Making kids think it's hip and cool to be a pirate when being a pirate is a one-way ticket to prison.
    Teaching kids that red-eyes in a photograph is acceptable, lowering the future photography standards in the country.
    The poster in the back says "beaste--" likely meaning it was created by an illiterate promoting bestiality. Likely a man and an elephant copulating on the adjacent skyscraper just out of frame.
    The middle finger holding the cup is the most prominent in the photo, likely a subliminal attempt to flip the bird at anyone who views the photo.
    There are crossed sabers in the background, likely a call for children of the world to duel each other with sabers.

    Frankly, I am outraged.
    • taoofjord, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3Don't forget that her wedding ring is on her middle finger. She was obviously cheating on her husband while performing these... "shenanigans". Something that is certainly looked down upon in this country. Shame on her.
    • sturdiusmaximus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Point # 5.
      It says "Beastie," and is a poster of the Beastie Boys album cover for "To the 5 Boroughs." Obviously the university is anti-semitic.
    • dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1What proof do you have this is alcohol? Administrators thinking of possible senarios, even if it's the most likely, is NOT proof.

      Correlation does not prove causation. Any lawyer will tell you that.
    • cbrophy78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Shes also promoting low standards for future migrant painters for my house. Bad painting job, you got to cover that ***** before you start painting and cut in.
    • Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1We simply cannot condone this rampant piracy. Also, the "Mr Goodbar" reference is obvious to anyone who has seen the movie with Diane Keaton.
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076327/

      Aside from that, if an employer isn't even supposed to ask my age, WTF?
  • Flon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49Teachers are not allowed lives apparently.
  • meez, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49This is madness.
  • UKsHaDoW, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7I don't even think Universities should meddle with/in people's private lives, it meant to be private.
  • jcm267, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10What exactly is the problem here?

    Why aren't they firing teachers who do more serious things like getting caught speeding, bouncing a check, or littering?
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0426072pirate1.html
    • acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16yea because teachers are the few people in our population who never make any mistakes.
    • ch33sehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This article has nothing to do with being fired. It has to do with being denied her degree, which is an entirely different ballpark.
  • AgileHeadCogs, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1Morons all.

    The university lacks any sense of pure discretion and common sense and this chick has her head SCREWED ON BACKWARDS!!!

    As do MOST college kids, stupid youngsters and truly dumb geeks who think for one total second that the internet is something to play around with.

    The internet can freaking destroy you in ten seconds if some of you dimwits don't wake up to the fact that YOUR privacy is NOT and SHOULD NOT be a public affair, that is unless you want this lack of intelligence to come back and haunt the living crap out of you one day, sooner or later.
    • dswinscoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7sarcasm tag? Otherwise, thanks for the paranoid diversion ...
    • AgileHeadCogs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1dswinscoe-

      To answer your question: zero sarcasm.

      Paranoid diversion? Perfectly sums up my overall context.

      The dichotomy of the context here is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that the Internet is a place to be highly paranoid in and on.

      Government, employers (future and present), and authority figures of all shapes, sizes and power levels ARE looking to lower risks, enforce law and order, establish controls, and shape the collective consciousness.

      As a result of this weighty conglomerate the democracy of communication is exposed to FAR more risk than ever. The Internet is NOT a conversation between friends and never will be.

      Every conversation, picture and post SHOULD be evaluated for its content and resulting impact on your life, now and in the future. The future WILL hold far greater caching capacity of every single word uttered in Web Space.

      This will become the great memory. And if you are on it, be circumspect...
    • bIuebonics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@AgileHeadCogs

      this reminds me of the time i registered my e-mail address bman1@yahoo.com, while talking to underage girls in aim, while drinking underage and simultaneously feeding photos live to my web page, while getting a blowjob that i paid for from one of my sister's friends, while gambling illegally, while promoting a violent revolution against the government, while looking up schematics for making nuclear devices, while... beating a woman just because she was a woman and umm... yea, i think that about sums it up. next stop? harvard!
  • Kallius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27"Jane S. Bray, dean of the School of Education, accused Snyder of promoting underage drinking."

    The only logical explanation is that Bray is a ninja; ninjas are pirates' only natural enemies.
    • thotpoizn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5 I'm not sure about the Ninja explanation, so I E-mailed Dr. Bray to find out. Perhaps if more people ask her "what's the dealio," she'll break with some answers.

      Thanks for the directory link, rasdfasdf and naevity!!
    • letterten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Jane Bray, the morality police chief: Jane.Bray@millersville.edu
  • MateFrio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1ignore
  • blankman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21She will definitely win in court. This is a very clear-cut case. You can't withhold a degree that someone has earned by completing every requirement because you don't like a picture they have. I doubt one of the requirements for a teaching degree is "no myspace photos that show you doing something 99% of kids do anyway".
    • carniv0re, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Well, not to mention that is the most harmless picture ever.
    • xerox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8or that she was of legal age to drink at the time the picture was taken.
  • mikefitz2, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1You can be denied any job for any reason in this country. i don't see what the big deal is
    • blankman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21its not being denied a job, its being denied a degree
    • zebstah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10And no, you cannot be denied any job for any reason. I'll let you try to think of a few reasons that we deem unacceptable in this country.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15A. You're wrong; B. Your reading comprehension issues aside, this is not the equivalent of being denied a job: it's the equivalent of being denied a paycheck for work already done under promise of payment.
    • Toloran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@zebstah

      Yes, you can be denied a job for any reason because they aren't required to tell you why you weren't hired.

      But yes, this has nothing to do with being denied a job.
  • naevity, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2If you visit here: http://muhp5.millersville.edu/pls/prod/fac_stf_search.P_DispSearchForm
  • Gash77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12And what she does legally in her private life affects her ability to do her work how?
  • CyberSally, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Shenanigans, I tell you!
  • theratdotus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1anything coulda been in that cup, including sperm!
  • Geek26, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13As a student of Millersville University I assure you all of our administrators are ass hats. Up-tight conservative ass hats
    • skiziks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Jane S. Bray, dean of the School of Education, should find a comfortable position on the George W Bush administration. About the same mentality.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18This has nothing to with being conservative. It has everything to do with the draconian political correctness attitude that has taken over this country.

      I can guarantee that the average conservative (like me) is just as outraged by this as the average liberal.
    • Geek26, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you right that was an unfair assessment of conservatives, but the point still stands, my school blows
    • NtroP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No degree for you!!!
    • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"...nothing to [do] with being conservative..."
      "...the average conservative (like me)..."

      Well at least you're not bias.

      Actually, overly uptight and anal restrictions on everything you can imagine go hand in hand with being conservative. Who knows what the case is here, but to distance the conservatives for being typically responsible for conservative rules is stupid.
    • lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You just had to use "imagine", "anal", "uptight" , and "hand" in the same sentence.
  • Ninnux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@matefrio

    Agreed....ignore. This is coming from Millersville U.
  • dreambucket, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I knew a bunch of education majors in college, and if they got one underage they were done - but if she was 25...

    I don't see this sticking
  • jamesjarvis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Good more pirates to fight the recording companies ninjas. AAARRRRR
  • stalepie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1who cares?
  • TexanPsycho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Outraged that it's not porn!
  • leebruce, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0suck
  • Wilddigi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2myspace on the brain. What's next, flicker and personal blogs or maybe a picture in your photo album left on the dinning room table during a party.
  • snek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's a freakin' plastic cup!
    It's not like she's passed out outside the party with a patch of vomit on her shirt, still holding the bottle of hard-liquor in one hand!
    You can't even see she's drunk! WTF??

    I am outraged at the school's administrators.. This is just preposterous!
  • dainBramage, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Yes, this is lame, but you shouldn't be surprised. Maybe people will realize some employers use MySpace as part of a background check for employment. If you're going to link your full name to a public website, you should probably clean it up while you're trying to land a job. It's not going to kill you to keep your drunk pirate picture under wraps for a little while.
  • GoldyFish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I hope her lawyers are Vikings, and rape and pillage the Millersville administration, The college took her money uhntil the day before graduation ? how long did they know she wasn't going to be awarded her degree?
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How dare you use a racist, negative stereotype like that. I have Scandinavian ancestors!!
  • Palaceguard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Maybe pictures on myspace posing with Mickey Mouse and Snow White at Disneyland is promoting pedophile activities
  • willb285, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some schools fire pirates, others embrace them.
    http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object/203/73/n2200858629_35964.jpg
  • rasdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://mustang.millersville.edu/~directory/dir.quick.list.php Call them if you want their story or otherwise.
  • p51d007, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1More "don't blame me" crap. SHE signed an AGREEMENT that had a morals clause. Now you can get into a good argument about
    that at a later date, but, did anyone hold a gun to her head and FORCE her to go to that school? NO! Why did she go to that school?
    More than likely because of their reputation. She signed it, she should have followed the rules.
    The problem with society is that we don't want to hurt anyones feelings, so we give them a pass from the time they are 5 until they die doing something stupid. Until we start holding people accountable, crap continues. You want to know why there is so much crap going on is because people don't have RESPECT for anything.
    • bovox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6But the thing is, there is nothing immoral or unethical about going to a costume party, sipping a beverage wearing a frumpy shirt, and having your picture taken. It would be a completely different issue if she were nude posing in the latest issue of penthouse, but she wasn't. It certainly isn't cause to ruin the career of a single mother of two who excelled at teaching.
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