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- lejovchina, on 11/12/2007, -7/+12Bah! I think any faith based repackage of an OS should be not only removed from Wikipedia as pure propaganda but entirely ignored and, if possible, banned.
I'm sick of this sudden religious fanaticism upsurge in the Linux world.
Ubuntu CE, Ubuntu ME, Ubuntu SE (which is at least kept as a satyr).
No, really, one feels tempted to launch Ubuntu Atheist Edition, with special tools to read The Origin of Species... oh, wait, we are not an organized cult with rituals and daily brainwashing needs.
What about Ubuntu Communist Edition with a special Marx/Engels/Lenin login splash theme and a general socialist realism artwork? It would also include a "Struggle Motto of the Day" :)
Bottomline of irrelevancy: Ubuntu Manchine Edition, featuring or reflecting all my odds and ends.
Though i am very much for freedom of expression, there has to be some sort of social regulation to prevent abuse and clutter.
Canonical itself should issue some rules to forbid any confessional derivative, no matter how tough it would be to apply.
Hope this episode gets enough exposure on Digg so that people realize how demented the folks behind faith oriented distros are. - MiDAwE, on 11/12/2007, -1/+5I am having difficulty understanding why Ubuntu CE was deleted. I'm certain that it's not a very mature distro but a distro none the less. Who cares if it's focus is Christian based? If your not interested then occupy your time with your distro of choice. It can't harm you. You are safe. The Christian distro baddies will leave you to your own, promise :)
Censorship is childish. It's one of those, "Do what I want or I'll hit you" kind of childishnesses. (is that a word?) Still we are of the Linux community and we appear to be no wiser than the other folks. Just mind your own and let them do their thing. If you feel threatened then hide under your covers until you feel safe and secure again.
Besides, isn't the point of a community encyclopedia, if nothing else, the freedom to discuss and provide information to and for ANYTHING regardless of political and popular presence or pressure. I may or may not agree, but I respect everyone's right to speak out and say what is on their mind. In this case it's some people who have established a GNU/Linux distribution that obviously fills a niche and they wish to provide public information to support the project.
What is wrong with that? And, isn't that at the heart of GNU? - Dawneman, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4No, haven't you ever heard the Christian command: "whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." a censorship package helps a person from being hammered by images and vulgarity that they wish to avoid. Just like you don't want a Christian pushing religion down your throat, a Christian doesn't want other things pushed down his.
- circmin, on 11/12/2007, -3/+7I agree that this does look like bias. Much less popular (e.g. Distowatch #31) and notable distros have not received the same treatment. Dislike of it's target audience is no legitimate reason to remove this distro from Wikipedia. I am an atheist.
- inactive, on 11/12/2007, -1/+4Wikipedia is run by atheists, trolls and other shady characters. I'm not surprised about their censorship.
- novajoe, on 11/12/2007, -1/+4Richard Stallman has always said that "free software", especially that which abides by the GNU/GPL license, is free to ALL people regardless of any defining characteristics of its users. To censor a distro because it has a Christian motive is simply fascism. That Wikipedia has banned Ubuntu CE is truly staggering considering the fact that it is itself based on open source initiatives. Though the Internet is bigger than the realm of the United States, those of of you Amercians that are in favor of Ubuntu CE being banned are spitting on your First Amendment rights and the principles that have enabled the open source software you love so much to exist.
- Dawneman, on 11/21/2007, -1/+4"Human mind is worth a lot more than assimilating scriptures." You only believe that because you don't know what the scriptures are.
The truth is foolishness to those who are dying. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. - mhancoc7, on 11/12/2007, -3/+6If you want Ubuntu Atheist Edition build it. You should really take the time to look into what something is and what its goals are before you simply bash it. It is obvious by your post that you are not the most open-minded person in the world. I bet you would call me the intolerant one though, huh.
Jereme - hass, on 10/21/2007, -1/+3Ubuntu Satanic Edition looks amazing. I'm installing it right now.
http://ubuntusatanic.org/ - HonestAbe, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Please provide evidence of Wikipedia "banning" Ubuntu CE. Did you actually research this or did you just accept the claims without question?
- HonestAbe, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Atheists like these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject ... - circmin, on 11/12/2007, -3/+4That is an entirely irrelevant argument. You may disagree with the existence of Nazism, abortion or nuclear weapons but that is absolutely no reason to remove articles on those subjects from Wikipedia. Ubuntu CE fulfills the notability guidelines and is being treated in a completely different manner to other derivatives and distros with less popularity and notability.
I can only assume that those responsible thought along the same lines as you. In that case they were wrong to do what they did. - HonestAbe, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1How has it been deleted or censored? There is a description on Wikipedia. What else do you want? This isn't different enough from other distros to deserve its own entire article.
- fredericthewise, on 11/20/2007, -2/+3And atheists say they are not Religious. Pah, they are more biased than any of us. Read your average school biology textbook and you might see what I mean. All hail to the high priests of scientism!
- Dawneman, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2Yeah the "religious" are really HIJACKING the entire electronics world. I heard next their going to buy Microsoft with the tens and tens of dollars they have made so far! (rolling eyes)
- lejovchina, on 11/12/2007, -4/+4I think it is more a matter of relevance than anti-christian bias.
Any technological platform shall be politically and religiously neutral.
***** like Ubuntiu Whatever-Religion Editions just contribute to build up barriers and create ghettos.
Another thing to take into account. Any religion is nothing but the very opposite of Free and Open Source Software. It is by nature a closed and dogmatic system of beliefs based on everlasting "revelations".
Embrace whatever faith you may feel like, just don't hijack technology to promote it.
Do you know what Ubuntu CE has prompted? Another absurdity: Ubuntu Muslim Edition.
I believe that both Joshua The Nazarene and Muhammad would pick PCLOS, anyhow :) - shad0walker, on 11/12/2007, -5/+5Buried as a good thing.
- ripdog, on 11/12/2007, -5/+5You obviously havent been on digg long. Everyone knows religion = bury. Plus, this isnt really a seperate distro, its ubuntu with a different theme and some censorship programs. Oh, the irony.
- LtXenodite, on 11/12/2007, -5/+4What a ***** joke. What about Ubuntu Atheist edition? Silly, right? So what the ***** is the point of this?
- Darrious, on 11/12/2007, -3/+2Yeah but some people are just too lazy to go and install this stuff on their computer and they just want it all bundled up into one nice distro.
- mhancoc7, on 11/12/2007, -3/+2Well, clearly nothing for you. However, not everyone is a Linux geek. Some people just want their system to have what they want. In Ubuntu CE's case that is Christians. With Ubuntu CE they can filter they internet access to help protect their kids using the built in GUI for dansguardian. They can install eSword which is probably the most popular free Bible program available. Unfortunately eSword is only for Windows though. Ubuntu CE makes it easy to install it and even comes with a Module Manager to allow users to quickly and easily install Bible modules for eSword. This is something that has been a long time coming. There is also an installer for The Word which is a vey similar program to eSword. This is just a few examples of the things that Ubuntu CE has available for its users.
It is all a matter of perspective. What does Ubuntu CE have for you? Probably nothing. However, what does it have for those who are using it? A lot of easy to use and preconfigured pieces of software that have been what has kept many Christians from switching to Linux.
Now, I know you are just going to shoot holes in this and say why don't you port these programs to Linux or what about Gnomesword Bible software, which also comes in Ubuntu CE. The fact is Ubuntu CE fills a need for a group that happens to be Christian. It has a proven user base and is currently #31 on the Distrowatch popularity chart.
Jereme
Ubuntu CE Developer - themono, on 11/12/2007, -4/+3I'm amazed that the position on this issue appears to be divided between "anti-Ubuntu CE & Pro deletion" and "Pro-Ubuntu CE and anti deletion". Personally, I'm Pro-Ubuntu CE and Pro deletion. This whole issue is just petty.
- lejovchina, on 11/12/2007, -2/+1There is a difference between lessser known or used distros and rebranding and censoring.
Let's take Puppy Linux as an example. Though it is not a mainstream distro, everyone agrees that it has technical work behind it.
Yet another example. PCLOS is basically Mandriva + Aptitude, however, Texstar does a great job as package creator and maintainer. Again, there is some sort of technical merit behind it.
Besides quotations spam, censorship/filtering, a neocon toolkit and modified artwork, what does CE has to offer? - lejovchina, on 11/12/2007, -4/+3What do you have to say about tools to filter and effectively censor content? (brilliant remark by ripdog)
Why don't you leverage your talent to improve Ubuntu itself beyond the boundaries of your private/personal beliefs?
Don't you guys understand that FOSS is a social contract devised to *JOIN* people from any sort of religious or political background?
In between a couple of verses, think about it. Human mind is worth a lot more than assimilating scriptures. - mobiusthought, on 01/05/2008, -1/+0Why would we CARE if you wanted to make a Muslim version, or a Sikh version, or a Buddhist version or an Atheist version? That's WHY Linux is FREE (as in speech)!
If you really want to get TECHNICAL, we don't need to recognize ANY distribution as being separate. Anything based on the Linux 2.6 kernel can legitimately be said to be the SAME OPERATING SYSTEM.
WHY, then do we have all these different distros? In a word- CONVENIENCE!
Distros provide an EASY way to get a live or installed system that comes with a set of packages that is as close to your ideal system as possible, while maintaining some kind of mass appeal. This is NO different. Parents could go download Ubuntu, install dansguardian, install E-sword and all this other stuff, of course. WHY do they get a prepackaged distro instead? The SAME reason many of you don't sit down and take 6-12 hours with YOUR install, to compile the kernel and every package yourself- CONVENIENCE! In addition to making it EASIER to get what many Christians (AND Non-christian PARENTS) want, Ubuntu CE, just like MANY other linux distros, helps pave the way for first time linux users to take the plunge by taking the guesswork out of the install, and making it as painless as possible.
I think most the people against CE, and for the banning are most likely hypocrites. Unless they're on Gentoo, Linux-From-Scratch, or compile their own kernel, and they're own software, they have NO legitimate reason to be so AGAINST offering the level of convenience to Christians and parents that Ubuntu CE provides. It's just another niche market. Deal with it.
Just another step in the long, slow, painful decline of wiki. - 3volution, on 11/12/2007, -8/+7Good choice to delete that ***** distro. Everything related to religion should disappear.
Ubuntu CE is the most useless thing ever done in the linux contest. - mhancoc7, on 11/12/2007, -3/+2Yeah, I expected that. It is really sad though.
- circmin, on 11/12/2007, -3/+1I agree that supporting the distro and supporting it's deletion are two separate issues. I would note though that some of those discussing this issue on the Ubuntu forums had the diametric opposite to your position, i.e. Anti-Ubuntu CE and Anti-deletion. Personally it's not a distro I would use, but I think that FOSS is better off for it's existence. Having your computer behave exactly how you want it to is what FOSS is all about.
To me the arguments given for it's deletion really do not stack up at all when compared to what distros do have their own pages. There is clear inconsistency, and it looks like religiopolitical bias on the part of Wikipedia. There is a definite case of possible wrongdoing to answer. Let's hope a review of this decision reaches a fair conclusion, even if that is the removal of all the other less notable distros along with it. It's the inconsistency that annoys me. I simply cannot stand discrimination and objectively unequal treatment. - alexjohnc3, on 11/17/2007, -3/+1Isn't it somewhat ironic that they're complaining about censorship when Ubuntu Christian Edition comes with censorship software prepackaged?
- mhancoc7, on 11/12/2007, -7/+5Well, again I am glad to see how open-minded people can be.
Jereme
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