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- Tebixan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+90So what does it mean if I listen to Frederic Chopin, Ying Yang Twins, Johnny Cash, and Disturbed? I think variety is much more entertaining than sticking to any one genre.
- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -27/+108So, stupid people like rap. I guess I was right all along.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+79This is proof to your comment. I bring you a direct quote from a wu-tang clan song... This is the chorus.
"Shame on a ***** who try to run game on a *****
Wu buck wild with the trigger!
Shame on a ***** who try to run game on a *****
Wu buck- I ***** yo' ass up! What?"
That passage is just flowing with intelect and complexity. - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -11/+73I'd say most stereotypes in general tend to be true.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -30/+89No, you switched it around.
Although not all stupid people like rap, people who like rap are stupid. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+55The only musical stereotype predjudices I harbour are the one's that make me believe that anyone who restricts themselves to one genre alone, or anyone who defines themselves by that genre, has a lower IQ on average.
Most people are more complex than being "someone who listens to X genre" (fortunately) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+57*Breaking News at 11*
3 members of Philharmonic Orchestra slain in gang fight. - democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -13/+59Agreed. But if you say that, you're either:
1) racist
2) ethnocentric
3) communist
Ah, I love political correctness... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41You just stereotyped a stereotyper.
What does that make you 0.o? - shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30This seems kind of obvious doesn't it?
Especially when you have people like these walking around: http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/streetstyle/15.jpg
I'm guessing he's not a classical music fan. - ArminiusVambrey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Most comments against hip-hop all seem to focus more on "gangster rap" rather than hip-hop in a broader sense. There is a myriad of styles, flows, and content out there. If you have given any of it a chance you would have at least found something in hip-hop you respect. You don't have to like something to respect it.
- Joe091, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33@ikonthehologram:
I'm hoping that was sarcasm... - Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Don't say that! You'll crash the internets!!
- tomi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I always wonder who they conduct surveys on. I've never been asked to do a survey such as this - have you?
- Phobotron, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28I like how you left off "generally" on that last one... : |
- sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24That's not complexity.
That's empathy.
I guess you can understand drugs and deaths in the streets,
but we want COMPLEXITY
just swearing faster than normal doesn't make it more complex or classical or intellectual. - Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Of course - just like myth, they're based in fact. Obscured quite a bit, but based in fact.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -16/+36ALL stereotypes are based in truths.
Asians DO generally suck at driving.
Americans ARE generally fat.
Jewish people ARE cheap. - yevkasem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22lol stereo-types, get it
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21It's not Wu-Tang, but check out some songs by Common, A Tribe Called Quest, Jurassic 5... There are some very talented rappers out there. Just because the music is focused more on rhythm than melody doesn't make it any less intelligent.
On the other hand, there's a lot of rap out there that's just complete ***** talking about all their money and *****. Unfortunately, that's the rap that's taken over, so people tend to think that's what rap is. - Jowitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I don't personally like rap either, but there are some independent labels that do great work. But, when you say you hate rap and list mainstream rap, you also must think about the mainstream of most any other genre and you will find crap as well.
- jamesmorad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17you didnt describe a kid as being even remotley emo. thats more of a mix between bro or ricer. get your generalizations right dammit!
- mrlost117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15while I see the point in this, and how it can be taken incorrectly, I just wanna say that, for the MOST, people who only like one kind of music tend to be more closely tied to the stereotype.
Im sure a lot of us here listen to rap, but were not dumb, and we also dont "just" listen to that. It kinda all comes down to whether or not you have an open mind I think. Which honestly, can make or break you. - democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19I can guess you like rap music. A lot. Which I'm guessing by your poor spelling and grammar, and your attitude.
Did I guess right? - UrsaMare, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@WaterDragon
Hmm... you don't find glorification of criminality in other genres:
"I Fought the Law" and "Anarchy in the UK" by the Clash
"Hot Rod Lincoln" by Commander Cody
"I Shot the Sherriff" by Bob Marley and the Wailers
"Saturday Night's Alright (for Fighting)" by Elton John
"Run for Your Life" by the Beatles
"Blackout" by the Dropkick Murphies
"Been Caught Stealing" by Jane's Addiction
"Wanted Man" by Johnny Cash
Many popular music genres spring from counter-cultures and often advocate opposition to the establishment including, in some cases, criminality. I grant, not all of the examples above are necessarily positive portrayals of criminal acts, but it wasn't particular hard to find lyrics containing violence and crime. This is even ignoring folk and country music that may glorify figures such as Bonnie and Clyde and Jesse James.
Gansta rap may be more explicit, and focus on those themes more, but they hardly have a monopoly. Crime and violence are part of the human condition, and as such, our art will always reflect that. - aeiou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Yes, I have. I just filled it out.
http://www.musicaltastetest.com/ - patience, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Hey Rednecks: there are people who like rap and classical and are educated.
Its amazing how you take the few bad apples and stereotype a whole group of people.
This whole discussion is really about race and not about rap. Come out say it instead of hiding behind doublespeak about music. And don't give me the white dumb kids like rap too line.
I would suggest going here. At least there everyone is upfront about their beliefs:
www.stormfront.org
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The study isn't BS - you're reading way too much into it. This study simply claims (and I'd believe rightly) that there is a correlation between musical tastes and income/education. That's it. Anyone conducting the study will know that correlation and causation are two different things (although the media likes to ignore that fact). The study doesn't say being rich will make you listen to classical music, nor does it say that listening to classical music will make you richer. I just states a correlation exists. We can throw out all the theories we want, but they're just guesses unless we conduct a real, proper, study ourselves addressing those theories.
- KevyKev, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"Pardon me..."
"Whaddup dawg?"
"Would you have any Grey Poupon?"
"Fo' Sho."
:D - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There's also a difference between liking some Westside Connections song, and then actually taking their lyrics seriously.
I'd go to see Bad Religion or NOFX play, but I'd also go to a jazz festival, the Rolling Stones, or even a drum n bass club sometimes. Except for opera, country, or polka I probably like at least a couple songs from most genres. Some songs I like because of the lyrics, some for the music, and some for both. - theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@nofxjunkee
If you don't like Polka, it is for one reason and one reason only, you have never BEEN to a polka!
Once you go to one, you will be hooked. Not to say you will blast it a 142 dB out of your 4 15" subs in the back of your Civic, but you will smile when you hear it.
100+ drunk-as-hell happy ***** dancing around, hugging on each-other and having the time of their lives while a polka band plays for the crowd! AWESOME Experience!
Try it once!
(BTW Franco Un-American is one of my favorite songs of all time!) - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I was a big fan of rap for a while until I realized something. There are two kinds of rap, the gangsta rap type ( even though it doesnt have to be classifed as gangsta rap to be put into this category) that raps incoherently about chicks and cars etc. Then there is rap as it is meant to be as a form of expression like Common, Nas, Jurassic 5, some of 2pac's/eminem, etc.
Rap has been on the decline ( in terms of quality) ever since 1990 and the new school rappers came in and it stopped being about expressing yourself and more about bragging about cars and guns. You can say the same thing about dancing, back in the 70's it was about style and people had moves most of it just the same ole bump and grind.
It's also getting alot harder to sift through the crap I don't like since for every 20-25 garbage albums you might get 2 or 3 good ones. - radu79, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Hmm, I like Haggard: www.haggard.de (Not Merle Haggard)
They sing a combination of clasical and death metal, and some opera too. But they have real instruments, and they are not like Therion.
So what would this make me? Some sort of punk, or an educated person? :D - angelp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Aaahhh....glad to see someone else saw through the facade.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I generally don't like rap, but I've learned not to throw out a whole genre just because I don't like most bands in the genre. Since then, I've actually found bluegrass, country, and even rap music I like. Though I'm mainly an indie snob.
Anyhow, for some really good hip-hop/rap check out The Root's latest album, Game Theory. It's superb both lyrically and musically.. far from the usual garbage you'd hear on your local rap radio station or what have you. - marby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7A lot of pet peeves in the above comments. Mine is people who assign value to taste in Art, food, or whatever. For example, believing that the kind of music you like is inherently superior to the type that you don't like. Art is whatever moves you, uplifts you, or even just makes you happy. I am pushing 60 and I like a lot of modern pop and rock even though I can't understand the lyrics. I like the way it sounds and makes me feel. I also like classical music. I even like some rap music. Kanye West is a very bright guy and some of his rap music definitely goes beyond gangster values and ideas.
Stereotypes might work on groups, but individuals deserve to be taken straight up, on their own terms, and not based on some stereotype we have about the group they belong to. - sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So all blacks listen to rap?
;) - skywake, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11yeah... Rap gets on my nerve... actually the majority of "modern pop" has a similar effect on me. I dont see how lyrics like "me he ma de me he" or "My milkshake brings all the boys to the yar'" or "ming ming ming ming bah bah" are creative or intelegent. maybe I am missing some deeper meaning. :P
I am trying to figure out where I sit in this whole "music corelates intelegence". How can you define someone who likes Tom Waits, The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and Ben Folds as anything other then Alternative? is there any other good music? because i cant see it.... - angelp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You just described a person at my company who listens to emo.I'd never heard emo music before until they played it. Quite frankly, I thought it was garbage and wondered how dare they put down rap music after listening to that nonsense. But they swore up and down that the music was full of substance but couldn't even explain to me what in the world those "singers" were screaming about.
- m3tallicAm4n666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Get it? STEREOtypes and music? haha.. oh sorry? pun
- ArminiusVambrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Quick clarification: All rap is hip-hop. Not all hip-hop is rap.
- AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8*raises hand*
allow me to be proof - patience, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6All this theory is fine. However, when you are "stereotyped" out of a job, it doesn't matter whether its physiological or whatever, it sucks.
My take on sterotypes: I have them. However, when I am hiring, grading, or doing anything that involves another person of a different color, I put them aside and give the person a chance.
Stereotypes are fine. Discrimination is not. Those are two different things. - jhanc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6On the contrary, I think it lacks in its branching of music as a whole. If the guy is trying to diversify people by what type of music they listen to, he should have more selections or an optional field for people to put in something for themselves. I was disappointed by the lack of metal genres he had listed, but confused by all the folk subgenres. Rock certainly does NOT belong in the same category as metal. He should have used some sort of easier way to categorize and select what people listen to, and not just some huge list.
- CrackIsWack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Commercial/radio rap isn't what music is supposed to be about, it's a money making device...
- Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6More like...
"Pardon me..."
"Whaddup dawg?"
"Would you have any Grey Poupon?"
"What you call me, nyukka?" - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This study is pretty useless. It's like saying people with higher incomes have better taste in food and diverge in more stimulating activities. Of course it's gonna be that way. Money doesn't make you more sophisticated, it just gives you more expensive alternatives in life. A rich ignorant person is still gonna be an ignorant person.
- tekitox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7" And because music preference is 'easy to report reliably', researchers may be able to someday infer characteristics of certain groups of people based simply on their stated listening habits. "
And "someday" you will go to jail because you like rap ? As a prevention measure ?? - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nope, 1985-1993 was the golden era of rap and gangsta rap developed in 1990
- playboy601, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5although there is some truth to the stereotypes of music genres and the people who listen to them, the fact is.. it's just that.. a stereotype.
The same can be said for for any stereotype, especially racial, and this stereotype can be tied in with that also ("people who listen to rap are stupid + people who listen to rap are majority black = black people are stupid") This is ridiculous and racist.
I know plenty of very intelligent people who enjoy listening to rap/hip-hop music, and yes many of them are not african-american. I myself am not african-american but I love hip-hop/rap, and I am far from being stupid. Albeit, a lot of the lyrics have no intelligent meaning whatsoever.. but the fact is.. people listen to rap/hip-hop because the actual music and beat is catchy.. they could care less what the lyrics are saying.
Music is a personal taste, and to me, has nothing to do with ones intelligence or social status. Come on.. even less intelligent people can listen to opera and classical music, but does that make them smart? -
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