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- trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+111Bureaucrat rank 1:
You're technically innocent. The best kind of innocent. - IceBurrg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+79You write a best-selling novel, star in a made-for-TV movie, and then concentrate on finding ways to spend your millions.
- redmaxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39@lukeydukey
You're mistaken. Double Jeopardy means you can't even be *tried* for the same crime twice. A prosecutor has one chance to do his job. It prevents the state from ruining your life trying a case over and over and over... - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Lying to the Jury = not a crime.
Lying to the Court (after being sworn in) = crime (Perjury).
Confessions to perjury vary in their punishment of up to 5 years imprisonment. 5 years for murder, perjury, and undoubtedly destruction of evidence (as it's virtually impossible to commit a crime, especially murder, without leaving a trail and being busted via that trail). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18You hope and pray the Boondock saints don't hear of it. I'd love to hear on the news one day that OJ was found nearly decapitated in his backyard and there were bloody gloves that match HIS hands, that only HIS blood was found in the murder scene... and to make it even better, only his finger prints found on the murder weapon.
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19But in OJ's case, he was already found liable in civil court. I dont think they can sue him AGAIN in civil court for the exact same thing just because they want more money.
But IANAL. I just wanted an excuse to type the word anal. - Aliasing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Issei Sagawa is kind of an extraordinary example of this; became a celebrity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa
However in 99% of cases admission of guilt with criminal Double Jeopardy in place practically guarantees infinite punitive damages via Civil Court. You might not be in jail but you sure as heck will never have a dime to your name for the rest of your life. - Splizxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14If the glove doesn't fit then you must acquit.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I imagine not too many people trust OJ Simpson, let alone after this whole book fiasco. It's a good thing he was rich before the trail, because he'll never be able to get a real job again. I doubt even McD's would hire him.
- draebor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The Chewbacca Defense worked pretty well for him.
- knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Makes me think of Emmett Till's killers.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There is some small honor to confessing a crime and accepting the punishment. Confessing to a crime when you can no longer be punished for it is nothing more than taunting.
- johnpaul191, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8in this specific case... OJ never took the stand. if i remember right i think the only thing he really did was give fingerprints, DNA samples and try on a glove. i don't remember this enough to recall what his lawyers claimed he was doing that night. if they just ran in circles and did not lie so much, then probably nothing. he lost the civil case anyway.
- credential101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Always Keep Your Mouth Shut
- grinding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Read the article:
"An acquittal bars reprosecution not only for the offense but for related subsidiary crimes. That is, if you’re acquitted of murder in the shotgun death of your unfaithful spouse, you can't be hauled in for a new trial for assault with a deadly weapon, or even for discharging a firearm inside city limits." - DrScott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7A confession might lead to an insight of another violation of the law. Since I believe you can't be tried for the same crime twice, a new case for a new crime might do the trick.
- ngmcs8203, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why wouldn't double jeopardy come in to play? here? Because of perjury? I guess that makes sense. You are found innocent so you can't be tried for murder, but you were never tried for perjury and found innocent. Interesting...
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7wasn't funny 12 years ago, isn't funny now.
- Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5But his dog's name is Max.
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Read the article.
Seriously, if you click the blue text you get taken to a new page with information on. It's great.
Welcome to the internet - whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+4Your foster parents are dead.
- Itkovian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Namco: The A-team never kills anybody, they only 'disable' the enemy.
- j0hnc0ry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bank robbery is a federal crime because the money is insured by the FDIC.
- undergrace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Who took the pictures? Apparently it's against the law to knowingly witness a crime and not assist the victim. Atleast, I saw that on a Seinfeld episode... and TV doesn't lie...
- eliezerlp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3From their front page:
"FIGHTING IGNORANCE SINCE 1973
(IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT)"
Made me laugh. - Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No (tell me if I'm wrong but) because after the sentence is served that means that it is over. This would be a new charge for a new crime. It was committed against the same person however it is in fact a new crime. I think there was something similar to what you are referring to and that is in the movie Double Jeopardy. I believe your "friend" would have had to been found not guilty or acquitted of the crime the first time and then he could have done the crime again.
- edlowe0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This happened in my home town years ago. Guy found not guilty for murder, then someone finds pictures of him killing the victim. Perjury, not murder.
- Serrac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@webwidejosh.
RTFA. - JMartin13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2thcobbs:
I would love to see you provide some type of evidence for that, because that is in no way correct. If you are aquitted of a crime, you CANNOT be retried for that crime. End of story. It doesnt matter what new evidence comes up. - dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If you thought you could still go to jail, you just wouldn't confess, and you'd still be a free man. But the rest of us would be ignorant of your crime.
It's not a choice between sending them to jail or letting them go free. It's a choice between knowledge and ignorance. - j0hnc0ry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just to clear things up, in the U.S. court system, a defendant is not "found innocent." The said defendant is either "guilty" or "not guilty." A person can also be tried for the same crime twice. In some cases, if the defendant breaks a state and federal law (bank robbery, kidnapping, murder) the federal courts retain the right to try the defendant for the same charge.
- hengineer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's sad is you can only get him in court for perjury if he ACTIVELY lied. If he plead the 5th throughout the entire court proceedings...then you can't try him on perjury, because technically, he never said he didn't do it.
- Nothlit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hence the article's use of the word "eponymous." http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aeponymous
- sizbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@knightblade2oo4
Surrsly. Anyone who's ever seen footage of Till's murderers proudly confessing a detailed account of the lynching knows that justice ain't always served. That, and some journalists are just spineless or evil, or both. It really shocked me when I heard that the publisher of OJ's book backed out at the last minute. I'd like to believe it was a moral choice, but meh, probably just money or politics. - cvweiss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yup, amazingly, it was called Double Jeopardy
http://imdb.com/title/tt0150377/ - laplie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mitrovarr
Wrong:
"An acquittal bars reprosecution not only for the offense but for related subsidiary crimes. That is, if you’re acquitted of murder in the shotgun death of your unfaithful spouse, you can't be hauled in for a new trial for assault with a deadly weapon, or even for discharging a firearm inside city limits." - Nothlit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it was a rhetorical question.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There is at least one good precedent for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Ignatow
Basically he went to jail for perjury, but not for nearly as long as he would have for murder. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Uh, nothing happens. Double Jeopardy isn't news, people.
If OJ confessed... nothing at all would happen. Well, a few things, but nothing major:
The media would have a frenzy, he'd be interviewed left and right, and you'd have everyone's minds at ease.
That's really about it. There's no loophole about lying, covering up, etc etc... flat out, if you're found not guilty of a crime, you're absolved of all future trials pertaining to that crime. It cannot happen no matter how hard someone tries. - JMartin13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ex post facto
look it up - seaeaglesrule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@webwidejosh
From the article: An acquittal bars reprosecution not only for the offense but for related subsidiary crimes. That is, if you’re acquitted of murder in the shotgun death of your unfaithful spouse, you can't be hauled in for a new trial for assault with a deadly weapon, or even for discharging a firearm inside city limits. If, however, you chose to testify in your murder trial and lied, your subsequent confession of guilt may open you up to perjury charges. - j0hnc0ry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1(murder of a federal employee)
- 3amfriday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow...you just brought me back to 1st grade.
- undergrace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My favorite:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_195.html - 3amfriday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bureaucracy makes my head hurt...I'm going to bed.
- aserer511, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nothing, it's evident you said it in durress.
- kavaliro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FTA: "...and whaling on him again."
The spell checker was not your friend. I'll help: it is spelled, "wailing."
Unless the person you're talking about is named Captain Ahab.
And that's the strait dope. ;) - marcushe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nothing - you're a free man. You've been tried in the court of law and found innocent. Can't be tried twice for the same crime under the law of double jeopardy.
- morningmatters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This reminds of the famous Emit Till case, except that the murderers were to benefit from the crime by telling a reporter that they did in fact commit the murder.
- undergrace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Man, Arizona vs. Washington was a high scoring game!
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