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- Paktu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+125I don't get it. Although a coincidence like this was incredibly unlikely to happen, why did the criminal use someone else's ID to buy alcohol when she was already over 21?
- calpaully, on 10/12/2007, -1/+107Perhaps she was planning on paying with the stolen credit card and wanted be consistent.
- themarq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+102There's just no accounting for the stupidity of some criminals.
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35I mean, if they live in the same city, and she works in a restaurant, and the woman is using the credit card to make purchases in the city, then the odds are probably a lot better.
- marauder34, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Seriously..what are the odds?
- kaytrio, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Haha, they "defy calculation" :) 1 in 6 billion?
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24They're not that low, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westlake,_Ohio
Population: 31,000. That's a pretty small town. The town I live in has a pop of 35,000. Assume you're a dumbass, you've got a stolen wallet you found in town, and you decide to use it to get a bite downtown. There are about 20 restraunts downtown (generous estimate) There are maybe 20 waitresses at each restraunt (again, very generous).
That'd be a 1:4000 chance, no?
Admittedly, the chances that the wallet you found belongs to a waitress are slim, but once you've got it, the hard part's done.
Anyway, if you find a wallet and use it in the owner's home town of 30,000 your chances of meeting them are better than your chances of being struck by lightning.
"Haha, they "defy calculation" :) 1 in 6 billion?"
Try 1 in 30,000. That's what you get for using an ID in the same town that's printed on it as the home adress. - dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28One of her credit cards was also taken. And I bet you that she planned on paying for her drinks with said card if she hadn't of gotten caught. ;)
- tsaylor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22"Haha, they "defy calculation" :) 1 in 6 billion?"
Well, be fair about it; it defies calculation for that guy. He is only a cop after all, probably not too good at your fancy math. - RyomaNagare, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Criminals, are a Superstitious, Cowardly Lot
- KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Aww when i posted this yesterday I got one digg :(.but its a funny story, digg.
- MajorD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14We're surrounding by a bunch of sleuths today! Good detective work boys!
Can any of you tell me where I left my keys this morning? - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16*runs downstairs to corner store to buy lotto ticket*
- gregmo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14i dont think people realize just how nuts this
- Tweidle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17 Perhaps so she could pay with the stolen Credit Card / Check?
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10""""Can any of you tell me where I left my keys this morning?"""""
They are on the kitchen counter.
Eric Wilson - fodder650, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Karma is a bitch.
And unless she looks 28 she gets carded. The police and liquor control boards check places a lot. So a lot of bars dont play with "Well you look 21" anymore. - hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10if you read the article more closely you'll see the woman tried to use the license last week of july but the CC was reported stolen july 9th. If the victim didnt cancel her card after 1000 dollars worth or purchases by the time the license was used at the restaurant then something was really wrong, so that cant be why the lady was using the id. Strange.
- slowspin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9OK I went back and dugg yours too ;-)
I think it didn't get attention because of the title. Just so you know for next time! - whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7When I was a bounced at a bar we did a check every night at 9:30 to kick out people under 21. I came up to one guy and he gave me my friends ID. I started playing like it was him and he got really confused until I told him he was SOL and I knew the guy in the ID. He laughed and walked out. I gave my friend back his ID. He claimed it was "stolen"... sure.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm 23 and my fiance is 24. We both get carded at least half the time.
- quisp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7No, that would be a 1:400 chance.
- fifty50, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Police Captain Guy Turner said the odds of something like that happening defy calculation."
That sentence just made my day. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Some places require ID for all credit cards."
While true, that's actually a violation of the visa card acceptance policy.
See PDF page 34 (marked as page 30)
http://merchants.visa.com/prevention/pdfs/Card_Acceptance_and_Chargeback_Guidelines.pdf
"When should you ask a cardholder for an official government ID? In most cases,
merchants may not ask for an ID as part of their regular card acceptance
procedures"
"“See ID” or “Ask for ID” is not a valid substitute for a signature. The customer
must sign the card in your presence, as stated above."
They're a lot better about following these rules at banks. The local Wells Fargo won't accept a card unless it has _your signature_ on the back. - TomP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is one of them things that would go on A.D.C (America's Dumbest Criminals) great program!
- KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yay!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4In Soviet Russia ID........
- VinceNoir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@MajorD
Why don't you look in the last place you left them? - BobMac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I used to work at a grocery store. One day, a kid came in showing a fellow employee's ID. I kept the ID and he ran out.
- weighsaton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4the perils of digging. There will always be next time :)
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6You can't calculate the numbers based solely on how many people are around. I do not know how to solve the problem, but you have to take into account not just the number of waitresses and/or alcohol-serving workers, but you have to take into account how many people who steal driver's licenses would be dumb enough to show that license to its owner.
- jefbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 @merreborn
"Try 1 in 30,000. That's what you get for using an ID in the same town that's printed on it as the home adress."
You cant actually just use the number of residents in the town. You would have to account for the fact that its highly unlikely that you stole a waitresses ID, went to the restaurant she worked at, and she was your waitress. - drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Or just more stupid people in the world than I'd like to believe
- DBOi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wish this happened to me, when someone stole my wallet
- persaltier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How stupid did she actually have to be though....When i was younger and was carded at the BEGINNING of the meal, I showed my ID. When the check came AT THE END OF THE MEAL, I showed my credit card, no ID needed. The two never crossed paths. She deserves to be put back in 2nd grade, not jail.
- Lunchbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok, so my good friend works with this girl. I just taled to him about this whole situation. The girl aparently lost her wallet, so she used the other ID (the waitress') to buy drinks. I asked him about the credit card thing, and he said that he didn't want to bring that up to her.
- RATabora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Classic knee slapper :)
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not surprising that criminals usually get caught doing stupid things. People with some sense usually just get a job and become somewhat successful. (or create scandals like Enron)
- angusm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's a story that a cashier at the Yale Co-Op, the 'university store' attached to Yale University in New Haven, CT, was once presented with a credit card that said that the bearer was "Mrs Kingman Brewster". Unfortunately for the person presenting the card, Kingman Brewster was President of Yale at the time and thus probably the one person in town whose name would be known to anyone associated in any way with the university. Mr Brewster being pretty much the epitome of upper-class New England WASPhood, the cashier correctly concluded that it was unlikely that his wife was a very young African-American woman, and - as they say over at Fark - 'jailarity ensued'.
The moral being that proper planning and background research is as essential in crime as it is in any other part of life. - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Wow after the 91 duplicates, this one made it to the front page, YAY!
- missflibbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In the US, most people have a driver's license which they use for ID. Other people just go to the DMV and get an identification card that isn't a driver's license. You don't get automatically issued any state ID.
- p5ychop3nguin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This type of story has appeared on digg at least twice before:
http://www.digg.com/general_sciences/Customer_hands_pizza_delivery_man_his_own_credit_card_to_pay_for_pizza
and
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Clerk_Notices_Her_Stolen_Credit_Card_Being_Used_By_Customer - obezyana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is there some ID everyone is automatically issued when they hit 21 that I don't know about yet? I'll be 21 soon, and the only ID I have is a school ID (which doesn't have my DOB listed) and a passport (and let's face it, not everyone has one; of those who do, how many carry it to a BAR? I carry a copy of mine everywhere, but that's because of an incident involving the police which I doubt many others have been through.)
- missflibbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Merreborn, that's interesting. I didn't know that.
What about non-Visa cards? I don't know their policies, but this seems to apply only to Visa cards.
It should be permitted to write "see ID" on your card rather than signing, for this reason: almost every place I go to does not compare the ***** signature on the card to the one I just put on the paper. I know they do this because I get my card back, and then I sign. Yes, you can look at the signature on the card before you swipe it, but they also don't look at what I just put on the paper.
My card was signed at first, but then I struck a line through it and wrote CID twice in the signature space. Almost half of the places I have gone don't ask me for ID, and in the case of a restaurant, when they leave and I sign the check and walk out, I'm pretty certain they're not comparing signatures.
Also, the practice of signing the card in front of the cashier? How, exactly, is that not completely retarded?
Hm, I just stole an unsigned card and have to sign it in front of the cashier. Thank you for ensuring the signature on this card will match the one I put on paper. Good thinking, guys.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying the policies are stupid. - fodder650, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The picture in the article isn't her. Its the person who took her ID
- willclarke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow she looks pretty hot.
- umdigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've always wanted a girl with mouth herpes, it like "extra ribbed, for his pleasure".
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah it's the smart ones ones that never get caught you have to watch out for, and trust me, there are plenty of them.
- obezyana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The non-driver's-license from the DMV is good to know about. I don't want to waste my time getting a driver's license (I have neither the money to buy a car, nor the opportunity to borrow one, or the patience to learn a skill I can't use anytime soon) but it's bloody annoying to get carded and have to dig out a photocopy of a passport. Never mind figuring out new ways to fold it up to fit in my pocket/wallet/purse/etc. without creasing it so much that it needs re-copying.
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