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- bobbybobington, on 11/18/2007, -18/+80Try reading the New Testament:
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, "Master, which is the greatest
commandment in the law?" Jesus said unto him,"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). - drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -14/+64Someone didn't read the WHOLE Bible...
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Rom. 3:21-23) - drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -6/+24"I can't wait for the missionaries and pilgrims of Christ that enter a third world coutnry and say, "Here brother, lend me your hand." instead of the current, "Here brother, read this and you shall be saved. Offer charity and charity will be lent to you.""
Strange ... pretty much every mission trip and missions organization I've ever come in contact with does humanitarian work. I can't actually think of any who would not offer help where it's needed regardless of an opportunity to preach.
As for the rest of it, the book of Romans pretty much explains how the Old and New Testaments relate to one another. Basically, the law exists so that we would understand that we are incapable of living a righteous life, and understand that we need God's mercy and grace rather than our own merits. - RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2007, -4/+18It's always nice how the parts of the bible which match our current culture are the correct interpretations, and the ones that don't fall into the misinterpretation pile.
- gmprunner, on 11/18/2007, -15/+28You really can't expect the Bible to make perfect sense. It's a huge compilation of various literary works written by humans at different periods in history for various audiences and translated (often incorrectly) countless times over hundreds and hundreds of years.
- minoss, on 11/18/2007, -2/+15Well, when God decides to keep a different set of laws based on where you live it can be tough to keep it in order.
- JigoroKano, on 11/18/2007, -11/+23Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. -- Jesus
- Androfire, on 11/18/2007, -8/+18Well then, I guess I'll see you all downstairs..
- Gogogo111, on 11/18/2007, -2/+8...
Then you're not an atheist. - Cashmoney504, on 11/18/2007, -4/+10Ramen.
- Nudar, on 11/18/2007, -12/+18You've been lied to AriaStar. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life in "hell". Only those in Heaven have eternal life and it's not the boring harp playing on a cloud that Satan has fooled people into believing in. It's excitement that can't even be understood here. There's no sickness or death. God Himself will wipe away all tears. Your life on Earth may be filled with obstacles but what's 75 years compared to an eternity of endless bliss.
- kindrobot, on 11/18/2007, -2/+7I just wanted to take a moment to say HI!!! to all the people who just signed up today in these comments. Welcome to digg! :)
- zeebo, on 11/18/2007, -1/+6I never have been able to figure out how the whole 'all knowing and all loving' thing jives with the 'burning forever in a lake of fire' thing. I mean, if he were all loving, why the hell would he toss people into a lake of fire? That seems pretty harsh, especially for people whose crime is something as simple as denying the existence of the holy spirit. We typically condemn governments who imprison and execute dissidents these days.
However, hell makes even less sense in light of the 'all knowing' part, you do realize that means that he would know every minute detail of the suffering of those he had sentenced to that? - capiCrimm, on 11/18/2007, -1/+6The point is that Jesus couldn't contradict the earlier words. He can't come in and say, "forget about all the stuff in the old testament, just love everyone and be happy". If he did that he would be a false prophet. Which is the original point of JigoroKano's quote, to prove Jesus didn't change the laws and that he wasn't a false prophet. You're point doesn't seem to do anything to even relate to his point, least of all refute the refutation.
- ejhops, on 11/18/2007, -0/+5a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst)
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods. - RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2007, -1/+5It was good for the time, and I admire it as literature for that reason as well as for being such a major influence for so long. But come on, amazing? Even if we take translations into the equasion, compare it to the Iliad or oddesy. Even Gilgamesh surpasses most of the books of the bible, old or new testament. And if you're talking Christian writing, can you honestly say that anything in the bible matches up to Dante's Divine Comedy? Heck, the lord of the rings/similarian beats it in most respects.
- AXNJAXN, on 11/18/2007, -2/+6But it hasn't been retranslated. When they go to translate the Bible, they don't pull out the previous translation and go from there - they go back as early as possible. This means translating from the Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew texts of the old testament. When they study the bible, then, it's perfectly reasonable to get a copy of the Greek texts in order to properly understand the translated version.
There's a reason why the new testament compels readers to search the scripture to see if these things are so - from the early days of the Christian Church, study of the Bible (first, the old testament, later, the canon) was absolutely necessary to avoid being drawn in by people who would inject their own ideas into the church. - KLowD9x, on 11/18/2007, -5/+9I was raised in a church.
I hated it. Everyone there talked about each other. Stabbed each other in the back. I never said a word, just listened. When I was finally brought into their conversations about other people, thats when I stopped going.
Not to mention, there are over 20 (IIRC) major religions in the world. They all say they are right. A lot say the same thing. How do I know what I was taught as a child is the right thing?
Religion is the most depressing thing that has ever happened to me. I just want to know that, when I die, there is nothing. I don't want there to be a heaven or a hell. I want -nothing-. Meaning, my brain stops functioning, and I am no longer.
I was always told that I am an evil person, flawed, and a sinner. I was told that sinners don't go to heaven. How would I ever get into heaven?I certainly don't want to go to hell.
Thank you for making me an evil person that is destined for hell because I am human and there is nothing I can do to change it. - cephelo, on 11/18/2007, -1/+5Churches need to make this much more clear. Far too many take it as a literal work and literal, unchallengeable word of God -- to a fault of sin. Too many people disregard the love of God and the love of your neighbor and focus strongly on the parts that really don't matter (gay marriage, stem cell, etc). But it's hard to get worked up and use not loving thy neighbor as a political tool...
- Flashtone, on 11/18/2007, -0/+4I fully agree.
- raybury, on 11/18/2007, -2/+6First, "proscribed" is the opposite of "prescribed." Don't use $2 words with a 50-cent vocabulary.
Second, it bears repeating: "An eye for an eye," a.k.a. proportional response, was a considerable improvement over the status quo three millenia ago, which was roughly "he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue." - RollFizzlebeef, on 11/18/2007, -0/+4That's the Chicago way.
- robbyjo, on 11/18/2007, -1/+5If you focus a religion on the people, you made a big mistake. In all groups, there will be some bad apples. You are probably unfortunate to have a church like that. Heck, even in our church, we do have bad people. But I can say the majority are nice people who are willing to help.
Let's say people generalize that all Americans are evil, will you accept that? Sure, some Americans are evil, but some are not. And if they conclude that because Americans are evil therefore democracy doesn't work, what would you say? The democracy isn't bad per se. The people who runs democracy can be bad. - zeebo, on 11/18/2007, -3/+7Its either terribly historically inaccurate in its descritpions of genocides advocated by god that we have no archaelogical evidence for, or god is incredibly immoral by the standards that we have today where you simply don't go and kill every last man woman and child in the next town over because they happen to worship another god.
I'll say this, it is a very important piece of literature for understanding the history of modern western civilization, and the downfall of the classical period. - drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -0/+3Matthew 5:17-18.
- vwvan, on 11/18/2007, -7/+10i love discussions like this and avoid them religiously. its a never-ending blah blah blah vs. blah blah blah.
- Totalchaos02, on 11/18/2007, -1/+4Then why is it taught literally?
- drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -3/+6Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - 1 Corinthians 2:9
- simdac, on 11/18/2007, -0/+2That is exactly the fault of the premise of his book - that's why it comes out the way it does - unreal and real funny
- Webler707, on 11/18/2007, -0/+2Agnostic? I think I have a cream for that.
- tubeblender, on 11/18/2007, -3/+5Can us pastafarians join in the fun? Love thy flying spaghetti monster in the sky or though shalt be pelted with giant spicy meatballs.
The spicy part was mine, but the rest is from the Holy Book of FSM. I swear. - kindrobot, on 11/18/2007, -2/+4Wow! Dugg down for being friendly.
- Totalchaos02, on 11/18/2007, -4/+6That doesn't seem very fair to the demons now, does it?
- jjesusfreak01, on 11/18/2007, -1/+3The whole thing matters, but there are parts that are more crucial in the long run. A Christian should be against stem cell research, and against their church approving of gay marriages (outside of ones church, it really becomes a civil matter that has no bearing on the church).
- robbyjo, on 11/18/2007, -5/+7You said: "I can't wait for the missionaries and pilgrims of Christ that enter a third world coutnry and say, "Here brother, lend me your hand.""
But let's see:
http://www.christianrelief.org/
http://www.cmaid.org/
http://www.cwmission.org.uk
http://www.aicmission.org
http://www.christianaid.info/
That's only a few. Google it and ye shall find. To top that, can anyone show me just one atheist organization that does mission to 3rd world countries? I guess not. - zeebo, on 11/18/2007, -1/+3Of course the easiest way to avoid damnation is still to join the Church of the Subgenius. Eternal Salvation or triple your money back!
- CLShortFuse, on 11/18/2007, -4/+6Um... Jesus did away with the Mosiac Law. There are only a few key things that carried over. We don't have to bury our feces far from camp anymore... but people nowadays just pick and chose what they want from the the Bible anyway. Then they say they're still doing God's will ('cept that part, nah, not for me)
- schuchwun, on 11/18/2007, -8/+10Oh god, I hate religion.
- ccrowe1990, on 11/18/2007, -1/+3Exactly, God gives us the freedom to do what we want.
- Phyltre, on 11/18/2007, -11/+13Unfortunately, this is often taken out of context as you have done. Because in the same book, Jesus says that Moses made allowances in the Law that he shouldn't have, and that these are wrong. So, long story short, that passage doesn't refute anything. He fulfills the law and prophets by becoming a voice for their true message.
- zeebo, on 11/18/2007, -3/+5Last I checked there were a number of secular organizations that provide humanitarian relief. There aren't going to be 'atheist' organizations that do that simply because with no religion to push there's no point in it. Why turn away someone who is willing to help if they don't believe what you do? That only makes sense if you have motives other than helping those who need it.
- JigoroKano, on 11/18/2007, -8/+10Historically accurate like Grimm's fairy tales are historically accurate. You really have to be either a child or an idiot to think those events literally occurred. Talking snakes?
- capiCrimm, on 11/18/2007, -4/+6umm, I saw no flying spaghetti monster, eris, celestial teapot or pink unicorns in your comment, so I'm pretty sure you're the one going to hell. Enjoy your Jeebus you spawn of The Purple Oyster of Doom.
- cephelo, on 11/18/2007, -4/+6Not to mention heavily edited by the Catholic Church, the same Catholic Church that many new-age Christians hate (with their so-called idolatry and supposed worship of Mary). It's hilarious that these Christian churches still use the same tool that the Catholics used for many hundreds of years to maintain their power over Europe.
- drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -1/+3There is no body. Jesus rose from the dead.
- nepawoods, on 11/18/2007, -2/+4"Between going to heaven ... and worshiping the god who made my life hell on earth, or going to hell and getting to have sex and lots of fun ..."
So wait ... hell is sex and lots of fun, and your pissed about the hell on earth God made your life?
You're confused. - PhilTheRed, on 11/18/2007, -6/+8So you just believe that some dude is god and you're ok? Sweet.
- drachemorder, on 11/18/2007, -5/+6God is not going to force you to accept him. If you choose not to then he will respect that choice. Everyone gets what they want in the end --- but not everyone likes it.
- zeebo, on 11/18/2007, -1/+2You do realize that Dante's Inferno was a satire right? There's a reason that its called 'The Divine Comedy' after all.
- knowthyself, on 11/18/2007, -2/+3It should be understood that there is more than one category of law within the Old Testament / Torah, just as there are many types of law in any modern system. Also there multiple systems of law within the Torah, enforced at different levels. Civil law, home law, individual moral standards, etc.
Expecting this guy to go out there and stone an adulteress is a little like expecting any given American citizen to go out there and shoot a politician for treason. Both actions are illegal under their respective systems because these laws were obviously intended for the context of a consenting society with established mechanisms for carrying out the law.
Most of the petty criticisms leveled against "the law of Moses" fail to understand the context of the society for which they were written. Or for that matter, the context of the historical era (brutally violent) during which they were intended. A serious study of biblical law will reveal to the honest searcher a very sophisticated self-coherent system obviously capable of surviving the test of time. From there it becomes quite plausible that the unique historical juxtapositioning of Israel, Jerusalem, and the scriptures as a whole could be the personal revelation of a living God that chooses to act very selectively in time, history, and human development. -
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