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- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+99This provision is mainly in place because of the whole Wesley Snipes tax thing. As you may or may not know, he steals watches and stuff to fund his eternal war against the forces of darkness. Until recently his accountants had no way to address this income source, until the IRS came to the rescue. The serum, of course, is a business expense.
- TriZz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+64Hmmmmm...at least 80 DVDs, 200 CD's, a ***** ton of software.
Maybe this is a trick from the **AA. Perhaps they're hoping you'll list what you stole so that it's just easier to get to you. If I ever get caught - that's my new defense!!
Them: "Did you illegally obtain any music, movies or software from the internet?"
Me: "Absolutely not! You can check my taxes!!" - mayhemt, on 10/12/2007, -10/+71because you dont have Mac, digg, google, Ubuntu or amazing!!!!!! keywords in title..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43If stolen property is outlawed, only outlaws will declare taxes.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34I take the 5th.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35Maybe it's because so many people are blocking your whiny ass.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30This isn't an issue of the IRS redefining a word. This is an issue of the IRS presenting one position, a individual presenting an opposing position, and the courts siding with the IRS. It doesn't matter if the individual _believes_ he is correct; the ruling of the court is what defines the truth for that situation.
I'm all for not paying federal income tax; I would love to stop. But I've been told by the IRS that I must and I've been given reasons by the courts why the IRS is "correct." I could fight it but I will lose; the fight has been fought, and lost, many times before. As much as I believe I don't have to the rulings of the courts demand that I pay federal income tax.
Again, _you_ can refuse to pay income tax; I have no problem with _you_ choosing so. I do have a problem with you advocating others to follow your example when there are severe consequences of doing so. You're leading them down the path without telling them that there can be, and most likely will be, extreme punishment for breaking the law. It doesn't matter how much you say that the law is unconstitutional; the courts, including the Supreme Court, have said that the law is constitutional. Your belief isn't the one that matters. You are doing a disservice on a very high level by trying to convince others to take an action that could destroy their lives. - ChronicColonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Does the IRS have to fill out one of these forms for the money they are stealing from our income?
- profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Try this next time:
"AMAZING!! IRS 2.0 requires you to declare 'stolen property' on your tax return!!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23If I return the stolen property next year, does it count as a charitable donation?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I point you to the IRS' position on "voluntary" tax return filing.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html
Basically your position is harmful because, unfortunately, the income tax has been declared entirely legal by the courts. I'm fine if you want to continue to hold the position that income tax is voluntary, but please don't mislead others into believing so and take them down with you. - pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Burying your now front-paged article because you're a whiny prick...
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Two crimes for the price of one. Yay.
What if you gift/donate the stolen items? Can you get a decent tax break? - Dpack1, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30@lordthor
Cos your status bar doesnt warn you about where the link is taking you and your lame ass computer cant handle opening a pdf?
I bury you. - profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23What in the hell is your problem?
- hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19This isn't news. They used this provision to send Al Capone to jail for income-tax evasion on revenue from illegal activity 75 years ago.
- CobaltBlue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I think that you need to say "Addicting new tax law!"
- xero9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Ah it gets better...
Page 89:
Illegal income. Illegal income, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14If you kidnap someone, can you declare them as a dependant?
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Maybe its because you commented on your own submission 4 times asking why you haven't made the front page...
- tomisina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13i love it... i bet if you were caught with a whole bunch of stolen property they'd charge you with stealing the property and evading taxes on the stolen proptery
- jwaddell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13this nonsense over what is "legal" or not - at the end of the day, "legal" is whatever those who have the most guns say it is. Trust me, the government has more guns than you. Google "Larken Rose" if you are not sure about that.
- d4nie1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It's page 90 of the pdf, but page 88 in the document.
- Smooph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Does this include intellectual property??? ;)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@republick
"The 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified so he is right about income taxes being voluntary."
That argument is bunk. Ohio was a state at the time of the ratification of the 16th Amendment and different spelling, capitalization, and punctuation has no bearing on the law itself (lack of punctuation can). The 16th Amendment was properly ratified; the courts have upheld this.
@Ozymandias42
"If you're fine with him wanting to hold that position, why aren't you fine with him trying to convince other people they should also want to hold that position? If it's fine to want to hold that position, then it should also be fine to convince others that it's fine."
I'm fine if you want to jump off a cliff. I'm not fine if you try to convince others that jumping off that cliff won't kill you. If someone wants to take a faulty path of his own volition then you have my blessing; once you try to bring others into your faulty thinking, especially when that thinking is dangerous, then I have a problem. His position is knowingly false yet he is trying to seduce others to follow him without warning them of the dangerous of doing so. That is irresponsible. - SalsaConSabor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9you DO know you sound like a prick when you pose non-obvious information in this form, right?
- hodrige, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I am sure that some people report their stolen properties.... the same way people pay taxes on their Crack and other "unauthorized substance tax"
see:
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/5071256.html - errorjustin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Not to ruin the hilarity parade, but this clause was probably put in to prevent a loophole some people were expoiting. Something like a spouse "stealing" like 100K from their partner or something, to avoid paying tax on it. So this was added to cover those bases.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Not only that but a lot of states are taxing illegal drugs. If you're selling pot without a tax stamp law enforcement can seize and auction off other property to pay the tax.
I think the government profiting from crime and vice is just wrong. It sets up a kind of sickening partnership between government, law enforcement and crime. Some law enforcement agencies get up to 25% of their budgets from drug seizures. If the police find a wad of cash they can claim it unless you can prove it didn't come from drug sales, independent of whether you've been charged with a drug crime. Many agents are getting prompted based on seizure metrics (though no law enforcement organization would admit to it). What incentive is that to win the war on drugs? If drug trafficking dries up, a quarter of your budget disappears. And the potential for abuse is even more outrageous. Want to put some pressure on that guy with the nice boat? Plant some drugs and seize it. Think that never happens?
We have to set a higher standard in this country or we're just going to continue a war that is little more than a war against individual freedom. - gaijintendo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This digg page is the funniest ever, and I haven't clicked the link yet. borderwall replying to himself 5 times is the funnies internal dialogue I have ever seen.
- errorjustin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8They do it so that when you do illegal things like deal drugs, you're breaking TWO laws. If you get caught, you're whacked for the actual offense (drug dealing), and for not paying taxes on that income (which obviously no one would). You get a bigger sentence and/or a really stiff financial penalty.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Your problem is you believe what they tell you to believe."
I believe what I see with my own eyes or can fathom according to the natural and societal laws. The courts have upheld laws requiring to pay federal income tax so I am obligated to "believe" this despite how much I would rather not. No one is telling me what to believe; the courts are telling me how things _are_. I may not like it but I understand that the courts have been granted the authority to do so.
"Ratified is ratified."
Tautologies aside, ratified is what is upheld by the courts. Any challenge to the 16th Amendment has been shot down. Are you qualified to know more about case law and constitutionality than the Supreme Court of the United States?
"I bet you work for the IRS you filthy excuse for a human."
No, I don't work for the IRS. I do work as a government contractor at a multi-national corporation. And your insult is unwarranted; I'm not the one advocating people perform a knowingly illegal action without warning them of the risks and dangerous involved. - yikiad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7looks like I have to return that pen to work. DAMN!! i love that pen!
- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Now you've got it! Double Whammy.
- sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Oh no, dose that mean I have to declare all those bitTorrent files I downloaded.
- Nichevo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17Exactly ^^^
Imagine if other mafia Dons had to declare everything they had their minions do...
They'd go broke! - zero01101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i can already see the riaa demanding severe audits on everyone who settled out of court...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13The 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified so he is right about income taxes being voluntary. That said, men in ski masks and flak jackets, without regard or knowledge of the facts about taxes, will come to your house with the intent of putting you in a cage and kill you if you don't comply. This is why even most people who know income taxes are illegal still pay them. Including myself.
- ophilye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6that really is the point.
You can buy little stickers from the IRS that say "Taxes paid on $1,000 worth of property". You put them on bags of drugs.
Then, if you get busted, you actually only get busted for the drugs.
The tax part is always what really kills ya' anyway. I'm surprised the RIAA doesn't have the IRS with them. "These people are stealing music... AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES ON IT!"
I truly enjoy the laws regarding Garage sales & the like the most. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"For instance, what law makes me (or you) a "person liable" for the income tax? Have you ever read that law? Just quote title and chapter, and all this will be settled."
Here you go:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00006012----000-.html
I'm pretty sure that almost everyone currently paying taxes fit one or more of those criteria of those required to pay income tax. Don't go into court arguing ignorance of the law and expecting to get off. - pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9They're not stolen. You're just infringing on the copyright.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Doesn't stop it from being an excellent example of stupidity in bureaucracy.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@republik: I'm sorry, but you're wrong about Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad. In that case, the court stated that an income tax was not a direct tax but was actually an excise tax (or indirect tax if you prefer), and so Article 1 Section 9 did not prohibit it. They did say that the 16th Amendment did not change anything there, but they also said that income taxes were okay in the first place.
- eklass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@lordthor
You sir, need link alert:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3199/ - Devrdander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The IRS had been gathering tax evasion information on Capone for some time through a hired agent, Eddie O'Hare. O'Hare ran Capone's dog and race tracks and told the IRS where they could find Capone's financial records. On November 24, Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years in Federal prison, fined $50,000, charged $7692 for court costs, and $215,000 in back taxes for tax evasion.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That "You don't have to pay taxes" thing has been going around for decades. Every single case that's gone to court about it - the courts have sided with the IRS, and the defendant has had to pay up, and sometimes serve time for tax evasion. Refusing to have license plates, or a social security number, or not using zip codes on your mail, - it's all BS.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Uh oh, the anti-tax nutters are here. Actually I'm suprised it took this long.
- DerGeist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Holy *****, an internet tough guy!
Run for it! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Im pretty sure the British had more guns than Washingtons bunch, but we have a free country (for now anyways).
- eekjedi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Page 89 guys. Your required to report income from selling illegal drugs and receiving kickbacks as well.
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