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- xixor, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26If you can generalize historical humans as savages, I can generalize you as a typical North American consumer.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Some stupid person walks in front of the camera at THE WORST time!
- blackolive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It's not "quick" - those laws aren't enforced:
"I've seen thousands and thousands of cows go through the slaughter process alive."
-- http://www.hfa.org/hot_topic/slaughter_laws.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22I am in no way an animal lover but I was once at one of these events and you can see the blood squirting from the bull's back, the tongue hanging almost 10 inches down from the bulls mouth while its eyes are red or completely black, even a twitching of one its legs and sometimes they even sneeze a thick spray of blood and mucus...not very nice to see...then I was thinking that the Mexicans have so much heritage from the Spanish conquistadors like religion, language, genes and of course Bull Fighting .... is one of those things that they still do in both countries, even today...
...so you can thank the Spanish for being sadistic killers and the Mexicans for being retarded copycats. - tazx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"It's a cultural thing" doesn't excuse anything, be it cannibalism, female genital mutilation, slavery, foot-binding, or stoning adulterers. Acts which are barbaric, depraved, wrong not only according to specific moral codes, but against basic decency and compassion should rightfully be condemned, and efforts made to stop it.
- Sippi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12They heard the beef cattle (not dairy) in to a clean room after washing most of the mud and dirt off them. Then a guy comes in with a gun that drive a steel rod/bolt threw their head. one after another he fires the bolt in the heads killing them one after another. Then off to the butchers which clean and cut up the meat. Its actually very quick, they go down fast if done right.
mmmm...
I am craving a juicy steak right about now. - bIuebonics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6and the interesting thing about real mexican cuisine is that they use practically the entire animal. cow tongue? you better believe it.
- blackolive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Those laws aren't enforced: (http://www.hfa.org/hot_topic/slaughter_laws.html )
"I've seen thousands and thousands of cows go through the slaughter process alive."
"Imagine being hit on the head and finding yourself dazed but still fully conscious. A chain is attached to one of your legs and you're hoisted upside down onto an assembly line. Gigantic clippers are used to snip off the lower parts of your arms and legs." - Shaman760, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I'm not a PETA member...matter of fact I can't ***** stand those peta *****. That being said, I too would love to see the toreadors take a spear and forced to run from a pissed off lion.
BTW I'm having steak dinner tonight. Rare and still moo'in. - PabloIV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Better than hunters. At least the bull has a bit of a chance of getting a couple of hits in, as they often do.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Trust me, not all slaughterhouses use those methods.
- a3n1ma, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Sure it's somewhat savage of these people in Mexico to do that an animal, but it's also a part of culture that they have not stopped yet. It's like telling someone from the US(I live in the US as well) to stop meddling with other countries, or the big companies that deal with animal cruelty (http://www.goveg.com/). I'm not a vegetarian in no way either, but it just does not seem like something that would be a big deal considering it's culture. In some countries they still stone people for "sins", yet no one is doing anything about it. Just my two cents.
- azurechaos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@sippi
so because you and your fellow study abroaders were swept by mob mentality, it's suddenly ok to cheer and condone torture? going to see it in person makes it no less barbaric, i'm sorry to say. - spikeyone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ufia
Should I assume you're a pure carnivore? You don't eat any plants? You don't give a damn about plants. What do you think the animals eat, or do they photosynthesize? - spikeyone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@sippi
You'd be fine dying a cruel, painful death, as long as your tormentors portrayed it in an artistic view?
A bloody orgy is what it is. - PueSi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As far as i know they do eat the bull.
- smpdigital, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Too sad and hypocrite that most americans think that it's OK to kill human beings for oil, and get really "upset" at watching what happens a thousand times more at your slaughterhouses.
- PabloIV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I went to The San Fermin Festival some years back and went to the bull fights at the end of the day. It was expertly done by El Juli http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Juli
After they killed the bull it was passed over to one of the local gastronomic clubs and they would serve it in many different ways. I had a wonderful bull tail soup.
Also, this is old school Spanish culture, don't like it, don't go. I happen to enjoy a well fought bull both culturally and gastronomically. - gak001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I was in Spain last semester and the Corrida del Torros (Bull Fights) was one thing that we studied. It's my understanding that the owners get to dispose of the meat and hide and that the matador gets to keep the ears (and maybe the tail too, I can't remember) as trophies if it's a good kill, so it's not as if they're just throwing out the bull - it's getting used. You get more points for a cleaner kill, so it's not like they reward you for being excessively cruel (well, any more excessive than repeatedly stabbing a bull already is).
Also, these bulls are usually at least five years old and very well kept, living luxurious (by bull standards) lives leading up to their fight. Owners want their bulls to be strong and put up a good fight, as opposed to keeping them locked up in a pen all of their lives. Furthermore, these bulls get to keep their balls. Is it a fair trade off? That really depends on your opinion. It is a cultural ritual that dates back hundreds and hundreds of years and we have to look at it contextually as opposed to our American-centric viewpoint. Personally, I'm still on the fence - it's pretty horrific, but do centuries of tradition and cultural heritage take precedence over 30 minutes of suffering for an animal? - bashar129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_cows.asp
- daschupa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Unless your dad is the bull or his face looks like a compressed pixel, I doubt you can recognize anything from a youtube video.
- tazx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The film Earthlings (3 parts, below) documents the typical treatment of animals in the pet industry, food, clothing, entertainment, and science. If you feel that the treatment of bulls: cruelty to animals for the sake of entertainment, is wrong, please consider watching this and challenging your notions of how "humane" other animal practices are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxKnys7Ryw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sRiH_Owq9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8U9dw-9U4E - jtn191, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@xixor,
I don't think animals would much care what is done with their bodies after they're killed: fried, packaged, served by a person of any age and hygiene, or otherwise. And why the *&#$ would animals want their bodies to be recognized? - Skavenblight, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I gotta say, I'm not a member of PETA and I like to eat meat, but I can still say that this is barbaric. I watched the video where the bull trampled the man just to watch one of these bastards get hurt.
How can anyone cheer for the men? They're humiliating and torturing a fine, powerful animal for no good reason. I can't believe some people like to watch that. - GonzoLiga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Talked to an older Mexican when visiting the site of a ring once. He said that, back in the day, the toreador who killed a bull got the meat. He would distribute the meat around wherever he lived, reserving the best parts (including the liver, brains and testicles (!)) for himself. That was the tradition, and adhered to. These days, he said, it's not the case anymore because meat is so common to purchase.
- franksmith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4One only has to wonder how long the PC granola crunchers will take before they convince Youtube into removing EVERYTHING that is not PETA approved.
Freedom of speech is OK... as long as you agree with my left ideals... but freedom of living is out of the question. They (big brother) have already outlawed cooking with certain types of oils in New York... OUTLAWED
When we need our government to tell us what kind of oil to use for cooking and how to treat our livestock then things are looking pretty hopeless. - AvidMasturbator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Hmm would u rather go through a slaughter house and get ur throat slit, hung upside down, while slightly dazed from a concussion, and slowly bleed? Or have a chance to fight against men in pink trousers with swords? I'm not being biased.. both would suck.
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Also, this is old school Spanish culture, don't like it, don't go. I happen to enjoy a well fought bull both culturally and gastronomically.
So you would also defend shooting humans-in-cages or ritualistic cannibalistic human hunting just because someone claims it's part of someone's culture? - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We can blame the Romans for this. Like Americans; they had a peculiar nack for priding themselves on their civility, while somehow remaining quite barbarous.The original Minoan custom was bull dancing: Teenage boys would prove their manhood, and earn money from pilgrims, by dancing naked around the flower draped and sacred bulls as they were led to sacrifice, doing acrobatic stunts off their backs as they went. It was the priests who dealt the coup-de-grace, however. The custom survived along the coast of Spain after fall of Minoa and the rise of Greece. The Romans who conquered the area saw it as Greek degeneracy, brought it into the arena, and twisted it into something on a larger scale, and far more brutal. After the fall of Rome, the Spanish nobility (which actually had the nerve to call the Romans barbarians) appeased its delicate sensibilities by adding frilly outfits to the toreadors to make the sport seem less barbarous than it actually is.
Suppose the Mexicans get back to basics and have the brave toreadors take on the bulls with nothing more than they were born with, maybe some dancing and acrobatics thrown in. They wouldn't have to kill the bull, just last a certain amount of time until it is humanely, and ceremonially slaughtered by people who know what they are doing. Too boring you think? - isseki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Too bad Sippi gets modded down. Although I haven't been to a bullfight, I think I fully understand his point. Besides, people get so worked up about this, but hunting (a much crueler and lamer "sport") seems to be more or less accepted. Heck, even the VP shoots the occasional deer, bird or friend. As for not hurting them animals where do you draw the line? You ever squashed a fly? A fly is an animal right? Or is it too small? How about rats then? Rats are a bit bigger, is it ok to kill them?
And the argument of the animal not being killed for any 'good' reason. If one person enjoying a steak is a good enough reason to get kill an animal, why isn't having thousands of people enjoying a bullfight?
All this animal cruelty 'activism' here is a good way to make you feel yourself better. Heck I think I'll indulge in some right now myself: - ezkash, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Ouch! http://xfvblm.menew.whyi.org/
- rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Why would you be slaughtering dairy cows? Wouldn't you keep them for like... dairy?
Poking and taunting an animal until it dies is just plain cruel. And to those that think North American culture is no different because they eat fast food, well thats plain retarded. Animals slaughtered for food is done in a much more humane way... The animal is anesthetized by a captive bolt pistol or electric shock and sometimes even CO2 before it is slaughtered. - pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9***** savages.
I can't believe that this sort of thing is still happening in the world.
It's 2007 for ***** sake.
Cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals, doesn't matter if it was 2,000 year ago or 2 hours ago.
And I don't give a ***** about "their culture". ***** that. No one has the right to torture an animal like that.
I hope the ***** get gored up the ass with both horns. - str3ama, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13Bull Fighters and anyone enjoys who sick crap like this where animals are killed or tortured for "entertainment" can go ***** themselves. One of the few things that I feel almost militant on is animal abuse, so many people just overlook it as if there's nothing that can be done about it.
- TheBigSquid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Sure, and burning Jews in ovens probably didn't make much sense to those who weren't Nazi Germans, either.
- jtn191, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I feel sorry for the horse, who's obligated to keep that idiot atop him alive
- PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ TheBigSquid:
Too much PETA adds, don't you think?, those are very different things, just putting the holocaust in the same league that bullfighting makes my ***** explode.
By a mexican jew that loves bullfighting - Sikarian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Pretty cool that it's sold, I guess that works then.
- DorqueRench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's some serious exploitation of animals. I love it when the humans taunting them get ***** up. It's priceless.
- viviwanu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6shamefully barbaric human entertainment. Stop the insanity!
- igotgumdropsnot, on 04/04/2009, -0/+0If you honestly think dairy cows are slaughtered poorly, you need to actually witness it for yourself. I'm a vet student, a vegetarian, and was COMPLETELY impressed with the calmness and respect that occurs in a slaughter house. Dairy or beef - it is as respectful as possible.
- 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12I know this looks wrong, but it's a cultural thing, don't compare American culture with Spanish/Mexican culture, their 2 different things.. And on top of that, you think our dairy cows have a painless slaughter? It's much, much worse than what you just witnessed.
- Thex1138, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If they just 'Ole' them with the cloaks as the entertainment and didn't chock 'em with spears and changed bulls as part of the show then i'm sure they'd still be just as entertaining..
- pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3It's one thing to slaughter an animal humanely and eat it, but to torture it to death, that's cruel.
In many European countries they have very strict laws about how an animal is treated before hand and how it is killed for slaughter.
These people are just uncivilized savages. That includes the fans that cheer on the torture. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4It's funny, watching the sissy men prancing behind pink capes...and when the bull gets serious, they scatter like little girls. If they were real men, they'd grab the bull by the horns and wrestle it to the ground.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8Such brave men, stabbing those animals to death for the crowd.
/***** cowards - TheBigSquid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Why is avidmasturbator getting dugg down? He's got a point.
- jojo77, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4messed up
- mogox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is what really happens on the "Sanmiguelada"! This is before the bullfight!
http://www.ensanmiguel.com/articulos/index.php?op=leer&id=369 - TheBigSquid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Are we talking about animal torture or cooking oil? And yes, we need laws on how to treat our livestock. People do some ***** up things to animals. Animals need protection, too. I also find it rather ironic that you seem to value "freedom of living" when you seem to be defending allowing an animal being tortured to death.
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