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- NICU, on 10/12/2007, -34/+95Seriously? Read the article... A security guard was checking his ID, they said they couldn't see his eyes to verify it was him in his picture ID and he refused to remove his sunglasses. He became confrontational and rude to a security officer in LAX airport.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, stop your damn whining and realize this guy is just an idiot. - tonicboy, on 10/12/2007, -46/+67It sucks that this guy was having a bad day, but he totally asked for it. First of all, refusing to remove your sunglasses is clearly a red flasg for any security personnel because it shows that you may have something to hide and also that you are being uncooperative and willing to cause trouble. Second of all, you NEVER reach for anything or make sudden moves when being questioned in a security situation. The same thing happened to me when I was pulled over by a cop because I hide my car registration under the seat. The cop totally freaked out when I tried to reach under the seat and he was right to. Even though I look like a normal upstanding citizen and reaching under a seat is not a crime, who knows what I might have done next?
Anyway, looks like this guy just had a crappy day and had a chip on his shoulder, trying to piss people off to get back at the world for ruining his morning. - exobyte, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Regarding the water bottle specifically, I seem to remember the 5th amendment something about not depriving someone of property without due process. Then again, the 4th says something about unreasonable searches, and we know how well that one's followed.
- sik0fewl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19@NICU
Did *you* read the article? The security lady already gave him a "pass" and then asked him to remove his sunglasses because they we're "not allowed to be worn" (to paraphrase) in the airport. - brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17The reactions on Digg to what this guy did shows just how easy it is for so many people to submit to "Higher Authorities" without even thinking simply because they are bureaucrats "doing their job".
I can't fault one argument the guy made. His eyes matching the drivers license is as meaningless as checking id's in a bar. The whole liquids thing is just straight out of "Brasil". Everyone just saying "It's the law." is b/s.
Tomorrow they will make you go through the same procedure to get on a train, go to the bank, etc, etc. At what point do you people say Wait a god damn ***** minute! Simply because the government is bureaucratizing it's control, that doesn't make it ok. NO...YOU CAN"T HAVE ANY OF OUR ***** WATER! TELL YOUR BOSS THAT, TELL HIS BOSS THAT, AND TELL THE PRESIDENT THAT!
Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE.....Ring a bell? No? What about Nothing to fear but fear itself? For gods sake, pull your collective heads out of your asses and stand up for yourselves. You are cowering! - adb22791, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I actually found the article rather humorous. It shows how lame TSA's procedures are and how stupid this entire airport business really is. Especially after the "terrorists" who were going to blow the airplanes "with liquid" were found to be a bunch of frauds (their plan never would have worked, there have been many articles about how the formation of explosives from the liquids they were going to use usually took 36 hours, and was very unstable and could go off at any time, causing moderate damage instead of bringing the plane down, etc).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Actually, secret laws are against the spirit of why the country was founded. And what he said is true, you cannot enforce a law that I cannot read.
- GottIstTot, on 10/12/2007, -15/+26Removing your glasses would have made us all safer. Admit it, only Osama would refuse to remove his glasses, otherwise no one would recognize him. Seriously, showing IDs keeps us safe, because bad guys are like "hey, I don't have an ID, i guess I can't bomb this plane".
Keep up the amazing work TSA. We all are safer. All of us. - ideagirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Anybody who has flown in the last few years knows that our airport security is a joke. I have had banned items pass through my carry on luggage on many occasions (due to my forgetfulness). I won't list what kind of items, but any one of them could take down a person if put into the right hands. I have also been sent to the "special" line and given a full body search. Again, they missed banned items I forgot I had on me. They took great pains to go through every single receipt in my wallet, though, about three months worth. THEN they went through every single card in my wallet, most of which are along the lines of Costco or Safeway cards. The TSA questioned why I needed so many, as if possessing both a Safeway AND an Albertson's card indicates a link to terrorist activities. I was grilled mercilessly about why I was taking my library card out of state.
If they were truly concerned with security, they would have retired military or police in doing the job. - DogHumpsMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -21/+32Lesson learned, act like an arrogant, condescending dick in an airport, and you'll get treated like an arrogant, condescending dick.
I'm glad he decided to kill his extra time by breaking the balls of people who are just trying to do their crappy, thankless jobs. I'm surprised he can find sunglasses to fit such a large head. You're super-cool dude, you showed them with your obvisouly exagerated story. Thumps up! Dick.
No abridgement of rights here, just some guy being an ass. - mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Dude thinks he's Obi Wan Kenobi.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I fully support this guy. The request was given after he already was cleared... it was just a rent-a-cop trying to feel big.
I wear my sunglasses and my hat inside and outside wherever I go. I'm a hardcore computer nerd and my eyes are sensative to bright light (especially like the ones in LAX). I too would have a problem with someone who wanted to enforce "laws" that couldn't be explained. My sunglasses protect my eyes from alot of pain, and I'm sure there are people who literally can't oblidge to taht request for other medical reasons.
The rest of the article was even better, alot of you posted just on the fact he didn't take off his glasses, when the true meaning of the article was teh lack of security and surpluss of idiots that can't do their job... like not finding his pocket knives yet making him throw away his own water. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12How are all the diggers agreeing with the ***** TSA? You kids are supposed to be democrats or libertarians. There is no law saying you have to take off your sunglasses.
Whenever I travel, I carry my metal copy of the bill of rights. Nobody has tried to take it from me yet. - redrighthand, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I refused to remove my sandals at the airport one time as I was going through the metal detector. The TSA guy said I would most likely be pulled aside for further screening and I replied "oh okay then" and stepped through the metal detector which did not go off by the way. I have a few hours to wait for the flight and just didn't feel like taking off my damn sandals ever since they had changed it from "Required" to remove shoes to you may be asked to. I was throughly searched and my bags sniffed by the robot then let on my way. But the whole time the people there gave me dirty looks as though I was enjoying wasting their time.
Remember Dissent is Patriotic, if we don't question authority then who will?
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dissent2.jpg - HitAnyKey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"You'll have to pry these Ray-Bans from my cold, dead hands!"
If it's gotten to the point where patriotic is the civil disobedience of refusing to remove one's sunglasses then the terrorist have already won. - Rosewood, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23The sunglasses were not the problem. You were.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18They must be conditioned to obey our every command without question.
- tkcom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9He may act like a threat... but real terrorists breeze through security checkpoints scotch-free.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It does bother me that you can't wear sunglasses through security – or at least that I never saw this requirement posted anywhere. TSA officials are inconsistent in their enforcement of rules. In Washington, D.C., I didn't have to take my shoes off at the airport, but at Las Vegas they made me do it. Another TSA employee I talked to in Las Vegas said that she saw the same inconsistent enforcement in Philadelphia. Even if you don't consider it a diminution of civil liberties, it is at the very least a hassle and a sign of the TSA's incompetency. Rules should be transparent and consistently enforced.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"There are always limits to freedom. What's more, getting on an airliner is not about you, it's about me. If I see you wearing sunglasses and refusing to take them off to board the plane I'm getting on, I'll think twice about riding on that plane."
My right to walk down the street unmolested by the police is more important than your right to not get blown up.
It's not a popular view, but it's the only one that will keep us as free as we were before all this 9/11 *****. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -24/+32Just take off the sunglasses, jackass. You're not making a meaningful Stand For Freedom in the security line at the airport by refusing to remove your sunglasses for a comparison wirh your ID, you're just holding everyone else up.
- real, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8WORD! Im glad I didn't have to write all that but I'm glad you did.
- yfph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The sun never sets on the cool...
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16It sounds like he was having a ***** day and wanted to take it out on someone. Having to fly cross country to Rhode Island to appear in court, getting your direct flight canceled, and taking one with stopover in Phoenix will do that to you. Best case scenario, he is a "freedom fighter" making a misguided last stand with a high school educated clerk. Worst case scenario, the sky is falling and we're losing the right to strut through airport photo-ID security checks with our eyes covered. The most likely scenario is that he was in a pissy mood and got carried away with his own importance:
“You have to remove your sunglasses, sir.”
“No, actually, I don’t.”
“I can’t let you past here with your sunglasses on.”
“Yes, you can.”
“Take them off, please.”
“There’s no law that says I can’t wear my sunglasses in the airport. ma’am”
“Yes, there is. It’s a rule.”
“It’s not a rule.”
“It is. I can’t let you pass.”
“Yes, you can.” - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Who here actually believes the TSA makes you safer? No? Good...
Now, count up the percentage of people on this thread who think you should unquestioningly obey anyway.
That's the percentage of your fellow countrymen you will have to kill if you want to stay free when the fascist clampdown comes. - myheaditches, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Haha. Rights in America? Surely you jest! And no, I will not stop calling you Shirley.
- NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The whole TSA thing is ***** to make people think they're more secure, it's theater period. The real security comes from the hundred plus people on the plane that are going to rip the head off the first dumbass trying to get into the cockpit.
There's still vulnerabilities but there always will be, what have we gotten for the rights we've given up... some expensive theater? - real, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Funny how history repeats itself if you don't know what Im talking about look it up.
You might want to start with "Red Coats". - DJSourMonkE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I wear my sunglasses at night.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Since the Code of Hammurabi the transparency and uniformity of enforcement of laws has been a sign of civilization. This new trend toward arbitrary fear and suspicion being valid basis for being accosted by authorities is disturbing.
- Boiler98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6... because real terrorists use duct tape.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What about security personnel wasting his time? Oh, right, people should surrender any sense of dignity and self-worth before prostrating themselves before airport screeners – I forgot.
- pevail, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The "Powers that be"are slowly conditioning us the the Nazi "Can I see you papers please"stage.
Get real "Sheeple"! - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men..." – Edward R. Murrow
- tdhurst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I will say the bit about the water bottle was a bit over the top...really, what harm could there be in actually drinking it?
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Private property rights were used to argue against the desegregation of public accomodations in the 1960s, so no dice there. And the TSA is part of the government, which we should hold accountable for its practices just like any other government agency.
- tomi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Am I the only one who finds it weird that some metal detectors detect metal belts and others don't?
For example, the detector goes off on me in Winnipeg, but not in Toronto. Strange, because shouldn't Toronto have higher security as that's where all (or most, not sure) international flights arrive/depart at?
Sorry, just something that's always bugged me. Whenever I walk through a detector at Toronto I always think 'wtf?' because it doesn't go off. - bill0001, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Anyone who wears sunglasses indoors is an idiot. Remeber they are SUNglasses.
Outside OK. Inside worthless.
Moron. - barnett25, on 10/12/2007, -17/+22Refuse to do anything and you would be considered a security threat!
The next time a cop tries to pull me over I'm going to keep on driving because I don' t think I was speeding. Yeah, that's smart... - erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6meh, a pencil or pen could be used as a weapon. Cell phone? yup. shoe laces, belts. Even your clothing.
what a LOT of these law that are now in place basically do is police (even more) the people that would have already complied with existing laws. Criminals will still break the laws, no matter how many more law's you tack onto what is already in place. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6And after that, the inside of a court room. And after that, my check from the state for infringing my rights (and a small cut for the ACLU).
- thrich, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14***** +1.
Remember a while ago that guy that got caught at the Canadian border with a bomb? He was caught because the border agent noticed he was sweating and wouldn't look her in the eye.
This is a perfectly valid thing for the TSA to ask for, and it doesn't even take any effort. - krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -0/+5this is hilarious. and security, like the rest of knowledge, is a probability thing. if i walk up to my friend and say hey, he has a high probability of success in identifying me correctly. as anyone who has been to college knows, ID cards have a laughably low probability of successfully identifying people, and are grossly overtrusted. in fact, london has already started using fingerprint scanners in bars, which are still not even close to 100% effective, but definitely higher.
- sedo1800, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13buried for lameness
- soarin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This Guy's a HERO!
What makes you guys so willing to bend over and take it in the ass?
It's only going to get worse -- first it was just your shoes -- now it's your toothpaste and bottled water. And secret laws that no one's ever heard of. They won't even show the laws to our elected Representatives:
http://www.slate.com/id/2109922/
This is exactly what a "Police State" is made of. This is the definition of "Authoritarianism". This is not government "by the people, for the people", it's government by the State, for the State, who will take away your bottles of water whether you like it or not.
They are just practicing so you will forget all about that quaint piece of paper "the Constitution". It's not a "war on terror" -- it's a war on your bottles of water and tubes of toothpaste. Wake up people. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"So you really want to get on an airliner with somebody who refuses to take off his sunglasses for the security people?"
Yes, I believe it's his right. If something as petty as wearing sunglasses indoors scares you enough not to get on a plane with someone, you deserve to be inconvenienced by missing the flight. Let the rest of us who choose to live by reason and not fear get on with our lives. - Dakart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5By the way: SSI stands for "Sensitive Security Information." http://www.slate.com/id/2109922/
This just means that the retard from the TSA doesn't have to tell you why he is doing something. That's the most ridiculous un-American rule I've ever heard. - fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I've occasionally found myself indoors with sunglasses, but mine are prescription. Sometimes it's the choice between seeing things a little dark or seeing things very fuzzy. I'll take the former over the latter any day.
Maybe I should start a blog and whine about it. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, and like Snidely Whiplash they'll be wearing mustaches and top hats as well. Mustache-twirling is a sure sign of a villain. Haven't you seen Dudley Do-Right?
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I wonder what Corey Hart would have to say about all this, seeing as how he wears his sunglasses even at night (hyuk). Seriously, though, I don't think the guy should have gotten so offended, but at the same time it seems pretty easy to tell someone's face with or without sunglasses. I think it speaks more to the incompetency of TSA officials than to an authoritarian government – but then again, I never thought we'd live in a society where "may I see your papers?" would become a part of everyday life.
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