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- texx, on 10/10/2007, -26/+284One of the reason our rights continue to be eroded is people blindly submitting to these "policies" without bothering to ask questions or stand up for themselves. So when one person deviates from the pattern of expected behavior they are branded "criminal"; or depending on where they deviate "terrorist".
- rooftopsuicide, on 10/10/2007, -9/+245newegg.com, FTW!
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -13/+174Heh, let them try to keep me from exiting. They will discover that assault and battery is a two way street.
/internet_tough_guy - AmateurX, on 10/10/2007, -18/+119That's not the point. She didn't feel like showing her receipt, and she was within her rights by not doing so. In addition, the store manager & the security guard apparently don't understand civil rights, and they need to be educated...it looks like you do too.
- ripstuntz, on 10/10/2007, -4/+100I have a one step solution for you...
http://www.newegg.com/ - Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -5/+94The really funny thing about this - if you've ever been to this store, you will know that the cash registers are about fifteen feet from the exit, and the security guard stands about five feet away from the registers. The security guard is watching you pay for your items, and there is no opportunity for you to grab something *after* you've left the register. Checking receipts in this store is completely useless.
- peekpoke, on 10/10/2007, -5/+92The key issue was verbal abuse. If they had recorded the conversation it would be powerful evidence. Not enough to sue, but enough to make them look very bad in public, enough to likely get an apology.
- conroo, on 10/10/2007, -7/+78Use your right as a consumer and DON'T SHOP THERE ANYMORE.
- XzinWoW, on 10/10/2007, -6/+73I will never shop at Tiger Direct again. They pulled the same crap on me.
The customer has every right to press criminal charges for unlawful restraint, and also file a civil suit for false imprisonment.
I rarely suggest to people what stores they should and should not shop at but if you want my opinion, avoid Tiger Direct like the plague.
Newegg is far better and they don't try to kidnap you after paying for something you just bought. - Randomprophit, on 10/10/2007, -6/+65This reminds me of the days when I was a rent-a-cop. Basically, security guards do this out of pure boredom. You should know your rights though. A security guard is nothing but an observer and a reporter. A security guard has no right to detain you or keep you from leaving. A security guard is basically a person like you and me that wears a uniform that resembles a figure of authority but has, in fact, no authority whatsoever.
- botanist, on 10/10/2007, -9/+65I've been to that Tiger Direct several times and can attest to the douchebagginess of the security staff. I had one guy go through and check model numbers on every item I had bought, thereby causing a freaking traffic jam of people trying to leave the store. Add to it there's only 1 maybe 2 cashiers at any time and a line of 20 people waiting to leave. IMHO if you're going to shop there, pay for shipping and get it online.
- MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -11/+62He is on a powertrip for standing up for his own rights? Nice to see you support less freedoms...
- NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+51Once you know, you New Egg.
- sleze, on 10/10/2007, -1/+46I generally have no problem showing my receipt. But if there is a line to LEAVE the store? You're damn right I will walk right past the checker.
- JoshuaH, on 10/10/2007, -8/+51When I leave Wal-Mart they usually ask for my receipt, I didn't know I had the right to refuse...But I've never had a reason to refuse.
- fnaqzna, on 10/10/2007, -8/+46What part of "innocent until proven guilty" do you people not understand?
You should NEVER have to prove your innocence.
No, not ever. - Otto, on 10/10/2007, -7/+41No, the guard was wrong to not let the guy pass, because he had absolutely no right to stop or detain him.
It's called civil rights. They don't have the right to stop you if you haven't actually stolen something. Whether you consider their request to show your receipt is beside the point. Their request is a request only, you can refuse and not be in the wrong for refusing. - ericdano, on 10/10/2007, -7/+40They are still in business? Wow......
- Wormfather, on 10/10/2007, -4/+37"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependant on the system, that they will fight to protect it"
- Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+34It's voluntary. That means you don't have to if you don't want to. What you're suggesting is that people waive their right to not be involuntarily searched and just submit.
- danlas, on 10/10/2007, -5/+36The line from the manager to the author "it's company policy to detain people..." is indeed a little scary. A company can just decide they want to detain me????? whoa....I think I would have taken a stand there too.
- Otto, on 10/10/2007, -4/+34>>>"By entering the store you agreed to obey their rules."
False. You fail at life. - AmateurX, on 10/10/2007, -10/+39Well said.
- thugok, on 10/10/2007, -1/+30So now standing up for your rights is suspicious behavior?
- monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -16/+45being asked to show a reciept is the first step in a slow march toward facism. clearly the act of showing a reciept, while it may have some benefit to the store in terms of minimizing shoplifting and thus results in lower prices for the consumer, is a violation of all that is american. i'd rather pay 10 or even 20 percent more for my consumer electronics than have to be subjegated by the jack booted nazi-esque tactics of these power mad capitalist swine.
not. - MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32Acting suspicious by refusing an illegal search?
- mescad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28Don't you think it's possible that this person said "no thanks" every time, and it was just this one security guard that decided to be a jerk about it?
The only time I've had a problem with refusing was a Best Buy in NC on Black Friday. I was in a hurry to get to the next store, and didn't feel like waiting with the 30 other sheep in line by the exit. The guard got mad, and I just informed him that I was in a hurry and didn't need my receipt to be checked, and left. They have no right to detain you, so if it's not convenient to you, why waste your time? As I said, this is the only time I've had trouble, and I refuse to show my receipt every time. - chas7926, on 10/10/2007, -7/+31NO NO NO. Showing the receipt is easy. Showing the receipt is giving in and following the mindset that if you having nothing to hide then you shouldn't worry about it. This is how rights get eroded. The person in question has the right to privacy. The business has the right to ban the individual for not following store policies, but the store does not have the right to illegally detain and verbally abuse a customer.
Do not be sheep. We must stand up and fight these seemingly "petty" battles or else within 20 years you will have people getting arrested and questioned because a neighbor turned them in for suspicion of bad thoughts. - fnaqzna, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24You should work for TSA. I suspect that you would fit in nicely.
- XzinWoW, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22Good point. Another one to the "nothing to hide" argument.
The "if you have nothing to hide" argument is equally as bogus.
Ok - so if you have NOTHING to hide then you are ok with your medical history being public? Your little erectile dysfunction problem being known on your match.com profile? The fact that you are likely to die of a stroke because it runs in the family? Congenial inherited abnormalities? Is the world a better place with this level of transparency? You had better be ok with it because the way things are going - this is where we will wind up.
That is a bit of a stretch, but are you willing to have invasive security camera viewing of your every move whenever you go out in public? Is that ok? Of course it is because you have "nothing to hide" right? It catches the criminals, right?
Ok so what about if you multibox? You use more electricity than the average person. You do nothing wrong right but that power use looks "suspicious" so are you ok with the police secretly using infrared cameras to peer inside your residence to search for an illegal pot growing station? Since you have "nothing to hide" then that is perfectly ok, right? What about if you are arrested and your home is searched because your computer room is significantly warmer than the rest of the house and appears to be easily mistaken for a grow operation? Is that ok with you?
What about an online profile of you? Your age, employer, estimated annual income, friends and family, pictures of you, what property you own, how much you pay in taxes, where you shop, etc? Would you be ok with that? You have "nothing to hide" right? What about people who want to stalk you?
What about your penchant for viewing pornography? A lot of people do it. Most of it is legal. Do you want others to know you do? Assuming it is legal, is that something you are ok with sharing? What kind you enjoy? After all, you have "nothing to hide" right? So why not tell people all about it?
What about that time you snuck off a half early for lunch? "Nothing to hide" right?
What about the time you surfed the Internet instead of worked? "Nothing to hide" right?
What about that time you accidentally walked out of a store without paying for something? You took it back and it was an accident but you walked out with it - so you should be arrested. "Nothing to hide" right?
What about that time your kid accidentally took something? He was 7 - he should have known better but c'mon - he is seven. Should he be arrested? Should you, as his guardian, be arrested? "Nothing to hide" right?
What about the entire Nazi Regime? Or Communist Russia? Papers Please. "Nothing to hide" except who you are, right? Instead of being a thief, you are, by definition a criminal because of your race or religion. "Nothing to hide" right?
That "nothing to hide" argument is completely and utterly bogus and one hell of a slippery slope. You should not and ARE NOT forced to show proof of purchase upon exiting a store. You did not take anything - the onus IS NOT on you to prove it. Simply allowing people to erode your liberties just to avoid the inconveniences of being hassled is ***** and is exactly why these things get media attention.
I am not sure what frightens me more - the continual and persistent erosion of liberty or the fact that people are so willing to just fall over and accept things like this. - BobSutan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. You have no reason to comply with their assumption that you are a thief.
- CaptainNoPants, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Suspicious activity? What's suspicious about trying to walk out of a store after paying for your goods? the receipt check was voluntary, he didn't want to be bothered, and they illegally detained him. He wasn't acting suspiciously or they would have told the officer they suspected him of shoplifting. This is basically a bunch of ***** just because the security guard had a stick up his ass. He wasn't doing his job by harassing the guy. Unless it's an mandatory receipt check he doesn't have to stop and shouldn't be expected to.
- Punisher2K, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22I agree. They shouldn't treat a customer like a criminal without reason.
- bigp3rm, on 10/10/2007, -13/+30For someone that has 10,000 bucks to throw away on electronic toys you would think he could afford an lawyer.
- Dax420, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18"Hi, I'm calling from the internet"
- Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -8/+25You're more than welcome to waive your right to not be involuntarily searched. I hope that works out for you.
- Godlike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17If any security guard without at least two guns ever tried to unlawfully restrain me, I would first inform him that I was about to ferosciously maul him until he moved, and then I would warn him that it was about to happen, and then I would end him.
I have worked as a security guard before. They aren't ***** and have NO LEGAL POWER THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE. THEY CANNOT LEGALLY RESTRAIN YOU IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. THE ONLY POWER THEY HAVE IS FEAR! - jlewicki, on 10/10/2007, -15/+30this sounds like a setup though, ... "telling me I was banned from the store (fine by me, I've spent easily over $10,000 in the last few years at Tigerdirect and planned to take my business elsewhere if this was the kind of treatment I could expect) and so on."
so, for the past some odd years you've had no problem showing your receipt? Now after having brushed up on the law you feel obligated to not do the simple task of showing them your receipt. It's more courtesy then anything. They don't want ***** stolen from them, do them the favor in participating to thwart any would be thieves. It's their store, their rules. You dont like it, shop somewhere else. - InfiniteNothing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15I'll give you a hint: false arrest.
- sremick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Just because it's common doesn't make it legal. The more we're complacent and apathetic about letting our rights be eroded, the deeper we'll be before we wake up but it's too late to do anything about it.
- irieKEN, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Most stores ask, but it's always optional (by law).
- epsilona01, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17What? You're branded a criminal because you don't like people bothering you? No, it's no conspiracy all.. it's just a big pain in the ***** ass.
When I go to Fry's Electronics, especially when it's busy, I don't like having to wait in line... again... just to prove to someone that I've already given them all the money they're going to get from me today.
If they want to stop me from leaving their store, they can call the police and press charges for shoplifting. Doesn't the cashier make sure that people are paying for their items? Isn't the cashier's job to make sure that the company gets all the money they're due? I've spent time with them already, going over my purchases, declining the Fry's card (again, i dont want the damn thing already) waiting for them to call someone over because they don't know what they're doing, etc.
If they're concerned about me taking something from the store after I've passed the register... WHY PUT ***** IN A LOCATION BEYOND THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE SURRENDER MONEY?!?!?!
Sure, it's usually quick and easy to show your receipt. But not always. Sometimes I don't think and put it in my pocket, then I need to remember where I put it. Sometimes it's in a bag that I don't feel like digging through.
I gave you the money. Just let me leave. If you want to hassle me and make me wait, I can charge you for my time. Personally, I charge people $100/hr for work, normally in no less than 30 min increments.
(comment system wont let me reply to DeathBorn) - MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15"No Thanks" is being a dickwad? The first person to be a dickwad was the security guard who illegally detained her.
- WNW3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13"Merchants basically have two rights covering people entering and exiting their stores. They can refuse to let you enter the premises and/or to sell you anything, and they can place you under citizens arrest for attempting to leave the premises with any property that you haven't paid for. But the second you hand over the appropriate amount of cash, they lose all rights to the items. They can't legally impair you from leaving the store with your property."
from http://www.die.net/musings/bestbuy/ - WNW3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Perhaps in the past they didn't press the issue when s/he didn't show their receipt
- tinhat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Her coffee was not just "too hot". It was at an unsafe temperature even after McDs had been sited several times in the past for keeping it's coffee at a too-high-to-be-safe temperature. People should really look up this case before using as an example for tort reform, stupidity, etc...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I fail to see where the store losing money is my problem.
- ashchristopher, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12You might want to research what a civil right actually it. It might give you some more credibility.
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