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- xenubarb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+82Here's how it was supposed to work. Here's a guy, out there in downtown Clearwater (aka Xenu City) videotaping every day. And every day, he's surrounded by Scientologists, yammering at him, until the day of the assault. In his account of the incident, he noted that, on this day, he was left alone, until Fitzgerald comes up and attacks him. Of course, the police are called, and all the good little culties are eager to share the story of how poor Mike Fitzgerald gets his fist hurt on Shawn's camera. At this point, Shawn was to be the one taken away in handcuffs.
It wouldn't be the first time; around 2000, a critic named Bob Minton was attacked by a Scientologist in downtown Clearwater during a picket. The attacker then laid on the ground, as if injured and unconcious. Except, people noticed something...the stupid bugger PEEKED to see if the coast was clear! Still, Bob was the one arrested, and the police paid no attention to the videotaped record of the assault.
I think the Clearwater PD are still embarrassed about that. If not, they should be! Still, the fact that this time, the perpetrator was arrested shows that they are at least trying to do their job under difficult conditions. The cult friggin OWNS Clearwater! And, I am sure that they fully expected that Shawn would be arrested. It must have been quite a shock to see their fellow Scientologist being taken away instead. For providing yet more negative publicity, the person who birthed this abortive attempt to set Shawn up is probably scraping grease out of the cult kitchen's grease traps...with his tongue! Someone probably got sent to the RPF, Scientology's "reeducation" camp. By all accounts, a horrible place; forced to wear a grey armband, forbidden to talk, running everywhere, eating scraps and leftovers, and doing hard labor.
Google the 'Rehabilitation Project Force.' It's real, and happening right here, right now, in Scientology's very own concentration camps in Cali and Florida!
Some "church," huh? - secretpuding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43those crazy scientologists. what a crazy cult
- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Reading this made my thetan level drop.
- tdkme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36The U.S. needs to do what other countries have done and not recognize this as a religion, and list it as a cult. That might shut them down!
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Well, with Scientologists being what they are and believing what they do, the stories are pretty much writing themselves.
- lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Doesn't matter if they haven't done anything to you personally. They've harmed a lot of people around the world. A lot of people have joined their cult and been brainwashed, abused, tortured or even killed.
This isn't something people should just ignore, Scientology is a serious problem, and just because you think they're just some quiet UFO worshippers doesn't make them harmless.
If you were around during the times of the Nazi's, would you have said "who cares, I'm not Jewish, they have in no way, shape or form had any affect upon my life".
Excuse us for giving a damn about other people's suffering. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Youre a moron. We can bitch about this because we have an opinion. Thats what digg comment section is for. To express our opinions. Dont like it? Go die.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29It's funny how the word "crazy" is the word %50 of the time or more that people use to describe Scientologists or The Church of Scientology. Good times :)
- Footbullet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25$cientology shoots itself in its foot once again! *FOOTBULLET ALERT!!!* :-) The fact that they attack free speech is finally not going unnoticed. Hats off to Proflex for his bravery! Stand tall!
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Hahaha. Gotta love Websense.
"Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.
Reason: The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Another violent act by a violent cult.
Ask some of the culties about protocol 2r45. That stands for putting two rounds from a .45 handgun into their critics.
Ask them about the "fair game" declarations, which the church encourages members to harrass, assault, and even kill their critics and people who leave the cult.
Ask them about how they stalk critics and ex-members.
Yeah, they are the "victims". - Chestnut3499, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19It's because the word fits them very well.
- kalisphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Someone hasn't been de-thetan-ing himself quite enough! *shakes finger*
- ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27I know we all hate Scientology, but have you seen the video clips this guy has taken?
He goes there and sparks their curiousity by waiting outside filming the building. They come out and ask what he's doing, and he's a total ass to them. Then they leave him alone and he does it again, for days.
I want a documentary exposing Scientology too, but settling for a documentary by this nutcase/provocateur is only going to make it harder to get the truth out, and it will only make the Scientologists look sympathetic to people who don't know anything about it in the meantime. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Bay News 9 article
http://www.baynews9.com
http://scientologyattacks.ytmnd.com
Dedicated to proflex and his marathon picket - a rough-sketch tale of his assaulter.
http://scientologyonthenews.ytmnd.com - AboveBeyond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Umm...how bout because they're obviously an organization based on lies that wreck's people lives? That's a good enough reason for me to publicize Scientology so you, your friend, or anyone you know won't get involved with these hooligans!
And for the entertainment value, Scientology articles are just hilarious! Can you believe that there were 170 billion beings on Earth 200000 billion years ago that were put in a volcanoe? Like OMG! - Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24In other news, Kirstie Alley attacks someone because they stood in front of some chocolate cake.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Here's a message board where Shawn Lonsdale, aka Proflex, tells his story of picketing and the assault by the Scientologist Michael Fitzgerald.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=19371 - violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Ethan Hunt... Thetan Hun... Coincidence? :-D
- lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"And for the entertainment value, Scientology articles are just hilarious!"
That's why in the South Park episode they said "This is what scientologists actually believe". You can't make that stuff up! Well, Loser Ronny Hubbard did (that's what I'm calling him, deal with it).
They keep it a secret so only people who have paid enough money and been thorougly brainwashed will find out about, and by then they'll accept it as truth. - lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15So you think it's better if a documentary isn't made? You'd rather people don't know about Scientologists?
He was filming for a documentary, that's no excuse to be attacked by someone.
I say good on him for doing his part to get the truth out. - JohnQPublic23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Extreme insular and cultish behavior, regardless of what name it gives itself, can generate and perpetuate harmful social conditions and destroy the lives of people -- and not only can cultists inflict punishment on their own members but they also negatively affect the lives of non-members. A little off-topic but within the same context look no further than this expose on the Gentle People (Amish), whose communities suffer an "epidemic" of incest and sexual assault but whose laws and codes prevent their women from taking those assaults to the laws of "The English" (that's what they call the rest of us Americans):
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp
I'm wary of any religion that shutters itself away from the light of scrutiny. - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@ErrandBoyOfDoom
How often do you ask people on the street what they are doing? It's about time someone showed Scientology for what it is, and ++ to this guy that risks being stalked and shot to death to do it.
He's not being an ass either, what he is doing is peaceful and on public property. Scientology on the other hand has beaten him up and some other people that did similar things in the past. - lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16You mean Muslim extremists. Most Muslims are peaceful, just like most Christians aren't Texan bible-bashers who jump onto buildings and shout "I HAVE SEEN JEE-SUS!" :)
- Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Since "crazy" is often the domain of psychology, it's interesting to note that they're very much anti-psychology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_psychiatry - 0x41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Cult members acting violently and unreasonable? Say it ain't so!
- Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11In videos I've seen, a guy tries to photograph or videotape a Scientologist location from public property, sometimes across the street. Their security come out to harass him within seconds. Not sure if this is the same guy, but they're apparently very touchy about any kind of scrutiny.
- xenuoverlord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Here is an example of why and how the cult of Scientology is so dangerous...
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
http://www.perkinsfamilytragedy.org/
These are all people who are dead as a result of Scientology.
~Lord Xenu~
http://www.ronthenut.org/ - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Well, most of them are. It's a pretty low standard.
- Xertion, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15The only difference between a "cult" and a "religion" is how many members it has.
- futurekill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Maybe WE (ie normal people) should go and stalk them for leaving our cult...
- haunted, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Not until they bother persecuting renegade Mormons who practice polygamy (makes for families more miserable than the poorest in 3rd world countries) statutory rape, and harassment/violence on kids who try to leave the cult. Too bad they run Utah's state govt.
- banchukita, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It's not about religion. It doesn't matter if they believe in the space opera cosmology, although it would be preferable if people were informed that was the cosmology when they sign on, instead of $120,000 later.
It's about the policy-driven abuse of people and the law; the lack of informed consent; the zero-tolerance of dissent or criticism that culminates in ad hominem and physical attacks--an organization's attempts to ruin an individual for standing up to a corrupt organization. And the written policies that say such attacks are okay. If you were in, and decide it's a scam and want out, they'll take your PC folder - liek a confessional, only they keep it -- and blackmail you with a goal of making you "shudder into silence." (Hubbard's words)
Scientology was able to get away with a lot of crap for many years, and hide behind a corporate shell game [just try to follow the money!], imposing fear, bait-and-switch and strong-arm tactics. Hubbard never imagined the internet. You can fool some of the people some of the time... - OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8True religion (as I have read) are about teaching and learning, being open to all --- and this "religion" and the Church of Scientology is all about secrets. Kinda like the "He-Man Women Haters Club" in the Little Rascals..
- JohnnyMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If you want to continue membership and services in the "church" of Scientology, you are required to undergo periodic "confessionals" known as "security checks". During these security checks, you are asked a multitude of questions regarding anything and everything a person could possibly do wrong in this life and any others you have lived before. Information gleaned during these sec checks is written down and kept in a folder with your name on it. The "church" of Scientology regularly uses information in these folders to control current members and to harass and humiliate disillusioned members exiting the cult. (see www.xenu.net)
Mr. Lonsdale has repeatedly asked this "church" for his folders back to no avail. This is one of his stated purposes for demonstrating near the cult headquarters. If he is no longer a member, why do they need to keep his folders? All they had to do to stop this so-called harassment (peaceful demonstration) is to give him back his private information. I don't care what their internal policy is, I say they should give back the folders and then they can go back to practicing their silly "religion" in peace. In fact, if they stopped harassing their critics, started being honest about what their doctrine is all about BEFORE people get sucked in, and stopped their practice of LYING in general, they would have all the peace they could ever want. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If anyone has questions about why you would protest this evil cult, here's some links
http://www.lisamcpherson.org
http://www.perkinstragedy.org
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.stopscientology.com - Dustyb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The real problem is with Scientology's crack legal team -- he'll get away with it.
- JohnnyMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yeah, there's so much other stuff in the world to protest, so let's just let the criminal cult do as they please. Why bother to feed the hungry when there are corrupt politicians? Why bother to vote when there are feral cats on the loose? For crying out loud. How do you know that the protesters of the cult of Scientology aren't also active in other areas?
- jasgeo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7They'll say that they guy was "full of thetans" and that with help (mind bending) of the scientology church and a few audits that they can free him of the evil thetans.
What a bunch of idiots. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thanks for telling us the right parties to hate
- Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Or perhaps "un-Thetan H"?
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I find it funny that they can continue to recruit new members with their hogwash. I can understand people and their membership to other religions. There are historical ties, old literatures and family pressure. In contrast, Scientology relies on pure stupidity and the willingness of someone to sign over their life to people of equal incompetence. It's like a pyramid scheme of idiocy!
- Revadarth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9They should've sent Tom Cruise. Ethan Hunt could've evaded the police.
- anoneMoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6www.xenu.net
www.xenutv.com - shoover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yea, I noticed that too. I guess the scientologists got to the Websense crew as well.
- dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Got the same message. :)
Ill have to check this when I get home from work. - Wrathernaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The Nut? Nah.
- hags2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Errandboy and others
I agree that a documentary filmmaker should try to be unbiased and fair when trying to debunk something. I mean, just imagine if this guy were filming a Catholic church, a Lutheran Church, a Mosque, a Synagogue, or even an Atheist convention and acting in the same manner. I think more people would disapprove of his methods at that point.
I think Scientology is creepy and very much a dangerous cult, but only by analyzing the situation with FAIRNESS can it be considered fair when other people come to that same conclusion. I mean, I could make my own sweet mother out to be a raving lunatic bitch if I provoked her enough while filming her. - xenubarb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Regardless of the magnitude of the Scientology threat, this argument, "what about the blah in blah?" is bogus. Scientology may not be Korea with nuclear warheads. It may not be festering diseases waiting to break out of Africa. It may not be the creepy merging of corporations and politics. Regardless, it IS a threat, and it does destroy lives. You think you may never encounter one of its victims, but you might be surprised, especially if you walk down the sidewalk wearing a 'Scientology Kills' tee shirt. People come up to you and tell you their horror stories.
Yeah, Scientology isn't the war in Iraq, it's not AIDS, it's not a lot of things. But, you have to choose your battles. Global warming? What are you gonna do, join some massive rally and wave a sign? Scientology is small enough to be battled as one individual. It's nasty enough to make that effort worthwhile, should you choose to paint the target on your back and be strong enough to refuse to be intimidated. It's like a role playing game, 'Man From UNCLE' and 'Star Wars' rolled into one.
A friend of mine described the opportunity to fight this vicious cult as a priviledge. It's big, it's powerful, but it's dumb...it has the low cunning of its founder, college dropout, famed drug abuser and pulp fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. If you're gonna pick a dragon to fight, Scientology's a worthwhile adversary. You wouldn't believe the ***** they've pulled on me! And that's just small potatos, compared with what they've done to other people. Paulette Cooper, for one. Or do a google search for "miss bloodybutt." That's the wildest Scientology op EVER, against a guy who was hosting a BBS for critics!
By the way, Scientologists are real fond of pointing out other causes we "should" be involved with, rather than working to expose Scientology. So, whenever I hear, "Shouldn't you be doing something about drug abuse in your community?" I have to wonder.
What's YOUR thetan level? - sembetu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5you know, there's lots more stuff out there if you research it...
see: http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/survey/va.htm -
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