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- azAZ09, on 09/09/2008, -0/+7Did you just watch the video? Now you know those of us who tend more towards atheism feel all the time.
Even Islamic fundamentalists and scientologists would look at that and say: "that's ***** crazy". - PlacitasRoy, on 09/09/2008, -0/+6Being a recovering fundamentalist myself, I can tell you that anyone who discounts these folks does so at their own peril. They have power, they have money, and they have their paranoia.Many good related articles at talk2action.org
LdsAskMormon: You can bet a bunch of these fundies were behind it. - dckanz, on 09/08/2008, -1/+6And we really want this taking place at the Whitehouse???
- inactive, on 09/08/2008, -1/+5My initial reaction to this information is that it is disturbing. However, as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, I am very familiar with how distorted my personal religion has been made to appear, by those who oppose it.
So, of course I am anxious to hear from Sarah Palin herself, and how she personally interprets her religion as opposed to her opponents. I'm not going to jump on any bandwagons here... regardless of the sensationalism. - seaker, on 09/10/2008, -0/+3Can you say cult indoctrination?
There was a time when I might have voted for McCain. Now, he's given up all the things that I liked about him to secure this group's vote. Unbelievable. - keinsignal, on 09/08/2008, -0/+2But remember, this movement regards itself as under siege from everyone who doesn't believe as they do, be it Richard Dawkins or Bill Donohue. So if she did believe all of this stuff as fervently as many do, she'd be unlikely to admit it in front of her "enemies" in the press and public.
Me, I hope someday we can get past the idea that a candidate's religion is any kind of qualification at all. If you have a policy position, you ought to be able to argue for it without having to insist it's the will of God. We're electing a president and VP here, not a couple of imams. - seaker, on 09/10/2008, -0/+2You know, the anniversary of Kennedy's speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association is coming up in a couple of days. I listened to it recently (you can find it on NPR's site).
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him."
I can't believe how far we've strayed from that ideal. - inactive, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1I can agree with you for the most part...
A persons religion is not what qualifies them for a public office. But certainly what an individual believes could have an impact on them, in a decision making process.
From that perspective, I understand why many are inclined to wonder about a persons religion and how personally they are affected by it...
In the case of Sarah Palin, if we are wanting to see how her personal beliefs 'might' affect her politics, we can easy look to her past record in politics...
It appears as though she stands firm to the morals of her party... which many feel is quite patriotic and not necessarily religious. - jeffreytaos, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1I feared this video because it is so well made that I thought it may have been produced by those recruiters of youth who claim that you should give everything up to follow Jesus, all the while building multi-million dollar churches and hosting rock and roll styled events geared to youth. But this is a very interesting video produced by a Christian concerned about the right wing agenda to take power of the country and it must be seen in whole. A curious fact is that the building Palin's church operates out of may have been the headquarters of Jim and Tammy Baker Ministries. Must see to understand!
- westerner22, on 09/15/2008, -0/+1This is great information, except that the two videos on the page I saved are now GONE! Can anyone explain this?
I do not see anything wrong or funny in the FORMS of the religious expression in this movement, it reminds me the spirit possession in various traditional cults, like voodoo. Such spirit possession was also part of some indigenous South American rituals.
It is all the rest that is so obviously manipulative and hypocritical. Until Palin's sudden ascent I sort of tolerated all the religious fervor on the political scene. This Palin version made me think: enough is enough! No more. This is it. GO!
I also ask: are these Kenyan guys related in any way to the anti-Obama e-mails spread about his being Muslim etc.? Please help connect this, should this be the case.
And it was good to really see Palin saying the Iraq war was from God.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - jeffreytaos, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1talktoaction.org will not take you directly to the site. Instead try this link:
http://www.talk2action.org/user/Bruce%20Wilson
Bruce E. Wilson posted the video. The talktoaction.org is a parked space loaded with ads based on your ISP address, so go to the link I have provided. Once again, http://www.talk2action.org/user/Bruce%20Wilson - jeffreytaos, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1Bruce E. Wilson posted the video. The talktoaction.org is a parked space loaded with ads based on your ISP address, so go to the link I have provided. Once again, http://www.talk2action.org/user/Bruce%20Wilson
My personal take on churches like this are that they prey on young people who have had problems with family, in school, who fear or question their sexuality, who have been abused in one way or another, and who have had troubles with alcohol or drugs. These young people easily find an excitement in the church, that matches the high level energy that they dealt with in the world they left behind. I have seen ministers like these in other parts of the country, clean-cut, open minded, loving, yet the end result is to build the church and they won't deny that. But, for what purpose to they build these churches? I'd like to think to spread the gospel they believe in, but it seems, there are ulterior motives. Many of the churches older supporters are families with stakes in the economy and the nations policies, and they stand to gain the whole world. "What good is it to gain the world and to lose your soul?" Religion is a dangerous precipice. It's language can be turned in two directions simultaneously. As Bush said, "Either you are with us, or you are against us."
That said, please see this for yourself. If you are brave enough, I'll recommend www.zeitgeist.com as a follow up. - Keori, on 09/29/2008, -0/+0Do we really want an Apocalyptic, Zion-humping, Armageddon fetishist to be controlling the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world? I didn't think so, either. Go to Talk2Action, read the history, and spread the word. These people are dangerous, they're wealthy, they're well-connected, and they will stop at nothing less than the conversion or execution of every person on this planet, and then bringing about the end times via nuclear holocaust.
- librehombre, on 09/22/2008, -0/+0If McCain has a shred of honor left he will leave the race and make a full and accurate confession of his relationship to the CNP. He had Palin thrust on him, that is for sure. But he must now renounce his bid for the White House and tell us everything he knows.
Perhaps the day before election would be good timing. I just see Wolf Blitzer staining his pants. CNN will have a collective orgasm. - trog69, on 09/10/2008, -1/+1"The talktoaction.org is a parked space loaded with ads based on your ISP address,"
I don't know what that means, but there are almost no ads at Talk2action.org, and I highly recommend that site for anyone who wants to know what the religious right is doing to tear down the wall of separation. - dav8d777, on 09/15/2008, -0/+0The nature of one's worldview including their religious belief and how deeply held those beliefs are should be examined in terms of how they relate to policy. For instance, the non-religious belief that global warming is not directly attributable to the actions of mankind will inform decisions on how to best deal with global warming.
The belief that the world will end in one's lifetime, religious or otherwise will inform policy toward long term planning, military strategy etc. Three of the churches Governor Palin has attended over a period of 25 years are aligned with something called the Third Wave Movement. It is not standard Assembly of God. It is more extreme.
I am not going to rail against it, but I think once one takes a look at what has been preached in Governor Palin's church these many years it would be difficult not to conclude that her religion is a legitimate issue in the campaign. I am not trying to say that Senator Obama's church should not be considered an issue as well.
My personal opinion though is from what I am seeing in film on YouTube and reading about the movement it is very primitive, filled with a lot of what many would view as superstition and given over-zealous religious interpretation of world events as apocalyptic.
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