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- fyrehart, on 11/04/2007, -15/+1056ANY person has a right to ask for and receive the badge number of an officer.
- PATSCRU, on 11/04/2007, -17/+522wow, they asked for badge numbers and got arrested? My brother asked for badge numbers when police illegally entered his friends home, and they pulled down the blinds and beat him before arresting him....they must have it nice over in NYC. This happened in Ontario, CA, a cowtown outside of Los Angeles.
Glad this kind of thing is getting attention. - smackywentz, on 11/04/2007, -10/+456I believe their job is to "serve and protect."
- jellygraph, on 11/04/2007, -20/+321@ redstateproud
Without questioning, you allow the police abuse to occur...
But I guess in your magical world, police abuse never happens, because it never happened to you.
You disgust me - lakush, on 10/11/2007, -31/+324 Maybe this is acceptable in Russia, which makes it ironic hearing that statement from someone claiming to be "redstateproud", whatever that means.
- Grumps, on 11/04/2007, -20/+279Didnt we pay taxes to get these guys to protect our city instead of beating our ass? We're still half their boss.
- SaulBey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+226www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/pdf/nmshldanalysis4pg.pdf
"June 27, 2003: At the recommendation of the CCRB (Civilian Complaint Review Board), the New York City Police
Department issued an interim order (see page 4 of this document) revising Patrol Guide
procedure 203-09 (Public Contact –General). The revision clarifies an officer’s
affirmative obligation to provide upon a civilian’s request his or her name, badge
number, or other identifying information."
THIS MEANS THEY HAVE TO GIVE BADGE NUMBER AND OR NAME.... - FearMEiDEA, on 10/11/2007, -12/+220This is all part of the ***** definistion of a 'domestic terrorist'...
"attempting to police the police"
"speaking out against the government"
I hope to god this scarres some of you, because it's serious. Our founding fathers are turning in their graves. - GirthAgain, on 11/04/2007, -25/+232To serve and protect themselves.
- GirthAgain, on 11/04/2007, -13/+180Can you, Kupa, point me to whatever regulation/law allows the police to use their heavy-handed/authoritarian powers to arrest someone for questioning the illegal arrest that just occurred?
- GirthAgain, on 11/04/2007, -22/+181"If you want to question the legality of an officer's actions, or the legitimacy of their charges, then do so in the proper forum... A COURT!!! Not on the street while they are trying to do their job."
So one has to attend court before learning why one is being arrested?
Cop: "GET ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!!!!!"
Innocent Civilian: "Why, what did I do?"
Cop: "DON'T MAKE ME TAZE YOU!! DON'T MAKE ME *****BZZZZZZZZZZ***** TAZE YOU!!!!"
Innocent Civilian: (flopping on the ground, screaming, and wondering why we have such a violent, militarized police force that can arrest anyone for any reason regardless of legality.) - Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -15/+157@redstateproud
Actually this wasn't even close to being in police jurisdiction. Along with that, police have a right to detain you, but must give a damn good reason. If a judge finds the reason wasn't good enough, welcome to punitive damage city. So basically they police were really bored and decided to ***** around and they city is probably going to have to cough up some hefty change to the people who's bikes were stolen during their "raid" and to the people they detained without probable cause.
You lose. - faskippy, on 10/11/2007, -11/+140@redstateproud: You blithering idiot. RTFA. This is not a case of the police being in the middle of a drug raid, or anything dangerous. This is a case of them cutting locks off of bicycles and loading them into a van. Now you give me one good reason why they couldn't simply answer the damn question. It is perfectly legal to ask for a badge number, and will help protect another officer from being accused of wrongdoing should there be any question about who did what. I am always of the opinion that if there is a dangerous situation at hand, stay out of their way, but this is clearly not one of those times, and you know it. I am so sick and tired of people who just lay down and offer their ass up for a screwing by this ***** runaway train, thereby encouraging them to do it to the rest of us. You should be ashamed of yourself. Geez.
- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -15/+105this is a police state. don't question.
- tuned2chords, on 11/04/2007, -3/+84For those of you unaware of the Critical Mass bicycle rides, this is the new york city version. The police use strong-arm tactics to scare individuals away from coming out to the rides. As the Critical Mass is the last friday of everything month (cities all over the world, check it out, few other police departments care), NYPD has heavily enforced this as a protest (which it's not) since the 2004 Republican National Convention. Remember this, this is four hours a night, once a month: they've spent almost two million dollars enforcing this since 2004.
Myself, I was arrested two months ago for the following: Officer yelled at me not to take pictures on the cross-walk, proceed to throw me onto the sidewalk. A moment later, from the sidewalk, I take a picture and he decides to arrest me. He then perjures all the charges and I waste 21 hours in jail plus lots of other stress, such as my camera being taken as criminal evidence before a few weeks (that camera is my job). Judge dropped my charges. It's great because we have video evidence showing I did nothing wrong, which is good for a court case. - faskippy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+83"Did they arrest him for asking for their badge numbers, or videotaping the incident? I know lots of cities have laws against photographing police operations (designed to protect undercover cops, but often applied more broadly/unnecessarily)."
Well, I don't know, but it didn't say anything about the nurse having a camera, so what's the excuse there? - Winters, on 10/11/2007, -1/+77I just want to chime in and say that I have been arrested for asking to see a badge. The officer was in "plain clothes" and was trying to order me out of my house. I was confused and asked to see his badge. He forced his way into my house and arrested me. Since I know that they have to tell you at the time of your arrest what the crime is, I asked what I was being arrested for. The charge was "resisting arrest", I kid you not.
Anyway, this stuff really happens. It's a nightmare for the victims. Nobody believes you and you get treated like a criminal by everyone in the so called justice system. - bacchante, on 10/11/2007, -3/+68It's approaching a police state when you get arrested for asking questions.
- UnFriendlyFire, on 10/11/2007, -4/+67I guess you could ask the police for their side of the story, if you want to be arrested.
- feckineejit, on 10/11/2007, -5/+67what happens if the gov't tries to take away your son or daughter for protesting peacefully? would you say, "Thanks officer"?
- cmadach, on 10/11/2007, -16/+73Sure, Johnny Gestapo.
- taintedzodiac, on 10/11/2007, -7/+61Don't take this as a random shock comment, but our freedom went down with the twin towers. It wasn't the beginning of the erosion, but it was a big hit.
- grymwulf, on 10/11/2007, -14/+68I would be afraid of a bunch of guys dressing up in costumes and dumping several ship's worth of cargo into a harbor.
Let's see how quickly our current 'government' labels you a terrorist when you dress up in your ninja-hoodie, and dump a cargo ship's worth of freight into Boston harbor. - vvelox, on 10/11/2007, -2/+55Not sure why grymwulf is being dugg down. I don't agree that it is terrorism, but a action such as that would most likely be labeled that today.
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -5/+57@divisblebyzero "Stick a camera in their face and act like a jackass, they just might be jackasses back."
I don't think the cops that beat Rodney King were incited by the person filming them.
Actually, it should be against the law from preventing any citizen from filming public officials on duty. Imagine the outcry had the cops tried to arrest the person who filmed Rodney King's beating. (LA riots x2) - shazbot3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+53What the hell IS "redstateproud", anyway??? You know, most cops are pretty decent. But every city in this country have those few who abuse their authority. It happens EVERYWHERE. Don't you ever watch your local news??? Here in our little one-horse town it goes on, even.
Last weekend, the city cops were doing a drug raid. Only, they hit the wrong house. They just happened to go in & bust up a teenager's birthday party. One which was being chaperoned by the boy's grandparents. They busted down the door, guns out, & screaming at everyone to "Get Down!!!". The ones who didn't get down were THROWN DOWN, some having bones broken. When the grandparents FINALLY got the "attacking in pack-mode" cops to chill the ***** out for a minute, they got them to realize they were at the wrong address. They were a whole block over from the house they were SUPPOSED to be hitting. So not only did they ***** up a bunch of innocent people, all the hullaballoo alerted the original drug house to what was going down, and by the time they DID get to the right address, no one was there. And you know what they said????????? "Well, gee whillikers, our bad! Sorry 'bout that. We won't let that happen again..." The worst part about this whole thing was that the cops stereotyped this family. Yes, they were black, Yes, they lived in a rough part of town. Yes, there were a bunch of teenagers hanging out there-it was a BIRTHDAY party, for cripe's sake!
Now they're saying "Oh, we just got all turned-around going through all these people's back yards. No big deal, no harm, no foul. But you'd better BELIEVE this ain't gonna go away that easily. This family intends to sue the city, & I'm all for it. There were two teenagers with broken bones, but yet the cops said they never threw ANYBODY against the wall or to the floor. Explain the broken bones, then??????
Dude, get rid of your rose-colored glasses as far as the cops are concerned. I KNOW they've got a job to do. And they need to DO that job, NOT abuse it's authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - DivisibleByZero, on 11/04/2007, -35/+82Did they arrest him for asking for their badge numbers, or videotaping the incident? I know lots of cities have laws against photographing police operations (designed to protect undercover cops, but often applied more broadly/unnecessarily).
One thing to keep in mind is that the cop on the street is usually just doing his job, whether he thinks his orders are right or not. And cutting a bike chain isn't exactly ethnic cleansing, so it's unfeasible to say the cop should stand up and put his job on the line over it.
So no matter how asinine a law like that is, just be polite to the cops and you may be surprised to find out they're actual human beings. Stick a camera in their face and act like a jackass, they just might be jackasses back.
Jackassery in this case pretty much equates to abuse of power, so hopefully they get disciplined for it. - kenvsryu, on 10/11/2007, -4/+47Make sure you don't have a wallet when asking the question - those get you killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo
- dforty3, on 10/11/2007, -10/+53Exactly. Look in the mirror everyone. People have been terrorized into giving up rights and freedoms.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4580078919009360294&q=911+vendetta&hl=en
People shouldn't be scared of their government. Government should be scared of the people. - kent1146, on 10/11/2007, -11/+53I'm making the "giant" leap of assumption that many Digg users are also Star Wars fans. But the political stage in Star Wars is exactly what is going on now... an executive branch is given unprecedented power (Emperor Palpatine) under the banner that only a strong military can protect the people during times of rebellion/war/terrorism. The legislative branch (the Senate) is weakened and irrelevant, because it gets in the way of the executor. The executor and his followers now control the entire government, with no checks and balanced.
The NYPD are just stormtroopers in blue armor without the helmets. - UnFriendlyFire, on 10/11/2007, -4/+44Pulling over a person for a moving violation is a very different situation. Interference from a civilian in that case could put the cop, the suspect and the civilian at risk. In the case of cops picking up bikes, there is no risk in asking for a badge number. Police are required to ID them selves on demand unless the situation makes it impractical or dangerous.
True Americans should never stop questioning the government. - Khemikl, on 10/11/2007, -5/+43Where did our freedom go?
- dentonez, on 10/11/2007, -17/+55This isn't a shooting. It's not like the got in the police's way by asking questions. If you came outside and the police were hooking your pickup that you knew was parked legally up to a tow truck I think you might saunter over and inquire as to why. Your all redneck proud standing up for the establishment on here, but somehow I think you'd be interested in when your precious mudtruck was getting returned and making sure your rebel flag was still intact when it was. So how would you feel when you broached these questions and low and behold your handcuffed instead? You always assume that it's got to be some angry hippy screaming in the cops faces or some of them darned hip hoppers with pants falling off. I've been there during similar incidents and when the cops get worked up it doesn't matter if you are a chubby dentist, pretty girl, black white green rich poor. Cops don't like to be questioned. They like to be in positions of total power and will go to great lengths to maintain that semblance of power.
- redrock34, on 10/11/2007, -7/+43An officer is backed by his department, which is backed by the city, which is backed by the county, which is backed by the state, which is backed by the United States of America. AKA: Make a move the officer doesn't like and you're screwed.
- Pixelante, on 10/11/2007, -4/+39@Aeaus: No, the Founding Fathers were Rebels. Like Luke Skywalker, only not as lame. Thomas Jefferson kicked ass, he beat up the Prez once.
- dforty3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37Whenever people cite Godwin's law, I have to wonder if they really feel that another Hitler situation could never happen ever again. If you are waiting for the sinister looking leader with a funny mustache, I doubt that clue will lend itself to you. But history is indeed repeating itself. From false flag attacks, to patriot act laws being passed without review and laws being put in place to nullify congress and make the president a dictator with the next attack (regardless if congress is directly affected or not), you can't ignore the same tactics are being used. So cite Godwins' law all you want, but you won't deter me or anyone that actually pays attention from calling it what it is.
- Grouser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34Just to amplify what saulbey wrote above...
NYPD Patrol Guide, PG 203-09 (Public Contact):
"(1) Courteously and clearly state your rank, name, shield number and command, or otherwise provide them, to anyone who requests you to do so. Allow the person ample time to note this information. (2) Be courteous and respectful." - dforty3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+37Not a police state yet, but these things don't just happen overnight. Consider the way Hitler slowly imposed a police state. Germany was a very young democracy (I think about 12 yrs old) before Hitler staged false flag attacks, incrementally changed laws under the guise of fighting terrorism and before you knew it, it was too late to do anything about it from within.
When Democracy Failed
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1251628960376247583&q=when+democracy+failed&hl=en - shredswithpiks, on 10/11/2007, -3/+35"The officer was in "plain clothes" and was trying to order me out of my house. I was confused and asked to see his badge."
That officer is lucky he wasn't trying to order me out of my house. If a plain clothes guy came in to my home and started ordering me around, I'd pull out a gun and tell him to leave (make my day law in my state). If he refused to leave or refused to show me a badge he'd be dead and I'd be in prison for shooting a cop. - DooM, on 10/11/2007, -5/+35This ISN'T a crime scene! The cops were cutting locks off bikes that they THOUGHT were improperly attached to street signs (if you RTFA you know that this wasn't even the case) -- these pigs weren't in fear for their lives or tryiing to 'control a crime scene'; they're just bullies with a third grade mentality and on a ridiculous power trip. I hate cops.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29Godwin's law was not meant to detract from debates about things like the power of police. It was meant for casual use of the word Nazi like 'Hell the mods on x have gone too far, it's like Nazi Germany here'. When you are having a debate about police states the Nazi party is on topic so is an exception to the law.
- ubuwalker31, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27@radio1mike (#7026697):
Police Officer's don't like when you write down their badge numbers. I observed a NYC PO with a "Punisher" skull (from the comic) on his service pistol. I thought it was inappropriate and in poor judgment, since the Punisher is a vigilante who considers killing, kidnapping, extortion, coercion, threats of violence and torture as acceptable crime-fighting tactics. Not exactly the sort of thing that an NYPD PO should be aspiring to, so I discretely tried to note his name and badge number, so I could forward a nice letter to him personally, explaining why I thought it was inappropriate. Needless to say, he was well trained, and spotted me taking down his badge number, and asked me, rather harshly, if I had a problem. I told him what I thought, and he basically told me to fly a kite. I didn't get beat up, and when I saw him a year later, in the subway, I noticed that the sticker was still there. Oh well.
The other time I "interfered" with a police investigation was when my mother decided to yell at a crime scene detective who was photographing an accident in Fort Lee, NJ who decided to take a few shots of a pretty young ladies ass. We both got thrown up against a wall, and frisked for weapons, got yelled at for causing a scene, and let go. It wasn't nice of them, and I've disliked Fort Lee Cops ever since. - graystar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Who will watch the watchers now that is not allowed by the watchers?
- bacchante, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28A lot of police officers are my friends and family. They aren't all that way. But a lot of them DO have issues. A lot of them don't deal with their personal issues in very constructive ways. I'm not sure I would call the worst that I know psychopaths, but they do have real problems which one way or another make them *****. Some of them even realize it but many of them blame it on the "thankless job" they do, but I'm not so convinced.
- mccrusc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+30This is too much. Law enforcement in this country is fundamentally flawed. I feel terrible for the good people who decided to become police officers, they must be so disillusioned, if they are not brainwashed.
- shredswithpiks, on 10/11/2007, -5/+29ok... if you ask for a police officer's badge number, and he's a little occupied or busy at the moment then the officer should say "hey, I'm busy. come back later and we'll discuss whatever you need."
Arresting somebody for a request of information is completely unacceptable. - ascii63, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24While our founding fathers may not have been terrorists, they were definitely insurgents. This country was founded on resistance to unjust rule by whatever means necessary. The Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to ensure that We the People could defend ourselves from tyrants when they come to power (like they have now). Too bad nobody in this country has the balls to fight for their freedom anymore. Challenging the power of unjust authorities - not working FOR them, as some would have you believe -- despite the consequences, is about as patriotic as you can get.
- PresidentSoup, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23@mike17032
And what basis do you have that he's in High School? Instead of attempting to insult his intelligence (which i'm sure there are many high schoolers that are smarter and have more valid opinions than you on these matters), why not try to explain in a polite matter why you disagree with his statement. Personal attacks really take away the value of any argument. - blackacre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22Here's a video of this particular incident. (Found via the comments in the Gothamist article.)
http://blip.tv/file/252942/ - idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23@Error601
No, they just think you're a dick. -
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