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- projectstartrek, on 10/20/2007, -5/+198It's funnier when they use all 2 dollar bills and get tackled to the ground by secret service.
- fadeout, on 11/09/2007, -24/+173Yeah, that'll show those city employees working overtime because of him (at the taxpayer's expense) that had nothing to do with his tax rate...
- wiirdo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+82Apparently you don't know the whole story. I'm from Indianapolis. Many homeowners have been on a protesting rampage because the property taxes have gone up more than 100% because the assessors are idiots. One apartment complex owner said his tax bill went from $90K to $210K. The owner said that if he passed this cost to the tenants, they would all leave, so he has to eat the cost.
The semi-happy ending is that the governor put a freeze on the 2007 bill and has told everyone to pay their 2006 rate instead. - luke123, on 10/12/2007, -18/+98Oh, sweet! Way to go!
- MrJ412, on 10/12/2007, -4/+71Wouldn't you want a receipt after paying a $12K tax bill?
- MaynardJK, on 10/10/2007, -4/+66I would have intentionally been one cent short, watched them count it, and make them count it again since they were off. Then I would have gone "oops, my bad" and give them a penny and walk out.
- abid786, on 10/10/2007, -7/+64This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.
- chuckstab, on 10/12/2007, -10/+63I work in retail and I've personally handled a $7k sale in tens. The only thing it did was make me want to step around the counter and punch the man in the face.
Oh and by "retail" I mean Best Buy. I shouldn't bother making it sound better than it is. - CavyJason, on 10/10/2007, -1/+54This was one of the worst articles regarding this. The man DID NOT do this to ruin the cashiers' day, he did it in protest to the property taxes here in Indiana. IIRC, his property taxes on his home, rentals, and business increased 225% over last year due to the generous assessments. This is a very heated topic in all of Indiana right now, especially Marion County and Delaware County.
http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070814/NEWS01/708140340/1002/NEWS17
For those stating he should just sell his property...to whom? Nobody wants to buy property in Delaware County right now BECAUSE of the high taxes. Any new business that the local government is able to coerce in is doing so by tax abatement... - Bdog2g2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52Counter : 10001, 10002, 10003,
Guy (simultaneously): 1103, 330,2233,iraq,30003,233,324,4
Counter: *****!!!!! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+54Sucks to be him because, he had to count the ***** before he gave it to them.
I'm just not that dedicated. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+47"All United State money... is a valid and legal offer of payments for debts when tendered to a creditor." The law FTW
http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp - kkeith02, on 10/10/2007, -4/+50Sucks to be the guy behind him in line...
- MarkDykeman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+45This type of story seems to come up several times a year, doesn't it?
- domeyerj, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37No, they can't refuse to accept that form of payment. This isn't some privately run grocery store, this is a government run service.
- dagr8tim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+36IIRC the law. Yes the county could have refused his payment, BUT.... they would have had to of forgiven the debt. If you make an attempt to pay a tax bill and they refuse the payment. They are out of luck.
- ronh, on 10/10/2007, -5/+35You work at Best Buy, I could punch you in the face.
- jimic79, on 10/10/2007, -2/+30I don't think he had to, but i think it would've been worth the price of admission for the show...
- SillyRabbits, on 10/10/2007, -3/+31"the county COULD refuse to accept this form of payment"
No they can't. What the hell do they teach in schools today? If you open up your wallet and pull out a bill you will notice the little line that says "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE". They can't refuse it, all they can do is force you to count it out for them. - DraconWolf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27People in this thread are confused. Yes, stores can refuse to sell you something if you try to pay in all pennies. The reason is because a purchase is not a debt. If you read the print on money it says "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private". If a store doesn't want to sell you something they don't have to -- therefore you are not in debt with them yet. However, since a tax bill is a debt this guy is fully within his rights to pay this way. If the city refuses it then they can't keep claim to the debt.
- howski, on 10/10/2007, -4/+29I say good for the customer for paying cash. He obviously saved his money until he could afford the purchase, rather than putting it on a credit card and paying twice as much in the long run for something he really couldn't afford in the first place. As for punching him in the face, credit/debit cards have done much to ensure the laziness of retail employees, as evidenced by that Visa check card commercial that tries to teach us to look with disdain on the man with the nerve to pay cash.
- gotamd, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26It was probably easier for him because he can request rolls of coins from the bank in exact amounts and then empty them into a sack or wheelbarrow.
- Tweekster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24Except they wouldnt have to count it again.
"Sorry sir you are one penny short, but we are closing, please come back tomorrow"
actually if i were the person counting, it would have taken days. cause remember i am getting paid, you are not - TTSkipper, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27How much were they depositing that it cost them $1135.90 in interest for not having it in the bank for one night?
- howyoudoin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21and likes to play in the sand in japan
- DrDragun, on 10/10/2007, -13/+32That punk! My tax dollars are paying their overtime. Thx for doing ur part to contribute to more government waste.
- Corrosionx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20"If you're gonna have the slimiest job on earth"
Oh I thought you meant being a bureaucrat - wusupdoe, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21Did he have to stay there to watch them count it?
- WarpFox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17It says you have to accept the bill ON THE BILL ITSELF. Coins i'm not certian of, but if you offer to pay someone in $1 bills and it is refused, you can go to court and have the debt discharged. The only reason currency has any value is because the courts order it so.
- pooflinger1, on 10/10/2007, -11/+27no, it send's a message to the state who missed out on over $1000 in interest that those clerks would never see. Plus, it makes them complain to their supervisors, who complain to their supervisors... If everyone, or at least a majority of people did this I bet they would re-consider these tax increases because the time lost counting would cost more than the increase... And they can't outlay people paying in change since it is legal federal tender...
- dsendecki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Your tax dollars have purchased 1 (one) quagmire in the middle east — congratulations.
- Jtheletter, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18You know, all you people who are kvetching about how all he did was inconvenience the local clerks and not the people who caused this missed the point of his actions. He paid this tax bill like this to raise awareness of the problem (a 225% tax increase within about one year apparently) and get more people to notice the problem. The fact that it made the news and now people worldwide are commenting about it on digg only shows that his tactic worked! He raised awareness, now maybe some people in his area will hear about this and band together to do something about it. Right or wrong, his plan was to get his situation noticed, and it worked.
- DocHoliday22, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18This is a man with a plan....
- mglmouser, on 10/10/2007, -9/+24I'm surprised they accepted it.
it's a common misconception that any tender is legal tender in any given amount. Laws varies from place to place in that respect but despite similar stories in Canada, a (barely know or rarely observed) law here states that paying a bill with more then 25 units of a small currency can NOT be used to pay for a bill that can be paid using more valuable (and therefore more easily manageable) currency.
The wording of the law actually targets loose changes (like using 1c coins to pay for a 10$ bill for example).
But money is money and given banks have equipment that can deal with that, they usually (and with a grudge) accept it anyhow. - Nicksname1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15... and lots of time on his hands.
- plizard, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21uhhhh moron. if it wasn't for landlord's you probably would have been homeless sometime in your life. besides, landlords have to charge whatever because the majority of it goes to pay back a mortgage out on the property.
- johnn11238, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Wow. In the world of anal-retentive geeks, you guys are head and shoulders above the rest.
- Slagged, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Links to the local coverage with pictures.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007708150490
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007708140436 - UrsaMare, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Actually, the Snopes link in the parent states that stores can refuse to accept any denomination of currency that they want, as long as they make it clear to a customer before the transaction what payment they will accept. I also wouldn't try walking out of the store with the goods and claim it is free. It looks like, from the link, that you would have to go to court and get an order saying the debt is discharged.
- digitalcassette, on 10/10/2007, -8/+20Just a thought but hear me out, we get taxed on our income, we get taxed on our accrued interest from savings, we get taxed on our land, we get taxed on the things we purchase, we get taxed on the value of our vehicles every year (at least in Georgia we do). Where the hell is all that money going? If nothing this guy at least made a statement by doing this and it came through loud and clear to me "if you want this money you have to earn it". I applaud him.
- Demagogue, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Yet again, the problem has been Indianapolis property tax increased over 100% because of the city. This guy is making a very good point and if it gets press then that means it worked. There has been HUGE uproar around here.
- Talphin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Nickels and dimes baby... Forget the $1's...
- mdoom, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15Lost $1135.90 from missing their deposit because of overnight interest? They must be depositing a lot of cash each day, and have one hell of an interest rate on that
- TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Not true.
I'm salaried and a government employee and I can receive overtime pay or compensatory leave. If I work on a Saturday, I can receive an extra 8 hours of pay or 8 hours of vacation time.
When I worked for the state government it was the same way. It's just not automatic, they can fill out paperwork and apply for it. - BasharTeg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13There's a huge flaw in your argument. When you go to Wal-Mart or Target, you don't owe them any debt. Therefore, they don't have to accept any type of payment they don't want to, including certain forms of legal tender. You have the right to not do business with someone you don't wish to do business with, which is related to freedom of association. You can't force someone into a sale using currency they don't want to accept, but if someone allows you to incur a debt, like if Wal-mart gave you store credit and let you take the lawnmower home today, they have to accept US currency in collecting that debt, and failure to do so forefits the debt. This idea that you have a right to buy anything with any currency you want is stupid. Like "twinklyJesus" above going on about "They HAVE to accept legal US tender." They don't HAVE to sell you anything they don't want to. And the fact that they refuse to sell you something for your pennies doesn't make it free. Notice on the bills it says for all debts, public and private, not all sales. Just because I walk up to you with the value of your house in pennies, I don't own your house for free if you don't take the pennies. Stupidity. As far as this guy's property tax bill, can I suggest the rest of the states who haven't already copy California's Prop 13? Not that you have any chance if you live in a state without any direct democracy (Initiative, Recall, and Referendum), but I wish you good luck anyway. I hate to see land owners being as screwed by property taxes. It's like you're renting your property from the state.
- twinklyJesus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12NERD FIGHT! *slap slap scratch* "Ow my braces!"
- s1mph0ny, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11If you're going to round it off (incorrectly, I might add), you can at least label it as 13k. It saves space, and follows the significant digit rule.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Pi is exactly 3, everyone knows that.
- TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11mglmouser,
There are various laws surrounding this in the US.
A company, such as Wal-Mart or Target, does not have to accept certain denominations if it interferes with their business. For example, your business can be refused if you walk up to the checkout lane and pay for a lawnmower in change because you're unnecessarily creating long lines and interfering with the store's business. They can refuse to accept the money, as you said, even though it is legal tender. And they can suggest that you go to a bank and change the coinage into bills and come back.
However, a bank that operates under the guidelines of the Federal Reserve has to follow certain regulations. The 12 Federal Reserve banks and numerous member banks MUST accept any form of legal tender. Privately-owned commercial and community banks do not. This is under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
And as far as I know, a state or municipal treasury office, revenue office, tax office, etc. also must follow the guidelines set by the Federal Reserve. The DMV can send you away for trying to pay a $200 fine in pennies. The state-run liquor stores can refuse your business if you're buying vodka with nickels. The treasury and tax offices cannot. - UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10And eat spam...
Damn, I'm no good at this. -
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