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- corbs132, on 05/19/2008, -1/+9dugg for censoring "co.ckpit"
- EatingPie, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7Actually, it was NOT the disaster you make it out to be. You need to tell the whole story, something we're not so good at these days because we all have agendas and biases. From wiki...
"By far the greatest and most unexpected effect was on German food production. The Ruhr valley below the dams was a major source of vital food for Germany, and large areas of arable land were rendered unusable and huge numbers of farm animals were killed. This had an immediate negative effect on German morale. In addition, the pictures of the broken dams proved to be a propaganda and morale boost to the Allies, especially to the British, still suffering under German bombing. [5]
An associated, but equally major effect was that Barnes Wallis's ideas on earth quake bombing, which had been rejected before, now became accepted by 'Bomber' Harris. Prior to this raid bombing practice had been to 'area bomb' with many light bombs, in the hope that one would hit the target. Work on the earthquake bomb theory resulted in the Tallboy and Grand Slam weapons, which caused unprecedented damage to German infrastructure in the later stages of the war. They rendered the V-2 assembly building unusable, buried the V-3 guns, sank the Tirpitz and destroyed many bridges and other hardened installations. Notable amongst their successes were the U-Boat pens at Brest, where they penetrated 20 ft thick roofs of reinforced concrete, and the Saumur Tunnel, which was attacked by dropping the bombs straight through 60 feet of hill to explode in the tunnel below."
-Pie - gbudavid, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6They were not dodging flak .It was a straight approach with no leeway. Kinda like shooting pool with a bent cue and a bouncing ball...
- EatingPie, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6The '50s movie about the raid, called "The Dam Busters," shows the actual test footage of the bombs.
And on an unrelated note, the dog (I believe the squadron's mascot) was named "*****," and yeah, it was black. Some unintended laughs there after 50 years, and also a pretty big sign about how things have changed... in society and hollywood.
-Pie - Darren07, on 05/19/2008, -4/+9Damn, and these guys were flying in this "junk" over Germany, dodging flak and dropping bombs.
That's courage. Not like today, sitting on a ship, pressing a button and launching a missile. - chevyorange, on 05/19/2008, -0/+5In WWII, the 617 was elite. Not sure about now though! Are they still flying the Tornado in 617?
- witchdoctor117, on 05/19/2008, -0/+4Although it looks like junk now in its time it was every bit as high tech as the missile. Personally, although it would still be a horrible situation to be in, I would still be grateful that I wasn't in Gallipoli WW1 about to charge over the trench just to be slaughtered.
- inactive, on 05/19/2008, -1/+5I like the title of this when you aren't logged in.
- Paranoidmarvin, on 05/19/2008, -0/+3They have a statue of ***** where they are based, in Scotland
- TheAcidQueen, on 05/19/2008, -3/+5Bring back the British Empire.
- IDiggDrSiN, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2This flew over me as I was fishing the Saturday before last it must have been on a practice flight towards Derwent , it didn't have it's escort like it did for the actual celebration. I recognised it straight away such a legendary plane but it's the first time I had seen it , great to actually see it in real life.
- leapius, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2Yeah they're amazing I actually live 1 mile from the Derwent dam. The spitfire and hurricane flew over and tipped their wings as I waved (I was the only one around too). So awesome.
- Myonosken, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2I think he meant in general. In relation to the dam bustings, it was an extremely difficult approach- so close to the water in the dark.
- Hosalabad, on 05/19/2008, -1/+2Hah if you aren't logged in, it replaces cockpit with asterisks.
- MemoDelLocos, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1Found on youtube for your viewing pleasure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ohMEZ-d3I - tehbored, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1Yeah, wtf is up with that? Digg needs to work on its profanity censorship system.
- Myonosken, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1I call ***** because the BBC show it with '*****' every ***** christmas.
- Myonosken, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1You'd not heard of the dam busters but are doing a piece on the RAF.
Huh. - SwampyUK, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1Unfortunately I saw the film a couple of years ago UK network TV and references to the dog had been removed. A time before that, the dog was renamed 'Nipper'.
When it's shown in the US I believe the dog was renamed to 'Trigger', but that's according to a Guardian Newspaper article.
Given the codeword of one of the bombing runs was named after the dog it's messing with history, but nothing that Hollywood hasn't done before. - halfcylon, on 05/20/2008, -0/+0It's really impressive to see what our relatives went through during the war. I've got no idea how they made these old tin buckets fly.
- sandersdamnit, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1WTF no. 15?
- Paranoidmarvin, on 05/19/2008, -2/+2"The RAF's elite 617 Squadron, nicknamed the Dambusters"
Hahah, 617 still exist - my dad is in it, and there's nothing elite about him - travantech, on 05/19/2008, -0/+0Those appear to be Mosquito and A-20 attack aircraft - not Lancasters. Here is a clip of the Derbyshire flight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyAZffH9IDo
Also it appears that a Lancaster still flys out of Hamilton Ontario CA
http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_lancaster.h ... - RSS14, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1No ***** way, I have a history project on the air force during WWII. This article will come to good use. Thanks a lot Digg!
- philz, on 05/19/2008, -0/+0This one is interesting too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrN0iVJjLgU - decet, on 05/19/2008, -5/+4"Eight aircraft were lost that day and 53 of the 133 men who took part did not return."
Well, this was a bargain - as a consequence of the dam-busting, 2400 civilians and POWs lost their lives. The RAF command took this collateral damage into account when they planned the mission, which was supposed to cripple the German industry depending on the water supply from the reservoirs targeted. Unfortunately, the damage to the industrial complex was only insignificant, whereas the loss of civilian lives was used by German propaganda to stoke hatred against the enemy, instead of breaking the population's morale.
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