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- Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+172Teacher: Are you even listening? do you have any clue to what the Bohr model is?
UGM2099: Yes, sir, I have a raging clue. - UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -8/+169I was so tired in my 1st hour classes I would get my 'morning wood' 20 minutes in to class, on the dot. Dealing with a raging boner while trying to learn the Bohr model is frustrating.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+98I used to be in education and there is undeniable proof that High Schools (ages 12 and up) are useless before 10 am. Therefore the classes in the morning, at least 2, are always going to be harder for the students.
The problem is most states in our country need early times for sports practice after school and other after school groups so the students aren't home by dark. It's pretty tough to balance this for the majority of school districts that aren't "Southern" states. - weizilla, on 10/12/2007, -4/+99In college, students are pretty much useless before noon
- Cahill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+54Yeah, there is actual evidence to support the fact that teens need more sleep than adults. We also studied this subject in my sociology class.
- sleepychick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43Teens' circadian rhythms naturally tell them to go to bed late and get up late. Little kids naturally go to bed early and wake up early. It's not an issue of "screwing the first graders" -- they don't mind getting up early!
- zaffir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+40There's plenty of evidence that indicates that "going to bed earlier" won't work. Teens and young people in general naturally go to sleep later and wake up later.
- Vishap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32They had this same debate where I was from. I remember early on when I had to catch the bus for high school, I had to catch it at about 6:45 am. Many people had to catch it much earlier. One suggestion was to switch high school and elementary school start times. Many parents of elementary schoolers supported it, stating that their kids were up by then anyway, and high shoolers' parents supported it too. There were some concerns about the elementary schoolers getting home before their parents were done with work though.
The most idiotic argument in the whole case that I remember was someone who wrote that when he was a kid he got "up with the sun" and we highschoolers should stop whining because he had it harder. I remember laughing because the sun didn't rise till second hour, and if you had after school activities would set before you got home. You could easily go the whole day without seeing the sun, as most classrooms didn't have windows. Up with the sun would have been a blessing. - renegadeafk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28@craig I can go to sleep at 6, but getting on the bus at 6:40 in the morning is still torture, I'm hardly awake for my first couple classes.
- Fejerro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21This isn't a "here's an idea, will it work?" article, it's a "here's what we did, and this is how and why it's working" article.
"Students reported less depression when there was a later starting time," she says. "And teachers reported that students were more alert and ready for learning. Parents reported that their children were easier to live with because their emotions were more regulated."
If it were me when I was in high school, it would have meant Swimming & Water Polo would have started at 7:20 AM instead of 6:00 AM, and maybe I would have made it to practice on time more than once a term.
Try sleeping in an hour and twenty minutes later Monday morning next week and tell me if it makes a difference. (Besides your boss's reaction!) - masgrada, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19We started at 7:24am (24?? wtf?) I however was asleep until at least second period, if not third.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25Why do people add their retarded comments in the description field?
- Ryan0rZ, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25When I was in HS ('03 Grad) I could never figure out why we started at 7am and the elementary kids started at 9am. Those little kids have so much more energy in the morning. Then, in my senior year when I started to get my ***** together and got some better sleep, I realized why we started at 7am....because we got out at 2pm. I had basically the entire day to do whatever I wanted. :)
I wish I had remembered that lesson in to my freshman year of college. - sdrawkcaB, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Holy crap! 7:30!? The schools I've seen around here (southern ontario) all start just before 9AM. and it's still too ***** early. 10 is the sweet spot.
Also, no it's not because we stay up too long. I could go to bed at 8PM and still be tired getting up at 8AM. - autodata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Mine started at 8:45 when I was there over 10 years ago, and I felt that that was early. This is honestly the first I've heard of schools starting as early as 7:20. I'm completely serious when I say I would have transferred if my high school started that early. It's totally unacceptable, IMO.
- shreveyboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"In college, students are pretty much useless before noon"
So very true, my previous semester was my first one at college.
I took 8am classes everyday.
Now, in my second semester, my earliest class is 12pm. - zaffir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15God forbid we do something to help kids learn better in our horrible abortion of a public school system. Schools should be about obedience first, knowledge second, right?
- Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Lucky Bastard. Mine starts at 7:30
- knaps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Screw the first-graders? No way!
When I was little I used to wake up at 6 like every single day. It annoyed the hell out of my parents, and I bet that they'd have been glad to have me leave the house an hour earlier.
Now, compare that to my last year of high school, where I'd have to literally be dragged out of bed at 5:50AM just so I could groggily stand out in the freezing cold waiting for a ride / to die, and I can see why people might think this makes sense. Because it does (to me) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10high schools should go 9am-4pm, not 7am-2pm. it's better timed for parents' work, especially when their work is close by. if the parents have to go to work early, kids can either take the school bus, or hang out in school early in the morning. 7am is ridiculous for most though.
- cypherspace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Indeed. Just as doing the night shift isn't what the human body was designed for, neither is waking up early for teenagers. For anyone who says they should just shut up and put up, what's the difference in what time it starts as long as they go? If they don't go, then still, what's the difference if they didn't go already? There's nothing bad in this decision. It works in everyone's favour if it works, and if it doesn't work, then no-one's lost anything except some whiny idiots who are jealous because they don't get a lie-in.
- zaffir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Not all of us had or have the luxury of free periods.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@bobothn
Normally I think it's petty to point out spelling and grammar errors, but since this is a discussion about education, I think it might be worth pointing out that your comment is an illustrative example of what happens when students sleep 4 hours a day at school. - sampson123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well it's a good thing that the policy is being set by people who actually have concern about the health and education of our teens. Not by whiny digg users.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Wow, AmandaW is a retard.
If you've ever read an analysis of sleep studies on children, then you'd know that teenagers require more sleep than younger children to achieve the same level of alertness. It's not "omg way to screw the first graders!!1" its "we've looked at the data and feel that this is the scientifically prudent thing to do." - maverick97008, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@VTmruhlin
"The problem with stuff like this is that you can usually show benefits in the short term, but they won't necessarily last. As this model becomes more popular, schedules will shift. Kids go to school later, they get out of school later. They play sports later."
WRONG,Circadian rhythms have nothing to do with when you go to bed. - codyman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I too, a college student, can somewhat agree with the "college students are useless before noon" theory.... I do have classes at 8:30 in the morning, however, I make sure they are easier classes... I save things like math and science for the afternoon cause otherwise I would be screwed
- gardnmi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I find myself useless at work between the hours of 9a.m. to 5p.m.
- Norweed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Ummm. High School is about learning not teaching "those god damned bastard punk kids" how to "suck it up and deal with the harsh realities of life." There's plenty of time for that. In the mean time how about we figure out when students are best able to learn and teach them that way.
- Gutzyshark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6But remember when everyone was a kid, you would get up at the crack of dawn and watch cartoons until noon when Soul Train would come on. Little kids are often up at dawn anyway, so why make the high schoolers get up at 6 am when they were up late the night before and actually could use the sleep? I know I could have used the extra sleep back in the day.
- lflorio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's called a siesta. It works in Europe and South America.
- BuffalOBisoN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Getting up before the sun is out is depressing. 9 am sounds like a good time to start.
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"You are useless because you are useless. I work 18 hours a day. Eight at my "job" and then 6-8 hours growing my photogrpahy business.
You are weak."
Working 18 hours is easy if you like what you are doing. - brokekneck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7atleast they are starting to think alittle.
- linuxinit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5*****... When I was in public high school, I had to be in class ready to go at 7:30, and school got out at 3:10. We only had 4 periods per day, like 30 minutes for lunch, and 10 for homeroom/break. We had 5 minutes to get between classes, and I went to a 5a school, that was very spread out. It was all pure misery. They had to 'cut back on energy consumption', so their solution was to turn out every other light in the hallways. It was like a prison. I at least had one teacher that would take us outside and let us work. Something about being outside, in open air makes you feel so much better.
I dropped out and started homeschooling as a sophomore, and guess what, I graduated within months of dropping out. You know what else? I stayed up till 3am and woke up after noon every day. *****, some days I didn't even do anything, even weeks. The majority of time spent in public schools isn't doing work, it's waiting on everyone else so you can progress to the next task. Going at your own pace is so much better, you get more done, and you get it done faster. You can bust your ass for two weeks, and get done what kids in public school get done in a semester, and then take a break for a few weeks, and do whatever the hell you want.
I'm now 19, and starting college this fall. I could have started earlier, but I spent the last 2 and a half years traveling and living it up. I'd suggest, for anyone that can, homeschool. Even better... get like 5 of your friends to do it with you. We would go to the beach, stay in my parents' condo, party, and actually get more school work done in between than our friends in public school. - DarkLance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6oh, and all you whiners complaining about getting home after dark? What are you 90 years old or something? Afraid of the Dark? We have this amazing invention, called light. Be it from candle or halogen bulb.
- atom14x7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here in England secondary school doesn't start 'till about 9.00, usually. And it works - at my school at least, it's very rare to see someone nodding off in class... I can't see how people can claim that teenagers will just go to bed later if they're allowed to sleep in longer, but are already short on sleep
- sc0ticus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8The posters description was horrible. Isn't digg supposed to be a news source? Why the biased summary?
Is there some inane sarcasm I'm not getting? This isn't fark. - KanosWRX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I used to have High School at 7:30 am. It was insane. I am not nor have ever been a morning person. And now that I have been in the work force for about 5 years I still am not, I don't start work until 10. I just don't function when the sun is not up high enough in the sky.
If this makes students work harder and be more alert I am all for it. The majority won't stay out later, parents won't let them, so I don't think there is anything to worry about there. Of course in some cases where parents don't care kids might stay out way to late, but that's the parents fault. - guyinthechair, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If it's that easy, why do they make it last four years then? It seems like you could get the entire thing handled in a matter of months.
I'm not sure, but many highschoolers STAY in high school so they WON'T be working in the construction industry. - lflorio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't see how people can correlate later class starting times in high school with a preference or affinity for working nights. My town's high school began at 7:25 every morning. Once I got to college, my earliest class was 11:30. If you really want to make people adjust to working a 9-5 job then force college kids to have class M-F from 9-5.
That would suck, though. I loved being able to stay up late and still get 7 hours of sleep in college. Besides, lots of people don't work 9-5 anymore. Either their jobs have flex time or they're working so much more than 40 hours a week that 9-5 has no meaning. - dotdan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The problem is that even though kids are getting up, they aren't alert enough to learn concepts such as homonyms and the like.
- swin101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4After-school sports programs should NOT be guiding education administrative decisions such as the school start time. What's more of a priority for parents, their child's learning process and retention of that learning or that a child's sports game ends at 5PM instead of 6PM? Pushing back the end of the school day also allows working parents to be home in time for their kids rather than having to plead with their boss to leave at 3 each day.
- jblanch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@AmandaW
My basketball team practices from 6-8, if you don't like it then you shouldn't be playing sports. end of argument.
its the most obvious flipping thing i've ever herd of to move school start times back. just like the idiots who start the SAT's at god damn 7:45 are SCREWING the kids who take the test. i know i personally was not awake EVEN THOUGH i had a good nights rest, it's still too early for our bioclocks and just our well being. i don't care if kids have jobs, you need to prepare for the SAT's and take the day out way ahead of time.. the dates are listed months in advance so it's your fault.
school is too early, but heck, it's not like they give a ***** if we do well in school anyways, all they care about is making money and making sure the dumbasses acctually make it through somehow (lowering standards *****) - sampson123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5School is supposed to be about learning. It's been repeatedly shown that shifting the day an hour later will be healthier and make a better learning environment for our teens. I can't imagine what kind of sick ***** would have a problem with that.
- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Here is my personal favorite solution for being up at some ungodly hour for school. Schedule your first class to be a weight training class. There is nothing like pumping iron at 7AM to get your blood flowing for the rest of the day. I did that for 3 of my high school years and I must say it made the time bareable.
- danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't know about that. I personally seem to get the most done from around 10:00am to 12:00pm. By 10:00, I've woken up and I'm focused. But around 12:00, I get hungry and can't really concentrate. I eat at 12:30, but then kinda have the after lunch relaxed vibe going until 1:30. An hour later, I'm getting restless and looking forward to getting home in just a few hours.
But that's just me. Your mileage may vary. - DarkLance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I think our Business Minded Culture needs to relax this ridiculous idea that things need to get done at ungodly hours of the morning. I, for one, think the time between 6AM and noon to be the worst part of the day. Besides being the coldest and gloomiest, it is far out of the cycle to be working at this time. The morning should be a time to wake up, feed and rest, much like our current evenings. From 12PM - 4AM seems to be the most productive and enjoyable time that most people have.
And enough with the stupid Daylight-Savings time. Can't we rid ourselves of these religious and colonial predilections? - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not only do we need to force everyone under 18 to go to school, we also need to make it as miserable as possible while they are there!
// sarcasm - FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Correct. If you don't have the self-discipline to go to be at a reasonable hour to get up at a reasonable time ti make it to school, then all that will happen is that your school will start later so you will sleep in, so you gravitate to going to be later, and you are back in the same position.
Then again, that sort of self-discpline and responsibility is part of being an adult, and I thought that was one of the lessons that high school was supposed ot be teaching...
As an adult, I've had jobs requiring me to be up at 4:00 and jobs allowing me to sleep until 9:00. All it takes is realizing that to be effective you have to be self-aware enough to make accomadations -
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