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- noPCtoday, on 10/14/2007, -23/+154I like men.
and this comment will be buried into oblivion, nobody will see it. - Albionshores, on 10/14/2007, -15/+128My initial reaction was the same - a teacher getting ideas above his station but once you sit down and read the article, well it starts to make sense.
It's really just a teacher saying you will know what is happening in my classroom. He sets up a blog and asks them to get involved, when one parent sent him a message saying "I don't need this today, I've got stuff to do." - that was fine. One parent opts to phoning him up instead. I think that's pretty cool - phone your kid's English teacher up once a week to have a 5 minute chat. There has to be consolation found in that if there was ever a problem at school you're only ever 5 days away from finding out. Simply put it keeps the channels of communication open and the parents rate him.
At least you know the guy gives a damn about your child's education. Well done Mr Frye. - Haohmaru, on 10/14/2007, -4/+71My daughters teacher gives her extra credit if her assignments get signed before they are turned in. So I get to see what she's up to.
- notthemama, on 10/14/2007, -22/+82It seems like a small step, but potentially in a bad direction. Teachers giving parents assignments. At what point does it become standard and parents have to do assignments or get fined? Parents are already getting fined if their kids cut class.
- DudleyInnocent, on 10/10/2007, -2/+58That's what you think.
- RadicalEdward, on 10/10/2007, -7/+56That seems like a much better idea than making the parents actually DO an assignment. They already had to go through school and now have to work. Why should they have to go to school twice? Not to mention why should the kid suffer if the parent doesn't keep up?
The idea of getting a small amount of EXTRA credit for having the paper signed makes a LOT more sense in my mind.
dugg. - paulrex, on 10/10/2007, -6/+47As a teacher for 32 years another one giving me homework would go down like a lead balloon at my place.
- silentdragoon, on 10/10/2007, -7/+42I can tell you from first-hand experience that the teacher's day is not 7.5 hrs long. I know a teacher who gets up at 5:30 in the morning and goes to bed at 10:00 at night, spends an hour at school before it starts, two hours after, and many hours a week at home. And 1/4 of the year on vacation? Please. First of all, it isn't really a good thing (no income for two months), and secondly, it's usually about two months, not three.
Moving on;
You say you want to spend time with your family that isn't revolved (?) around chores and meals. What better way to spend time with your kids than to get involved in their school work? It's not like you have to write pages and pages, and like it says in the article if you're too busy one day, then you don't have to do it. - saigumi, on 10/10/2007, -27/+49Well, I would pretty much have to tell my child that the teacher's move, while well intentioned, is idiotic. Sorry, between my day job, owning my stores, spending time with my family that isn't revolved around chores and meals and the base human need to sleep I don't have time to read Kafka and comment back to him.
Maybe he does because he spends 1/4 of the year on vacation and doesn't even put in a 9 hour day (most school contracts are 7 1/2 hours including lunch, most salary jobs are 8 hours with a mandatory unpaid 1 hour lunch), but I don't.
Helping my kids with their homework, no problem. Doing additional work on top of their homework, hell no. - souljaboytellem, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24hah you crazy teachers and your ideas about "lead balloons"
- lotsotech, on 10/10/2007, -4/+25Ultimately I don't want to be told what to do by somebody who doesn't sign my paychecks. I'm fully intending on being involved with my son's homework once he starts getting some, but it's up to me to decide to what extent. Teachers who do gimmicky things in this vein fail to realize that if all teachers did this kind of thing it would be completely overwhelming to parents. Let's say I have 2-3 kids and all their teachers decided I should be reading assignments and the like. Not to mention the reality that I probably have a comparable or higher degree than most high school teachers.
- deckard1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19Doesn't he realize that the reason parents drop their kids of at government day-camp is so that they don't have to be involved? ;)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Well thanks to Diggers being so harsh, your secret is now out.
- Lax32, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17So you punish kids for having bad parents? And award kids for having good parents?
- DustPuppySnr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16I hope the teachers force the parents when they get to the chapter on their vs there.
- nobeastsofierce, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13OR: he was talking about the comment, which would make more sense, as it was that he agreei with. I suggest yours is the needless post. As, by inference, is mine I guess
Buried - founderofpork, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11It's not a bad idea necessarily... But I can say, with 100% certainty, that I would refuse to do it. When I'm done with school I AM DONE WITH ***** SCHOOL. I fully intend to be active in my child's education, and I don't need to be forced with assignments that I've done twenty times over in my 20+ years of formal education.
- inigomntoya, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I would like the idea if the kids were told to teach a math concept to their parents - teaching something yourself helps you learn.
As a parent - I am pretty dang busy as it is. I am all about helping out when someone gets stuck or doesn't understand a concept - but taking 2 hours of my day to sit and do homework for a class I am not taking? That kind of steps over the border for me... - foofightrs777, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13rtfa ...or maybe you were so busy you decided to comment on just the headline.
- giskard88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9you don't feel insulted having the manner in which you're involved dictated to you?
- intense321, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11This might be ok for 4th grade... But for 9th grade? If your child is not responsible by 9th grade you've already screwed up.
- spurtle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Extra credit? When I was in school, I got a big fat zero if my homework wasn't signed.
- Blisshead, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17I think it's well meaning but steps over the line. Teachers already overstep the authority given them re: the kids home life. The signing idea makes sense though.
- SocialPoison, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I'll never fully understand that phenomenon.
- MoonDogAFO, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11I realize this guy came up with the idea with the best of intentions but come ON! It isn't my fault that there are inattentive parents out there screwing up their childrens lives. And yes, I did read the article and realize that the student's overall grade is not affected if he is forced to knock points off an assignment. It is the principle of the matter. How about I tell him that, in order for him to get a Satisfactory performance review, he will need his Mommy or Daddy (or wife or life-partner) to come to my home and run the grass trimmer for 10 minutes? Or do our dishes? If he doesn't do it, then I will check a box stating that he didn't perform to expectation, but that wouldn't be enough to fire him or keep him from tenure. Let me tell you what would happen...the NEA or whatever organized teacher labor group represents him would come down on me like the Avenging Hand of God. Here is the bottom line: show me the clause in this teacher's contract that states that he is responsible for teaching, grading, or otherwise assigning work to non-enrolled adults. He should be told to stop, regardless of its minimal impact on overall student grades. It is invasive and improper.
- GOVStooge, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Now if we can just get the schools to teach again instead of cram for the asinine standardized tests that have become the basis for school funding.
- NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Sounds like the way the gov't issues federal aid to school districts.
- Rustbelt, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Great idea, bad execution. He should reward students whose parents get involved, not punish those who don't.
- WilliamDavis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Same diff, really. Besides, students whose parents are involved are already rewarded.
- mahdaeng, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8There is absolutely no reason that a child should get extra credit for his parent's signature. That rewards him for something other than his own performance.
- mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8The school district I work for gives teachers 80 hrs vacation time plus personal leave time on top of the (unpaid) time off they get during the summer, so I don't know where you get the idea that teachers only get one or two days off a year. That's lunacy.
- heartcoldfusion, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9It's a noble idea, but just because it's noble doesn't mean it's right (or legal). While it's true that most parents probably aren't involved enough in their children's schoolwork, who the ***** is this guy to tell them how to raise their kids? And who decides how much involvement is enough?
- MaliciousKitty, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Oh heck no. I understand getting parents involved but not giving them homework. The parents are going to work and paying the bills - they don't want to get home from work only to do more work.
And the kid's grade shouldn't be affected AT ALL. It's not THEIR fault if the parents don't do it. And parents not doing homework doesn't mean the kid doesn't know it - so they shouldn't lose ANY points. None, at all.
If I had a kid I would be involved in their life, but I sure as hell would not be doing homework. - nightsweat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7NEW STORY - Parents require teacher to finish their TPS report for monthly status meeting, threaten to cut school budget if he doesn't comply.
And next week, I'll want this teacher to do my 2008 budget forecasts and staffing reports. - flipcritic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Dugg just for being funny (and yes I'm a parent).
- WilliamDavis, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I'm fully capable of knowing what my kids are doing in school, without turning in homework for their teacher, or without making up excuses for their teacher.
- bonked, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Wait, you just said that most jobs get 10-30 days of vacation... but teachers get 45 days less work, and they have the opportunity to go the extra mile and do things like summer school, etc. to make even more money. Oh, and find me another job that requires basically an act of God to get fired from after your first 5 years. Remember how the NEA went after Steve Jobs because he suggested that if you, as a teacher, perform badly, you should be fired, and if you excel you get rewarded - it works in every other work place, why not in the educational field?
And if you know a teacher that works from 5:30A-10P, I would suggest you buy him or her a book on time management he or she will have at least a month and a half off to read it. - sexybobo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5My mom is a Teachers assistant in Missouri and she does get a paycheck once a month all year long. Also if you are a teacher you can always work summer school to get extra money on top of that. So yes in the USA teachers do get paid while they are on vacation.
- Herostratos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What about giving credit for - you know - actually knowing the stuff?
- downer06, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6So i do believe a basic education is needed for children and that the parents should be involved. On the other hand when i was younger my mother was supporting me and my brother while my father was very sick in the hospital. She Didn't have the time to get involved in my education for two years due to that. She would come home at midnight and leave at 6 am to keep the house she worked so hard to build and to pay some of the doctors that took care of my father for 2 years. So now you are telling me all the family's that are struggling should have there children punished because that parents are trying to provide for them. I know when i was 14 if that had happened i would have walked out of that class and never came back due to the fact i wouldn't ask my mother to stay awake another minute because she would come home so exhausted. This teacher should think of another way. P.S. My brother is now a teacher. Also my mother graduated high school in the 50's where she didn't have hard classes because at that time women didn't go to school and where supposed to get married and stay at home. My homework I hate to say in High School was to hard for her.
- Frei, on 10/10/2007, -7/+12I wonder how keen the teacher would be about grocery shopping for the family, or maybe helping with the mortgage.
- mrgreen4242, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Or instead of wasting 30 minutes doing some trivial homework assignment you could spend some time doing some WITH your kids... like play a sport, play a video game (together), just plain old talk, etc. Most parents are already swamped. They work full time, have a home to upkeep (cooking, cleaning, home repairs, etc), many are also already students pursuing graduate degrees or completing undergrad work, etc.
This sort of thing is taking time AWAY from parent/child relationships. I hope some kid gets marked down a grade, ruining his 4.0, or making him fail the class, etc, so the parents can sue the teacher and the school and get this ass-clown fired. - random12345, on 11/16/2008, -4/+9Sooooo what about the parents that works 60 hour work weeks to keep their child alive? Or the parent that doesn't even know how to read? Or the downright ***** up parent? If the parent has time to be doing homework, I doubt they're the type of parent that neglects their child anyway. Frye isn't changing the world, and is just one of those attention getting high school teachers that thinks hes going to have a movie made out of him someday. Take him from the middle/upper class suburbia high school and put him in the middle of Harlem... if his little stunt works there, THEN hes accomplished something.
- nightsweat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You're better off augmenting your child's education by covering areas the schools won't cover (like, history and politics and basic economics) than by reinforcing the areas they do teach.
- digghasnoethics, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Dumb.
I'd take him seriously after he'd got a passing grade in my paper for him to take - entitled "Teacher competence and justification for dumb ideas". Seems he's forgotten who's employing whom here, not least of which is the threat to mismark student papers. - noumuon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5except doing high school level material isn't academically challenging (or shouldn't be) to someone who was already gone through college level material. i've written enough pointless papers in my life that i don't need to be doing high school material over again. i have more important things to do with my time than write an essay on "the scarlet letter" or some such nonsense.
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