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- Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -27/+163Not all religious people are evil, but most evil people are religious.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -17/+97They all died. Someone said that they don't have a problem with God, they just have a problem with his fanboys.
The problem with organised religion is that people tend to go to the extremes. Or perhaps that's just the problem with people, instead of religion. - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -13/+90Zealots tend to be dangerous. Whatever became of the "humble saint" model?
- faulkner, on 10/12/2007, -16/+87respecting something doesn't mean we can't point out its fallacies.
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53They still exist but since they are humble they don't care about being in the limelight and since they are humber the media thinks they are boring and their stories are not worth telling.
- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -25/+72it is beyond insanity that only 40% of americans believe in evolution
i'm living in a nation of idiots - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Highest divorce rate in america is in the highly-religious South.
- JonisJon, on 10/12/2007, -20/+55I have to say that this really does not surprise me at all. It just seems to make sense that the soceities with enough common sense to defer organized religion would have enough common sense not to purtake in uslesss violence.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37I wonder how long it'll take before this article gets marked as inaccurate, or lame. More and more people on Digg are using those options to express their dislike for the subject matter, instead of just not digging the damn thing.
- ChrisSennRox, on 10/12/2007, -10/+43acknowledge i am elvis or you are not respecting my beliefs.
if i believe i'm elvis i'm delusional. if 10 people believe i'm elvis its a cult. if 10,000 believe it, its a religion - john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -13/+46"Most evil people are religious"
"Yeah! Like Hitler, Chariman Mao, Stalin, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il...oh....wait...nevermind"
Hitler actually was a Christian. - JonisJon, on 10/12/2007, -13/+43There is nothing not showing respect to anyone belief systems in this article. It a scientific study... it just looks at the correlation between beleifs and unwated activites such as violence and teen pregenancy. How in the world does this "disrespect" someone's belief system?
Besides, atheist's rarely look for "converts". Pushing someone's religion on another is a generally organized religion (specicially christian and muslim) trait, not atheist. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=10961
(Source for the South having highest divorce rate) - jayhawk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30regarding deweyhenson's post:
In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:
Quote:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - JonisJon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26This is true, people should not be burying a story because they disagree. I tend to digg some stories that I disagree with because I like the conversation that it starts, or that it is at least interesting. Inless something is really bad, people should just not digg something if they don't like it.
- CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -27/+48I love how they leave out the People Repubic of China and Russia, both huge secular countries, and all the problems they have; instead they focus on small easily manageable countries with little world influence.
The only representative example they had was Japan and their lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy could far more likely be the result of their xenophobic tendencies. But even still if you look back in history a little you see that even Japan is not an ideal example because they killed Chinese, Koreans, Philippinos and ect... in the millions!
I don't have anything against atheist but take your shaky logic to the fox news channel where it belongs. - Silentshadow900, on 10/12/2007, -14/+34Come on God, believe in yourself! You can do it!
- wheremyarm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23You mean like how "Thou shalt not kill" stopped them from killing during the crusades? And for the record, the Catholic church endorsed the Nazi party.
- Drealoth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20There are really two types of Christians.
The first kind, and I think the most common are those who view Jesus as their role model. They see this great guy who stood up for humanity in a time of need, and they want to follow in his footsteps even a little bit, and I think that's an admirable thing to do.
Then you have the vocal fundamentalists who use the Bible as an excuse for ignorance. They see it, they pick out the lines that suit their agenda and exploit it from there. In spite of what you might think, these are still fortunately a minority.
It's unfortunate that these two very separate groups of people share the same name, but they are far from the same thing. People would do good to remember that.
/Atheist. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Thats not true. Even Satan believes in God.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19It was the Pharisees that killed Jesus. He opposed them because they were to focused on rules and Dogma, Jesus was all about the heart and spirit of things. Most organized religion promote a focus on rules, and thus leads to their own demise.
- richhuang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Although morbid, there is nothing wrong with suicides. An individual have the right to end one's own life.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24A monotheistic god who isn't an atheist is either a fraud or simply lacks self-esteem. (would you believe in a god who lacked self-esteem?)
The more likely reality is that "God" doesn't believe in anything particular because it is a construct of man. - ChrisSennRox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16ya cause thou shalt not killed has worked so well in every other society....
and the nazi's anti-semitism came from christianity's anti semitism through out the middle ages and in the catholic church at the time; that is the secular raacism and anti-semitism came from the religious antisemitism. read the history; hitler, who was a catholic, thought he had the blessing of the vatican. - kp3469, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17if God were an atheist does that mean He wouldn't believe in Himself? or that He wouldn't believe in an even Higher Power than Him?
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22If any religion is true, then it is imperative that its followers are incredibly zealous. Think about Christianity; if our immortal souls are really the only thing that matters, then there is absolutely no reason not to follow every word in the bible literally. That's a terrifying prospect.
- UsernameTaken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I don't see any problem with "evangelizing" on the use of common sense and rational thinking, instead of programming people to believe in delusions. I kind of understand that little kids can be tricked into believing there's a Santa Claus and a tooth fairy, but once you're an adult you should start to think by yourself and to examine if it makes sense to believe in something that someone else told you is "the truth", notwithstanding what reality has to offer.
If you continue to hold on to myths that bring you comfort, I don't see why should I respect that. I understand it and let you have it, as long as you're not doing any harm, but respect is not something instilled by such a choice. Especially at a time when the adverse consequences of religious beliefs are popping up all over the place. - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Of course! Why would ending one's life be a terrible thing? It's your life. Of course the Church says it's a sin, but apparently the Japanese aren't concerned with what some church has to say.
- mhockey14221, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14As a Christian, I think God would have NO religion... he/she/it doesn't need to believe in something that he KNOWS exists.
Or, since he/she/it is infinite and beyond human comprehension, who knows what he/she/it really is - thesymposium, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23Is religion really such a good thing? There's been a raging debate on religion/society on a BBS (remember those?) I log into (ssh bbs@uncensored.citadel.org or point your browser to the URL for their web interface). The "more enlightened" societies also tend to be better educated.
America seems to be one of the few nations that either wants to stagnate, or regress, as opposed to progress. - wheremyarm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14intellect:
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1. The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.
2. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly. - MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15"God would be an atheist"
That's probably the best headline I've read in a while. - DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I care not what your belief system is nor what you call it. I do care if your belief system demands that it is the one true way and that all that do not share your belief system are evil, subhuman and not worth their life unless they believe as you believe. If your belief system includes that perversion then I will fight you and your belief system with every tool at my disposal.
- kozie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Just like you did right there...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11invalid point. That would also mean that the Bill of Rights has to share blame for crime. It gives criminals many rights not afforded to them in other countries. Also the second Amendment effectively gives us the right to own weapons of any kind.
- poipoipoi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10when's the last time someone killed in Santa's name?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Anyone who gets there religious advice from rotten.com needs to go to a mental hospital.
- JonisJon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11The difference there however is that the problem was with the GOVERNMENTS not the soceities. The useless killing was being done by the government not the general people, and if you are talking about secular governments the U.S government is SECULAR (in theory at least) so that argument holds no water.
- kp3469, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11yeah, i don't care for that tactic either. i'd be nice if they just used a similar system for articles as they use for comments: thumbs up or down. also add a feature to sort articles by the digg/anti-digg ratio would be cool too.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Most "scientific studies" aren't, and this one doesn't seem to be an exception. What does it mean by a "secular society for example? Even the Communist countries couldn't eradicate religion completely and the Soviet Union is gone now.
The title of the article continues from the Digg version to say "Why can't we all be Japanese?"
I guess the Shinto religion is a figment of my imagination, or maybe Japan has completely eradicated it and the temples are pure, unadulterated tourist traps.
Quick! Fix the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan#Religion
which says:
Confucianism, or even Taoism, tends to serve as the basis for the moral code. 84% of Japanese people profess to believe both Shinto (the indigenous religion of Japan) and Buddhism. - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I don't have a link, but all the statistics I've heard for the United States indicate that there is no statistical difference in the divorce rate between churched and unchurched people. This is likely because the majority of "Christians" think that Christianity is about filling a pew on Sunday mornings and maybe avoiding certain types of people. I've seen a number of atheists with a much keener knowledge of the true Christian message than many people who refer to themselves as Christians. A sad fact, but a fact nonetheless...
- Bobwise, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Someone up there ^^ pointed out that the upside of religion is that it gives us a common moral starting point. But I would argue that every person is born with an inherent knowledge of right and wrong. "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't need to be written down to make it applicable to mankind. We are all born with a conscience that is influenced by our upbringing and experiences, but at some point in our lives we are all faced with a situation in which we can either make the right choice or the wrong choice, and we fully know which is which. We all instinctively know that a selfish act is harmful to those around us, while a selfless act will help everyone.
Given the choice, I think most if not all people would choose to live in a society ruled by peace and freedom, not by selfishness - regardless of any religious bias. - hotbustyteen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7God. The ultimate debatable topic.
- tybris, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17and the nonsense of the day award goes to...
"Not all religious people are evil, but most evil people are religious."
evil people are not religious... they create and use religion - kp3469, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@heavensblade: source for your assertion?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The nature of crime is a whole lot more complex than just the beliefs of a nations citizenry. There is a multitude of demographics and societal reasons why a person would commit murder. To generalize that religion is the cause of violent crime is an ignorant thing to say.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So, if mankind nukes the planet to the point of sterilization, it is a failure of evolution? Humans do severe damage due to our large numbers and our non-natural lifestyles. Few species dig up carbon, aluminum, fluoride and mercury and spew those elements over the surface of the earth. Most evolutionists understand that virtually all life have certain needs in common, like moderate climate, fresh clean water and abundant safe food supplies.
Remove all the water and life ends on earth, evolution has nothing to do with it. The story's study makes clear that the most religious are not always the most ethical. Why is that true?
I noticed that many women of a particular cultural and religious group were totally against birth control. It was against their beliefs, but they were more than willing to fornicate. I am sure their faith had negative views of fornication. I never did understand that completely. It seemed a bit nuts to me. How could god forgive them for bringing a child into the world without a complete family, but punish them for preventing a pregnancy when they fall to the temptations of the flesh. Especially, when the whole issue of birth control would be unnecessary, if they would just stop humping like bunnies. - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7As one of my favorite bumper stickers says: "I've got nothing against God. It's his fan club I can't stand."
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9""God would be an atheist" is the title of this post and you're bitching that Diggers shouldn't be burying this story?"
If you want to call something inaccurate because of a sensationalist title (and that's all it is), you'd have to bury nearly 95% of the stories submitted to Digg. Or printed in newspapers, magazines, on TV, etc.
This is just my opinion, but I really doubt the title has anything to do with the story being marked inaccurate. I'm sure it takes a lot of votes for that to happen, and I'm sure a good majority of those votes came from people who simply didn't like the subject matter. That's been the status quo on Digg for at least a month now. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Not that I dispute his findings, but what would you expect an article posted on a humanist website to say?
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