diggboss- Surferess, on 07/17/2008, -27/+29Or you can just have the baby, give up the next 20 years of your life. After all, why should a woman be able to chose what she wants for her life? That is just for the men. Women are supposed to make babies, food and service the men.
BTW you don't have arms and legs in the first trimester. You need to make a decision about abortion in the first 3 months. Sorry, but abortion beats forced baby making any day. It is a woman's right to chose. This kind of fear mongering isn't healthy for the society, and if you think abortion surgery is gross, you should see lipo!- diggboss, on 07/17/2008, -0/+20I guess you got it all wrong, this ads talks about Female Feticide in 3rd world countries like India, where a girl child is aborted because girls are thought to be a liability.
- Surferess, on 07/17/2008, -1/+11I am sorry DB. I think you may have hit too close to a nerve there. Sorry, I went off like that! In retrospect, I was thinking it was a bit ferocious of me. I am a lot calmer now and promise to take a deep breath next time before I hit that submit button, ok? You would never know it, but I gave up an extremely promising career in music to raise kids.
- diggboss, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Surferess, no worries, i am pro-life myself.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1If only all of the conversations that take place in the comments section could be this mature and calm...
- jbenson2, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9India is going to end up with the same problem as China: millions of excess males who have zero chance of ever getting a mate.
What do you think will happen to a society that encourage this sort of bizarre behavior?- AmyVernon, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5I have a friend from India and she told me it's actually illegal there for doctors to tell women the sex of their baby.
- srujanlive, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Yes it is. But it cannot be thoroughly implemented. It is really a very bad societal problem in India. The root cause of all this is the dowry which is still rampant in India and which never goes away despite education. That combined with the fact that people in poverty believe a boy would earn money for them while a girl would just be a burden has driven the sex ratio to nearly 900 females for every 1000 males in some states. Considering the population in India that is a very large difference that doesn't look to be changing for the better in the near or the farther future. It surely is India's Biggest problem with no solution in sight and with badly implementable regulations like the one above making no difference at all.
- Bluemotion, on 07/17/2008, -3/+7surferess, i think the ad is trying to increase awareness. its NOT asking you to give advise.
- burchie2, on 07/17/2008, -2/+13Contraception and Adoption. Not abortion.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Nice comment. Unfortunately, this issue is way to complex and gray for your short comment to really hold ground.
Rape? Contraceptive failure? More kids waiting for adoption then families willing to take them?
I'm not saying you're incorrect, necessarily, just over simplifying it.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Nice comment. Unfortunately, this issue is way to complex and gray for your short comment to really hold ground.
- DeathWish808, on 07/17/2008, -1/+6"That is just for the men. Women are supposed to make babies, food and service the men. " Why, yes! Yes, you are correct. Food and "servicing" being the 2 favorites. Also, make sure you are completely quiet and do not interrupt! LOL. I'm sure someone will take this seriously even with this sentence tacked on.
- btschul, on 07/17/2008, -10/+8"A woman's right to choose" is such *****. You don't have the right to choose murder. You can choose to do whatever you want with your body, but you can't "choose" to do whatever you want to your baby's body. It makes me sick every time someone says "Why are you against a woman's right to choose."
"Or you can just have the baby, give up the next 20 years of your life. After all, why should a woman be able to chose what she wants for her life? "
Yeah, a baby would be kind of inconvenient. Lets kill it! We have the right to choose, after all! Use a condom next time.- ABadPerson, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4Of course humans have a right to murder.
- Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -5/+7You're an idiot. I consider the baby's body to be *part* of the woman's body at least until 20ish weeks, since it has no hope of surviving on it's own outside of the womb (even with the best medical treatment available). Therefore, she should have complete control over what happens to it. If you like, we can start just performing c-sections on pregnant women that want abortions and hope for the best! The outcome for the baby wouldn't be any less severe even though you wouldn't be "doing whatever you want to your baby's body".
condoms can still result in pregnancy. They aren't 100% effective. - btschul, on 07/18/2008, -3/+3I'm an idiot because I don't think murder is any less wrong because the victim is a fetus? That's real adult. "You are an idiot because you don't agree with me." You are what is wrong with the world today.
- Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -4/+6No, you're an idiot because you don't see how a fetus is part of the mother's body AND because you think that condoms are magically more effective than they really are.
YOU are what is wrong with the world today because you think everyone should live their lives how YOU want them to. Grow up and realize that your opinion doesn't mean ***** and you have no right to tell someone what they can and can't do with their own body. - AROZ, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2You talk about being "adult" but then proceed to insult the person with that last line. And it is quite the insult.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2Anyone else agree with both of them? I do.
Abortion is a complicated issue. It is -not- black and white. Both sides have extremely legitimate arguments. How about debating it in a manner that might actually produce results and be willing to stretch out your brain a bit and consider the other side. Neither of you is an "idiot". I'd bet, without the internet as your shield, if you guys actually met in person, you'd both turn out to be smart individuals who would have a conversation on abortion that would be really deep. Why do you let the internet turn your arguments into what we see here? - bobbi21, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1Because people feel all big and manly when they get to yell at people and curse at them. While if you do that in person you're more likely to get hit across the head. I think it's pretty futile to suggest civility on the internet but I, for one, do appreciate the attempt. so kudo's to you for that.
Just a comment about the "part of a woman's body" thing though. Not being able to survive without something else isn't exactly the best definition for "part of". Best analogy for a fetus would be a parasite. If you were infected with some tapeworm would you call it "part of your body" because it couldn't survive outside of it? I doubt that. Humans couldn't survive outside of an atmosphere but I wouldn't consider us part of the atmosphere either. You could say the same for newborns. A newborn would die of dehydration in a couple days without a parent. (Not exactly within the mom at that point but we're discussing the survivability point here)
To take the parasite analogy further, you could argue that a woman has the right to remove any parasite from her body. That I believe is a more legitimate argument. The big debate is whether a fetus has the rights we give to newborns and other non-wombed people. If we say they do, then purposely depriving a child of food and shelter can be considered neglect/murder. If we say they don't then it's just the removal of a tapeworm.
human (or I guess potential human) or tapeworm. that's what really has to be argued and I don't know how to come to a resolution to that which would satisfy all sides.
The only other comment I'd give is that if we consider it a tapeworm, when does it become a human/potential human? That'll be another very icky subject.
- coldfact, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9Read the f'ing ad before jumping on your abortion high-horse. It's about female feticide, ffs. Pathetic.
- staffa, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5Life does not begin during the 2nd trimester, it does how ever end when ever you end it.
Also, 21 weeks is not the first trimester. - bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6BTW you don't have arms and legs in the first trimester. You need to make a decision about abortion in the first 3 months. Sorry, but abortion beats forced baby making any day. It is a woman's right to chose. This kind of fear mongering isn't healthy for the society, and if you think abortion surgery is gross, you should see lipo!
Uh, wrong and wrong. You have arms and legs starting to grow after a month. And they're pretty much fully formed at 2 months. By 3 months they have a brain and heart and genitals. And there is no law about when you can have abortions actually in the states. It was like 12% of abortions are after the 1st trimester I think although I'll have to check.
Check your facts. seriously. Where do you learn this stuff? Or are you intentionally lying to try and prove your point.
BTW, lipo isn't THAT gross. You stick a tube in someone, wiggle it around and suck out a yellow greasy mess. Seeing parts of limbs and a face coming out of a womans vagina is more gross to me. Now if you want gross, you should look at face lifts - you literally rip someones face off so you see all the musculature below it, pull it back and staple it - and hair transplants - 500 holes in your head the size of pencil erasers before the hair is implants. Now THAT's gross. - spacerobot, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5yeah, because aren't families waiting to adopt or anything.
- Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4yeah because there aren't tons of children already waiting to be adopted or anything.
- WestonP, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5Well, this isn't really about the general topic of the "right" to have an abortion, but since you were so eager to bring it up, we might as well talk about it...
I agree with you that there wouldn't be many options if someone were so careless that they found themself in the position of expecting a child that they couldn't, or simply didn't want to, support. I mean, how could someone give it up for adoption and live the rest of their life knowing that they had a kid somewhere out there that they turned my back on? The only thing sadder and more guilt-ridden than that would be... abortion, where you cross the point of no return and stop a beating human heart, just because it's inconvenient for you. How extremely selfish and disgusting. There are plenty of people who can't have kids and want to adopt... do the right thing and help them out, while also saving a life. - siszam, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4Murder isn't a choice. A choice is deciding to to keep your legs closed or deal with the consequences like a decent person instead of casual murderer.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Rape, contraceptive failure, etc.
A high school girl who got raped by her father would hardly be a "casual murderer"
I'm undecided on abortion. But arguments like this are hateful and unproductive. All you managed to do is put any pro-choice reader on the defensive, immediately closing them off from your viewpoint. Try something less aggressive next time.
- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Rape, contraceptive failure, etc.
- diggboss, on 07/17/2008, -0/+20I guess you got it all wrong, this ads talks about Female Feticide in 3rd world countries like India, where a girl child is aborted because girls are thought to be a liability.
- Tribunis, on 07/17/2008, -3/+32That's just wrong.
Especially the reassurance that "it doesn't feel anything"- badwithcomputer, on 07/17/2008, -3/+6If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
- swordedge, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5perfect description of partial birth abortion, thus why they try to outlaw it.
It's a child, not a choice
- kaeves, on 07/17/2008, -15/+21Abortion in any form is a hideous thing and it is shameful that "developed" and "humanitarian" cultures practice it. Nobody has the right to choose murder.
- eatbeast, on 07/17/2008, -7/+5not murder. i reject your frame
- WestonP, on 07/18/2008, -7/+7Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to argue against the pro-abortion people, simply because someone that far gone cannot be reasoned with. How could I possibly relate to someone who thinks that such a disgusting and selfish act against humanity is not only acceptable, but a "right"!?
- andthestoryends, on 07/17/2008, -3/+14was not expecting that amount of detail...
wow - BuzzDiggity, on 07/17/2008, -3/+20It's truly unfortunate that this sort of thing still goes in today's world - a boy, a girl, what does it matter? all human beings.
- Shaggy63, on 07/17/2008, -3/+14That is just ***** sick. Time to stop reading Digg during lunch.
- rtknox00, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13So sad :(
- louiebaur, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12Man that is sad but true
- feureau, on 07/17/2008, -3/+6Why don't you just shoot the thing while it's still inside and get it over with!
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[SATIRE] - num3thod, on 07/17/2008, -3/+5Bloody hell! I don't know if I would call that ad "moving".
- aptanalogy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I don't know, I think I just felt *something* lurch inside of me...
- annjay, on 07/17/2008, -1/+8Sad
- casspa, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6I've lost my appetite.
- Beastmasta, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Do you eat babies?
- psogle, on 07/17/2008, -1/+10I am physically ill after reading this.
- burchie2, on 07/17/2008, -11/+15Abortion=Feticide=Murder, it really doesn't matter what the reason is, the results are the same. Is there a difference between randomly killing someone, or killing them because they are cheating on you? One might seem more justified than the other, but ultimately they are both wrong.
Contraception and Adoption, not Abortion.- eatbeast, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3what is up with this right wing tilt at the beginning of stories?
a wave of progressive diggers is going to reorient all the status of comments in approximately one day - ABadPerson, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2of course there is a difference, and murder being the wrong thing to do never stop anyone from doing it.
Lets try to end wars first shall we?- siszam, on 07/18/2008, -2/+1Why not work to end all killing? We CAN do both at the same time.
- GregFD3S, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1If a fetus is a person from conception, then why is it not counted in the census?
Because its not a person yet, its a fetus.
- eatbeast, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3what is up with this right wing tilt at the beginning of stories?
- Hiji, on 07/17/2008, -4/+23Dude, I cannot wait to see The Dark Knight in Imax tonight!!! w00t
- aptanalogy, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12This guy has his priorities straight.
- Waaaaalt, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6You raise a fine point. Not getting laid is a very effective contraceptive.
- Xazos, on 07/17/2008, -7/+2Very sad, why would a culture based on a major religion condemn such a thing? Obviously shows that religion is the root of all evil. Abortion in general is stark, blatant murder, in my opinion. Open to debate.
- bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1? The most secular countries in the world allow abortion too... I don't get how theres any correlation. And i'm pretty sure most religions are against murder... If anything, it's the secularization that a fetus isn't a person with a soul and all that, that causes the option of abortion to come up. And, if anything, most traditional religions are fairly misogynistic and would be MORE opposed to a "woman's right to chose". And you do know that
people == their countries most popular religion right?
I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not actually since your post doesn't make much sense to me. - crowbar77, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1Sure religion causes problems, but ask yourself what would it be like without it? Our society (including our laws) are largely based off christian teachings, without them imo we would be much worse off.
- bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1? The most secular countries in the world allow abortion too... I don't get how theres any correlation. And i'm pretty sure most religions are against murder... If anything, it's the secularization that a fetus isn't a person with a soul and all that, that causes the option of abortion to come up. And, if anything, most traditional religions are fairly misogynistic and would be MORE opposed to a "woman's right to chose". And you do know that
- Overmind12812, on 07/17/2008, -5/+4Put yourself in that situation and see what you would do.
- sandersdamnit, on 07/17/2008, -3/+5i would use a coat hanger
- bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -3/+9uh.. i'll have a baby girl and love her, raise her, and hopefully she'll have a happy and healthy life. And if i really wanted a boy i'd try again after.
That was an easy question...
- CShultz, on 07/17/2008, -1/+8This is really an honest question: to those of you condemning this female feticide (but are for abortion, in general) - what makes this so different than just general feticide?
We all have strong emotions on these issues - I think there would be so much less animosity if we at least would TRY to understand each other...- Mazrin67, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Because our society is polarizing. Individuals like yourself, who seek compromise and understanding, are a rarity. Combine that with the anonymity of the internet (and the resulting tendency in aggression) and you get this comment section.
- coboman, on 07/17/2008, -4/+321 weeks is more than 5 months. That is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. It is a human being capable of self sustained life, and no longer a part of a woman´s privacy.
Want to stop that ? Change the law. In countries where children´s last name must be that of the father, and the law gives privilege to men´s properties, this kind of action is not vanity. It is necessity.- bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6uh. no no and no
1. pretty much every dictionary in the world says a fetus is a fetus til it's born
2. It is not capable of self sustained life. a 5 to 6 month old will die out of a woman 99.99% of the time. a 7-8 month old needs at least an incubator and surfactants to survive.
3. It is mainly vanity. What the parents care about is their nato me being attached their property. If they have a daughter (who will 99% of the time marry some guy) the property will just go to the husband. If people are mad that their daughter has no say in the property thats a matter of women's rights and not children's last names. They just want their property to still be "in the family" which is all about vanity.
- bobbi21, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6uh. no no and no
- raeshao, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2Adblocked. And after reading some comments, I don't think I'm going to fire up the other browser.
- bixby1, on 07/18/2008, -0/+12just about the saddest thing I've read in a while. dugg for sadness.
- HuskyPuzzle, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5Dugg for making me want to vomit. Sad that people have to resort to this.
- WestonP, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6Stuff like this makes me deeply ashamed of the human race.
- starskii, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6Makes people think a little differently...
- ToeCracker, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5Wow . . . is all I can say and yes, it's bloody sickening.
- sumeetg, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1This isn't an accurate description of how that procedure is done.
- ccm1120, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1Well that just killed any happiness that I had after having watched a girl get a 1 punch knock-out.
- ekday, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1ignoring numbers 1-6, number seven is really funny.
- ScottMcIntyre, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Very graphic and disturbing.
- JackDarkholer, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Dugg, thanks for sharing
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