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- atari77, on 10/11/2007, -49/+248I think they have to do this kind of stuff to protect their trademark. I think we all can agree that generally diggnation is quite fan friendly. I am interested to see what they have to say though.
- jspegele, on 10/27/2007, -22/+170You seem to think that Digg and Revision3 are providing a public service. They're not. They're businesses looking to make money. As for being so pissed about Kevin Rose changing his xbox live id . . . stalk much?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+160Okay fans. You're missing the key point in this article. I don't watch Diggnation, but from the article:
One fan makes a particularly interesting point: “Sorry, but I have a problem with anyone from Rev3 saying that we shouldn't download it early from [site name removed] when there are probably 10 or more episodes of Alex and Kevin clearly stating they have downloaded and do download stuff illegally...” - colinwilson, on 10/11/2007, -46/+129Rev3 would be idiots to not shut down a site that lets people get something they want you to pay for for free. If you don't want to pay just wait the few extra days!
- ArthurSucks, on 10/11/2007, -6/+88They'd better remove the Creative Commons logo off their page if they want to keep this up.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -20/+96http://digg.jerrcs.net:8080/mirror/
- wop4life, on 10/11/2007, -39/+105I'm sure they are just doing this to protect their trademark. They know as well as anyone that you can't stop piracy. They know that no matter what they do if people want to watch the show for free they will find a way. Also remember, THEY DON'T CHARGE TO WATCH DIGGNATION. People who DONATE get to watch the episode a couple days early as a thank you for the support. They still give the show away for free to all you ungrateful *****. I'm a paying member of revision3 and I probably have only watched and episode early once or twice. I am a member because I want to support them, not so I get the content a day early or whatever. This is just something that they have to do to protect themselves. None of you can honestly believe that Kevin thinks he can stop the show from getting out early or is even trying to really stop it. This is about protecting their corporate identity not about getting their FREE show a day or two early.
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -8/+71I understand where they are coming from and why they are doing it. But this means mixed signals for users. You can't tell people you download stuff illegally and then get pissed when people steal your content. How does that make sense?
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/27/2007, -30/+92Hypocrisy at its best.
- GabeDiaz, on 11/27/2008, -10/+71I don't see diggdown as doing illegal activity.
Let us now forget:
revision3 also distributes a great channel called: http://revision3.com/thebroken
In which you watch Kevin Rose along with his sidekick "give a step-by-step process on how to hack the Xbox 360 to create backups of all your games!"
So let see...hosting a video podcast when he has access to it versus showing the internet how to crack your xbox and make illegal copies.
Rev3 should get their heads out of their asses and enjoy the distribution because the people who download it early are in no ways going to pay for it. - jcounterman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+62They would have made him change the name of his website (from "diggdown" to "iggdown") because of the trademark, but removing the content was all about copyrights, which you do not have to defend in order to keep.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+69hypocrisy is hypocrisy,whether it's kevin,or the riaa,or the mpaa,or microsoft,or whomever.
if you want to make excuses for some,and piss on others,that's fine by me,but it is what it is. - ScrumFritter, on 10/27/2007, -39/+96Dude, it's not even as if you never get to see it, they put it up, for free, a few days later. You're totally overreacting because you're too cheap to donate $5 a month, which is ***** NOTHING, so you can see a show you could see anyway, just a few days earlier.
DiggDown was putting up paid content early, which seems kind of lame to me. They deserve what they get. If he was really a Diggnation fan he wouldn't be hurting their donations by distributing stuff that wasn't his to distribute. - kevinrose, on 10/27/2007, -9/+65Couple points...
- We (digg) have to protect our trademark, or we lose it -- standard trademark law.
- RE: Downloading early. I told the folks at Rev3 (different company than Digg) my take on this. You can't stop piracy, ever.. nor should you try. All our thoughts coming in next weeks episode of diggnation. - noodlez, on 10/11/2007, -9/+60if you seriously think that the things you mention are major infractions or should be seriously considered "money grubbing tactics", you need to grow up.
who wouldn't want to dodge the thousands of invites he probably got on xbox live, or the harassment? if you don't like the beer fund, don't donate. tons of bloggers do the same, and not giving them money IS actually an option. and guess what? revision3 costs money to operate. they still provide the exact same free service, except they have an incentive program for people to give them a few bucks.
you're sounding like a highschooler who had their heart broken and is writing about it on their blog. perhaps some poetry is in order? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+50Do any of the allofmp3.com conversations ring a bell?
Kevin: "Oh, but I don't think it's really illegal."
Alex: "Dude, your paying 99 cents for a whole album."
Kevin: "Yeah, but it still may be legal."
*****. Pure hypocrisy. - EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -7/+45Your URL violates Digg's trademark, please rename your folder.
- iashraf, on 10/11/2007, -3/+41I remember Kevin saying on Diggnation that he had no problem with diggdown.net (i may be remembering incorrectly).
Sure, go for the domain as it violates the digg trademark, but dont say you're cool with what the service is then go after the creator! - Nerfdude, on 10/11/2007, -11/+46love the show, but between subscriptions and the beer money website.. look, i'm not paying for it. i've been using diggdown for six months and love it, good luck striker!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+38The problem jcounterman, is that most users reading this are going to "go easy" on Kevin Rose because of Digg and the other great things he's done. He's a cool guy, don't get me wrong. But just because you're a fan doesn't mean you can overlook this hypocrisy.
Again, I understand that the situations are different, but the moral ***** is all the same. - sexybobo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37that is the only thing that bugs me about all of this. All Rev 3 videos are released under the creative commons license. and then their lawyers send out a cease and desist order because Iggdown is infringing on their copyrights. I guess what i am saying is they had to get him to change his name for trademark but if they are going to pretend to release their work under creative commons they need to shut up about copyright infringement. or just start releasing videos under full copyright.
- RadicalEdward, on 10/11/2007, -1/+32Am i wrong when i remember Kevin saying he didn't care if people redistributed the show back in like the first few episodes? I know Rev3's gonna want to know how many viewers their are for advertising purposes, but still.
- VtmnR, on 10/11/2007, -32/+623 days of waiting won't kill anybody; and for those that pay for the early preview, they deserve it since they help out this company much more than I do.
This really is just a conflict of patience for the user. Personally, I'd rather wait the few extra days a week to get my DiggNation, help Revision 3 by adding my number into their statistics for their sponsorships/advertising records, and be able to sleep at night. - nobody554, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32For me, its not about having to pay to see it, its about what one person mentioned in the rev3 forums:
“Sorry, but I have a problem with anyone from Rev3 saying that we shouldn't download it early from [site name removed] when there are probably 10 or more episodes of Alex and Kevin clearly stating they have downloaded and do download stuff illegally...”
Oh, and the fact that no one truly knows what the Creative Commons license for Diggnation is. - DeathonWheels, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27I thought the whole point of the Creative Commons license was that you were allowed to do stuff like this. I also just noticed that the creative commons logo on the Revision 3 page doesn't link to the version of the license they are using.
- GuyHitByTruck, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28Especially since Diggnation is released under the Creative Commons lisence. What kind of legal ground does Rev3 have to stand on demanding the site take down it's (now all of a sudden) copyrighted media?
- artofwar420, on 10/11/2007, -9/+34It's just ironic, that Kevin and Alex download tv shows, and even jokingly tell us they do it. Guess now they know how it feels to be downloaded. Kevin, Alex, you guys talk it but don't walk it.
- jcounterman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23While I agree with your sentiment, you are wrong about their need to protect their trademark, in this case. By removing content, they are upholding their copyrights, which they do NOT need to protect under the law. The only trademark issue here is the change from "diggdown" to "iggdown".
- tryferos, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24techer123, you sir are an idiot....
1. "said his xbox live id on the show and then just made a new id" - What, he has no right to privacy or the right to change his mind?
2. "Kevin and Alex started asking the fans for a beer fund donation" - This was because people were ALREADY sending beer to them in the mail. They set this up to make it easier for the fans who WANT to get them beer, and its cheaper for them because its just cash not shipping, and its less hassle overall.
3. "cease and desist letter to diggdown.net (now iggdown.net)" - the reasons for this have been discussed over and over, and the fact that you still dont understand is just sad. - herrshuster, on 10/11/2007, -9/+29Look #1: diggnation has to make some money somewhere
#2: BUT it's not from fans...it's from sponsors...and sponsors NEED to know how much attention they are getting. Downloading from Rev3 is the ONLY way they know how many views they are getting. Good show kevin - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+30Both Alex and Kevin have said MANY times that they pirate either mp3's or TV shows or Movies that they wont' want to see, in the older episodes. But when their stuff get pirated they turn in to little faggy bitches. " Nooo dont' download, our stuff... listen to us... pleeeeaaase. whhhaaaa whaaa boo hoo boo"
Doesn't Diggnation get like $10,000 per sponcor , per episode anyways???
Lets not forget about all those people who are giving them money via their give us beer money website. - NSMike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Very, very true. If you'll recall, Kevin said a few weeks back that people who are redistributing it were screwing up their sponsorships because they can't get an accurate count of who is watching. Well, you know, the incentive program of early downloads is what enables the problem to occur. Regardless of whether or not you think you SHOULD be able to get the early release without paying, people WILL redistribute it. So, the best way is to just ask for donations and eliminate the early release. Remove the means for it and you eliminate the problem.
What Kevin has to weigh is how many people he thinks he'd lose by eliminating the incentive for donating. - kewlrichie, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e195/kamikaze_puppy/DramaLlama.jpg
- Darth_tater, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23i also find the asking for beer offensive. Digg.com makes a *lot* in advertising, and the sponsors at the beginning and end of every podcast should be enough to cover alex/kevin's flight and the $10-$20 of beer they go through and then some. Asking for people to donate beer, and going to the great lengths of setting up a website to do so, is quite offensive especially because i am already subjected to adds on digg.com and adds in their podcasts.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -14/+31I don't care 5 bucks a day, five bucks a month or even 5 ***** dollars a year to watch them drink beer and talk bout "getting" pilot license and how nice Kevin's piece of ***** apple laptop is, I can goto a ***** bar and spend that 5 bucks on a pitcher of beer and talk that same ***** that they been doing in the last couple episodes of BS.
Digg me down or up i don't give a ***** :). - Rojahon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Right, but even the most restrictive CC license allows for distribution.
- omarciddo, on 10/11/2007, -9/+25Dude. ***** relax. Diggnation is the only show that you had to be a paid member for (you said so yourself). So if people are getting diggnation early, where the ***** are they supposed to get their funds from? You think its a joke they need a beer fund? They can't ***** afford it because not enough people are members! I myself don't pay 5 bucks a month (which is nothing) because I don't mind waiting till Tuesday. Whether you like it or not Revison3 shows are not free to produce, they cost money just like everything else in this world. Tell you what, now that you're at it, I challenge you to a full Kevin Rose boycott. That means no more digg for you until Kevin Rose leaves digg, you up for it? Put up or shut up. Whether you take the challenge or not, I look forward to September when your whiny ass is back in school (you gave yourself away with the last caps-lock rant).
- coollettuce, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15I download movies before they are on DVD, sure I could pay and watch it it the theaters, but honestly it's more convenient to download them early. How many diggers downloaded SiCKO? I love diggnation and me being impatient, I'd rather just download them early. My understanding was that the diggdown guy was letting Rev3 know how many people downloaded. I really just don't understand some things that Rev3 does, do they really expect fans to wait the extra days? And also wtf is up with beersfordiggnation.com? They make $10k or more per sponsor, per episode, I think they can afford a six pack.
The way I see this going is two ways; either they start releasing the shows on the same date for everyone, just like they do with every other Rev3 show, or people will continue to get them early from another source. I for now, will be doing the latter. - streamfire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Sounds like the tea pot is calling the kettle black.. how nice... I hope someone takes a queue from this and starts posting the new episodes on bit torrent and usenet....
- steevo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Creative Commons is still a Copyright, its just it allows you to easily define what you allow people to do with your content
- MWeather, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17And how was diggdown violating the license?
- rudy23, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14If you send me beer i can send you videos me getting drunk.
- worldsbestgamer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Why did it take so many comments for someone to point this out.
- madmac66, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15in their shoes is a couple of hackers and slackers cum good. in their shoes is a couple of dudes who confess to stealing other entities copyrighted material. the comment was : “Sorry, but I have a problem with anyone from Rev3 saying that we shouldn't download it early from [site name removed] when there are probably 10 or more episodes of Alex and Kevin clearly stating they have downloaded and do download stuff illegally..."
This is the root point of this argument. Yes, they are within their rights to protect their product. Yes they are in business and business is not cheap, and they need to make money. All of those points apply to all the music, games, movies that K & A have hacked and stolen too.
If R3 is the party most up in arms about this issue, then they need to seperate themselves from K & A, and the thoughts and opinions on Diggnation. Maybe force them to censor themselves regarding their illegal downloading habits. It looks bad for the parent company to contradict the behavior of its prime spokes-people. - jcounterman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15I agree that a large chunk of the Digg community may come to Kevin's defense just because he is Kevin.
I, however, don't really care one way or another about Kevin; I've always seen a distinction between downloading content and sharing content. Preventing others from distributing your content is "ok" with me, but going after individuals is when my skin begins to crawl. - Scheissen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12how about you do some ***** research. Striker changed the name. He is threatened with a $200,000 lawsuit to stop hosting the videos.
- Rojahon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12You very well may be right colinwilson, but if they want to do that they shouldn't release their content under CC.
- Yibn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13They wouldn't like that at all. One of the other main reasons they are doing this is because Striker isn't reporting back the shows viewer statistics from DIggdown which he used to. So using bittorrent would be even worse, because Striker said he was working on making a better algorithm for Diggdown, and bittorrent gathers no such information. I mean the guys at Rev3 aren't going to look at torrent downloads and seeders and waste their time figuring that ***** out.
- Yawgmoth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11It shouldn't be illegal though, they release diggnation under a creative commons license. Even the most strict creative commons license allows people to non commercially distribute their work
- xaerius, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Revision3 is a separate legal entity by law. The legal team is not directly protecting Kevin Rose, it is protecting Revision3 and its copyrights. Kevin Rose may personally pirate, but he does not do it through Revision3.
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