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- cambrown99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+59You're just saying that because you wear a delicious pizza-flavored hat
- mookiemookie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25You can debate the definition of "ironic" all day long, but the definition of "loser" is clear: someone who writes a diatribe on the nuances of the lyrics of an irrelevant pop song from 11 years ago.
- spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26If this was intentional I'll eat my hat.
She just did what all songwriters seem to do at the minute, write something that sounds clever but is actually completely meaningless. - knupso, on 10/11/2007, -8/+27Who cares the song was lame anyways.
- jobenly, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26"Alanis may not be so dumb after all. If you discount the argument that some of her examples qualify as 'cosmic irony' (which I think is rather weak), the song 'Ironic' is devoid of irony in any of the illustrations she offers. That, in and of itself, is ironic, and justifies the entire song from an artistic standpoint. Ms. Morissette may have been playing a wonderfully perverse joke on all of us on another level."
I wouldn't call it "a wonderfully perverse joke on all of us." The joke seems pretty obvious to me. I mean, it would be pretty hard to list dozens of things that you consider ironic and get them all wrong. Of course it was deliberate! And isn't this song over 10 years old? Why are we just now figuring this out?
I guess if you are just now getting the song, the joke is on you... and don't tell anybody, but I heard that Green Day's song "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)" was actually a sarcastic breakup song. - meshman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19"A traffic jam when you're already late? That's not irony. Irony would be if you were a traffic control specialist, stuck in a traffic jam on your way to a traffic control convention to explain how your ideas of traffic control have been successful. Now that's irony."
- bigdsinferno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16welcome to 1996.
- Lancer383, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20I HATE discussions on the definition of irony.
I'm out of college -- I don't need to hear these debates anymore. - DeskFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17The day I start analyzing Alanis Morissette song lyrics will be the day I know I failed at life.
- rstarr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Thank you for letting us know who you are JF.
The encrypted moniker iamjf user name had been bugging me for sometime. - crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I love how the writer quotes and congratulates himself to his own applause and self-masturbation. Buried as lame.
- LucasKane, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Weird Al's video spoof of this was great
- pmuse, on 10/11/2007, -3/+131995 called, they want their subject of conversation back.
- Seruphim, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Why does a story with Alanis Morissette in the title have 113 diggs?
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Nice save, horse face.
- heidavey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4'As the plane crashed down he said "Well isn't this nice".'
That is actually irony. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"It's like being raped, when you were just raped!" "...like being shot in the face, when your face has just been maced."
- wiihuck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4is there an echo in here?
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"I HATE discussions on the definition of irony."
I think one of the reasons people are so passionate about preserving the proper definition of irony is because it is a very powerful form of humour. Sarcasm is often used in it's place but there's a certain nihilistic 'aw *****' with sarcasm. Good irony is very subversive. It uses the language of controlling institutions against itself. And yes I am aware that this is a rather 'academic' reason to like irony.
Really good, dry irony usually points out the absolute absurdity of a situation, however it requires you do see the absurdity yourself, and is often subtle enough that it can be taken serious conversation without this understanding.
In an age of hyperbolic fears of terror, and increasing limitations on civil liberties etc, understanding irony is actually important, not just an issue of rhetoric. - explnx, on 04/27/2009, -0/+3All the people who say she doesn't understand irony may be wrong. Isn't it ironic?
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@Lancer, but yet you did read this and even commented. I find that ironic.
- rajaal1977, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This observation was made 10 yrs. ago. What the hell people? Who hasn't heard stand-ups mock Alanis Morissette about this? If people would like to understand irony, please, just use the damn Wikipedia.
- donte, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Must be a slow news day... I seem to have slipped, fallen and landed a decade ago back when people gave a crap about this topic.
- highdef, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2These rewordings would make them actually ironic:
http://digg.com/music/Additional_Details_that_Render_Alanis_Morissette_s_Ironic_Actually_Ironic - unloud, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Honestly, do you think anyone would write a song named "ironic" without knowing what irony is? I'm with Alanis on this one.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'll tell you why this song isn't a 'joke' on the listener. The verse about the play-it-safe guy, never taking a flight, and then it crashing...that's irony. So she obviously knew something about the subject, she just didn't know how to use it.
You also have idiots like Avril Lavigne who praise these lyrics (look in the iTunes celebrity playlist). - allenu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2She'll always just be "Alanis" in my book.
- SamKellett, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It's not a metaphor, it's Futurama!
- techsyslonghorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING... Don't you think?
- underthelinux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2 * Tragic (or dramatic) irony occurs when a character on stage or in a story is ignorant, but the audience watching knows his or her eventual fate, as in Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet.
* Socratic irony takes place when someone (classically a teacher) pretends to be foolish or ignorant, to expose the ignorance of another (and the teaching-audience, but not the student-victim, realizes the teacher's plot).
* Cosmic irony is a sharp incongruity between our expectation of an outcome and what actually occurs.
Doesn't alanis just fall into Cosmic Irony in almost each scenario? Rain on your wedding day? Sure tragic, but also cosmically ironic. - mindcrime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1[quote]Must be a slow news day... I seem to have slipped, fallen and landed a decade ago back when people gave a crap about this topic.[/quote]
There was a time when people gave a crap about Alanis Morissette?!?!!
I must have slept through that day... - underthelinux, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2oh but it IS irony. Socratic Irony, to be precise.
- alecks, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3isn't that metaphore?
- SamKellett, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh, yeah, cos she's in the music industry she must be an idiot...
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4that's sarcasm, not irony, @rstarr.
- Jo9100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh, the irony!
- r00tus3r, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1FTW!
- ChuckIT, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1these things are not ironic they are just unfortunate
- dagr8tim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Buried on soo many different levels.
- FriedTurkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1alexforcefive - People only started using the word in that sense after the song was released :p
Even if it was true which it is not. Irony has a new meaning. How old are you? Irony has been used that way since I was born. - r00tus3r, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But 'ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife' IS ironic! So is a 'no smoking sign on your cigarette break'.
- crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Contact your humor coach asap. Demand a refund.
- alexforcefive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1People only started using the word in that sense after the song was released :p
- donte, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@mindcrime
To be fair, she didn't manage to sell 30 million copies of that album through consumer apathy. But the fact that I'm seeing this debate on the digg front page in 2007 does make me die a little on the inside. - rstarr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1NO.
It's a coincidence. - unibomber999, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6Actually, it would not be considered ironic for her to have misused irony in a song. That would just be called "stupid", or a bad joke, or as in the case of the song, simply unfortunate.
Unfortunately for the person writing the article, they also don't understand irony.
Song using irony incorrectly, whether intentionally or not, still does not equal irony. - chimaera2005, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't think people gave a crap back then, either.
- sunshinemonster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1you silly robot.
- BrianVillanueva, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The next article in my list of digg news when I read this was:
‘Prison Break’ star heads to slammer - http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=1002479
In a case of life imitating TV, Lane Garrison, who played inmate “Tweener” in FOX’s “Prison Break,” faces nearly seven years in jail after pleading guilty yesterday to charges stemming from a December car crash that killed one teenager and injured two others.
Is that ironic? - TheSak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@erohen
I hope you're being ironic. -
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