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- bizzywho, on 04/16/2009, -2/+21De-baptism?
Why should it even matter?
If you're an atheist, then you believe that you were just some sprinkled water on your head when you were a baby. Who cares?
Why go through the trouble of de-baptizing yourself? It's not like you'll "officially" not be a Christian or more of an atheist if you de-baptized yourself. - nesagwa, on 04/16/2009, -8/+18I wonder what kind of douchebag you have to be to hang something like that on your wall.
- Mightbiteyou, on 04/16/2009, -2/+11so take 2 rooms one has a guy screaming all day about pink bunnies on the ceiling and the other has a guy screaming all day that pink bunnies don't exist. Both are equality crazy and annoying.
- OUPablo, on 04/16/2009, -2/+10De-baptism is just another way people are looking for attention because they have too much time on their hands.
- MrInfallible, on 04/16/2009, -4/+11Absolutely Pointless.
- techdever, on 04/16/2009, -4/+10...and I should care because?
- westtexas357, on 04/16/2009, -1/+5that is odd that you can't find evidence of a man who even Jewish historians (like Josephus) documented.
- ohreilly, on 04/16/2009, -0/+4We've never been a very religious country. Most people state they are Christian on the census and other documentation (out of convenience, probably), but only go to church for a wedding or funeral.
- Kaegro, on 04/16/2009, -0/+3I think what ticked the atheists off is the whole " lets teach religion in schools and lets say that evolution and science isnt fact" thing. am I wrong? or am I partially right?
- chriskzoo, on 04/16/2009, -1/+4LOL, so people who don't beleive in "God" and were baptised as children now think a De-baptism is going to magically take it away? Isn't that like saying you had a bad luck spell cast on you as a child, but now you don't believe in magic, so you're going to have someone cast a good luck spell on you to take it away?
- NorrisOBE, on 04/16/2009, -5/+8Dude, this De-Baptism thing is *****. Even my atheist friends thinks it's *****.
And look at this way: Since there's like 100,000 de-baptised, which of them are becoming atheist? I'm pretty sure out of 100,000, 1/3 of them might join another religion like Budhhism, Islam or Baha'i. - squareears, on 04/16/2009, -1/+4yeah true. But isn't it like that everywhere?
- nesagwa, on 04/16/2009, -1/+4They sprinkled water on you, cry about it some more.
I grew up baptist drifted off and am not really christian anymore. You dont need a piece of paper giving you permission to not be christian anymore. And no, nobody really needs to even know that you arent christian or are christian. - acegi, on 04/16/2009, -1/+4I'm an Atheist myself but I wish it never becomes mainstream...
People without the intelligence to back up their claim makes a dangerous combination with Atheism. They'll do fine with blind faith. - inactive, on 04/16/2009, -1/+3And also, I'm kind of sick of the line between religion and politics being blurred.
God isn't real, keep the stupid thing out of my laws. - RattusRattus, on 04/16/2009, -1/+3Aw...but I like it when my sister's children tell me I'm part of satan's army and I'm going to hell because I don't believe in god. I get to correct them and tell them that according to the bible, atheists will be cast out like wandering stars, for whom it is reserved the blackness, the darkness, forever. Also a catchy Portishead song.
- westtexas357, on 04/16/2009, -4/+6You are not as clever as you imagine
- Novagenesis, on 04/16/2009, -3/+5Of course it's *****. It's the rising of SOME atheists pulling the same stupid publicity ***** that SOME religious people have historically been guilty of.
It's an irony of terms, but Atheists the last few years have really sacrificed the moral high ground. They get more forceful, more emotion-appeal, and more "in your face" about religion than ever before. I've gone from sympathizing with atheists, to finally giving in and acknowledging that they have been more of an obstacle to my attempts to truly be a "free thinker" than ever before.
Every religious friend I know just says "believe what you believe".
Every atheist friend I know just says "you're a moron to believe that there might be a god, and the world will be a better place without your kind". - LJU1492, on 04/16/2009, -2/+4If you want to get "de-baptisted", don't bother, the real thing didn't count ....
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2As an atheist, I don't see the point. On the other hand, if I were agnostic, I'd consider it. After all, if I thought God might be real - well, that still leaves the question of which one or ones? Well, since I really have no idea, it'd be best if I didn't have my eggs in any particular religious basket.
How do religious people figure out which religion is the right one, anyway? I mean, most seem to just go with whatever they were born into, but that doesn't make sense - the odds that you were born into the right religion are astronomically improbable, given the number of religions out there. And I really don't see how you can tell 'em apart anyway. - Loudpipe, on 04/16/2009, -1/+3This is to say nothing of whether baptism actually *is* important or not, but merely an observation:
Fascinating that even in renouncing their faith, people affirm it simply by acknowledging baptism's place of importance to them. This amounts to the same thing as a hypochondriac deciding they are sick and then setting out to catch the flu. Obviously they didn't really believe they were sick in the first place if they have to affirm it by catching the flu. The inverse is true for renouncing baptism. Obviously they must still believe it's of some importance if they have to renounce it. - HardSide, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2Romans have written about him a lot, mostly in dispute reports that he was causing a controversry in the temples and later was nailed to the cross with criminals. They even stated they should nail the temple leaders for being Jewish (yeh you read that right, Romans hated the Jews back in those days)
Greek writing? How about when they say a person named Jesus from Nazareth came to study with them and he had apostles with them when he came. Or when Jesus visisted some Greek shrine and talked with Greek civilians about whatever it was…
Honestly, if you hate the religion thats your choice as a human being, but no need to be spreading stupid bs and your "After confronting a few Church members with this new knowledge for lack of evidence" is down right the dumbest thing I ever read, I'm not a religious zealot nor I consider myself a Church follower, and I just shot down your whole post because it lacks any sense.
You really gonna source Jim Walker? That religious zealot, he claims he believes the church is wrong and everything, but why? The loser wants to start his own religion, he wanted to start another Scientology for ***** sakes, and you gonna put him as a source? Really? - Kaegro, on 04/16/2009, -1/+3no, he's MORE clever than he realizes. thats some funny stuff he said there, and NONE of it was "blasphemous". Your the man John.
- elfprince13, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2Read
a) Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict (it's little, and "tract"-y, but a good starting point)
b) C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity
c) Francis Collins' (as in head-of-the-human-genome-project Francis Collins) book The Language of God - dbhalla, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1nope it really isn't.
- Falldog, on 04/16/2009, -2/+3Everyone knows this is a stupid waste of time. It's just a lot of attention whores. Stop giving them the time of day if you think it's so silly.
- subliminalurge, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1That's more of an agnostic view than atheist.
- Whatasillyhat, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1A lot of people are pissed off that they have been deceived by the supposed leaders of justice and goodness. It's understandable that some people might want to vent, although in debate this is leads to a poor argument basis.
- SasquatchBill, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1Wait... is that a Watchmen jibe or did I miss something?
- bsmang, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1Holy cow. I'd like to get your DNA sequenced along with mine to compare and see where the big differences are... It could lead to miraculous discoveries.
- chadsexingtime, on 04/16/2009, -3/+4If you're a nonbeliever, why take any effort to 'de-baptize' yourself? You don't care about them, you don't go to church, you're not forced to give them money - it makes no sense
- number11, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1hehe, i wish it was
blue peter was a tv show for kids made by the BBC and they use to hand out these crappy badges if kids sent in ***** drawings or done something good like pick up litter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peter_badge - FlopinDonkFest, on 04/16/2009, -2/+3Not a douchebag at all if your parents had you bapitised as a child and it was not your decision. Put it next do your degree in *****.
- dbhalla, on 04/16/2009, -2/+3LOL that was a stupid comment
- SJZero, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1There's a third group you're ignoring: The group that didn't tell you their religious affiliation.
Everyone assumes I'm a Christian, and because it's more convenient that way, I don't do anything to change that image. Why make life harder for a belief that really isn't that important at the end of the day anyway? I still pretend I'm a good person even though I go around wearing clothes stitched together by chinese kids. As long as I'm inescapably lying to myself about the nature of the world because it's more convenient to think I deserve my lifestyle rather than it being a fluke of geography, why should I knock down their lying to themselves about the nature of the world because it's nice to think there's a God? - Khast, on 04/16/2009, -2/+3I took many baths as a child....did this count?
Obviously, if you have to go through de-baptism you believe something happened, if you stop believing then I guess nothing happened, and you just got splashed by water. (or submerged depending on the religious sect.) - subliminalurge, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1"How do religious people figure out which religion is the right one, anyway?"
Why does there have to be a "right one"? Perhaps they're simply different roads to the same destination.... - MrInfallible, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1That is a perfect summary of it.
Might as well denounce Ra the sun god for what it worth. - bsmang, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1I'm afraid I actually am definitely an atheist. A vehement one, even. Without real evidence of any sort, no amount of logic be it circular, square, spaghetti-shaped or otherwise can sway me to believe in stuff outside the real world. And the mere fact that we exist and have the ability to ponder these things is simply not evidence any more than the bible is evidence. I'm very certain. But if some evidence does show up tomorrow, then I can change my mind. Until then I am confident enough to bet my life it won't. (And that's really saying something too, because as an atheist I fully believe that I have only but one short, precious life to live.)
- Kaegro, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1lol, thats funny stuff.
I like the analogy and and green thumbs up! - bsmang, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1I didn't actually read foxifiednazi's comment as you must have missed the "reply" link - but that's OK - like you said, you're new around here and I'd guess you have already discovered/realized that error as it's a common one for newbies...
Anyway, I wouldn't debate the existence of Jesus as a man who probably did live 2000 years ago. And my only argument against Christianity is the same as that against mostly all religions - the notion that it's based on supreme / supernatural / magical / divine / whatever-you-want-to-call-them people and events. So yeah, maybe Jesus did exist, but anything that would imply that Jesus was any more than a human being is something for which there simply is no evidence whatsoever. Many people will cite the bible as evidence for some reason, but I just don't see it.
My argument is simply that I'm an atheist because there is no evidence to support the existence of "God" and therefore I don't believe in Him or that He needs me to love him or to devote my Sunday mornings to him. (Keep in mind I was raised Catholic and only decided it was BS after I finally passed puberty some 25 or so years ago.)
Anyway, I would never tell you that God absolutely does not or cannot exist. That's not even really "knowable" at all by us - at least not at this point in time. But if you try to tell me not only that you know God does exist but also that you happen to actually know what He thinks and what He wants us to think and do, then I can't help but to wonder what could be wrong to make you think that without Him actually sending us all certified mail directly from Heaven. - Loadedforbear, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1sorry forgot the /s tag...
- Loadedforbear, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1I'm an Atheist, I was also baptised Catholic. Seeing as I nor any one else can prove god does exist and am not silly enough to try to prove a negitive; I refer to it as my insurance policy.
- Novagenesis, on 04/17/2009, -0/+1@Kaegro
Maybe, but considering most non-atheists aren't in that group and are getting the general flak as bad as the nutjobs, I have to say it's going too far. - inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1May the lord Xenu forgive you, my son.
- HardSide, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1.
- Mightbiteyou, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1crap, you are right, now I have to go get de-de-baptisted.
- Corinthos, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1Thats what its like for my catholic friends. Weddings, funerals, and occasionally a holiday.
- bsmang, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1Forgive me. It was only intended as a little (very little) joke to indicate that you appear to be very extremely different from myself in that you are a "heavy believer" and I am not.
I have heard many arguments and have looked at all of the evidence. I (as do most, I suppose) generally like to think that I'm at least fairly handy with the use of my brain, and yet I still fail miserably to see what could be so persuasive to a believer, and with the assumption that believers are NOT inherently stupid, I can imagine that there might just be some sort of actual difference between a believer like yourself and a non-believer like me. It would be interesting to see. - apologist1, on 04/16/2009, -0/+0I'm guessing that the DNA dissimilarities would be nominal. You seem to lean heavily on the "nature" side of the "nature versus nurture" debate concerning why people are the way they are. I would think that mental capacity and DNA predisposition would have almost no baring on whether a person believes God exists as is demonstrated by the great scientists throughout history who were neither overwhelmingly Theistic nor Atheistic. Such greats as Newton, Einstein, and one of the creators of the MRI (whose name escapes me) were blatantly Theistic and Hawking being a notable Atheist. Therefore, I would have to lean more toward "nurture" as the major difference and personal presupposition to be the largest of the differences (i.e. starting assumptions). Everyone must assume something to get started.
As to "looked at all of the evidence", I doubt that very much. There isn't enough time for a single person to have looked at ALL the evidence. I'll assume you meant "a lot" or even "some" evidence. Very well. Concerning my comments, what evidence have you seen that contradicts the existence of Jesus? Or perhaps, you meant evidence concerning Christianity in general? My comments were mostly about what "foxifiednazi" had stated, which was that there was no evidence that Jesus even existed, but if you want, we can also talk about the validity of Christianity in general. Please, start with one. Preferably what you consider is the best argument against either Jesus' existence or Christianity. -
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