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- gn0stik, on 11/08/2007, -19/+200Not sure what they did wrong. If the lady didn't want to accept it all she had to do was say "we only accept legal tender". Last I heard silver was still a precious metal. And he hasn't gotten his silver back, so.... what's the deal? Also, people have been printing their own ingots and accepting it as barter money for a long time in the US. This is nothing new. It used to be perfectly legal, as long as the precious metal was worth what it was being traded for. If there's a law barring this, it's news to me.
On the other side of the argument, you can't sue the federal govt as a whole. There is simply no mechanism for that. However you can sue an organization within the govt. The US Mint is just blowing smoke however, which is proof that this is legal. If it was really a crime, they'd be dealing with the secret service, not US Mint Lawyers.
To clarify, this is not counterfeiting, it's totally legal, as long as the store agrees. - Nogger, on 10/23/2007, -19/+132They got arrested and did not get tasered in the process? Now that is good news for America!
- HolyJuan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+106Ha! I tried to buy Liberty Dollars online and they only accept credit cards.
- picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -16/+107Note to self: Don't wear an empty holster when trying to pay for food with money you invented. It freaks people out and the police don't like it.
- JohnFive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+88The whole principle and function of money has switched. Back in the day free coinage of gold and silver coins increased the money supply as a wealth to the people. Now, it is loaned into circulation as debt against future production, not exchanged into circulation as production performed. Money has been switched from an evidence of wealth to an evidence of debt. There is a world of difference between, I own and I owe.
- wittyname, on 10/23/2007, -9/+69Who wants money with actual value anyways?
- DiscoLando, on 10/10/2007, -4/+62Sadly, 98% of the United States population has no idea what you just said.
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -7/+55Take THAT Liberty!
- polyGone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+42I'll take your diamond dollars, man.
- inactive, on 10/23/2007, -14/+54A single tear falls from Ron Paul's eye
- adgreene, on 10/10/2007, -2/+37"If I printed a fake dollar on a slab of diamond, it would still be a fake dollar." right, but it's a real diamond (that has a value in dollars) that you should be able to exchange your diamond for goods or services as long as the other party agrees to it.
- spawnfree, on 10/10/2007, -5/+39Give this person a medal.
You have, in 3 sentences, pointed out the con that we are all now totally trapped in.
Any way out of the con, such as these liberty dollars, is being heavily stepped on. - MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -7/+40I find it quite ironic that the Liberty Dollar, which is backed by true silver and exchangeable for this silver, is somehow illegal yet the "greenback" which hasn't been backed by either gold or silver for many years, is the legal tender.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30First mistake is using "liberty dollars" BEFORE the collapse of the dollar...
Silly patriots. - fritzinator, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34Idea. If the restaurant would have accepted the liberty dollar as a whole for payment, that is a straight across exchange with no change involved, then the couple would have been on the short end of the deal. Hell I would have taken $20 in silver for a $15 meal.
- aliengoods, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30It's not masquerading as US Treasury money, hence it isn't counterfeit. Having a numerical amount attached to it isn't illegal either. A 1 ounce coin may be stamped 5, and a 2 ounce coin may be stamped 10. It's not saying the exchange rate for 2 oz of silver is $10 US. That's just a numerical denomination they've decided on. The point of liberty dollars is they actually have REAL value as a precious metal, where a US dollar is just PAPER (at least, since we went off the gold standard).
- ph3rny, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25For those wondering exactly what these are (I didn't see a picture in the article):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar - desqjockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24Wanna buy a liberty credit card?
- NSResponder, on 11/08/2007, -7/+31The US Mint 1) is wrong, and 2) is not a law enforcement agency.
It's illegal to counterfeit currency. It's not illegal to mint your own coinage, as long as it can't reasonably be mistaken for US currency.
-jcr - 4degrees, on 10/10/2007, -6/+27reply button: know it, use it, love it.
- theworldisflat, on 10/10/2007, -9/+30I like this bit from the article "Kranish also was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. He had a .45 caliber handgun in a CD case in his car on May 6, and he was wearing an empty holster, according to the complaint." So... tell me how someone is arrested for carrying a concealed weapon when all he had was an empty holster?
- fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23See, that "as long as the other party agrees to it" is the important part. If I eat a whole meal and at the end only have pockets full of diamonds to pay, unless the restaurant agrees to trade, I'm stealing food.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23Andrew Jackson!
- aliengoods, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21If the restaurant doesn't accept that form of currency, and you refuse to pay with another, then you've committed a crime. If I go into a store and try to pay with a credit card, and they don't accept it, I pay with cash. Same thing.
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21It is illegal in most places to carry a weapon around in your car that's not in plain sight. Kind of dumb if you ask me since that's just an invitation for a thief.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+29you could be if you went to a restaurant, ate, and tried to pay using a form of currency that wasn't accepted there.
- foofiejnooner, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21ok so does this mean that if you try to use disney dollars at disney you're breaking the law?? or if you try to spend a euro in america its illegal? if i tried to pay with my shoe would that be illegal?
- Otto, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21No, it's not "counterfeit money". It's just money.
It is not illegal to issue your own currency. If you can get people to take it, then that's fine and dandy.
What may be illegal is misrepresentation. If you gave it to somebody who was expecting a different form of currency without telling them, then it could be fraud, but it's definitely not counterfeiting. - hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Have you read the PATRIOT ACT or any of the recent fiat laws that have been passed? Bush has declared bartering a terrorist act and illegal. Because Osama Bin Boogey Man can use it to set up a terror network. Yes, its *****. And bush can declare your mom a WMD, its *****. But u know what, those dumb cops will do as he says, the dumb feds will inforce these fiat laws. The lw is the man with a badge and a gun. A man without a weapon is a slave. We have a criminal gang runniing the govt and forcing us to use their money.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Not a dollar apparently.
- gheide, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18If the store attendant accepted them in "trade", which is what they apparently did by not giving them back, then there is nothing illegal about what these two did. Confiscating personal items and illegally arresting somebody is more against the law than the attempt to barter. Unbelievable that we've lost all common sense. Did they eat the meal? If not, then no crime has been committed. The establishment has the right to refuse any service - and that's what they are ultimately providing - is a service. Did this couple reach over the counter and steal the food? NO. At which point did the couple incur the debt that was to be paid? If I had gone up and attempted to pay with monopoly money, is that illegal? Would I be arrested? Anybody with any common sense would just refuse service, or ask for another form of payment, and not waste taxpayers money like this. Police are there to PROTECT & SERVE. Was anybody being harmed physically, financially or personally in this attempt to barter? Wake up people.
- IIIKrazyKiDDIII, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17The Bankers got us by the balls and we don't even realize it.
- SpaceParanoids, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15I work for the US mint. So I got a kick out of your reply. :)
The United States Mint is a government entity within the Department of the Treasury, under the auspices of the US Treasurer (a public apointee). The mint is self-funded, with any surplus profit going directly into the general fund. It's about as far from a private company as you can get. - Ebacherville, on 11/08/2007, -10/+25The libery dollar is as legal as that check you get paid every few weeks from work, the coins are actualy made from precious metals.. The Feds don't whant there monopoly drying up..There was no counterfiting going on here counterfiting is producing replicas if Federal Reserve Notes not using a alternative currency..
If it were illegal to use alternative currency you could not tradeor barter anything.. All comerce is is trading one thing of value for another.. I can trade your PSP and a few games for My Itouch Ipod, bath arties agree there of equil value and all is good.. if both parties agree a $20 libberty dollar eis worth $20 in god and services then the dealis done if the cleark didnt agree then she should not have taken the trade..
The liberty dollar is 100% legal. - mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -18/+33I had the same thing happen to me: I tried to buy a skateboard with some shiny beads, a coon-skin hat and a deed for Louisiana but they weren't having it. Fascists.
- Ebacherville, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Counterfiting is making fake Federal Reserve Notes, not using a diffrent form of currency!
- TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15I have news for you. I think you're confusing the US Mint with the Federal Reserve. The US Mint has been an office within the Department of Treasury since the Coinage Act of 1873. It was never a private company since its establishment in 1792.
- mtwolf, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16it's not counterfeit....
- humperdeath, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15or, a liberty Credit card stamped on a slab of diamond
- nodonoug, on 10/10/2007, -9/+23No, but stamping an arbitrary dollar value on it is illegal. It should be stamped with its weight and purity.
- Ahnteis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14No, but I wouldn't have you arrested unless you tried to force the deal on me.
- eryximachus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15where it will be useless
- nodonoug, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Right, but his argument is that stamping a dollar value on the diamond is illegal, since market values fluctuate. What you should stamp on the silver/gold/diamond is the purity and weight, so that all parties understand what is being exchanged.
- jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15How frequently do you need car insurance? How often do you pay for it?
- eryximachus, on 10/10/2007, -8/+20So, possessing gold canadian dollars is a crime? It doesn't say 20 US Dollars, it says $20. It doesn't say legal tender of the United States. It is a number.
- mrjofo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Yeah, they avoided it by saying "Don't taze me bro!"
- veriix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Looks like the liberty dollar is accepted as much as the discover card.
- dunderballer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Except that they did try to trade the coin for the meal = intent
- moofer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14So, using a dollar called "Liberty" can cause one to lose one's "liberty" - that's the most awesome thing ever.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Well for one i would be glad to take it from you as an alternate to payments.
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