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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+96Why is this news? Were people expecting the co-pilot to go "OH ***** NOW WHAT DO I DO? *PUSHES RANDOM BUTTONS*"
He's called a co-PILOT for a reason. - Brewno, on 10/12/2007, -7/+93Early reports indicate that snakes were involved.
- habu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+65Oh come on... they should have keep flying to the destination with a dead pilot? They should not have landed to see if he was able to be saved? Not to be a rules are rules but the FAA does require a pilot and co-pilot...
- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+62Did the co-pilot star in a late 90's Nickelodeon show and learn flight maneuvers through his PS2?
- floridiot2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53OR VENOMOUS SNAKE BITE
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47"NOBODY ELSE DIED!!!"
So a co-pilot, who is trained and capable of flying the plane, was able to land it??? UNBELIEVABLE!!! - ptrcd003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40Duh?
- topherb91, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35never want to fly in your plane after a comment like that
- steven401, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28That means he wasn't stabbed, natural causes can mean liver failure or something.
- AgentMull, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Mad props to phisquare for the captain obvious impression.
- blankman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Why is the submitter so surprised that the co-pilot was able to take over and land the plane? That's the entire point of a co-pilot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21@SkepticJoker
You Sir, are a retard. - ATLBeer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Can a digg admin / mod just go ahead and ban stupidppl already?
Same spam 9/11 conspiracy link in a huge number of stories
http://digg.com/users/stupidppl/news/commented - tariqabjotu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"This is your co-pilot speaking. Your pilot is dead."
Yeah... that might not have gone very well. - brettmeister, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I'M USING CAPS BECAUSE I'M YELLING REALLY LOUD
- floridiot2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I have trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE.
- Lokix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I don't see why this is a huge deal. The co-pilot is prefectly capable of making a landing, they are pilots, but the pilot has seniority over the co-pilot. I understand the emergency landing and all but why make a huge deal of the co-pilot landing the plane?
@SkepticJoker
Yes, the FAA has much different regulations for the larger passenger jets, and a co-pilot is required. - m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Wait, why is the fact that no one else died so surprising?
- ShadoFlameX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Did he eat the chicken or the fish?
- ShadoFlameX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
- tariqabjotu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Precisely, SkepticJoker. In fact, I've seen paper airplanes that didn't even have pilots.
- piesforyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Or scythe.
- AgentMull, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Surely you can't be serious.
- deuceswilde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Not only is the co-pilot, surprisingly, able to fly, the plane is more than capable of landing itself, commercial airliners highly advanced autopilots that could take off, fly and land with just minor oversight form the pilot.
- rabidg00se, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@cjmemay
Spoiler alert....
In Snakes on a Plane ( http://imdb.com/title/tt0417148/ ), Keenan Thompson from All That and Keenan and Kel ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0860380/ http://imdb.com/name/nm0860380/ ) landed the plane based entirely on his experience with a PS2 flight sim. - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I once flew via American Airlines, and we had this Australian pilot that I dubbed "Captain TMI." We were sitting on the tarmac, listening to something in the back of the plane rev up and rev down, over and over. After about ten minutes of this, Captain TMI came on the loudspeaker and told us that some system-or-other that kept the engines going wasn't working, but don't fret, because he thought the secondary system could get us from San Diego to Kansas City without any problems.
Most of those passengers polled in my immediate vicinity would have much rather not known that part of the plane was broken, and we were going to take off anyway, no matter how safe it was to do so. - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Good thing somebody invented the co-pilot, huh?
- Coestar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@ATLBeer
You could try clicking that little "block user" icon... - icealchemist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They are really called First Officers, not Co-Pilots.
- b612, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6you sir are a dumbass, what happens if they keep flying and the co-pilot dies, thats why they ave two, and ya, why is this a surprise. Its not like some passenger landed landed the thing.
- Hoov, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I do not feel enlightened.
- Trebis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Correct me if I'm wrong, but co-pilots are always certified to fly the plane they are co-piloting. This isn't that big of a deal--I know 2 airline pilots that say the plane can pretty much fly and land itself if needed.
- Johnagain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There are significant rules regarding 1) Transport of bodies 2) Flying a passenger aircraft with only 1 pilot. Besides that, It would probably start to stink in the cockpit... I would have set it down if I were the co-pilot, just for some fresh air. (According to Southpark, dead people crap themselves when they get dead. - and I believe that it is true) Emergency landing? Per FAA interpretation, any unscheduled landing that requires priority on the runway is an emergency landing. The co-pilot followed the prodcedures that are inplace for just such an event. Well done, right seat!
All of you ragging on the co, or the airline, can just shut the hell up, get off the net and go back to watching your Jerry Springer.
-- End Rant - cjmemay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Did the co-pilot star in a late 90's Nickelodeon show and learn flight maneuvers through his PS2?"
I hate to be a complete tard, but I dont get the reference. Can someone explain please?
Sorry. - guyinjapan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"NOBODY ELSE DIED!!!"
OMG IT'S A MIRACLE!
Uh... this is why they have two pilots on every plane. Why is this on Digg? - FlyFastLiveSlow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@SkepticJoker
Your statement is incorrect. I'd recommend you start reading the FAR's (Federal Aviation Regulations) before you comment on something like this. Also, best of luck in your pilot training!
The co-pilot of this flight of CO1838 was another Captain; equipment was a Boeing 757-300.
To quote a fellow pilot, who goes by the name of Pilotadyin: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/profile.main?username=Pilotaydin :
"ok clean up time....
first off, if it was this Captain's time to go, so be it, and i hope he didn't suffer.
Now for the aviation part. Most of you on here don't fly, so we need to clear some stuff up. Yes our aircraft are multi crew, BUT when we are landing, the plane, only one person has their hands on the controls, the other person does callouts, gear and flaps....so essentially you are flying by yourself, you can easily put the gear and flaps down yourself, seeing as the a/c is on autopilot anyways....
The F/O and captain have different rolls on the ground, when in the air, it's pilot flying and pilot monitoring...
So what most of you say "good job FO" etc, has zero relevance, because we land the plane EXACTLY like that everyday.... THe psychological factor of not having someone next to you is about 1%, because when we are in the sim, we do engine fire at rotation, follwed by captain incapacitated, followed by icing, windshear and single engine landing at CAT 1 no autopilot at an airport with an evacuation...so after being trained for this, landing im VMC or at least normal weather both engines isn't much of a task... had the F/O been best friends or really close with the captain, then yeah id say a lil more stress....
as for incapacity training...you're supposed to belt the person down, mvoe the chair as far back as possible and lean it back, in cases where the person is still alive, it's good to have them go back into the cabin by carrying them, so that when we make a landing they can be easily sent away from the door and no further time is wasted on the ground.
At our airline, we have a F/A come and sit in the captain's seat and read you the checklist that you ask for...
SO i know intentions are well here, but it seems to me that from the reactions we are getting that some of you think the Captain shouts out orders and the F/O gets the controls now and then under supervision , those are the old days, we really need to show what the role in the cockpit is like NOW, because it's not too accurate in the eye of the public, or A.net"
From a Continental pilot who goes by the name of CALPilot: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/profile.main?username=CALPilot :
"From what I am hearing on our boards, it was not an F/O, it was another Captain giving IOE.
He just moved over to the left seat, while medical attention was given in the cockpit. Even if it had been an F/O, at CO all of the copilots are checked in the left seat tasks, (and type rated).
I do't understand what in the world people think f/o's do? Do you not know that they are pilots that fly the airplane too, do you not know that 50% of the time you fly on airliners they are the ones flying your airplane? "gee"
The passed Capt will be missed he was a nice man."
It's something that is trained for. RIP to the Capt.
"To fly west, my friend, is a flight we all must take for a final check." Author Unknown - chance2002iu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ tariqabjotu
Unless it went something like this:
Pilot: "Attention passengers, this is your pilot speaking. We are..."[gasping gurgling sounds followed by a thud]
Co-Pilot: "Oh my god. Jim? Are you alright? Say something? Don't die on my dammit."
They might've been informed that way...that would've really went well... - Easty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's a completely different type of flying, altogether!
- Mengoxon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@deuceswilde
Never heard of a commercial airline plane "more than capable of landing itself" - can you further elaborate about what kind of technology you are referring to?
They all come down in the end, I know... - diehard2k5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Or snakes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3he ate the fish
(classic "airplane" reference, of course) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just to correct some, might I say quite stupid, misconceptions about the whole Co-pilot thing. The co-pilot (or FO for First Officer) has the exact same requirements of knowledge of how fly the plane, aircraft systems etc. as the captain has. The difference between these two pilots is that the captain is, obviously, the more experienced on that particular aircraft type atleast, and therefore ranking highest in the flight crew. Usually the pilots take turns in who is flying. The one at the controls is the PF (pilot flying) and the other the PM (pilot monitoring). The PF is responsible for flying the plane and controlling the autopilot, while the PM monitors the actions of the PF, handles the radios, various paper work and reads the check-lists on demand by the PF. As pilots usually take turns in being the PF or PM, it means that both the captain and the co-pilot has some recent experience on how to fly the plane. Therefore it's not such a big deal the co-pilot landed the plane, put aside all the mental pressure of having a dead person in the cockpit and an increased workload due to no-one handling the radios and managing check lists.
What comes to the comments about not making it an emergency landing: if it wasn't reason enough to land quickly to try save the life of the captain, there is a distant chance of what killed the captain (a poisoning of some sort, perhaps?), could get the co-pilot as well. VERY unlikely, but still, possible. The safety of a commercial aircraft is based on redundance, which means there will always be a back-up system if something fails. This philosophy covers the flight crew as well. If theres only one source electricty left -> emergency landing. If theres only one engine left -> emergency landing. If theres only one pilot left -> emergency landing, and so on. Even if a commercial jet is able to autoland, there has to be someone there to program the autopilot to do so. I'm a 757 co-pilot myself, and during long trips, when theres time, I like to make step-by-step mental drills of what to in situations like this. - FearNLoathing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wonder if the passengers were informed about what was going on. I know that I couldn't picture myself being calm in that situation.
- FunkifyYourLife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There he is. Striker, you're coming in too fast.
- wto605, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@easty
[Chorus] "It's a completely different type of flying"
and don't call me Shirley
(okay... old movie references we're getting buried big time) - orangekid13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Alcohol poisoning?
- reed311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The submitter somehow made a person dieing, a funny situation by possibly the stupidest headline I've ever read on digg.
- CanadianAviator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's so frightening about dead people? It's about as non-threatening as they get.
- wto605, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In flight yes, taking/landing of it isn't possible by computer, you're crossing to many different air currents for a computer to be able to keep the plane on a safe ascent path. They do get a little gauge/screen with a "picture" of the plane and another of where it should be and they follow it.
- teamgwho, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1guess he had the fish dinner too.
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