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- lanzemurdok, on 10/10/2007, -13/+30hey guys .. i have been driving a hyundai for more than 3 years now with no problems.
***** all of you. - ubpsanity, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11The difference between oversteer and understeer is easy to explain:
Oversteer scares the passenger
Understeer scares the driver - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Well that's a ringing endorsement for me to buy a Hyundai.
- civperc, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13"I see it being much like the new eclipse." That's not exactly what we'd call a "good" thing...
- alpha94, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I live in Canada and drove my 350hp Cobra for 4 years in the winter. It's more like most people can't drive. Just get a set of winter tires and you're good to go. My shoes of choice were Pirelli SnowSport 210's. I had better traction that most 4WD's with those.
- Tyr7BE, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13For those of you who are like me and don't know dick about cars, what makes rear wheel drive better than front wheel drive? I know up here in Canada if you have rwd it's either your summer car, or you're a sucker. Get a car with rwd onto some ice and it's useless - you're better off walking.
- GDLaws, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9RWD is better for a few reasons. On Acceleration, the Weight shifts on to the Drive Wheels not off of them, allowing more power to the ground for faster acceleration. Also, because the drive wheels are not the steering wheels, you can power through turns more safely without the risk of torque Steer (thats the car pulling to one side while you turn). Also, because the front wheels arnt pulling the car, your less likely to break loose the front on a turn (FWD cars turn into big sleds real quick if you break the front loose on a turn)
- dangerousLEH, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I have a civic with over 250,000 miles on it... the only problem with it is the a/c doesnt work. I realize this is completely unrelated to the story, but any and all chances I have to gloat, I do.
- strum40, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Turning off your computer saves energy, maybe you should try it.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Who the hell goes to Chevrolet for a performance car anyway? Lame
- dieselstation, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Let's count the number of affordable (sub 25k) rwd sporty cars sold in the US. hmm..
1. Miata
2. Solstice
3. um.. hmmm.. um...
Yeah.. we NEED more cheap RWD models. Even if it's a Hyundai.. it's still better then nothing. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Hyundai is up there with Toyota, Honda, and Mazda in terms of reliability nowadays. For the price, and with the warranty, you can't go wrong with a Hyundai.
American cars don't compare, sadly. - sdcarter, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Do you know anything about cars? Bang for the buck Hyundai isn't a bad buy... especially the Tiburon. I'd put it on par with entry level American cars.
- sirgolf82, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Within the last few years, it seemed like Hyundai was playing the 'copycat' game. They would borrow design elements from other major manufacturers. The Sonata is a prime example. It looks like a mashup of an Accord, Camry, A4.
If this news is true, I think it shows that the manufacturer is well on its way to re-establishing itself, and introducing its own new design elements. - heartcoldfusion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6What? FWD doesn't offer better handling, RWD does, which is why it's on so many performance cars. It's actually stupid, as most people in the world who argue about FWD and RWD don't use their cars in an application where it matters. In day to day driving, it doesn't really make a difference. It's usually only when you're pushing your car to the limit where you can tell the difference - usually in cornering at high speeds. At that point, RWD tends to oversteer, that is, the rear of the car generally comes loose and the rear tires slide sideways, which is a desirable characteristic when racing (in small amounts, we're not talking Tokyo Drift here). Where RWD tends to oversteer, FWD tends to understeer, that is, the front tends to continue the turn, which is usually a bad thing. If you're taking a turn fast and you're trying to straighten the car out coming into a straightaway and the car keeps turning you into the grass or wall, you generally have problems.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6>American cars suck
fixed. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5best warranty in the business. I paid 17k for a 2007 Sonata GLS with the $500 options package, and that included tax, registration and extended warranty. Shop around for the right dealer, I went at the end of the month to one that focuses on volume and they sold it to me for 2k under invoice, plus I got a 2k rebate.
Here's the standard warranty. Still not a bad deal, but I got all of those extended to 10 yr 100,000 mile.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/global/warranty/warranty.aspx - asskicker32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I disagree. Reviews of the previous and current model Tiburon or "coupe" have been that it was a well performing sport coupe, comperable to Sentra SE-R SpecV or another "sport compact car".
I think this thing being RWD could be GREAT for Hyundai. This was the one complaint about the current generation. Many reviews lamented the fact that it wasnt RWD. The Tiburon could be a great car, with RWD. Its going to be the next drift king, a la Sylvia, AE86 et al.
Also, I remember wishing the previous generation would be AWD and Turbo like the Rally Cars... - IShouldBeWorkin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11as a former tiburon owner, i gotta say, unless hyundai does something about the suspension and thin tires, this is going to be more of a gimicky selling point than an actual performance upgrade.
- 883XL, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4you basically described the entire Asian auto indsutry
- Dichotomic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4you've got the logistics of understeer wrong... it's actually during the corner the car starts to not follow the line of the tire. ie it steers less than you want it to. The reason for this is the fact that the acceleration force and the cornering force are both handled by the front tires instead of spreading it out between all 4 like a RWD car does. If you live somewhere where there is snow(or you're willing to risk your life trying to turn at 90mph), you can test this by driving in the snow somewhere safe(think empty parking lot) and trying to turn; you'll notice either total unresponsiveness or a lag between input at the steering wheel and response at the wheels depending on how fast you're going.
- rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4FWD offers better handling? Thats a bold all-encompassing statement... You clearly haven't been driving the right RWD cars...
The truth of the matter is, you really need snow tires on your RWD car. And undoubtedly your average Hyundai driver won't spring for such. - spyraled, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5As the founder and previous owner of hyundaiperformance.com, well, at least 36,000 people up to last October when I sold the website.
- Magnj, on 10/10/2007, -6/+10This could potentially be awesome if it isn't fat and soft. I see it being much like the new eclipse.
- civperc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5lots of Hyundai drivers on Digg?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Have you actually researched it at all in the past couple years? Hyundai has improved a great deal.
- GRTWHT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Best explanation I've ever heard!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Yet a Ferrari Enzo is faster than the Corvette Z06. See my point? If Hyundai manages to match the performance of its rivals for cheaper, people will buy it just like the corvette.
- r3drum, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3so then, I am assuming that it will not have a defective clutch... now if only they would reimburse me and everyone else..
http://www.classcounsel.com/news/hyundai.html - Ihavethespeed, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5i've been driving a 1985 LTD Crown Victoria I bought for $500 for 3 years now and its run fine aside from gas mileage.
- r3drum, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4now if only I could get them to pay me for the ***** clutch replacement at 30k miles
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Except for all those pesky recalls with the Toyotas...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3The same could've once been said about Toyota, Nissan, and Honda. Now we have Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura.
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I was just behind a Civic that some kid who watched Fast and the Stupidass too many times. Not only did he make a lot of noise going nowhere, he almost over steered the thing off the road a couple of times. It's simple not a performance car no matter how you slice it.
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, FWD has little to do with weight distribution. My 1996 Geo Metro was FWD and had almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution. FWD doesn't move the engine to the back like in your example.
- 883XL, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2.....WOW and by "right mods" you mean a completely different engine i suppose. 40K worth of mods in an RSX and a stock C5 corvette can still outrun it. (Anyone remember that Car and Driver issue?)
- Datzneat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Looks like alot of people here missed the point. If you want a high performance vehicle you go out and buy a rwd one. They are making the first steps to making the tib a real sports car. I bet we see this car embraced by the drifting community fairly quickly.
- Metalmoon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4i got an accent 2 years ago this August... not a single problem yet. it had 44k miles on it, now it has 95k. it only cost me $4,000 and it runs nice and smooth too.
- AlmostaGeek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You will be in the shop with your "German" car paying out of your a$$ for parts, if it's actually made in Germany.
- civperc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5It's coming, just wait...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's a ***** civic. Anything made by Toyota or Honda should last that long with basic maintenance. Hyundai is getting there... and it doesn't cost so damn much, so it's the better buy if you are buying today IMO.
- monkeyrun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I thought they have 10 years warranty, which should cover any problems like that.
- alex4u2nv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why? Civics are sportsy, but they're not a push car. The car is too tall and round. Id rather they play copy cat with Lancer (EVO) and WRX.
- AJRiddle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Yes, for getting girls into your car.
I have a 2006 Tiburon GT, I'm going to be a senior in high school, and all of the girls love it, and want to ride in it. :-) - s0m3oNe, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4No need to be an ass about it... He clearly said he doesn't know much about cars. He was just asking a question which most people were able to answer helpfully, without bragging about their leet driving skills in their mommy's cars.
- ubpsanity, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I had an '87 GT that I drove through the winter. Had a good set of Blizzaks.. I live in Ontario
And I remember the one time coming up a fairly steep hill passing a 4runner that was having problems (during a massive snowstorm) - spyraled, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The Tiburon doesn't have a bad suspension. I know several people that have used them in the stock classes of SCCA AutoX events with some pretty good success.
Also, the 2003+ Tiburons came with 205 and 215 series tires, which are good sizes for a 140 or 170 horsepower FWD car. - bigtomrodney, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You can, but it becomes useless and undriveable. That's why manufacturers don't do it. Look at the new Astra OPC/VXR. 250bhp through the front and has terrible torque steer. My whole point is that when it comes to losing stability driving it's not FWD that has the bad reputation, it's RWD. Powersliding is not considered to be stability and you don't need 250bhp+ to start losing the backend.
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Kids can't usually afford new cars.
- uptown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Do a search for the Hyundai HCD-1 if you'd like to see the evolution of what eventually became the Tiburon. It was a concept cart that evolved over a number of years before it reached the consumer.
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